What do you think?

[little Buddy]

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What do you think my odds are with LECOM being clutch on Dec 1st lol? How about odds at landing a post-Dec with NYU, BU, or USC? I should really ask who is planning on declining their LECOM offers???

 

[AlbinoPolarBear]

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[NguyenDDS]

🙂

 

[little Buddy]

You will probably have some options come Dec. What is the deal with midwestern-il lol. Mid-Az shows you love but the little sister is basically telling us to get lost lol.

 

[YoHomey]

A lot of desperation. I guess if you're willing to spend $90K in your 4th yr to work as a dental assistant lol, it epitomizes the saying that beggars can't be choosers. Do you beer goggle at the local watering hole too?

 

[little Buddy]

I know beggars can't be choosers but I'll take the DMD anyway I can lol.

 

[YoHomey]

A millionaire once told me: "If you want to be a millionaire, you hang out with other millionaires. If you want to be a $50K aire, then you hang out with $50K aires." So do you want to become a big swinging D (dentist) affiliated with a reputable program, or a low-life chump dentist hanging out with the bafoons at LECOM?

I hope you LECOM hopefuls realize there's a decent chance it won't be accredited when you graduate in 2016, especially considering their 4th yr clinical issues.

 

[NguyenDDS]

I know beggars can't be choosers but I'll take the DMD anyway I can lol.

hehe you and me might be classmates! 😀

 

[little Buddy]

Pretty sure there isn't a single dental student who is a millionaire lol, jk. I understand and agree but it would be nice to learn on someone else's dime as an associate. I would take a pay cut to work with a dentist who owns multiple offices and just pick his brain for a few years. As for dental school, I am guessing there will be some smart individuals attending LECOM next fall too. I'm looking forward to being surrounded and learning from those who are light years smarter than me.

There are those who "Geek out" on dentistry and will make great associates and then there are those that will barely make it into D-school and dominate the business side, maybe.

 

[little Buddy]

hehe you and me might be classmates! 😀

We will get no respect from anyone lol. Even BU will be laughing at us...

 

[NguyenDDS]

I somewhat believe the school you attend doesn't matter in terms of how successful you are as a working dentist. Assuming LECOM is accredited and the student graduates with passing boards....... a graduate from a reputable dental school can suffer more than someone who graduates at LECOM because he or she may not be business minded and/or lack people skills and/or something else of concern.

 

[NguyenDDS]

We will get no respect from anyone lol. Even BU will be laughing at us...

lol as long as the patients respect us.....who cares what other schools and graduates think 😀 at least in my culture, very few patients care about what school you came from as long as you're doing a good job

 

[little Buddy]

or lack people skills and/or something else of concern.

You would think this would be screened out via the interview. My roomate just got back form his interview at Madison's med school told me about this super awkward kid who kept saying thanks after everything ppl said. Honestly, WTF? This is the kids third time interviewing there and I bet there might be a fourth.

Totally agree with you that where you go to school doesn't determine your success. Some schools might give you a nice head start but the only thing that really differs between a dentist who has been practicing 5 years vs 25t years is the size of the bank account.

 

[YoHomey]

I somewhat believe the school you attend doesn't matter in terms of how successful you are as a working dentist. Assuming LECOM is accredited and the student graduates with passing boards....... a graduate from a reputable dental school can suffer more than someone who graduates at LECOM because he or she may not be business minded and/or lack people skills and/or something else of concern.

Yes it matters. Who's going to hire a LECOM grad as an associate besides another LECOM grad?

I welcome you to ask your pre-med classmates about LECOM as you will quickly discover that it has the WORST reputation among D.O. schools. If LECOM can't even deliver a normal DO program after years of experience, are you really that confident that it will be able to deliver for its inaugural dental class, not to mention possessing a degree that's affiliated with such a crummy DO school lol?

Hey, I'm trying to be a good samaritan here. I'm trying to be the voice of reason. Hate to see my fellow SDNers make a bad $400K investment. Just look at the votes. They speak for themselves.

 

[NguyenDDS]

You would think this would be screened out via the interview. My roomate just got back form his interview at Madison's med school told me about this super awkward kid who kept saying thanks after everything ppl said. Honestly, WTF? This is the kids third time interviewing there and I bet there might be a fourth.

Totally agree with you that where you go to school doesn't determine your success. Some schools might give you a nice head start but the only thing that really differs between a dentist who has been practicing 5 years vs 25t years is the size of the bank account.

lol I feel bad for that man... he must have been nervous or something. I believe some people have the ability to put on a different face during interviews. Someone who is introverted and care less about people can put on a new face during interviews by just being a good actor.

Yes it matters. Who's going to hire a LECOM grad as an associate besides another LECOM grad?

I welcome you to ask your pre-med classmates about LECOM as you will quickly discover that it has the WORST reputation among D.O. schools. If LECOM can't even deliver a normal DO program after years of experience, are you really that confident that it will be able to deliver for its inaugural dental class, not to mention possessing a degree that's affiliated with such a crummy DO school lol?

Hey, I'm trying to be a good samaritan here. I'm trying to be the voice of reason. Hate to see my fellow SDNers make a bad $400K investment. Just look at the votes. They speak for themselves.

I guess I have to look more into it. 🙂

 

[little Buddy]

I mean the program has to start sometime. What about all the hate for Midwestern,Western, or Roseman? Pretty sure ppl are clawing to get into Midwestern these days even though it's expensive as h**l...I don't know much about their med or pharm programs other than the med school has good board scores and everyone seemed pretty pumped to be there. Of course it would be ideal to be in the third or fourth class to have some tangible product to critique but I'll take the leap of faith and trust the ADA with their decision.

Homey, was LECOM the bottom of the barrel school that rejected you by any chance? Just curious.

 

[YoHomey]

Homey, was LECOM the bottom of the barrel school that rejected you by any chance? Just curious.

No, c'mon bro, why would I apply to LECOM given its issues with their DO school knowing that I'm all about prestige and brand name on the degree. I got rejected to one school and I can assure you it wasn't a grenade.

 

[NguyenDDS]

I'm not advertising... but this is what I think.... 🙂
I think it'd be exciting to be part of an inaugural class. It'd be awesome to be the first to use their brand new equipment. The first to graduate from that program. And they let dental students do certain treatments that other schools don't even incorporate. The only cons the school may have is that they are not accredited right now because they are new and/or the PBL curriculum that not everyone can learn efficiently from. In almost every dental school, a few will end up failing out... leaving them thousands of dollars in debt and with no career. Since the class at LECOM will be the first to take boards and the first to graduate from that program, the staff/faculty will do anything in their power to help the students flourish and won't fail people out (you will feel a sense of security? they want you to succeed because you are their reputation).

 

[thesituationPhD]

It just seems as if they're trying to profit off the students, in many ways.

PBL- hire the minimum faculty
4th year off site rotations- get them off campus and still charge them
Lack of specialty departments- hire minimum faculty
No 'real' library

Reminds me of that scene in good will hunting. you wasted 400 thousand dollars on education you could have gotten in a 1.50 of late charges at the library.

Granted everything they are implementing is top notch in terms of facilities and equipment. I just got the feeling they are trying to issue degrees doing the minimum necessary for accreditation.

Will they fill their class this year, damn straight they will. your education is what you make of it.. takes some bravery to go into a program like LECOM but it can be good.. i think

 

[toothexplore]

You would think this would be screened out via the interview. My roomate just got back form his interview at Madison's med school told me about this super awkward kid who kept saying thanks after everything ppl said. Honestly, WTF? This is the kids third time interviewing there and I bet there might be a fourth.

lol i feel bad for those who work really hard and have a disadvantage such as speech impediment. would adcoms really overlook this?

 

[YoHomey]

I'm not advertising... but this is what I think.... 🙂
I think it'd be exciting to be part of an inaugural class. It'd be awesome to be the first to use their brand new equipment. The first to graduate from that program. And they let dental students do certain treatments that other schools don't even incorporate. The only cons the school may have is that they are not accredited right now because they are new and/or the PBL curriculum that not everyone can learn efficiently from. In almost every dental school, a few will end up failing out... leaving them thousands of dollars in debt and with no career. Since the class at LECOM will be the first to take boards and the first to graduate from that program, the staff/faculty will do anything in their power to help the students flourish and won't fail people out (you will feel a sense of security? they want you to succeed because you are their reputation).

Don't get fooled by a new sim clinic and typodonts and brand spanking new chairs. Your ultimate training will result from education in the classroom, depth/breadth and redundancy of clinical experience, and instruction by faculty during clinic.

I highly doubt a talented professor, especially one involved in cutting edge research, will come to LECOM to teach. Just like in the corporate world, where startup companies only attract the unemployed Fortune 500 rejects who need a darn job to pay their mortgage, the same will occur at LECOM. Add to this the PBL model meaning minimum faculty.

Since they don't have enough patients for clinic, you are forced to go off site to shadow a dentist which you can essentially do as a predent lol. I highly doubt a dentist will allow an unqualified LECOM student to go to work on his patients thereby risking a potential malpractice lawsuit. You will basically be a dental assistant which you can already do as a predent. So ******ed.

Thus, ultimately your training cannot be good and you'll have to do a GPR for sure. Note that not everyone can get accepted into a GPR program. You still have to apply and the selection will be based on GPA, reputation of school, ECs, etc. In fact, I worked at a clinic last year with 3 GPR residents. About 60 people applied for this program each year -- I know this because I was the one responsible for shredding all the apps after the review process. I peeked at everyone's resume, transcript, 2x2 photos, etc. And trust me there were a lot of impressive candidates from the Ivies and other reputable schools who applied, most of whom were rejected.

 

[NguyenDDS]

Don't get fooled by a new sim clinic and typodonts and brand spanking new chairs. Your ultimate training will result from education in the classroom, depth/breadth and redundancy of clinical experience, and instruction by faculty during clinic.

I highly doubt a talented professor, especially one involved in cutting edge research, will come to LECOM to teach. Just like in the corporate world, where startup companies only attract the unemployed Fortune 500 rejects who need a darn job to pay their mortgage, the same will occur at LECOM. Add to this the PBL model meaning minimum faculty.

Since they don't have enough patients for clinic, you are forced to go off site to shadow a dentist which you can essentially do as a predent lol. I highly doubt a dentist will allow an unqualified LECOM student to go to work on his patients thereby risking a potential malpractice lawsuit. You will basically be a dental assistant which you can already do as a predent. So ******ed.

Thus, ultimately your training cannot be good and you'll have to do a GPR for sure. Note that not everyone can get accepted into a GPR program. You still have to apply and the selection will be based on GPA, reputation of school, ECs, etc. In fact, I worked at a clinic last year with 3 GPR residents. About 60 people applied for this program each year -- I know this because I was the one responsible for shredding all the apps after the review process. I peeked at everyone's resume, transcript, 2x2 photos, etc. And trust me there were a lot of impressive candidates from the Ivies and other reputable schools who applied, most of whom were rejected.

Hmmm, Those are some great points 🙂 But let's play pretend.... So, it's July 2012 and the only school that accepted you was LECOM. You wouldn't go? At all? I have a feeling that those with iffy stats and few interviews will view this scenario differently.

 

[A6project]

Don't get fooled by a new sim clinic and typodonts and brand spanking new chairs. Your ultimate training will result from education in the classroom, depth/breadth and redundancy of clinical experience, and instruction by faculty during clinic.

I highly doubt a talented professor, especially one involved in cutting edge research, will come to LECOM to teach. Just like in the corporate world, where startup companies only attract the unemployed Fortune 500 rejects who need a darn job to pay their mortgage, the same will occur at LECOM. Add to this the PBL model meaning minimum faculty.

Since they don't have enough patients for clinic, you are forced to go off site to shadow a dentist which you can essentially do as a predent lol. I highly doubt a dentist will allow an unqualified LECOM student to go to work on his patients thereby risking a potential malpractice lawsuit. You will basically be a dental assistant which you can already do as a predent. So ******ed.

Thus, ultimately your training cannot be good and you'll have to do a GPR for sure. Note that not everyone can get accepted into a GPR program. You still have to apply and the selection will be based on GPA, reputation of school, ECs, etc. In fact, I worked at a clinic last year with 3 GPR residents. About 60 people applied for this program each year -- I know this because I was the one responsible for shredding all the apps after the review process. I peeked at everyone's resume, transcript, 2x2 photos, etc. And trust me there were a lot of impressive candidates from the Ivies and other reputable schools who applied, most of whom were rejected.

i gotta go to bed now if i wanna wake up early but I figure I just add my perspective.

I have been to 5 different school tour; Marquette, ASDOH, MWU-AZ, LECOM, Creighton, UoP. Actually 6.

I have seen and experienced what dental school trying to sell,what they do, what students get trained. And I have friends attending there except for Creighton and LECOM. I wouldn't call myself an expert but I'm pretty good at evaluating schools

1. 4th yr at LECOM does not do dental assistant jobs. That's for 1st year.
2. Based on the interview, it did impress me. faculty had been working at different schools over 30 yrs. They know how to run clinics.
3. 4th yr serving in the underprivileged area is what all the new school are doing now. External rotation/outreach programs.
It allows dental students to see far more challenging cases and help the dental school if they don't have a large number of patients.
FL has a lot of under-served areas. You will get a plenty of clinical experience.

4. One thing sucks about LECOM, you cannot get loans from Dept of Edu Yet. it is still under process. My concern is how they are gonna find adjunct professors who will teach 4th year??? And how much patient will 3rd yr get??? Bradenton is not a poor neighborhood.

But then they are experienced with dental school systems. so I am sure they got plans.

It will not be a bad school. Look at what people have said about ASDOH and MWU-AZ. See those school now. Better clinically than half of dental schools in the nation.

 

[little Buddy]

Don't get fooled by a new sim clinic and typodonts and brand spanking new chairs. Your ultimate training will result from education in the classroom, depth/breadth and redundancy of clinical experience, and instruction by faculty during clinic.

I highly doubt a talented professor, especially one involved in cutting edge research, will come to LECOM to teach. Just like in the corporate world, where startup companies only attract the unemployed Fortune 500 rejects who need a darn job to pay their mortgage, the same will occur at LECOM. Add to this the PBL model meaning minimum faculty.

Since they don't have enough patients for clinic, you are forced to go off site to shadow a dentist which you can essentially do as a predent lol. I highly doubt a dentist will allow an unqualified LECOM student to go to work on his patients thereby risking a potential malpractice lawsuit. You will basically be a dental assistant which you can already do as a predent. So ******ed.

Thus, ultimately your training cannot be good and you'll have to do a GPR for sure. Note that not everyone can get accepted into a GPR program. You still have to apply and the selection will be based on GPA, reputation of school, ECs, etc. In fact, I worked at a clinic last year with 3 GPR residents. About 60 people applied for this program each year -- I know this because I was the one responsible for shredding all the apps after the review process. I peeked at everyone's resume, transcript, 2x2 photos, etc. And trust me there were a lot of impressive candidates from the Ivies and other reputable schools who applied, most of whom were rejected.

Dude you pretty much just bashed Case western, Colorado and Minnesota with that statement since that's where these "reject" professors are coming from lol. So much of this statement is flawed lol. Since there has never been a dental school in the area before, there obviously wont be a shortage of patients. Although the school is new, the profs have and know how to run a top notch dental program.

 

[little Buddy]

i gotta go to bed now if i wanna wake up early but I figure I just add my perspective.

I have been to 5 different school tour; Marquette, ASDOH, MWU-AZ, LECOM, Creighton, UoP. Actually 6.

I have seen and experienced what dental school trying to sell,what they do, what students get trained. And I have friends attending there except for Creighton and LECOM. I wouldn't call myself an expert but I'm pretty good at evaluating schools

1. 4th yr at LECOM does not do dental assistant jobs. That's for 1st year.
2. Based on the interview, it did impress me. faculty had been working at different schools over 30 yrs. They know how to run clinics.
3. 4th yr serving in the underprivileged area is what all the new school are doing now. External rotation/outreach programs.
It allows dental students to see far more challenging cases and help the dental school if they don't have a large number of patients.
FL has a lot of under-served areas. You will get a plenty of clinical experience.

4. One thing sucks about LECOM, you cannot get loans from Dept of Edu Yet. it is still under process. My concern is how they are gonna find adjunct professors who will teach 4th year??? And how much patient will 3rd yr get??? Bradenton is not a poor neighborhood.

But then they are experienced with dental school systems. so I am sure they got plans.

It will not be a bad school. Look at what people have said about ASDOH and MWU-AZ. See those school now. Better clinically than half of dental schools in the nation.

Finally someone who utilizes facts instead of emotion...👍

 

[dantemac]

I had a look at ASDOH and Western this past week, new programs can definitely get things put together. Both schools had excellent clinical programs in the works and great rotations set up for 4th years.

And for anyone who scoffs at rotations, it is better than being at your dental school. At your dental school you'll see 2-3 patients a day, max. On rotations, you can see anywhere from 8-16 patients depending on how rigorous the need for care is.

And also, for anyone who thinks that patients just have to start showing up when the 3rd and 4th years enter clinic, that is not true. The faculty actually are the ones who open the clinic. For example, the Western faculty started seeing patients 9 months before the clinics opened for the students in order to get a patient base together.

I imagine LECOM will be just as respectable as any new school.

 

[NguyenDDS]

i gotta go to bed now if i wanna wake up early but I figure I just add my perspective.

I have been to 5 different school tour; Marquette, ASDOH, MWU-AZ, LECOM, Creighton, UoP. Actually 6.

I have seen and experienced what dental school trying to sell,what they do, what students get trained. And I have friends attending there except for Creighton and LECOM. I wouldn't call myself an expert but I'm pretty good at evaluating schools

1. 4th yr at LECOM does not do dental assistant jobs. That's for 1st year.
2. Based on the interview, it did impress me. faculty had been working at different schools over 30 yrs. They know how to run clinics.
3. 4th yr serving in the underprivileged area is what all the new school are doing now. External rotation/outreach programs.
It allows dental students to see far more challenging cases and help the dental school if they don't have a large number of patients.
FL has a lot of under-served areas. You will get a plenty of clinical experience.

4. One thing sucks about LECOM, you cannot get loans from Dept of Edu Yet. it is still under process. My concern is how they are gonna find adjunct professors who will teach 4th year??? And how much patient will 3rd yr get??? Bradenton is not a poor neighborhood.

But then they are experienced with dental school systems. so I am sure they got plans.

It will not be a bad school. Look at what people have said about ASDOH and MWU-AZ. See those school now. Better clinically than half of dental schools in the nation.

very beautiful post

 

[NguyenDDS]

I had a look at ASDOH and Western this past week, new programs can definitely get things put together. Both schools had excellent clinical programs in the works and great rotations set up for 4th years.

And for anyone who scoffs at rotations, it is better than being at your dental school. At your dental school you'll see 2-3 patients a day, max. On rotations, you can see anywhere from 8-16 patients depending on how rigorous the need for care is.

And also, for anyone who thinks that patients just have to start showing up when the 3rd and 4th years enter clinic, that is not true. The faculty actually are the ones who open the clinic. For example, the Western faculty started seeing patients 9 months before the clinics opened for the students in order to get a patient base together.

I imagine LECOM will be just as respectable as any new school.

I agree 🙂

Just wanted to add that LECOM > ASDOH on my list 🙂