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i've seen a couple threads started for specific programs, but maybe it makes sense to compile this all in one place. browsing through the archives, it seems this has been done in the past.

i'll get it started. (note: i'm only noting unsolicited communication, not any email exchanges that i initiated)

dartmouth-short letter after interview
yale-
umass-
bu-
longwood-
cambridge-email
brown-
mgh-phone callx2
 
I'm wondering about UMass too.
 
This is unsolicited correspondence:

Columbia – very generic email
NYU –
Mount Sinai – phone call from PD
Einstein – email, phone call from resident
LIJ – email
Pitt – email X 2
Emory – phone call from chair, email X 4, 2nd look offer
UC-Davis –
UCSF – email, phone call from attending, 2nd look offer
Stanford – email
USC -
UCLA –
UCSD – email X 2
 
dartmouth-short letter after interview
yale-
umass-lengthy, specific email
bu-
longwood-
cambridge-email
brown-phone call from PD
mgh-phone callx2 from PD
 
This is unsolicited correspondence:

Columbia – very generic email
NYU –
Mount Sinai – phone call from PD
Einstein – email, phone call from resident
LIJ – email
Pitt – email X 2
Emory – phone call from chair, email X 4, 2nd look offer
UC-Davis –
UCSF – email, phone call from attending, 2nd look offer
Stanford – email
USC -
UCLA –
UCSD – email X 2

Wow! That's all really, really impressive. It seems like you have some great options!

here's mine:

UConn- phone call from PD
U Colorado- email from PD
UMass-
U of Utah-
Maine-
BU-
Dartmouth- letter from PD
 
yeah

Vanderbilt - email from PD and resident
UC Irvine - phone call from PD
USC - Invitation to dinner (yummy)
Loma Linda - email from chief resident
OHSU - letter from PD and email from fellow
Salt Lake -
UNC -
UAB -
Maricopa - email from PD
Austin - letter from PD
 
UCLA - email from resident
Pitt - email x 2
Cincinnati - phone call from PD, invitation for 2nd look
Albert Einstein -
Mayo Clinic - email
George Washington University -
Dartmouth -
Mount Sinai -
U of MD/Sheppard Pratt - email
Case Western - email x 2
 
Just out of curiosity, for anyone who has heard from various programs are the programs you heard from the programs that you showed more interest in?
 
unsolicited feedback (in no particular order!)--

USC--invitation to dinner, email from chair
Cedars--
UCSD--email from PD, email from resident
UCLA/SFV--
Loma Linda--
UCI--call from PD, associate PD, chief resident, and two residents, email from PD
UCLA/Harbor--email from PD
 
For me it was just the opposite - three of the programs that I'm very interested in going and where I explicitly expressed a lot of interest didn't contact me except to help set up my 2nd look, etc. All three of these also had people who didn't reply to my emails, for example, when I'd email residents with questions there were a few that just never responded, but then there was also residents at all three who did email back and were happy to answer. It doesn't really affect my decision, b/c I'm hoping "that's just the way they roll" at those programs. One of the programs where I expressed a lot of interest called and emailed me after I expressed a lot of interest and did a 2nd look, and that is one program where I think the level of interest influences them quite a bit b/c they want to have residents who are really happy to be there.
 
yeah

Vanderbilt - email from PD and resident
UC Irvine - phone call from PD
USC - Invitation to dinner (yummy)
Loma Linda - email from chief resident
OHSU - letter from PD and email from fellow
Salt Lake -
UNC -
UAB -
Maricopa - email from PD
Austin - letter from PD

Was that Austin letter the one about UTMB and the future of psychiatry residency in Austin?
 
Was that Austin letter the one about UTMB and the future of psychiatry residency in Austin?

I got both a written letter soon after my interview and a typed letter discussing UTMB and the future of psych in Austin.
 
UCI--call from PD, associate PD, chief resident, and two residents, email from PD

You got calls from 5 different people? Did that come across as being a little desperate or that they really, really want you to come? My guess is that you're a rock star, but just the same...
 
i've seen a couple threads started for specific programs, but maybe it makes sense to compile this all in one place. browsing through the archives, it seems this has been done in the past.

i'll get it started. (note: i'm only noting unsolicited communication, not any email exchanges that i initiated)

dartmouth-short letter after interview
yale-
umass-
bu-
longwood-
cambridge-email
brown-
mgh-phone callx2

Is this thread really helpful? If your just going to rank the programs based on where you want to go why would it matter if they have contacted you telling you how incredible you are. My #1 and #2 havent contacted me and that hasnt stopped me from ranking them high.
 
Is this thread really helpful? If your just going to rank the programs based on where you want to go why would it matter if they have contacted you telling you how incredible you are. My #1 and #2 havent contacted me and that hasnt stopped me from ranking them high.

I agree. This may or may not be useful. I do, however, find it fascinating.
 
Is this thread really helpful? If your just going to rank the programs based on where you want to go why would it matter if they have contacted you telling you how incredible you are. My #1 and #2 havent contacted me and that hasnt stopped me from ranking them high.

no, it's not going to change how i rank programs either, it's more just a matter of curiosity. by the looks of the number of posts and views, others feel the same.
 
I agree. This may or may not be useful. I do, however, find it fascinating.

lol...it is fascinating how many of us want to boast about how awesome we are or at least find out if anyone else out there is more awesome than the other guy...lol... guys just rank them and wait til the match... It's all gonna be ok...lol...😀
 
lol...it is fascinating how many of us want to boast about how awesome we are or at least find out if anyone else out there is more awesome than the other guy...lol... guys just rank them and wait til the match... It's all gonna be ok...lol...😀

Actually, it's the opposite. Not boasting.....more like reassurance that I'm not lame.
 
Exactly, suedehead. At this point, it's all about the anxiety/knowledge ratio even if the rank list doesn't change one bit.
 
Yes. I do think it's a helpful thread for a few reasons. For one reason, as mentioned above, is reassurance for those who really want to be at a program where they are really wanted by the administration. For those people it may be reassuring to know that their certain dream program just don't contact anyone between now and match day. For another, for those people who feel pretty darn comfortable in the fact that they'll match and are leaving out a few programs from their rank list, but then see that they haven't been as courted by their dream programs as much as everyone else, they might reconsider whether they want to add a few more programs onto their list or risk scrambling.

And, at the very least, it's about as helpful as that thread that was started listing the programs who have started giving out interviews in the first place. 😉
 
Yes. I do think it's a helpful thread for a few reasons. For one reason, as mentioned above, is reassurance for those who really want to be at a program where they are really wanted by the administration. For those people it may be reassuring to know that their certain dream program just don't contact anyone between now and match day. For another, for those people who feel pretty darn comfortable in the fact that they'll match and are leaving out a few programs from their rank list, but then see that they haven't been as courted by their dream programs as much as everyone else, they might reconsider whether they want to add a few more programs onto their list or risk scrambling.

And, at the very least, it's about as helpful as that thread that was started listing the programs who have started giving out interviews in the first place. 😉

lol...Oh God... what a long explanation for something so obvious. You just like knowing that more PD's have contacted you than anyone else. A bit histrionic if you ask me...

good luck finding your "dream program"😉
 
Not at all ,my friend. Haven't talked to but one, and happy with that. Much more people on this thread have had many more! Good luck to you too. 😎
 
dartmouth-short letter after interview
yale-email
umass-lengthy, specific email
bu-
longwood-
cambridge-email
brown-phone call from PD
mgh-phone callx2 from PD
 
Yes. I do think it's a helpful thread for a few reasons. For one reason, as mentioned above, is reassurance for those who really want to be at a program where they are really wanted by the administration. For those people it may be reassuring to know that their certain dream program just don't contact anyone between now and match day. For another, for those people who feel pretty darn comfortable in the fact that they'll match and are leaving out a few programs from their rank list, but then see that they haven't been as courted by their dream programs as much as everyone else, they might reconsider whether they want to add a few more programs onto their list or risk scrambling.

And, at the very least, it's about as helpful as that thread that was started listing the programs who have started giving out interviews in the first place. 😉

Making any decision or opinion based on information from this forum is generally not a good idea. IMHO, the only usefulness of a thread like this is just to satisify curiosity.
 
lol...Oh God... what a long explanation for something so obvious. You just like knowing that more PD's have contacted you than anyone else. A bit histrionic if you ask me...

good luck finding your "dream program"😉

Goodness, that was quite rude and uncalled for. Honestly, it's not that complicated. If you find the thread useful or fun to read, then look at it. If you don't, then don't.
 
Goodness, that was quite rude and uncalled for. Honestly, it's not that complicated. If you find the thread useful or fun to read, then look at it. If you don't, then don't.

I agree, they are fun to read. I always get a good laugh at it all. Especially since people are going to make life long decisions based on the info that people are posting about which PD's have called them or emailed them...

I dont understand why you just dont choose the program you like and feel is a good fit and rank accordingly. Is it really going to help by getting this backdoor information so you can plan out some ridiculous strategy or it because you just want to know if more PD's have contacted you because your so great. Just calling it how it is. all in all its all pretty funny.:meanie:
 
I dont understand why you just dont choose the program you like and feel is a good fit and rank accordingly.

A program's opinion of you is part of what a "good fit" means. Psychiatry is so ridiculously uncompetitive that many good programs, especially ones not in the major metro areas, flat out have difficulty recruiting good residents. I think it's entirely possible to match at a program and that program not be excited about having you match there. They may have had to go much further down on their rank list than they liked. You may be thrilled at the prospect of matching at the program, but if the program isn't as excited about you, that may adversely affect your experience there. If there are two programs that you like equally, and one is excited about having you, and the other is lukewarm, it's pretty clear you're better off somewhere with people who are happy to see you on July 1st.

The value of a thread like this is that it allows us to interpret to some degree the info we get. If you've received five emails from a program director massaging your ego, and so has everyone else, that tells you the program is liberal in their praise, and that they're casting a wide net. If a program is much more conservative in their contact with applicants, and you've had some positive post-interview interactions, that lets you more genuinely assess that the program is excited about you and the way they see you fitting into their program.

Let's take some examples on some not-so-mythical programs:

Program A is generally considered an absolute top program, is well know for its intensity, and famously attracts a certain type of resident. Applicant Q might know that matching at Program A would mean top-notch training, unlimited post-residency job opportunities, but with a very intense lifestyle during residency. Perhaps Applicant Q isn't sure whether she would fit in at Program A. She can imagine situations in which she would fit very well there, and situations in which she might be miserable, but she doesn't know. Then Applicant Q starts getting phone calls from Program A's program director, telling her how excited they would be to have her there, and how they think she would be a great fit at the program. Since the program director probably has some experience knowing whether an applicant would be a good fit, Applicant Q starts believing that she would be a good fit there. But wait, Applicant Q reads on SDN that just about everybody who interviewed at Program A is getting the same phone calls. The program director's call does not, in fact, contain information that could help the applicant decide whether she would actually fit well at Program A. Sobered, she is able to consider that her original ambivalence was more accurate, and can make her decision more objectively.

Or consider Program B, a program with an excellent regional reputation that tends to attract few residents from outside the area. On your interview day, the program director tells you that he doesn't send many emails or phone calls. The residents you talk to corroborate that they heard very little feedback from the program director, and that you shouldn't be turned off if you don't get love letters. But then, come February, you do get some very nice personalized emails discussing why you would fit well with Program B from the program director, and when you check with your friends who are also good applicants, and with folks online, you find that the feedback you've just received was pretty unique, and that the program may have some unique properties you hadn't paid much attention to that would make the program a particularly supportive place for you to train. Thus, you give the program a deeper look, and find that the place fits much better with your priorities than you realized.

I could go on and on, but point being, there are plenty of scenarios in which knowing about the recruitment habits of a program can help you interpret the feedback they are giving you, not about whether you will match there per se, but about whether that feedback gives you any indication that the program director, who knows her own residents, sees you fitting in well, or is simply scrambling to try to make sure they actually fill. You could very well match into a program that isn't as excited about you as you are about them. And there are plenty of scenarios where that would be less than ideal.
 
Agree. Very, very well stated, billypilgrim.

A program's opinion of you is part of what a "good fit" means. Psychiatry is so ridiculously uncompetitive that many good programs, especially ones not in the major metro areas, flat out have difficulty recruiting good residents. I think it's entirely possible to match at a program and that program not be excited about having you match there. They may have had to go much further down on their rank list than they liked. You may be thrilled at the prospect of matching at the program, but if the program isn't as excited about you, that may adversely affect your experience there. If there are two programs that you like equally, and one is excited about having you, and the other is lukewarm, it's pretty clear you're better off somewhere with people who are happy to see you on July 1st.

The value of a thread like this is that it allows us to interpret to some degree the info we get. If you've received five emails from a program director massaging your ego, and so has everyone else, that tells you the program is liberal in their praise, and that they're casting a wide net. If a program is much more conservative in their contact with applicants, and you've had some positive post-interview interactions, that lets you more genuinely assess that the program is excited about you and the way they see you fitting into their program.

Let's take some examples on some not-so-mythical programs:

Program A is generally considered an absolute top program, is well know for its intensity, and famously attracts a certain type of resident. Applicant Q might know that matching at Program A would mean top-notch training, unlimited post-residency job opportunities, but with a very intense lifestyle during residency. Perhaps Applicant Q isn't sure whether she would fit in at Program A. She can imagine situations in which she would fit very well there, and situations in which she might be miserable, but she doesn't know. Then Applicant Q starts getting phone calls from Program A's program director, telling her how excited they would be to have her there, and how they think she would be a great fit at the program. Since the program director probably has some experience knowing whether an applicant would be a good fit, Applicant Q starts believing that she would be a good fit there. But wait, Applicant Q reads on SDN that just about everybody who interviewed at Program A is getting the same phone calls. The program director's call does not, in fact, contain information that could help the applicant decide whether she would actually fit well at Program A. Sobered, she is able to consider that her original ambivalence was more accurate, and can make her decision more objectively.

Or consider Program B, a program with an excellent regional reputation that tends to attract few residents from outside the area. On your interview day, the program director tells you that he doesn't send many emails or phone calls. The residents you talk to corroborate that they heard very little feedback from the program director, and that you shouldn't be turned off if you don't get love letters. But then, come February, you do get some very nice personalized emails discussing why you would fit well with Program B from the program director, and when you check with your friends who are also good applicants, and with folks online, you find that the feedback you've just received was pretty unique, and that the program may have some unique properties you hadn't paid much attention to that would make the program a particularly supportive place for you to train. Thus, you give the program a deeper look, and find that the place fits much better with your priorities than you realized.

I could go on and on, but point being, there are plenty of scenarios in which knowing about the recruitment habits of a program can help you interpret the feedback they are giving you, not about whether you will match there per se, but about whether that feedback gives you any indication that the program director, who knows her own residents, sees you fitting in well, or is simply scrambling to try to make sure they actually fill. You could very well match into a program that isn't as excited about you as you are about them. And there are plenty of scenarios where that would be less than ideal.
 
josehernandez94 - I'm surprised Yale sent an email...I thought Yale was one of the few programs that kept its word about not contacting applicants. Was the email from the PD?
 
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I could go on and on, but point being, there are plenty of scenarios in which knowing about the recruitment habits of a program can help you interpret the feedback they are giving you, not about whether you will match there per se, but about whether that feedback gives you any indication that the program director, who knows her own residents, sees you fitting in well, or is simply scrambling to try to make sure they actually fill.
/snip

Very well said, 2 kudos in myspace land 😛

For those that hate:
Some of us know that this entire match idea is a game, based on the rules that are set. It's nice to know that the playing field can be leveled with a post such as this post-interview stuff. This thread, when done properly, helps us decide whether we are being b.s.'d to death by a program, or whether they are genuine in their want for us to work with them.
 
josehernandez94 - I'm surprised Yale sent an email...I thought Yale was one of the few programs that kept its word about not contacting applicants. Was the email from the PD?


assistant PD
 
UC-Davis: emailed the PD a couple weeks ago in regards to my spot on their list and got an email response with an exact number today. They'll tell everyone they interviewed where they are on the list.
 
UC-Davis: emailed the PD a couple weeks ago in regards to my spot on their list and got an email response with an exact number today. They'll tell everyone they interviewed where they are on the list.

Wow, I'd never heard of a program doing that (although my experience is extremely limited). Are there other programs that tell applicants exactly where they're ranked?
 
Say a program has 8 spots and someone is in their top 8. Do they bother to rank who among those 8 will be 1st, 2nd......etc ?
 
Say a program has 8 spots and someone is in their top 8. Do they bother to rank who among those 8 will be 1st, 2nd......etc ?

Honestly, does it matter. If you rank them one and your 8 you match. why do you care. Gosh...You guys are unbelievable this is better than watching seinfeld.lol...
 
Honestly, does it matter. If you rank them one and your 8 you match. why do you care. Gosh...You guys are unbelievable this is better than watching seinfeld.lol...



I was just trying to picture what they do all day in that little cave where the selection committee makes their decision. It doesn't matter at all. I only care because I'm curious.
I guess sometimes anxiety manifests in seinfeld-ish ways.
 
dartmouth-short letter after interview
yale-email
umass-lengthy, specific email; letter with info about ranking
bu-
longwood-
cambridge-email
brown-phone call from PD
mgh/mclean-phone callx3 from PD
 
Wow, I'd never heard of a program doing that (although my experience is extremely limited). Are there other programs that tell applicants exactly where they're ranked?

I don't personally know of any other programs that do that, but UC-Davis's PD Dr. Mark Servis is known for being a refreshingly open PD concerning their rank list and the program believes in transparency in regards to the match process. 👍 Shows a level of comfort and confidence in their own program that IMHO is quiet respectable.
 
Wow, I'd never heard of a program doing that (although my experience is extremely limited). Are there other programs that tell applicants exactly where they're ranked?

I was told by UMass last year that I was in the "Top 4 candiatates." UMich didn't tell me an exact placement, but basically said something like "You are ranked in a position that makes it up to you whether or not you want to come here." Other programs like Maryland/Pratt and Pitt hinted indirectly by saying stuff such as "you're in a very favorable position and we hope to see you next year," but where not as specific as UMass and UMich.
 
I was told by UMass last year that I was in the "Top 4 candiatates." UMich didn't tell me an exact placement, but basically said something like "You are ranked in a position that makes it up to you whether or not you want to come here." Other programs like Maryland/Pratt and Pitt hinted indirectly by saying stuff such as "you're in a very favorable position and we hope to see you next year," but where not as specific as UMass and UMich.

Just out of curiosity Chimed....did you get one of your top choices?
 
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