What is min commitment after 4y HPSP?

[BiOGoly]

Sorry about the Noob question, but after scouring the internet and the available literature I still haven't found a clear answer. Is it a year of service for every year on the scholarship + residency? Are there restrictions/delays involved in returning to civilian practice? If anyone can fill me in a little, I would really appreciate it!

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[brats800]

1 year payback for each year of the scholarship, the payback beginning AFTER residency. if your residency is longer than the years of scholarship, you will pay the longer value (ie - a 4 year scholarship with a 5 year residency will require a 5 year payback)...also, if you do navy, the GMO tour before residency may not count towards your years of payback (unless you did the required years of payback as a GMO and then got out of the military to join a civilian residency...)

i believe that after you get out of active duty, you also are in the Inactive Ready Reserve for 8 years...

hope that helps

 

[hsouth]

Is the Inactive Ready Reserve for all branches? Nothing I've recieved from the Army says anything about that, but I haven't seen a final contract either.

Thanks
~H

 

[GeoLeoX]

Though brats mentioned it, it may not be clear that one could just do the first post-graduate year, then an operational tour for 4 years (5 years total). The IRR goes for the Army as well, but I was under the impression that it's 8 years total, including one's payback time. That would mean 4 years after a 4 year active duty payback.

Geo

 

[chillin]

Does anyone know how the inactive ready reserve compares to other reservist positions? Is this simply the same as being a reservist? The recruiter I spoke with said this group is the last to be called to duty. What is an active duty reservist vs inactive? Is an active duty reservist the same as someone in active duty?

 

[brats800]

i was under the impression that an active duty reservist was one of the people who went to drill or at least put their uniform on like one weekend per month...the inactive ready reservists would not do anything during their time in the IRR unless they were called to active duty.....

 

[brats800]

this is taken from:
http://www.ha.osd.mil/policies/1998/loan9818.htm

the repayment is 8 years total, which could be (for instance) 4 active duty and 4 IRR...i stand corrected GeoLeoX


SERVICE OBLIGATION

Participants of the HPLRP shall incur an eight-year service obligation, a portion of which shall be an active duty obligation (ADO). The ADO portion shall consist of a minimum two years or one year of ADO for each annual repayment, whichever is greater. The remaining service obligation beyond the ADO portion shall be served in the Individual Ready Reserve (IRR), unless the Secretary of the Military Department concerned and the member mutually agree that said portion, or a part thereof, shall be served on active duty or in the Selected Reserve (SELRES). The ADO portion of the service obligation shall be served at the completion of any additional ADO incurred. Also subject to mutual agreement, the participant may fulfill the IRR obligation in the SELRES. No portion of the ADO shall be fulfilled by prior active service.

 

[edmadison]

Hm, my contract says seven years, but maybe I'm just special. In any event I want to correct one thing that brat said. When the military calculates your payback and whether you earned more payback for years of residency, internship doesn't count. Thus a 4 year scholarship recipeint must do a 6 year residency to earn more years. The way to really figure it out is like this.

You have two obligations, a scholarship obligation equal to the duration of your scholarship, and a training obligation equal to the length of your residency NOT counting internship. The key is that you pay them back at the same time, but you may incurr them at different times. Let's look at some examples.

I do 3yr HPSP and ortho -- straight through. At graduation, I owe 3 yrs scholarship and no training. At the end of my GME I have incurred an additional 4 year obligation (ortho is intern +4). After 3 years of attendinghood, I have paid back my scholarship obligation, but not my training obligation. I must serve an additional year and am done with AD. Thus I have done 5 years in residency, 4 in payback = 9 yrs AD.

Let's say I want to do the same thing in the NAVY. At graduation, the obligation is the same 3 yrs scholarship, no training. I do my ortho internship and still have 3 yrs scholarship and no training. The navy forces me to do 2 years of GMO. At the end of that, I owe 1 year scholarship and no training. The Navy gives me my ortho residency for four years giving me an additional 4 year training obligation. After 1 year as an ortho attending, I have completed my scholarship obligation, but still owe 3 years training. Thus at the end I will have done 1 year internship, 2 years GMO, 4 years residency, 4 years payback = 11 yrs AD. This is why NAVY HPSP can be bad.

Ed

 

[brats800]

a response from a recruiter about the timeline (for navy) as listed by edmadison:

That time line is correct. You could also do a three year GMO tour
and be done with your active duty commitment. If you did that and
picked up a civilian residency program, you could apply for the Navy's
Financial Assistance Program. (FAP) Which gives you approx. $34,000
a year on top of your residency salary. After your civilian residency you
would go back on active duty for five years.(after a 4 year residency).

 

[_456]

would this be right:
your FYGME year w/ military counts toward one year payback without incurring additonal year of service after residency?

4 year HPSP

3 year training FP w/ military program:

{1 year intership- military hospital (FYGME)

2 year residency- military family practice}

owe 3 year active duty after residency plus 4 year ready reserve?

btw how competive is MACH (GA) FP program?

thanks for any help.

 

[edmadison]

Sorry _456, the FYGME neither incurs nor relieves your scholarship debt. It is neutral. Why do they do it like this? I have no idea.

Ed

 

[_456]

thanks.

 

[Skylizard]

Originally posted by chillin
Does anyone know how the inactive ready reserve compares to other reservist positions? Is this simply the same as being a reservist? The recruiter I spoke with said this group is the last to be called to duty. What is an active duty reservist vs inactive? Is an active duty reservist the same as someone in active duty?

OK, When you sign aboard for any military spot, everyone signs for 8 years the first contract. Yes, eight years. However, how that eight years is done is where the details lie. Most do four years active something (active duty or active reserve duty) and the last four years as innactive reserve. In general, the innactive reservist does nothing more then complete a medical physical exam every year or so....depending on your skill.

If you look at who has been actually called up for duty out of the reserves the most, guess who....physicians and other healthcare specialist because the military can not pay enough to keep these highly skilled people beyond their commitment. Thus, innactive reserve does not mean you will not be called. There are some fields of medicine in which they only have one physician covering several states for the field. Thus, you can be sure they would call up an innactive reservist.

 

[OnlyLiveOnce]

OK, When you sign aboard for any military spot, everyone signs for 8 years the first contract. Yes, eight years. However, how that eight years is done is where the details lie. Most do four years active something (active duty or active reserve duty) and the last four years as innactive reserve. In general, the innactive reservist does nothing more then complete a medical physical exam every year or so....depending on your skill.

If you look at who has been actually called up for duty out of the reserves the most, guess who....physicians and other healthcare specialist because the military can not pay enough to keep these highly skilled people beyond their commitment. Thus, innactive reserve does not mean you will not be called. There are some fields of medicine in which they only have one physician covering several states for the field. Thus, you can be sure they would call up an innactive reservist.

Pardon the revival of such an old thread. My question is basically a follow-up to what has been said here.

1) So, if someone were to take a Navy scholarship and do a 4-year GMO tour after med school to fulfill their obligation and then go do a civilian residency, would they still owe 4 years of IRR once they started practicing?

2) Is the 2nd paragraph quoted still true today? (that being IRR means a physician still has a very good chance of being called up to active duty)

 

[The White Coat Investor]

Pardon the revival of such an old thread. My question is basically a follow-up to what has been said here.

1) So, if someone were to take a Navy scholarship and do a 4-year GMO tour after med school to fulfill their obligation and then go do a civilian residency, would they still owe 4 years of IRR once they started practicing?

2) Is the 2nd paragraph quoted still true today? (that being IRR means a physician still has a very good chance of being called up to active duty)

Under situation 1, you would do your IRR during your civilian residency and theoretically could be pulled out of your civilian residency to active duty.

I don't know of anyone who has been called up out of IRR to be a physician. Doesn't mean it can't happen, but I've been in a while and on this site for >7 years under different names and I don't recall anyone even knowing anyone called out of IRR.

Best to start your own thread if you want more eyes to see this.