What schools should out-of-staters not apply to?

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CA resident here trying to decide where to apply nationwide

(3.5, 32, solid ECs, decent LORs)

 

[Hifey]

CA resident here trying to decide where to apply nationwide

(3.5, 32, solid ECs, decent LORs)

the MSAR is your friend. borrow or buy it.

As a cali applicant (I was one too), you'll have to apply to mostly private schools out of state with the occasional OOS friendly public school.

 

[bold text]

In general, avoid public schools that are in states that have few medical schools.

 

[flip26]

Start by eliminating state schools that accept zero OOS.

 

[searun]

Do not waste your time applying to the University of Washington. On the other hand, if you like the Pacific Northwest, OHSU is very friendly to out of state students, much to the dismay of Oregon residents who apply.

 

[mybubbles14]

I wouldn't waste time with Texas unless you're an amazing applicant, Wright State, Tennessee or Southern Illinois (I'm an IL resident and I didn't even waste my time applying there seeing as they don't like us Northerners 🙄)

I agree you should make the MSAR your friend. Don't apply to any school that is required or traditionally takes 90% in state.

Illinois has been fairly oos friendly in the past, but the oos tuition is ridiculous. Hell the is tuition is ridiculous for a public school. 😱

 

[WildEMDoc]

The only school in my state accepts like 1 out of stater a year. Do not bother applying to UNM.

 

[BrainBuff]

Apply to the Medical College of Wisconsin (MCW). Very friendly towards Californians ( i have no idea why..) Usually a third of the class is made up of Calif students.

 

[NickNaylor]

Hawaii.

 

[Geekchick921]

UMass virtually accepts no OOS students. Maybe a few in the MD/PhD program and that's it.

 

[searun]

I wouldn't waste time with Texas unless you're an amazing applicant, Wright State, Tennessee or Southern Illinois (I'm an IL resident and I didn't even waste my time applying there seeing as they don't like us Northerners 🙄)

I agree you should make the MSAR your friend. Don't apply to any school that is required or traditionally takes 90% in state.

Illinois has been fairly oos friendly in the past, but the oos tuition is ridiculous. Hell the is tuition is ridiculous for a public school. 😱

Instate tuition in Illinois is horrific. Just horrific. Every graduate from an Illinois public med school should leave the state upon graduation with a three fingered salute.

 

[zwitter]

I didn't follow your logic...and it worked for me. I got into a couple programs at schools that said they rarely accepted oos students. If you can make a VERY convincing argument at your interview of why THAT school is for you, (which also makes the interview go by really smooth), it plays to your advantage. Now obviously that is a double edged sword seeing how UMASS just jacked my 100 bucks and ran.

 

[chman]

Do not waste your time applying to the University of Washington. On the other hand, if you like the Pacific Northwest, OHSU is very friendly to out of state students, much to the dismay of Oregon residents who apply.

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[mspeedwagon]

UMass accepts ZERO OOS applicants to their MD program (and very, very few to their MD/PhD). Definitely NOT worth applying there. They will gladly take your money though.

I didn't follow your logic...and it worked for me. I got into a couple programs at schools that said they rarely accepted oos students. If you can make a VERY convincing argument at your interview of why THAT school is for you, (which also makes the interview go by really smooth), it plays to your advantage. Now obviously that is a double edged sword seeing how UMASS just jacked my 100 bucks and ran.

 

[MiniMoo]

MCW does indeed love Californians. Another very CA-friendly school is RFU. A decent sized chunk of each class is composed of Californians.

 

[KTownGT]

Don't bother applying to Texas schools, or any states surrounding Texas if you're applying in 2012-2013.


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EDIT: Or PCOM/ATSU/AZCOM/etc. for that matter.

Hawaii.

Dang, that sucks. I was thinking about applying there next year.

Do they not accept OOS?

 

[ucladoc2b]

MCW does indeed love Californians. Another very CA-friendly school is RFU. A decent sized chunk of each class is composed of Californians.

However, MCW gets around 6000 oos apps and RFU gets over 8000 oos apps. They are two of the most over applied to schools in the country. They both interview about 500 oos each. Those odds kinda suck.

 

[NickNaylor]

Don't bother applying to Texas schools, or any states surrounding Texas if you're applying in 2012-2013.


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EDIT: Or PCOM/ATSU/AZCOM/etc. for that matter.



Dang, that sucks. I was thinking about applying there next year.

Do they not accept OOS?

In the 2009-2010 MSAR they accepted one OOS out of a class of 50'ish I think. Only a handful (~20) interviewed out of a lot (hundreds) of applicants.

 

[teddy bear doc]

U of Nebraska (UNMC). I think technically they have around 15% OOS, but most of those are from right across the state line in Iowa.

 

[298609]

U of Nebraska (UNMC). I think technically they have around 15% OOS, but most of those are from right across the state line in Iowa.

i feel like a huge reason i should not apply to anywhere past chicago is that i don't even realize iowa is next to nebraska. it's all those "over there" states that aren't california.

 

[chman]

i feel like a huge reason i should not apply to anywhere past chicago is that i don't even realize iowa is next to nebraska. it's all those "over there" states that aren't california.

What is this California you speak of. Isn't that next to Maine or something?

 

[KTownGT]

What is this California you speak of. Isn't that next to Maine or something?

They used to be cool, but after a few bad decisions, we decided to set them adrift, guy.

 

[298609]

What is this California you speak of. Isn't that next to Maine or something?

no it's over the abyss past ohio

 

[SpaceDementia]

Download the 2010-11 School Selector spreadsheet that's available somewhere on here (or buy the MSAR), and note the number of OOS applicants interviewed by various schools.

 

[zwitter]

UMass accepts ZERO OOS applicants to their MD program (and very, very few to their MD/PhD). Definitely NOT worth applying there. They will gladly take your money though.

I'm attending a school that accepts 0 oos students according to their website. Here's the dirty secret, Im an oos student. Oh KNOWS! Exceptions can always happen.

But don't apply to UMASS they just won't have any of that.

 

[cfx]

Washington has an "out of region" acceptance rate if <1%??? Ouch.

I always knew it was very low, but the number of people I've known who have applied there OOR (but not been accepted, of course) had me believing there was at least a shot in hell by their optimism alone.

I guess I shouldn't waste my money here.

I just met a guy at my school who was accepted to UW. Should have asked him where his parents live...

 

[EpicBearMan]

University of Missouri - Columbia is not very OOS friendly. They want strong ties to the state / area if you aren't a MO resident.

 

[Slack3r]

Don't bother applying to Texas schools, or any states surrounding Texas if you're applying in 2012-2013.


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EDIT: Or PCOM/ATSU/AZCOM/etc. for that matter.



Dang, that sucks. I was thinking about applying there next year.

Do they not accept OOS?

PCOM doesn't accept out of state?

 

[metallica81788]

LSU-NO, LSU-S, Mississippi, Arkansas, Florida schools, SC schools, etc... - mainly a lot of public state schools.

VCU is very California friendly.

 

[sshashid87]

PCOM doesn't accept out of state?

KTown seems to be applying to schools in and around Texas, as well as those osteopathic schools. I'm fairly certain it was a sarcastic/humorous "don't apply there so the applicant pool will be smaller and I'll be more likely to get in" statement than a real one. You can somewhat confirm this by the fact that s/he mentions 2012-2013, likely his/her planned application cycle.

However, Texas, Oklahoma, and schools like that (state schools) are not very OOS friendly, but that does not apply to the DO schools mentioned, definitely not for PCOM.

 

[MiniMoo]

VCU is very California friendly.

Except if your name starts with "Mini" and ends in "Moo".

Edit: Okay, I think I need to stop posting nonsense now and head to bed.

 

[ruiner]

KTown seems to be applying to schools in and around Texas, as well as those osteopathic schools. I'm fairly certain it was a sarcastic/humorous "don't apply there so the applicant pool will be smaller and I'll be more likely to get in" statement than a real one. You can somewhat confirm this by the fact that s/he mentions 2012-2013, likely his/her planned application cycle.

However, Texas, Oklahoma, and schools like that (state schools) are not very OOS friendly, but that does not apply to the DO schools mentioned, definitely not for PCOM.

Makes sense now. I also was very confused.

 

[fahimaz7]

Mercer (GA) accepts 0 OOS students. MCG (GA) accepts < 3

 

[mspeedwagon]

A dirty secret about UMass... the have not accepted any OOS applicants to their M.D. program in the last decade (they screen these applicants out long before it ever gets to the eyes of an admissions officer... I know this second hand (close friend of mine worked at UMass admissions sorting applications)).

I'm attending a school that accepts 0 oos students according to their website. Here's the dirty secret, Im an oos student. Oh KNOWS! Exceptions can always happen.

But don't apply to UMASS they just won't have any of that.

 

[Catalystik]

Forget about N Dakota, unless you went to HS there. They don't even use AMCAS.

 

[Hifey]

Drexel is very california friendly.

EVMS is also friendly to OOS

I actually got into an OOS public school that takes very few OOS but my interview day I was the only one.

 

[rockaction]

Case Western is super Cali-friendly. More Cali residents matriculated last year than Ohio residents!

 

[KTownGT]

KTown seems to be applying to schools in and around Texas, as well as those osteopathic schools. I'm fairly certain it was a sarcastic/humorous "don't apply there so the applicant pool will be smaller and I'll be more likely to get in" statement than a real one. You can somewhat confirm this by the fact that s/he mentions 2012-2013, likely his/her planned application cycle.

However, Texas, Oklahoma, and schools like that (state schools) are not very OOS friendly, but that does not apply to the DO schools mentioned, definitely not for PCOM.

*him*

I would never do that.

Honestly though, I've heard Texas and southwestern USA states STRONGLY favor in state applicants. Though, they are probably more friendly to nearby states.

Heck, some Oklahoma medical schools are closer drives than most universities/medical schools in Texas for me(DFW).

From what I've seen, DO schools are more OOS friendly than the average MD school.

 

[Dianyla]

Do not waste your time applying to the University of Washington.

QFT.

On the other hand, if you like the Pacific Northwest, OHSU is very friendly to out of state students, much to the dismay of Oregon residents who apply.

Indeed, we are dismayed. Then again, they're broke. They need the money.

 

[tiedyeddog]

Forgot Marshall university unless you have super strong ties to the state, and to a lesser extent WVU.

 

[pdxjazz]

QFT.

Indeed, we are dismayed. Then again, they're broke. They need the money.

Yes it really sucks applying out of Oregon. Our state school prefers OOS for their dollars, our next door neighbor (UW) won't even look at us, and all other medical schools are airplane ride$ away. 🙁

 

[sustentacular]

A dirty secret about UMass... the have not accepted any OOS applicants to their M.D. program in the last decade (they screen these applicants out long before it ever gets to the eyes of an admissions officer... I know this second hand (close friend of mine worked at UMass admissions sorting applications)).

This is no secret, it's stated pretty clearly on their website and in the MSAR.
"Current policy limits admission to the M.D. program to students who are Massachusetts residents"

 

[mspeedwagon]

I know. I was responding to zwitter who said there are schools that take no OOS applicants that make exceptions from time to time (zwitter said he/she goes to such a school). I just want to make sure people don't waste their money with UMass since this is NOT a school likely to make an exception.

This is no secret, it's stated pretty clearly on their website and in the MSAR.
"Current policy limits admission to the M.D. program to students who are Massachusetts residents"

 

[pdxjazz]

I think it would help if the MSAR included the number of "Acceptees" at each school. For example in the 2010-2011 MSAR, Indiana University only had 43 OOS matriculants for the 2008 entering class, yet when you read their info they encourage OOS students to apply and mention they actually accepted 179 OOS applicants for that year. The low matriculant numbers for some other public schools might not tell the whole story as well. I know from the FACTS data on the AAMC website that they do record this information, just don't list it for the institutions. The more info we have the better.

 

[dreamcrusher]

For OHSU what does it mean when they say they require 1 year of general biology to include a genetics course? 😕 Does that just mean your gen bio course has to have genetics covered?

 

[mspeedwagon]

OHSU is one of a handful of schools that requires a semester of genetics. KCUMB is an example of another.

For OHSU what does it mean when they say they require 1 year of general biology to include a genetics course? 😕 Does that just mean your gen bio course has to have genetics covered?

 

[Primate Bonobo]

For OHSU what does it mean when they say they require 1 year of general biology to include a genetics course? 😕 Does that just mean your gen bio course has to have genetics covered?

I'm almost certain they mean a separate genetics course... But they don't specify whether it can be a 100-level survey course or weather it has to be a 300/400 level course..

OHSU has a biochem requirement but can it be filled by a 200-level course?

 

[mspeedwagon]

Since my undergrad didn't get by different level courses, I can't comment in terms of levels. The genetics course needs to be a semester of genetics for biology majors. Same with their biochem requirement (the one designed for majors).

I'm almost certain they mean a separate genetics course... But they don't specify whether it can be a 100-level survey course or weather it has to be a 300/400 level course..

OHSU has a biochem requirement but can it be filled by a 200-level course?

 

[foofish]

I didn't follow your logic...and it worked for me. I got into a couple programs at schools that said they rarely accepted oos students. If you can make a VERY convincing argument at your interview of why THAT school is for you, (which also makes the interview go by really smooth), it plays to your advantage. Now obviously that is a double edged sword seeing how UMASS just jacked my 100 bucks and ran.

A dirty secret about UMass... the have not accepted any OOS applicants to their M.D. program in the last decade (they screen these applicants out long before it ever gets to the eyes of an admissions officer... I know this second hand (close friend of mine worked at UMass admissions sorting applications)).

Well, that's because in the case of UMass it's not just that they rarely take OOS applicants for the MD program, but the Massachusetts legislature mandated that admission to the MD program must be restricted to MA residents (the MD/PhD program is excepted from the restriction). It's not a dirty little secret, it's a legal requirement for admission, just like taking biology and orgo. 😉

http://www.umassmed.edu/som/admissions/residency.aspx

Since UMass states this explicitly (and elsewhere on the admissions site explicitly states that they don't refund application fees if you apply when you don't qualify), I'm a little less sympathetic since if someone applied OOS anyway it suggests they didn't even glance at their requirements before applying.

For schools where it isn't illegal to apply as an out of state applicant, then sure, sometimes it is certainly worth applying. If you have a local tie or strong reason to suggest you're serious about attending you have a shot.

 

[URHere]

The genetics course needs to be a semester of genetics for biology majors. Same with their biochem requirement (the one designed for majors).

This is true. A 100/200 level course should be just fine for either Genetics or Biochem as long as the course is devoted to that topic (hint: applicable courses will probably be titled either "Genetics" or "Biochemistry".)