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nitecap said:You guys need to wake up from your MD dominant dream one day and realize that CRNA's administer all types of anesthetics all over the country with no MD/MDA looking over their shoulder telling them what stick of drugs to push or what knob to turn. It is your faded and cloudy understanding about what we are really capable of doing clinically that advances the CRNA profession. You guys that have the old oh just another ICU nurse mentality are just a helping hand ect when that really is a large misestimate of a CRNA's capability. The more you underestimate the less robust you lobby, the less you think CRNA's can really get done. Which in turn leads you guys all to be shocked when another state opts out, or when we dont have your back on a CMS issue, or when we don't agree to kneel down to your rules. AS well all of the aurguments you use while in your dream are all illegitiment as far as a real study claiming who is the safest provider. So please guys, hold out your arms, allow another bolus of STP and enjoy the dream, eventually someone will wake you up, wont be me.
As far as the AA issue goes heres a little piece of advice. IT makes whole lot of sense for you guys to totally control the market, and thats about the only sense it makes b/c it does not make finacial sence b/c AA's are paid the same for the most part. It does not at all make for a safer anesthetic b/c their are no studies what so ever comparing MDA's to CRNA's to AA's. And as well if the AA profession grows pretty soon it will be like the PA profession and you will have little Johnny's 4th grade homeroom teacher putting little johnny to sleep with only 24 months of training beyond her elementary education degree. So sure it makes more sense to bow out of the batltle, take the passive aggressive approach b/c you guys are not any stronger the the body of CRNA's mentally, emotionally and passionately. Once Get you 30 thoussand AA's as you want and you will see malpractice increase, deaths rise, you name it. No offense JWK, you have a plethora of experience, the AA I met online the other nite at Emory has a civil engineering degree with never a hands on pt care experience ever in her life. Never even looked in to a pt's mouth, never did anything. The experience gap is huge, and of course can be filled with years of practice but hate to pt that pt during the first year.
I looked into AA programs. Have you ever been to Emory, or Case Western's AA websit? Have you seen the pre-requisites? They require everything that pre-med does, and more.
And by the way, we're not talking the arm-chair science courses that MOST nursing students get away with. You know what I'm talking about too. I've taken post-bacc courses at two major universities and have a BA from another. And each have a BSRN program. But, let me tell you, the sciences are not the same as those required for pre-med and AA programs (some AA programs require the MCAT).
In fact, I just dropped (due to being a complete joke) a microbiology class (300 level, mind you) that I was taking as a post-bacc in preparation for a rigorous medical school journey. It was the one required of the nursing program, and was totally "arm-chair".
I switched out of it in favor of the microbio class that the actual science majors take. Big, big difference. And this applies to the organic chemistry that nurses take. NOT the same.
Sure, CRNA's have clinical skills. But, when it comes to the actual rigors of an academic curriculum, the AA's have to push through some very challenging science courses.
You mentioned this civil engineering major just waltzing into an AA program. Nice try. His/her degree may have been in CE, but that person would have MINIMALLY had to complete every medical school requirement, plus anatomy and physiology (separately), depending on the AA school. In addition, the MCAT would most likely been required (at the very least the GRE). So, don't misrepresent the reality.
So, just 24 months of anesthesia experience (some are like 26 or 28)?? How long did you spend learning anesthesia?? You need to do your homework before posting trash like that.