What stereotypes apply to UCLA?

[JonnieQuest]

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Originally posted by Gleevec
Actually, if we are to judge an entire school's student body based on the posts of an anonymous individual on a premed board, not only do we have serious problems, but also I think your reputation on SDN is horrible BerkeleyPremed.

I really hope this is an act, because if you really are like this in real life, you are really missing out on college. Especially considering your sig is "Get in touch with your inner gunner...because he's dying to get in touch with you."

good point gleevac. sadly, i don't think it's an act...some people like to relive their glory days as 17-year-olds applying to undergrad schools. i thought this thread is kind of funny and until he started with the stats, i thought it was all in good fun and about UC rivals duking it out on a premed board. but when someone knows so much about undergrad stats, it's disturbing.

 

[BerkeleyPremed]

Originally posted by Joe Joe on da Radio
2004 US News Rankings...

Berkeley at #21
UCLA at #26

if 5 spots is the difference between "prestige" in your world, then i'd like to know what kind of crack your smoking...

Glad ya got a hold of those rankings. "Prestige" (an intangible factor) is very hard to measure and quantify. In my opinion, US News did a very respectable job of trying to quantify this intangible by using their peer assessment survey to gauge the reputation/prestige of schools (as seen through the eyes of the nation's deans, academics, researchers, etc.) Does a difference of 5 spots in the rankings determine which schools are prestigious and which ones are not? Nope. Does the academic reputation score given to each school give us a rough estimate of whether that school has a solid academic reputation or not? Definitely. Berkeley gets a 4.7...UCLAs score is not even close (I think it's a 3 point something...I'm not sure though).

 

[JonnieQuest]

wow, you're really serious about this stuff...i really hope you're doing this to be a punk because if you really live and breathe this rank crap, nobody on this board will want to go anywhere near berkeley...

i went to ucla, loved it, and i'm sure if i went anywhere else, i would love it too. not because of rank but because it would be somewhere i invested my time and had friends and memories. i hope that you really like berkeley for being your undergrad school not because USnews says its a few points higher than ucla...

this thread is getting old.

 

[Dr. Xavier]

Originally posted by BerkeleyPremed
and most importantly..quality of STUDENTS...Ladies and Gentleman..I give you Exhibit A (Dr. Xavier)..need I go on?

The quality of students are the kind that can take a joke, don't get your panties all in bunch, you didn't see my big smilely face. You're way too up tight berkelypremed. Did you apply to UCLA med? Let me know when you interview I'll make sure I get a chance to meet you that day.😀

 

[BerkeleyPremed]

Originally posted by JonnieQuest
good point gleevac. sadly, i don't think it's an act...some people like to relive their glory days as 17-year-olds applying to undergrad schools. i thought this thread is kind of funny and until he started with the stats, i thought it was all in good fun and about UC rivals duking it out on a premed board. but when someone knows so much about undergrad stats, it's disturbing.

lol...calm down..take a deep breath...breath in..hold...breath out...I worked as a peer college counselor when I was a high school senior. I got to work with lots of high school seniors applying to college and got meet lots of kids with lots of different goals in mind (I got work with kids hoping for an acceptance letter from Cal State-Long Beach...as well as kids worried to death about their upcoming Dartmouth interview). However, I realized I couldn't really help them with their application if I didn't know about the admissions process to a variety of colleges. So I did a little research (well..actually a lot) and came across lots of different rankings, statistics, articles about college admissions written by the Wall Street Journal, USA Today, etc. After awhile..whenever a kid walked into the college guidance office and asked for help narrowing down a list of schools to appy to or asked for help in finding schools that matched his interests...I knew exactly where to go to find the information I needed.

After the year was over, not only did I get to help dozens of people in applications process (and got to share in their excitement when they got accepted to their 1st choice..and tried to console them whey they got a rejection)..I also had a pretty solid understanding of the college admissions process. I knew exactly why certain schools were ranked where they were and why other schools were ranked higher/lower. Through my research, I had compiled a sizable archive of articles on college admissions, rankings of colleges and graduate programs from multiple sources, as well as student feedback from individual colleges. To make sure all of this didn't go to waste, I started my own campus organization dedicated to helping high school seniors from all over CA apply to the colleges of their choice. We have an information hotline as well as informative seminars being delivered at individual high schools. Whatever questions they might have...I'm ready to answer (and ready to refer them to sources where I got my info).

P.S.: I've supported everything I've said on here with the actual links to the info...proved someone wrong and put the evidence in his lap for him to see...yet..this makes me condescending? It means I have no sex life? lol...absolutely amazing

 

[DAL]

Originally posted by BerkeleyPremed
P.S.: I've supported everything I've said on here with the actual links to the info...proved someone wrong and put the evidence in his lap for him to see...yet..this makes me condescending? It means I have no sex life? lol...absolutely amazing

The way in which you say it makes you condescending. There are many ways to illustrate a point, and in case you haven't noticed, you do it in a way that often rubs people the wrong way.

 

[Gleevec]

Originally posted by BerkeleyPremed
To make sure all of this didn't go to waste, I started my own campus organization dedicated to helping high school seniors from all over CA apply to the colleges of their choice. We have an information hotline as well as informative seminars being delivered at individual high schools.

Do these seminars consist of telling these high schoolers that UCB is the only school in california worth going to, and that if you go elsewhere, you are going to an inferior college with inferior students (since the student bodies of all the other Cali schools are inferior, I guess that means people who want to goto those schools are inferior in your eyes as well?)... because these are all things YOU have said on this thread that I completely disagree with.

I fear for the high schoolers that have to listen to your nonsense, and I hope they find another source of accurate information by which to make a truly informed decision about which undergraduate school to attend.

 

[What the pho]

Originally posted by BerkeleyPremed
Yes, I admit that it means I have no sex life

 

[redrocky]

come on, who cares? when you get into medical school, no one is going to care whether you went to UCB or UCLA. your classmates won't care, your professors won't care, and the doctors that you encounter won't care either. it only matters to adcoms. once you get here, all that you or anyone else is going to care about is honoring your classes, rocking your boards, and getting matched. if that. no one cares, it doesn't matter. i went to UCD, i got accepted to UCB, and i chose not to apply to UCLA because i went to school in LA. oh yeah, usc offered me a scholarship and i didn't even apply to the school. point being, it's just like in college, no one really cares about where you went to high school. hey, i went to loyola high school in la. it's great to be proud of your school, but to go on like this is a little silly and pointless. best of luck to you.

 

[looseygoosey]

UCLA and Kal pale in comparison to UC Riverside. We all know which school is the best in California if not the world. GO Highlanders!!!!

 

[Street Philosopher]

UC Riverside isn't even next to a river. 😎

 

[JonnieQuest]

but it's da bomb UC! It's got temperatures just a lil' bit hotter than hell, a scenic desert, and it's approximately 1 hour to anywhere you want to go....otherwise, it's da bomb.

btw, who thought of putting a UC in Riverside? cali is huge, you'd think that there would be better places for a UC, like, Tahoe? Wouldn't that be great?! UC-Tahoe!

 

[BerkeleyPremed]

Originally posted by Gleevec
Do these seminars consist of telling these high schoolers that UCB is the only school in california worth going to, and that if you go elsewhere, you are going to an inferior college with inferior students (since the student bodies of all the other Cali schools are inferior, I guess that means people who want to goto those schools are inferior in your eyes as well?)... because these are all things YOU have said on this thread that I completely disagree with.

I fear for the high schoolers that have to listen to your nonsense, and I hope they find another source of accurate information by which to make a truly informed decision about which undergraduate school to attend.

lol...You have no clue what you're talking about. First of all, you made up stuff I never said and then started to refute the arguments that you concocted on your own. I never said that Berkeley is the only school in CA worth going to (I would easily cede that Stanford is a better school...as is Claremont McKenna and Pomona College). Will I cede that UCLA is equivalent or better? NO. Do I have good reason not to cede that point? YES. (see the links above) I never said that that all the other colleges in CA are inferior and have inferior students...as for you disagreeing with me..how is that possible if I haven't even made any of these statements.

Your post is absolutely pathetic...why don't you actually try to support anything you say? (quote me..find a quote where I said that Berkeley is only school in CA worth going to and all others are inferior..you claim I said it...your evidence? oh wait..you have none..sorry). In addition...what you're saying makes no sense whatsoever. The VAST majority of high school seniors in CA will not have their eyes set on admission to Stanford, Berkeley, UCLA or any of California's tier 1 schools...Why would I even mention my school when I know that 98% of them won't even apply there? They're kids from middle class or lower-middle class families who just want to get into A college..not a top college. I respect their decisions and I will continue to work with them to figure out what schools match their interests, what schools they should apply to based on their stats, and figuring out how they can go about paying for their 4 years of undergraduate work. I've helped kids get fee waivers for SATs, fee waivers for their applications to the California State University system, as well as apply to FAFSA for financial aid. You claim I go to high schools and try to push Berkeley on them? And of course...you have absolutely nothing to support this.

As for my comments in this thread..have I not posted the EVIDENCE for all my assertions so everyone can check and validate my info (in several cases..I didn't post the actual link and just stated that I have it and if anyone asks to see it...I can post it...I stand behind this 100%). What have I said that is so outrageous? Is it the content of the links I've posted that you have objection to? If so..take it up with the National Research Council or US News...don't try to bash me for it.

As for the high schoolers that you "fear for"...do you actually think that the college counselors at their underprivileged high schools are dying to spend time with these kids and help them through the process? Do you actually think these kids can afford private college counselors that charge $50-$100/hour for their services? Sorry...outreach programs (like Upward Bound, Mesa, Puente, Head Start) as well as non-profit organizations (College Summit) are what really make the difference at these high schools. I'd like to think that ..on a smaller scale...I'm also making a difference (as well as the volunteers I work with) whenever I convince a high school senior to enroll at his local community college and at least give college a chance.. before he applies for a job at his local Safeway.

My organization helps CA high school students apply to any college of their choice...we don't just spit out rankings because I know how meaningless rankings are past the tier 1 schools. All of the kids I've worked with have had access to my database of college admissions info..and chances are, my filing cabinet is better stocked with this info than than the college guidance office at their high school (which is very sad). You hope they can find "another source of accurate information" so they can make an "informed decision"...umm...what comments have I made that are so inaccurate? Again...you fail to provide any semblance of evidence...your comments really are meaningless.

 

[Street Philosopher]

BerkeleyPremed, are you a member of MENSA?

 

[BerkeleyPremed]

Originally posted by Street Philosopher
BerkeleyPremed, are you a member of MENSA?

nope.

 

[dan0909]

have u ever TRIED to become a member?

 

[Gleevec]

BerkeleyPremed,
You have serious problems with reading comprehension and argumentation that make it impossible for anyone to have an intelligent conversation with you. I am going to clarify some points and then leave this thread to the garbage can it has become:

1. You say I have no evidence for you implying that students at once school are inferior to another:

Exihibit A:
"Throughout this whole thread...all I've been saying is that UCLA isn't as good as its neighbor up north..in terms of research, faculty quality...and most importantly..quality of STUDENTS...Ladies and Gentleman..I give you Exhibit A (Dr. Xavier)..need I go on?" -- BerkeleyPreMed

Thus, you say the quality of students are inferior at other california schools.

Anyone with the ability to think logically would then ask, how can someone who thinks other school's students are inferior ADVISE STUDENTS ON SCHOOL CHOICE. Unless your service is a UCB recruitment vehicle, at which point you are lying about it helping kids made education choices about colleges, you are saying that inferior students are present at other schools. Thus, as any applicant who desires to go to such a school is a putative member of that community upon acceptance, he is a member of an "inferior student body" ie, he is inferior.

The rest of your post is utter junk and not even worth replying to. In any case, no one with your attitude should be in any position of influence with the younger generation, considering as how you feel the students at other schools are inferior. The service you claim to provide is useless within your personal background, as you are simply treating these students as inferiors as opposed to equals-- the greatest sin of service.

You obviously have a lot of personality and analysis issues to work out, and I hope you do no adversely affect any of these high schoolers with your hubris. I reiterate, I do fear for the high schoolers regarding the advice you provide, as you view them simply as inferiors (if they do not plan on going to UCB). I hope others in the organization are more open-minded and caring in regards to these individuals than you seem to be.

Haha MENSA, good one Street. Im done with this thread, its beyond repair. Bye.

 

[R_C_Hutchinson]

i think it's funny that a premed at berkeley, who, for what its worth, registered under the name berkeleypremed, has time to post lengthy diatribes bashing schools other than his own. If UCLA is so far below you, then why does it get you so fired up?

enough of this, i officially retire from this thread, all points have been make and arguments stated, im off to get sauced with my friends.

 

[UCLAstudent]

Sounds like BerkeleyPremed's getting a little defensive...

 

[What the pho]

Originally posted by BerkeleyPremed
nope, I'm a member of BENSA. Berkeley Ediot Needs Some Azz

 

[BerkeleyPremed]

Originally posted by Gleevec
BerkeleyPremed,
You have serious problems with reading comprehension and argumentation that make it impossible for anyone to have an intelligent conversation with you. I am going to clarify some points and then leave this thread to the garbage can it has become:

1. You say I have no evidence for you implying that students at once school are inferior to another:

Exihibit A:
"Throughout this whole thread...all I've been saying is that UCLA isn't as good as its neighbor up north..in terms of research, faculty quality...and most importantly..quality of STUDENTS...Ladies and Gentleman..I give you Exhibit A (Dr. Xavier)..need I go on?" -- BerkeleyPreMed

Thus, you say the quality of students are inferior at other california schools.

Anyone with the ability to think logically would then ask, how can someone who thinks other school's students are inferior ADVISE STUDENTS ON SCHOOL CHOICE. Unless your service is a UCB recruitment vehicle, at which point you are lying about it helping kids made education choices about colleges, you are saying that inferior students are present at other schools. Thus, as any applicant who desires to go to such a school is a putative member of that community upon acceptance, he is a member of an "inferior student body" ie, he is inferior.

The rest of your post is utter junk and not even worth replying to. In any case, no one with your attitude should be in any position of influence with the younger generation, considering as how you feel the students at other schools are inferior. The service you claim to provide is useless within your personal background, as you are simply treating these students as inferiors as opposed to equals-- the greatest sin of service.

You obviously have a lot of personality and analysis issues to work out, and I hope you do no adversely affect any of these high schoolers with your hubris. I reiterate, I do fear for the high schoolers regarding the advice you provide, as you view them simply as inferiors (if they do not plan on going to UCB). I hope others in the organization are more open-minded and caring in regards to these individuals than you seem to be.

Haha MENSA, good one Street. Im done with this thread, its beyond repair. Bye.

Again...you just reinforce your own stupidity. I USE SAT AVERAGES to gauge student quality at different schools. INFERIOR AND SUPERIOR are VALUE JUDGMENTS made by people regarding other people (specifically...insecure people). Do I think anyone who attends X school which has a lower SAT average than Y school is inferior to people at Y school? NO. I never said anyone was inferior to anyone else...that was just a comment born out of idiocy (a comment made by you..of course). Do I think that the student body at Harvard or Princeton is stronger than the student body at CSU-Dominguez Hills (stronger academically that is)? YES. Do I have sufficient reason to think so based upon the statistics released by Princeton Review and US News regarding the academic qualifications of students at these schools? YES. Do I think anyone at CSU-Dominguez Hills is inferior (as a person or as a student) to any random person from Stanford? NO...it makes no sense...how can you assign labels such as "inferior/superior" when comparing students based on SAT scores?

Clearly, the person here with reading comprehension problems is you. I use SAT averages just to compare the academic qualifications of STUDENTS at different schools. Let me break this down so it might sink into your thick head...If Person Y gets a higher SAT score than Person X...that does not mean that Person Y is SUPERIOR to Person X...it just means college adcoms will probably feel he is academically more qualified to handle college level work. How can you be this dense? YOU placed the label "inferior" on people..not me. Yes..we can compare student quality between schools by using objective factors like GPA, SAT, etc...however..that just means that certain schools with have people who performed better (academically) in HIGH SCHOOL...no one is saying that it means the students at one school are inferior to the students at another school.


P.S.: My remark about Dr. Xavier and the UCLA student body was just a knock on UCLA...lol...you..being an idiot..took it seriously because you responded with.."OMG!!! You think students there are inferior!"

 

[jlee9531]

Originally posted by Street Philosopher
UC Riverside isn't even next to a river. 😎

that was one of the funniest things i must have read this week haha. so random it just blew my mind haha.

but anyways....

lets calm down guys.

Berkeley rules UCLA drools hahaha jk.

UCs rock. Bring it on Ivys. 😉

 

[raviucla]

I found an interesting link from the UC Office of the President page. UC Berkeley has only a 7-point SAT-I edge on UCLA (1347 vs. 1340) for admitted students for the 2003 year.

http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/senate/committees/boars/yr2compreview.pdf

Page 10, take a gander.

 

[~EnnI~]

Man, look at all of these UCLA undergrads. If I ever bumped into any of you.... well, I wouldn't know it, but still. That would be funny.

Originally posted by BerkeleyPremed
...if you have an Asian fetish..I suppose you could indulge yourself at UCLA).

Or if you have an Indian fetish... take your freaking pick.

Originally posted by Street Philosopher
I also chose UCLA over Berkeley.

Same here. I wouldn't have minded Berkeley so much at the time of my acceptance, but after going to UCLA for over a year now, I'm happy I stayed.

 

[jlee9531]

my only question is when this thread is gonna die down haha.....

 

[jay16942]

*Yawn*