What happens to cheaters?

[NRAI2001]

I saw this girl get caught cheating in my final today. I was wondering what happens to people who get caught cheating? Do they basically have no shot at med school anymore or can they make up for their mistake?

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[NRAI2001]

Anatomy. I don't know if the girl cheated or not, but as I was walking out I saw the professor talking to her. She said that she caught a cheater on the first exam also.

 

[Gleevec]

Originally posted by NRAI2001
I saw this girl get caught cheating in my final today. I was wondering what happens to people who get caught cheating? Do they basically have no shot at med school anymore or can they make up for their mistake?

They're done as far as US med schools go. I dont know of anyone who got caught cheating who got into med school. The only case I know of where a cheater got in, she ended up in the Caribbean.

 

[NRAI2001]

I m just guessing that she cheated, but I always wondered what happens to cheaters bc I see people cheating all the time.

 

[NRAI2001]

Originally posted by Gleevec
They're done as far as US med schools go. I dont know of anyone who got caught cheating who got into med school. The only case I know of where a cheater got in, she ended up in the Caribbean.

Wow, that sucks. So there is no way for that person to redeem themselves? Can they talk about it in their personal statement?

 

[robotdancing]

Originally posted by NRAI2001
Wow, that sucks. So there is no way for that person to redeem themselves? Can they talk about it in their personal statement?

i imagine it would be pretty tough to explain. it's one thing to get yourself on academic probation, rebound and play it off as immaturity and a tough transition to college, it's another thing entirely to find yourself forced to justify an ethics violation.

 

[NRAI2001]

Wow scary, I wonder what those people end up doing? Do schools always report it to med schools?

 

[Brickhouse]

One time I let my bio lab partner read my rough draft of a paper we both had to write. We had all the same data. She was an ESL student and so I thought her seeing my draft would help give her ideas. She copied my paper almost verbatim and turned it in. After an hour bawling my eyes out in the professors office, I was excused with an F on the lab and a notice in my file that any future dishonest act would get me expelled. The other student got a zero and the same notice. I had the highest A in my lab up to that point, and thank god I managed to get an A even with the F on my lab report. I was glad she was disciplined for her action, but it was also a rude awakening for me as I was trying to be helpful, and ended up being naive.

 

[jlee9531]

Originally posted by NRAI2001
Wow scary, I wonder what those people end up doing? Do schools always report it to med schools?

well if it goes on your academic record....most likely....

and if shes really dumb....she will ask the prof for an LOR in the class haha.

 

[NRAI2001]

Originally posted by Brickhouse
One time I let my bio lab partner read my rough draft of a paper we both had to write. We had all the same data. She was an ESL student and so I thought her seeing my draft would help give her ideas. She copied my paper almost verbatim and turned it in. After an hour bawling my eyes out in the professors office, I was excused with an F on the lab and a notice in my file that any future dishonest act would get me expelled. The other student got a zero and the same notice. I had the highest A in my lab up to that point, and thank god I managed to get an A even with the F on my lab report. I was glad she was disciplined for her action, but it was also a rude awakening for me as I was trying to be helpful, and ended up being naive.

Girls are lucky, they can get away with more stuff. All they have to do is squeeze out a few tears.

 

[Brickhouse]

Originally posted by NRAI2001
Girls are lucky, they can get away with more stuff. All they have to do is squeeze out a few tears.

Or maybe since I was the best student in the class they actually believed me when I told them it was not my intention to be dishonest....but maybe you're right, we women just get all the breaks in life. Poor you.

 

[NRAI2001]

Originally posted by Brickhouse
Or maybe since I was the best student in the class they actually believed me when I told them it was not my intention to be dishonest....but maybe you're right, we women just get all the breaks in life. Poor you.

Dam, I was just joking.

 

[jlee9531]

Originally posted by Brickhouse
Or maybe since I was the best student in the class they actually believed me when I told them it was not my intention to be dishonest....but maybe you're right, we women just get all the breaks in life. Poor you.

I'm glad you see it our way

But that sucks tho...well at least they were kind enough to recognize that this was uncharacteristic action on your part...

you did good tho by trying to help out the esl girl. too bad for the both of you she took the easy way out.

 

[Gleevec]

Originally posted by Brickhouse
Or maybe since I was the best student in the class they actually believed me when I told them it was not my intention to be dishonest....but maybe you're right, we women just get all the breaks in life. Poor you.

Actually in HS, I had a friend (male) who got back a D or F on his paper for his birthday (the teacher knew it was his birthday, we made it quite evident). This girl in our class cried about her grade afterwards (it was a D or F also) and she got bumped up to a B. My friend got crap for his birthday.

So yeah, female tears mean a lot to teachers, in my experience. But most of the female friends I have wouldnt cry over something as stupid as a minor grade (it was worth less than 5% of our semester grade)

 

[TheFlash]

Originally posted by Gleevec
I have wouldnt cry over something as stupid as a minor grade (it was worth less than 5% of our semester grade)

I don't think I'd ever cry over a grade, period. Never have, never want to. Even though they cause me stress, I always try to think about how good I actually have it, and how blessed my life really is. I think of all the people that have more harrowing things to be worried/crying about. It seems like a joke, but it puts silly things like an A vs. a B in perspective real fast.

TF

 

[Gleevec]

Originally posted by TheFlash
I don't think I'd ever cry over a grade, period. Never have, never want to. Even though they cause me stress, I always try to think about how good I actually have it, and how blessed my life really is. I think of all the people that have more harrowing things to be worried/crying about. It seems like a joke, but it puts silly things like an A vs. a B in perspective real fast.

TF

You truncated my quote, I said "But most of the female friends I have wouldnt cry over something as stupid as a minor grade (it was worth less than 5% of our semester grade)"

 

[TheFlash]

Oops, blame it on the late night study marathon. I don't think that the accidental truncation is of much relevance. My comment stands unchanged.

TF

 

[Spitting Camel]

Originally posted by TheFlash
Even though they cause me stress, I always try to think about how good I actually have it, and how blessed my life really is. I think of all the people that have more harrowing things to be worried/crying about. It seems like a joke, but it puts silly things like an A vs. a B in perspective real fast.

TF

TF,
What a wonderful thing to say. I feel the same way you do. I hope everyone on SDN gets to read this quote! It is now my first and official signature!

 

[14931]

cheat, the adjective is cheat. there is no word "cheater" or "cheaters" . Cheat

 

[NontradICUdoc]

In HS I was asked to stay after class along with my lab partner (who barely spoke ensligh) in biology the day after the exam. Aparently, he copied off of me and the teacher confronted us.

He believed me when I told him that I have no reason to cheat and did not let him cheat. He got an F for the exam and was put in the corner during the other exams fo the year.

As for med school......cheating in college.......better have a damn good explaination.

 

[TTSD]

I have heard of a case of someone caught cheating and getting into medical school. Of course he was connected up the wazoo.

But for ever one cheater that is caught, you hear about a hundred who get away.

 

[Spacekat]

Originally posted by immediatespring
cheat, the adjective is cheat. there is no word "cheater" or "cheaters" . Cheat

Adjective?
That's a word that describes a noun, so you think they shoud say:
"He is a cheat guy."
Or
"They are cheat people" ?

Mote Beam

 

[brodaiga]

I have something on my record that I am not proud of. At my past school My doctor wrote an excuse for missing an exam, but he wrote the wrong datecnad I changed it myself. I got an F in the class and a mark on my record. I transferred to a diff school as a result and have had a 4.0 GPA since bringing me to a 3.7 now (because of the single F) waiting to apply to med school. I have done things throughout to prove my character, volunteer with troubled kids, whatever. I have always thought that Med schools look at your application and realize you made mistakes (this happend my first semester of college), would that not be true in my case?

 

[Tommat]

I saw this girl get caught cheating in my final today. I was wondering what happens to people who get caught cheating? Do they basically have no shot at med school anymore or can they make up for their mistake?

She's probably trying to decide when to take the LSAT.

 

[Rendar5]

I almost got put on probation for plagiarism. I had xeroxed part of the diagrams I did with my lab partner for the appendix of our lab report, not the body. I thought it would be ok since it was just reference for the paper and not the paper itself. Of course, looking back it was a really dumb move. Luckily, the prof of that class liked me and only let the TA take points off for my appendix section. Unfortunately it did knock my grade down for the entier semester. I still got a really good LoR from that class (course, I did much better second semester and didn't pull any dumb **** like this)

 

[14931]

Originally posted by Spacekat
Adjective?
That's a word that describes a noun, so you think they shoud say:
"He is a cheat guy."
Or
"They are cheat people" ?

Mote Beam

haha

no you would say

He is a cheat
or
They are cheats

 

[NontradICUdoc]

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An adverb word, that modifies a verb, an adjective or else another adverb

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[Pinkertinkle]

I took that particular anatomy exam yesterday, and I cannot imagine why anyone would cheat on it. The professor gave a review in which basically 95% of the questions on the test were told to us.

 

[Brickhouse]

Originally posted by Gleevec

So yeah, female tears mean a lot to teachers, in my experience. But most of the female friends I have wouldnt cry over something as stupid as a minor grade (it was worth less than 5% of our semester grade)

No no no! I wasn't crying over my grade, I was crying because I was being accused of cheating and it was going on my record and I was scared sh*tless that it would affect my med school chances! Jeez! And the other student was a female, she cried too, god knows why, it was her bad judgement that got us there, and she didn't get ****, she got a zero. I only got an "F" (which I hardly consider a break) because it was seen as unintentional on my part, while malicious on hers. I don't know, the whole thing really sucked so go ahead and flame me however you want, just be glad you didn't have to go through all that.

 

[Gleevec]

Originally posted by Brickhouse
No no no! I wasn't crying over my grade, I was crying because I was being accused of cheating and it was going on my record and I was scared sh*tless that it would affect my med school chances! Jeez! And the other student was a female, she cried too, god knows why, it was her bad judgement that got us there, and she didn't get ****, she got a zero. I only got an "F" (which I hardly consider a break) because it was seen as unintentional on my part, while malicious on hers. I don't know, the whole thing really sucked so go ahead and flame me however you want, just be glad you didn't have to go through all that.

Im not referring to your comment, Im referring to a comment made by someone else about girls crying getting things done. Nothing to do with your post, sorry for any confusion.

 

[Demosthenes_7]

My experiece w/ students caught cheating over the past ten years, is that usually the consequences are minor if they get caught. Univerisities are under so much pressure to avoid scandle and retain students, not to mention that often for the prof dealing w/ the cheating it is not worth the hassle to take the case very far. Often teachers will knock the caught students grade down a little... For the student cheating is often worth it, which is a sad testament to higher education today. Colleges are no longer bastions of integrity and high morals, but four year Club Meds for 18-22 year olds. Sure, I know several exceptions exist, but I'm just commenting on an overall trend.

 

[NRAI2001]

Originally posted by Demosthenes_7
My experiece w/ students caught cheating over the past ten years, is that usually the consequences are minor if they get caught. Univerisities are under so much pressure to avoid scandle and retain students, not to mention that often for the prof dealing w/ the cheating it is not worth the hassle to take the case very far. Often teachers will knock the caught students grade down a little... For the student cheating is often worth it, which is a sad testament to higher education today. Colleges are no longer bastions of integrity and high morals, but four year Club Meds for 18-22 year olds. Sure, I know several exceptions exist, but I'm just commenting on an overall trend.

You said that universities are under a lot of pressure to retain students, are u talking about private or public schools? At my school it seems as like the school and faculty are trying to screw u over and weed you out in any possible way.

 

[NRAI2001]

Originally posted by Pinkertinkle
I took that particular anatomy exam yesterday, and I cannot imagine why anyone would cheat on it. The professor gave a review in which basically 95% of the questions on the test were told to us.

Yea me neither, it was really easy even if you hadn't watched the review. But someone who is really desparate to get a grade may have cheated.

 

[Mylaina]

Adcoms really look at instituitional actions-- and cheating is not one that is forgiven often, however, if you explain the circumstances, they do discuss it.

 

[premedi-kid]

I once saw some guy in my orgo class cheat, wow was he stupid. The auditorium that we were sitting in sloped downwards and he was holding on to his orgo flash cards. Before he knew it, our instructor was standing on top of him and said, "No, the answer to this question isn't the Wittig reaction". The guy dropped all of his cards and was promptly escorted out of the testing site. Needless to say, he failed the course.

Cheaters never win!!!

 

[Grumpy Bear]

My genetics partner forged data for our fruitfly experiment, then only used my half of the data in her analysis. She ended up with the A and all my loci were wrong I can just imagine her jaunting around at medical school of her choice. Sometimes they don't get caught. Thought I'd vent... strange that I'm still bitter after all these years...

 

[TravellinDoc]

Yeah, my best friend from college got caught plagiarizing (though it was unintentional) and ended up with a mark on his transcript and an F in the course, ouch! Well, he ended up getting on the wait list at MCG. Anyone know if this means they're willing to look past it? I feel bad for him cuz he may have messed up his dream with one stupid mistake.

 

[Optimist]

Originally posted by Brickhouse
One time I let my bio lab partner read my rough draft of a paper we both had to write. We had all the same data. She was an ESL student and so I thought her seeing my draft would help give her ideas. She copied my paper almost verbatim and turned it in. After an hour bawling my eyes out in the professors office, I was excused with an F on the lab and a notice in my file that any future dishonest act would get me expelled. The other student got a zero and the same notice. I had the highest A in my lab up to that point, and thank god I managed to get an A even with the F on my lab report. I was glad she was disciplined for her action, but it was also a rude awakening for me as I was trying to be helpful, and ended up being naive.

Aren't lab partners supposed to help each other on papers? My lab partner and I always turned in very similar stuff, just put in our words, and even if somebody noticed it, I don't think it would have been considered "cheating". Laziness maybe.

I don't know the exact circumstances here, but almost being expelled seems a little severe.

 

[Optimist]

Originally posted by brodaiga
I have something on my record that I am not proud of. At my past school My doctor wrote an excuse for missing an exam, but he wrote the wrong datecnad I changed it myself. I got an F in the class and a mark on my record. I transferred to a diff school as a result and have had a 4.0 GPA since bringing me to a 3.7 now (because of the single F) waiting to apply to med school.

Wouldn't a quick phone call to your doctor have straightened it out? It was his mistake, not yours

 

[basupran]

Shoot...I remember when I was a TA, and I saw this guy get caught for cheating. I felt so bad for him...I had to be there as a witness, and he basically got owned. Some professors will take the case as far as they can. It isn't worth it. If you are going to do it, be slick. Getting caught is rare, but if you do get caught, good luck (if you go to a large, impersonal school).

 

[NRAI2001]

Originally posted by Optimist
Aren't lab partners supposed to help each other on papers? My lab partner and I always turned in very similar stuff, just put in our words, and even if somebody noticed it, I don't think it would have been considered "cheating". Laziness maybe.

I don't know the exact circumstances here, but almost being expelled seems a little severe.

Yea I think most people in my labs had very similar lab reports, bc if you went to the TA's office hours they would help you out a lot and explain a lot of the tougher questions to u.

 

[NRAI2001]

Originally posted by TravellinDoc
Yeah, my best friend from college got caught plagiarizing (though it was unintentional) and ended up with a mark on his transcript and an F in the course, ouch! Well, he ended up getting on the wait list at MCG. Anyone know if this means they're willing to look past it? I feel bad for him cuz he may have messed up his dream with one stupid mistake.

Where and what school is MCG? What year was he when he got his mark?

 

[TravellinDoc]

MCG = Medical College of Georgia and it happened the first semester of his senior year, though it's been two years since then. Idunno, I guess we'll just have to see. Seems to me that the fact that it happened during his last year of college wouldn't look very good. However, they didn't reject him outright so who knows?

 

[NRAI2001]

Originally posted by TravellinDoc
MCG = Medical College of Georgia and it happened the first semester of his senior year, though it's been two years since then. Idunno, I guess we'll just have to see. Seems to me that the fact that it happened during his last year of college wouldn't look very good. However, they didn't reject him outright so who knows?

Yea i could understand them forgiving him if it was his freshmen year more easily. What was his GPA and mcat? It must have been high.

 

[freesolo]

does cheating show up on transcript? What actually shows up on a transcript?

 

[brand990]

I'm not really sure there is something on the transcript that says cheating or something, but at my school, they attach a note explaining that the student was caught cheating. It doesnt just go to grad schools either, employers see it too. Its not something to take lightly....

 

[TravellinDoc]

well, before his F he had a 3.75 from Emory Univ and a 28 MCAT but now his gpa is 3.6. he had some pretty good EC's and experiences though, and I guess they didn't seem particularly concerned when it came to asking him about it at the interview. I guess it's up to the ADCOMM to decide now.

 

[superk0725]

Cheaters do change.....

On of my good friends from high school went through the 4 years of high school without doing any work. for example, he did not study for a single test or read a single of the assigned books in AP english and would just find papers online and stuff......it got to the point where i didnt think that he was competent to do any work on his own.

And then he went to college where his first semester there he tried the same thing but got caught. his professor gave him a D- as a final grade and my friend went to go talk to him since he was getting atleast a B before the final paper. The professor told him that he suspected that this paper was plagerized and if my friend wanted to contest it, the professor would look into it. If he found that the paper was authentic he would give my friend the grade he deserved, but if it wasnt he would give him an F instead of a D-. Needless to say, my friend just let it go and stayed with the D- and since then has busted his ass off in college. now he is deciding between Upenn and columbia dental school.

so i guess that there is hope for people who change and they can turn their habits around

 

[Gleevec]

Originally posted by superk0725
Cheaters do change.....

On of my good friends from high school went through the 4 years of high school without doing any work. for example, he did not study for a single test or read a single of the assigned books in AP english and would just find papers online and stuff......it got to the point where i didnt think that he was competent to do any work on his own.

And then he went to college where his first semester there he tried the same thing but got caught. his professor gave him a D- as a final grade and my friend went to go talk to him since he was getting atleast a B before the final paper. The professor told him that he suspected that this paper was plagerized and if my friend wanted to contest it, the professor would look into it. If he found that the paper was authentic he would give my friend the grade he deserved, but if it wasnt he would give him an F instead of a D-. Needless to say, my friend just let it go and stayed with the D- and since then has busted his ass off in college. now he is deciding between Upenn and columbia dental school.

so i guess that there is hope for people who change and they can turn their habits around

I guess dental schools are more forgiving then? I know of a similar case where someone forged a paper, and she's now in the Carribean.

 

[NRAI2001]

What if you were to accidentally plagerize? Do you think professors know when someone knowingly plagerizes and when someone accidentally does?