What will you do with YOUR DVM?

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This is something I've been thinking about. I can currently say, without much diversity of veterinary experience, that I'm torn between wanting to go into a feline only practice (at least eventually) with a specialty in feline behaviour or going into emergency medicine (and probably simultaneously practicing as a feline behaviourist). What I'm ultimately hoping to do is call some places in April and do a follow-up. I have one general practice clinic that recommended I call back in April, but I would like to contact the feline-only practice and see if they allow pre-vets to shadow and/or volunteer, and then I'll weigh up my options. The local emergency clinic seems to primarily want someone with experience, so I'm thinking that might be a goal to aim for next year! Need to get some general practice in there first. 🙂 A lot of this has been on my mind lately because I graduate after next Thursday and have a free block of time (mostly) until August, when I start school again to hop on the three year track to completing my science pre-reqs. :highfive:

So... for those who are pre-vet and those who are in school currently, what do YOU want to do with YOUR DVM?
 
I 110% know I will never go into general practice. I worked in a clinic for a year an a half and have had all I can take. I actually quit Tuesday in the middle of my shift (boss always felt the need to break you down to the verge of tears) which I have never done before :meanie: ! Anyway... I want to do zoo or laboratory! I applaud you wanting to do feline only. I am pretty sure they are satan in furry little bodies lol and my arms/hands are the proof.
 
when I start school again to hop on the three year track to completing my science pre-reqs. :highfive:

Woo 3 year plan :laugh:

Well, honestly, I'm not entirely sure. At first when I got involved with Vets Without Borders I thought I had found my calling (my interests were described by my interviewer at k-state as international medicine, whatever that quite entails). Basically, working abroad, managing diseases, maybe some spiffy diagnostic world, help educate the locals and boost their animal agriculture, seems pretty cool right?

...But now that I've been doing research recently I've found myself becoming more interested in the academic side of things, and less with the clinical aspect. I'm not sure if I would be satisfied being in clinical practice for the rest of my career, but at the same time I'm a bit nervous about going for a specialty and/or PhD after my DVM and fighting the battle to be a researcher and get grant money and all the uncertainties that come with that area.

I know a lot of people go into vet school unsure of their future and I'm definitely one of them. I have a couple general areas of interest (working abroad, zoonotic disease, pathology) but I don't really know the specifics of what discipline, where, and how I'll end up turning these interests into a future career. I'm hoping the next few years of school will be enlightening to me in more ways than just what I learn to pass my courses, and that the answers to these questions will find me.

In the meantime,

TL;DR; Pffft, beats me.
 
I 110% know I will never go into general practice. I worked in a clinic for a year an a half and have had all I can take. I actually quit Tuesday in the middle of my shift (boss always felt the need to break you down to the verge of tears) which I have never done before :meanie: ! Anyway... I want to do zoo or laboratory! I applaud you wanting to do feline only. I am pretty sure they are satan in furry little bodies lol and my arms/hands are the proof.

Haha. I adore kitties and like to think I'm pretty good with them, too. I've had success with a lot of temperaments and have so far been able to calm one cat down entirely while getting a blood draw due to finding what I call their "calming points" (not out of vanity but because I have no idea what you call them! Pressure points? Soft spots? :laugh:) which are different in every cat, but I find most have a button that eases them at least somewhat. Utilizing the cat blink has helped as well! I'm sure a cat will find some way to humble me, though. :laugh: Can't have me thinking I'm the boss...

What is laboratory exactly? I mean I'm sure it's exactly what it sounds like, but it seems like you'd be working on a lot of apes and rats? 😱 I know I sound ignorant but the first time I saw it mentioned was on SDN actually. Zoo medicine sounds pretty neat too, though. The dental vet I work for got to clean the teeth of both a lion and tiger and maaaan, I only saw photos, but that would have been simultaneously nifty and intimidating. 😛

Woo 3 year plan :laugh:

Well, honestly, I'm not entirely sure. At first when I got involved with Vets Without Borders I thought I had found my calling (my interests were described by my interviewer at k-state as international medicine, whatever that quite entails). Basically, working abroad, managing diseases, maybe some spiffy diagnostic world, help educate the locals and boost their animal agriculture, seems pretty cool right?

...But now that I've been doing research recently I've found myself becoming more interested in the academic side of things, and less with the clinical aspect. I'm not sure if I would be satisfied being in clinical practice for the rest of my career, but at the same time I'm a bit nervous about going for a specialty and/or PhD after my DVM and fighting the battle to be a researcher and get grant money and all the uncertainties that come with that area.

I know a lot of people go into vet school unsure of their future and I'm definitely one of them. I have a couple general areas of interest (working abroad, zoonotic disease, pathology) but I don't really know the specifics of what discipline, where, and how I'll end up turning these interests into a future career. I'm hoping the next few years of school will be enlightening to me in more ways than just what I learn to pass my courses, and that the answers to these questions will find me.

In the meantime,

TL;DR; Pffft, beats me.

Possibly a 2-year plan, we'll see what happens, but nothing like 6-7 straight years of undergrad. 😛

Those all sound like pretty neat areas of interest, however! I have never been particularly interested in the academic/research side of things, but I have always admired people who are, because I definitely think that it's a very necessary component to vet med. Do you know if it's underserved? I know you mentioned getting grant money and "fighting to be a researcher," but at least in psychology, I know that though the positions are competitive, there's actually a great lack of researchers in academia, since most people go on to get their PhDs and PsyDs so that they can practice clinical.

The idea of going and working abroad sounds fantastic, as well! I definitely wish you much luck and success in your journey of figuring it out. I know that for me, it was a quote from one of my professors, in my junior year, that made me realise I'd spent three years running away from science and medicine and that I needed to stop running. It was definitely through undergrad that, even with the same major all four years, I came to terms with what I truly wanted to do and so I am definitely sure that if that clarity is what you intend to get out of veterinary school, you'll get it. 🙂
 
IDEALLY: Work in a small animal emergency/general practice (like I do now), and volunteer my time with community outreach/education/non-profit work.

REALISTICALLY: Work in a small animal general practice and spend my off time picking up relief shifts at other practices 45 minutes away.

Sorry, just trying to be honest.
 
This actually has me in a funk right now because there are 2 things in veterinary medicine that have me just foaming at the mouth: zoo work, and pathology.

Both require extensive, highly competitive post-DVM training, and the hubby has been patient enough to stick with me as it is; I can't keep asking him to put his career (and our family) on hold while I struggle just to get the credentials I need for a job that might not exist.

Not to mention I am done stressing about my grades.

On the other hand, I'm a huge proponent of the One Health movement and I'm hoping (praying, really) that at some point in the next three years, something really freaking cool will pop up that I will be all about that won't require anything beyond the extra semester of capstone work for my MPH. That would just be perfect.
 
Seemed like a good place to look at my own thoughts!

My ultimate plan is to become a clinical researcher at a teaching facility- it will be interesting to see where it actually goes. .

here's my story/rant if you are interested!

I have a PhD in biochemistry and molecular biology and have spent the last three years studying viral vector mediated gene therapy for lysosomal storage diseases (laminitis and OA too!). I have always thought that the DVM degree would be a powerful addition to the PhD, knowledge-wise only, as it is true that depending on your type of research the DVM is not necessary, or vice versa. I have been warned that it, most likely, will not boost my chances for funding like an MD, but I felt that since I work with mouse, rat, cat, and dog models and do additional studies in horses and NHPs that I owed them the respect of knowing exactly what I am doing and how to interpret what they tell us.
My fav analogy is " visiting a foreign country but not knowing how to speak the language". . .yeah sure, you'll still have a great time - but I think it would have been less superficial of an experience having an indepth understanding of what is going on in your immediate environment.

ahhh. . .that felt good. . .I feel like I have to constantly remind myself why the massive debt will be worth it!
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I'm still pre-vet, but as a mature student I have a pretty good idea of where I want to go. I'd like to get a specialty in equine surgery after my DVM and go into specialty practice doing lameness/sports medicine and hopefully some orthopedics on horses. I know that the average horse owner won't pay for surgical fracture repair, but surgery for DOD lesions is getting more and more common and there is a market for repair work with top sport horses (the goal is usually to preserve breeding soundness rather than a return to top competition) and that's the market I'd like to target. Realistically you have to pretty much be the best of the best to do that, though, so we'll see if it pans out. But holy dream job!!!
 
Am I supposed to know the answer to this?

I still have three years to figure this out... :laugh:

I have come up with: SA private practice owning my own clinic, to food animal medicine, to specializing in any of the following: critical care/emergency, cardiology, dermatology, neurology (until it pissed me off recently)....... I am sure there will be more that I think, "Hmm... I could do that."

Not ready to make a decision yet.
 
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As of now (Which could obviously change as I go through vet school) I really love doing sports medicine with racehorses. I basically grew up at a standardbred race track and would love to continue my career there. I also love reproductive work with horses and I'm hoping I can combine the two like the vets I shadowed did. But, I'm open to other possibilities/opportunities as they arise!
 
🙁 I don't know yet. I feel like I should have a vague idea at this point. Truthfully, the things that I am most interested in are the ones that I haven't had any experience with.
 
Ultimately, I would like to work with aquatics whether this is at an aquarium, aquaculture facility, or diagnostic laboratory. I know the field is very competitive and I understand that I will need further education - internship, residency, or additional degree. Can't quite say where I will be within the next five years financially so I'm going to reserve all judgement until I'm at least closer to graduation. Also I will need to consider my SO and where his career is going. It might end up that I'll have to do small or mixed animal for a while.
 
I was thinking about getting DVM tattooed on my left buttcheek.

In all honesty, I used to want to do equine orthopedics/surgery, but it's incredibly competitive and the pay is really crappy.

I'll have a PhD and a DVM when I finish up here, after all that I'll still need an internship year and residency and then maybe a post-doc if I really want a "quality" research career. It's kinda crazy when I think about it. I've started leaning towards Lab Animal Medicine, because it is pretty intellectually stimulating, would compliment the PhD well, the pay is better, and the variety of places to live and work is greatly increased. I'm hoping I get into it and find that I enjoy it.

If instead I decide to go with 14 year old FH's dreams and take the equine route, I'll almost certainly end up working at a veterinary school (which I don't have a problem with- just there's only a few vet school cities that I'd really enjoy living in). I was trying to explain it to someone the other day. We were discussing careers and how low-paying vet med is and he was like "Well all you've talked about is working at a vet school what if you just work at a regular vet clinic." I think I sounded really snotty when I immediately was like, "Well, I'll be over-educated for that." He laughed forever and was all "did you just say you'd be overeducated for a job that requires you have a professional doctorate." I then explained that while I eventually may decide to go into private practice, my program would consider it basically a failure if the instant I finished I packed up my bags, said goodbye academia, and started working in private practice. Once I explained it that way he understood.

So we shall see. Odds are Lab Animal Medicine at a big university where I could run a lab and teach some classes.
 
My "plan" right now is to go into small animal private practice. I would love to practice (or own) a feline-specific practice but I don't know how financially realistic that is. I am really passionate about cats but I do get discouraged when I read statistics like "39% of cat owners say they would only take their cat to the veterinarian if the cat was sick" (http://catfriendlypractice.catvets.com/Research-and-Trends.aspx). I live in NYC right now and we see a pretty even mix of cats and dogs at my clinic (probably even more cats than dogs if I really counted) and our clients are the best - most are willing to pay for diagnostics, they respect the profession, and most don't completely balk at our prices (which are incredibly high, given the location). We definitely don't have a "cat problem" here. So maybe it's just a matter or practicing in the right location, where there are ample cat owners who are willing to pay for treatment?

I'm also interested in internal medicine but being a non-trad, I don't think I can justify the added debt of doing an internship + residency.
 
I was thinking of doing an equine specialty, either sports med or internal med but the comfort and pay of small animal work is always nipping at my heels...

Answer: I'll do whatever looks the most enticing and pays the best.
 
Lab animal medicine. In reference to your earlier question about it, it entails working with basically any species that the researchers want to use! I spent three years at my undergrad's lab animal facility and worked with mice, rats, ferrets, bats, geckos, turtles, parakeets, small parrots, barn owls, chickens, sheep and even Caymen crocodiles. Pigs are another popular research model, and some facilities may use horses or cows; "apes" (we call them non-human primates 😉) are also used in the larger institutions. Obviously the small, cheap guys (mice, rats) are most popular but the opportunity to work with so many different species is super appealing to me, personally.
 
I was thinking about getting DVM tattooed on my left buttcheek.

Have you thought about what type of font you would use? I have heard watercolor tattoos are all the rage. You may want to consider incorporating that style into your butt-art tattoo. :naughty:
 
I have an overarching interest in animal welfare, and would love to end up either in academia able to research/teach on the subject, or possibly even a position with the AVMA or other large animal groups. None of that is something that is going to happen right out of school, though, so I've got a pretty large interest in small animal specialty. I do a lot of our selectives and wetlabs for lab animal, too, but I don't see it as a field where I could thrive without eventually shooting myself.

With that said, my grades kind of suck, so I'm trying to make sure I have a very strong small animal backbone with clinical proficiency in small exotics, too, so if I end up on that path I can be good at it and not get too bored.
 
I've started leaning towards Lab Animal Medicine, because it is pretty intellectually stimulating, would compliment the PhD well, the pay is better, and the variety of places to live and work is greatly increased. I'm hoping I get into it and find that I enjoy it.

I lean this way too! Minus the PhD- might just do the residency/Masters if it is included in the residency. I don't know for sure. I've heard lab animal med can allow you to work with a variety of species if you play your cards right. But I need to see how things pan out while I'm actually in vet school. There's a lot of stuff I haven't even looked into yet, and I think like most people I'm going to be exposed to other interesting parts of the profession while in school.
 
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With my DVM I'll be starting a laboratory animal medicine residency program at UPenn in July. 😀 After that... find a job, haha. My goal is to work in academia as a clinical lab animal vet for while. Academia is much more interesting to me than industry because of the kinds of research, the variety of species, the overall environment, and the teaching opportunities - all things that I love. Long term goal is to transition into a more administrative role, like director of a facility.

To the person who asked what lab animal medicine is... it's a lot more than working on apes and rats. Actually, there are extremely few apes even used in research anymore. The answer to what a lab animal vet does is not simple or short, but I'll try. It's basically being the clinical veterinarian to ALL of the animals used in biomedical research (just to name a few: mice, rats, rabbits, guinea pigs, chinchillas, hamsters, macaques, marmosets, sheep, calves, pigs, dogs, cats, bats, zebra fish, xenopus... the list really goes on and on - these are just the ones I have experience with!). So that includes treating animals for medical concerns just like any other vet. But it also involves research support (helping investigators with protocols, anesthesia/analgesia, etc.), facility maintenance, ensuring regulatory compliance, training of research and veterinary personnel, etc. I love it because it's mentally stimulating (around all of the most cutting edge research!), every day is different, and I get to practice medicine (which of course I love) on a large variety of species. Okay, getting off my YAY LAM! soapbox...
 
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With my DVM I'll be starting a laboratory animal medicine residency program at UPenn in July. 😀 After that... find a job, haha. My goal is to work in academia as a clinical lab animal vet for while. Academia is much more interesting to me than industry because of the kinds of research, the variety of species, the overall environment, and the teaching opportunities - all things that I love. Long term goal is to transition into a more administrative role, like director of a facility.

To the person who asked what lab animal medicine is... it's a lot more than working on apes and rats. Actually, there are extremely few apes even used in research anymore. The answer to what a lab animal vet does is not simple or short, but I'll try. It's basically being the clinical veterinarian to ALL of the animals used in biomedical research (just to name a few: mice, rats, rabbits, guinea pigs, chinchillas, hamsters, macaques, marmosets, sheep, calves, pigs, dogs, cats, bats, zebra fish, xenopus... the list really goes on and on - these are just the ones I have experience with!). So that includes treating animals for medical concerns just like any other vet. But it also involves research support (helping investigators with protocols, anesthesia/analgenia, etc.), facility maintenance, ensuring regulatory compliance, training of research and veterinary personnel, etc. I love it because it's mentally stimulating (around all of the most cutting edge research!), every day is different, and I get to practice medicine (which of course I love) on a large variety of species. Okay, getting off my YAY LAM! soapbox...

JJ- LAM is one of the few specialties that doesn't require an internship right? One more point for lab animal medicine. I'm super interested in regenerative medicine, and the army has a lab animal residency position that I would LOVE to go for (they do super awesome regenerative medicine stuff), but you have to get accepted to their reserve officer program, etc first.
 
JJ- LAM is one of the few specialties that doesn't require an internship right? One more point for lab animal medicine. I'm super interested in regenerative medicine, and the army has a lab animal residency position that I would LOVE to go for (they do super awesome regenerative medicine stuff), but you have to get accepted to their reserve officer program, etc first.

Yep, no internship. You can go straight into residency out of vet school. There are some programs that prefer that you have a small animal internship first, but those are just a few.

The army program has an absolutely stellar reputation, and is deemed one of the best LAM residency programs by leaders in the field. They also have the best overall ACLAM board pass rate! So it's a good goal to shoot for!
 
Have you thought about what type of font you would use? I have heard watercolor tattoos are all the rage. You may want to consider incorporating that style into your butt-art tattoo. :naughty:

see, my right hip already has a giant horseshoe on it, so I figure DVM on the left buttcheek, serves as a reminder that no matter what position I'm in at the moment, I'm still a doctor. :naughty::naughty::naughty:

will definitely look into watercolor, but i was thinking full on cheesy, like have the D be a surgical mask, the V a stethoscope, and the M made out of syringes....
 
The army program has an absolutely stellar reputation, and is deemed one of the best LAM residency programs by leaders in the field. They also have the best overall ACLAM board pass rate! So it's a good goal to shoot for!

I'm working with the army this summer - SO excited 😀
 
The army program has an absolutely stellar reputation, and is deemed one of the best LAM residency programs by leaders in the field. They also have the best overall ACLAM board pass rate! So it's a good goal to shoot for!

I should really look into that then. I just don't know how it would work with the whole DVM/PhD thing. Literally one of my career dreams is to work for the Armed Forces Institute for Regenerative Medicine.
 
I was thinking of doing an equine specialty, either sports med or internal med but the comfort and pay of small animal work is always nipping at my heels...

Answer: I'll do whatever looks the most enticing and pays the best.

I'm feeling along the same lines...:laugh: But I think I would hate myself for selling out to SA in the end.

I LOVE all things repro. LOVE LOVE LOVE it. 😍 So I would like to further study therio, but that's something I am going to hold off on until I start vet school to really decide.
 
I originally wanted to go the public health/epidemiology route but I was always worried that I'd miss the actual medicine part of vet med. I was worried that I wouldn't get enough hands on time with animals. Plus I'm at the point were I really don't want to spend more time in school.

First year I found out about lab animal medicine and now I'm leaning pretty heavily that way. The variety! I love the idea of working with so many different species! So I'm thinking about a lab animal residency.
 
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I'd like to specialize in small animal surgery, and possibly one day work at OVC (teaching, research, and still doing clinical work).
 
General practice, with an interest in nutrition and internal medicine. I could care less about surgery... But give me a complicated medicine case that has nutritional components (diabetes, renal disease, etc) and I'm one happy camper.

Not sure if I will attempt internship and residency at this point....but maybe.
 
Oh man! This decision is one that ultimately made me want to BE veterinarian. I definitely, at least at some point, want to work with Veterinarians Without Borders (http://www.vwb-vsf.ca)! I think that would really be an extraordinarily humbling opportunity.
I have thought about doing a specialty though, I'm really liking the idea of going into radiology right now - who knows though, that could change.
I don't even know for sure if I want to pursue large anima, small animal or mixed yet even! Gah!
 
Simply put, small animal medicine with a focus on exotics (preferably of the pocket pet variety). I also have interests in animal welfare and parisitology. The only reason I have not really considered anything else is because I lack the experience. This may change if I actually get the opportunity to go to vet school.
 
Food animals. Mainly pigs and cows(beef/dairy). Been looking at Public Health and government areas lately.

Still have 2+ years before I even apply, so it could change. :laugh:
 
Ideally I'd like to work zoo/wildlife medicine with an emphasis on rehabilitation, but i'll have bills to pay and will probably end up working in a SA or emergency practice for a while. If I can find a private practice with exotic work, that'd work out well but loans cost too much to be too picky. I have a fiance that's sweet enough to follow me to wherever I go and hold off his own education for me to finish mine, so I can't really go into extensive internships or anything. I'll probably do some volunteer work with rehabilitation groups while I'm working.
 
After working in the ICU of an emergency and specialty clinic for so long, I don't know that I could ever be excited about gp. Right now I *think* I want to do ER/CC. I love the variety and the excitement. I also really like cardiology. But who knows... maybe that will change completely and I'll want to go into gp.

Also, those are all for SA. I don't have much experience in any other field at this point except wildlife rehab (which I also like). So... I guess I could find something else in vet school that I fall completely in love with that has nothing to do with SA. I'm going to keep an open mind. 😀
 
Oh man! This decision is one that ultimately made me want to BE veterinarian. I definitely, at least at some point, want to work with Veterinarians Without Borders (http://www.vwb-vsf.ca)! I think that would really be an extraordinarily humbling opportunity.
I have thought about doing a specialty though, I'm really liking the idea of going into radiology right now - who knows though, that could change.
I don't even know for sure if I want to pursue large anima, small animal or mixed yet even! Gah!

Ooo, Veterinarians Without Borders looks neat. 🙂
 
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Ideally I would like to work in a mixed practice - do some general SA work mixed with in a few LA cases to keep things interesting. I like internal medicine more than surgery, and I also like alternative therapies like therapeutic ultrasound, laser, massage, etc. I did an externship last summer at an equine hospital and loved working with foals too.

In reality...I'll probably end up working at an SA practice and just have to be content with having my horses as a hobby. 😳
 
There is so much that I'd like to do! I am super interested in canine sports medicine and nutrition (anything to promote mushing) I will definitely be a sled dog race vet one day! I also have interest in orthopedics, emergency/critical care, and food animal medicine. More than likely after I'm all done with school I'll go into small animal or mixed practice. At the same time though, a DVM has such endless possibilities I would hate to limit where it might take me by just working in a general practice...
 
Starting in the fall and still am not sure exactly what I'd like to do lol! I feel like I'd figure it out as I go. Right now I'm leaning towards mixed animal medicine, either SA/exotics or SA/LA. I also like Public Health and would love to do work in developing countries one day. still don't know so going to figure it out as I go through school and get more involved in clinics.
 
My thoughts now are something with Therio...I fell in love with it!! I'd ideally like to work on dogs and then do some beef cattle and sheep repro stuff on the side.
 
I am going to sell my DVM on the black market to the highest bidder

Given the past few months I've had in practice, this is the most appealing option for me too. I wonder what some (sucker) would be willing to pay for my DVM?
 
even though I'm a few years away from applying… my interest is shelter med and public health/food animal. I would love to travel with vets without borders or other organizations of that sort! I want to bring animal welfare to other countries and I was recently looking into the peace corps/mph program and right now I'm just 😍 over it.

waiting for some more experience though 😀
 
I haven't figured it out yet, but if you have any ideas....:laugh:

I figure all the money I spend on tuition + living expenses for 8 years + lost income because I couldn't work while going to school = $400,000ish? Is it sad that I would probably take an offer such as this?!
 
Marine mammals are an interest, as well as CC/ER. I'm not sure that I have enough varied experience to know for sure, but I'm sure that that will come with time. I do love the CC practice that I volunteer at, and I am super excited about my potential pathology shadowing gig that's coming up soon. I hope to possible get an advanced degree/phd someday over the rainbow, but we'll see!

So basically... I dunno. 😉
 
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