What We Need

[Noyac]

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Without any good studies out currently and the fact that studies take time, we need some other means to followup on unsupervised nursing care in a qualitative and quantitative manner. We need legislative ideas that we can bring forward. Things like mandatory reporting and analysis of transfers from rural facilities in order to collect the data and really tell what is going on at these facilities.

Anyone have ideas? Let's hear them.

 

[Coastie]

CRNAs pick random physician names in random locales and try to connect them to anonymous docs on SDN.

What a child this militant murse is....They use thug tactics and legislative maneuvers to gain what they could never gain using old fashioned hard work, raw intelligence, and business smarts.

How the American people could want murses to practice solo medicine is beyond me.

 

[ProRealDoc]

Can someone remove this entire thread?

 

[Noyac]

Can someone remove this entire thread?

Why?

 

[IlDestriero]

CRNAs pick random physician names in random locales and try to connect them to anonymous docs on SDN.

What a child this militant murse is....They use thug tactics and legislative maneuvers to gain what they could never gain using old fashioned hard work, raw intelligence, and business smarts.

How the American people could want murses to practice solo medicine is beyond me.

Can someone remove this entire thread?

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deleted posts?

 

[Coastie]

Without any good studies out currently and the fact that studies take time, we need some other means to followup on unsupervised nursing care in a qualitative and quantitative manner. We need legislative ideas that we can bring forward. Things like mandatory reporting and analysis of transfers from rural facilities in order to collect the data and really tell what is going on at these facilities.

Anyone have ideas? Let's hear them.

University centers could design a study and carry it out...They have the time and manpower resources...I don't know if community paperwork will fix it.

No ideas at the moment on the best way to do it.

 

[ProRealDoc]

Why?

Didn't agree with the person who was throwing names out there in hopes of intimidating posters. I see they have been edited though.

 

[IlDestriero]

Didn't agree with the person who was throwing names out there in hopes of intimidating posters. I see they have been edited though.

I don't know what's weaker, murse internet threats/intimidation or their anesthesia ability.

 

[Arch Guillotti]

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deleted posts?

Yes.

Certain posts are deleted as quickly as possible because the militant nurses come on here and try to intimidate users, which we have zero tolerance for here.

Unfortunately, this is not the first time this has happened and sadly it is probably not the last.

Militant nurses cannot stand to hear the TRUTH.

 

[pd4emergence]

Please go to the ASA website and do a search for AQI. They are setting up a database of both private and academic centers for patient safety issues. The recent much reported solo CRNA studies were based on CMS billing data and voluntary reporting. In other words useless other than to promote their political agenda. You have to log in to read about it or I would post the link. Those of us who supervise all believe that it is safer with us there. This is a way for us to both prove it and for us to show that our specialty is the reason anesthesia has become as safe as it has, and that we are the stewards of patient safety and not just interested in pushing an agenda not based on real data. When you get some time take a look. Hopefully this will give us some valid data to fight these heavily biased studies that seem to show up every few years.

 

[WaveEquation]

There has to be a way for us to regularly show-up the CRNAs regarding expertise and management of patients both intraoperatively and peri-op. They do not have the strong theoretical background and they have taken a path of much less resistance in securing their relatively weak credentials. Getting into CRNA school requires a GRE score of 1000! To me it seems like it's a competition akin to that between a student doing a Bachelor of Physics and an astrophysicist. How do we deliver more impressive care beyond their capabilities professionally?

CRNAs don't even understand a lot of what they do. I recall an OR nurse in surgery trying to tell me about a patient with Osteogenesis Imperfecta. He was a snotty-little-I-think-I-know-it-all troublemaker in front of surgeons and he embarrassed me. I returned the favor by asking him what type of OI. He just shrugged his shoulders and walked away.

 

[cfdavid]

Yes.

Certain posts are deleted as quickly as possible because the militant nurses come on here and try to intimidate users, which we have zero tolerance for here.

Unfortunately, this is not the first time this has happened and sadly it is probably not the last.

Militant nurses cannot stand to hear the TRUTH.

Strong work Arch.👍

 

[deleted50478]

Getting into CRNA school requires a GRE score of 1000! To me it seems like it's a competition akin to that between a student doing a Bachelor of Physics and an astrophysicist. How do we deliver more impressive care beyond their capabilities professionally?

CRNA competition:

Physician competition:

We're the best in our league! We are as good as anyone! You can't prove that we can't beat you!

 

[deleted126335]

Yes.

Certain posts are deleted as quickly as possible because the militant nurses come on here and try to intimidate users, which we have zero tolerance for here.

Unfortunately, this is not the first time this has happened and sadly it is probably not the last.

Militant nurses cannot stand to hear the TRUTH.

It is also true that the best does not always win. We are not winning at this point.

 

[Consigliere]

I don't know what's weaker, murse internet threats/intimidation or their anesthesia ability.

Definitely their anesthesia "ability".