What's a pathologist earn?

[LADoc00]

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Once people have been practicing for greater than 3 years, so many factors come into play, it is very difficult to determine where you should be at in terms of your earnings. A very, very rough number tossed around is that after 3-5 years of postresidency experience, you should be hitting $250,000-300,000. If it looks like are still well below $250,000 after 5 years in practice and working FT, you should re-evaluate your situation.

Overall my experience says the range (STARTING, as in just out of fellowship) for:
AP/CP
Dermpath..............$175,000-250,000
Hemepath.............$150,000-240,000
Surg Path+GI.........$140,000-200,000
Surg Path, general..$130,000-180,000
TM/BB..................$120,000-160,000

If anyone has a different salary range experience, Id like to hear it.
The low end ranges are academic pay whereas the higher ends will predominantly be private practice jobs in good payer mix communities with excellent local contracts.

 

[yaah]

I think dermpath is higher than that, actually. A dermpath 1 year out of fellowship told me he was offered $300k to start in the boston area (private practice). Don't think he was BSing me.

 

[LADoc00]

I think dermpath is higher than that, actually. A dermpath 1 year out of fellowship told me he was offered $300k to start in the boston area (private practice). Don't think he was BSing me.

I know several board certified dermatopathologists from top notch training programs have yet to personally meet someone getting a starting offer much over $250,000 (I was offered $288,000 at one position, nondermpath, as a fellow but the job was an absurd grind). I think when talking to people it can be hard to differentiate their starting salary from one year posgraduate which can vary alot. I interviewed for a position with year 1 pay: $175,000 but year 2 pay was over $425,000.

Boston also is notoriously a low paying region. One of the worst in the country for path reimbursements from my experience.

 

[GMO2003]

I know several board certified dermatopathologists from top notch training programs have yet to personally meet someone getting a starting offer much over $250,000 (I was offered $288,000 at one position, nondermpath, as a fellow but the job was an absurd grind). I think when talking to people it can be hard to differentiate their starting salary from one year posgraduate which can vary alot. I interviewed for a position with year 1 pay: $175,000 but year 2 pay was over $425,000.

Boston also is notoriously a low paying region. One of the worst in the country for path reimbursements from my experience.

what's up Lumberg...how's the porsche

 

[bente]

I received a recruiting postcard from Tx last wk....$445K a year...I think it said fellowship and at least 3yrs experience. I don't think you'd want to go there LDoc.
There was another postcard touting over 400, they were advertising for a path director for a grp of ~ 6. Was more desirable locale, but not CA.

 

[LADoc00]

I received a recruiting postcard from Tx last wk....$445K a year...I think it said fellowship and at least 3yrs experience. I don't think you'd want to go there LDoc.
There was another postcard touting over 400, they were advertising for a path director for a grp of ~ 6. Was more desirable locale, but not CA.

Yeah, the position Im leaving to is a directorship of my area where Im planning to soak up a few years of experience (Ill be 32 soon) before I move to the super pimp 400 high roller job. The question that remains though is whether Im gonna leave Cali or not.

 

[cytoborg]

Yeah, the position Im leaving to is a directorship of my area where Im planning to soak up a few years of experience (Ill be 32 soon) before I move to the super pimp 400 high roller job. The question that remains though is whether Im gonna leave Cali or not.

Yeah, cuz Cali sucks. Everybody stay away from that ****hole. The worst place to practice path, period. Think of the traffic, the air pollution, the high cost of living!

(shhh....someday LADoc and cytoborg will have the whole state to themselves and the master plan of the pathology universe will be realized.)

Seriously dude, you thinking of leaving?? 😱

 

[Molly Maquire]

Not everyone gets those salaries. I know people who started at community hospitals in NYC for $120,000 (post fellowship).

 

[LADoc00]

Seriously dude, you thinking of leaving?? 😱

Dude, the state income tax is 9.3%, that is insane!
Go to this site and play around with some numbers in different states. Comparable salaries in San Fran vs. Reno, in Reno your take home is 10,000s more. Most logical way of doing it would be to take all your offers, calculate the over/undervaluing of property by looking up the median house price:median income ratio, factor in state income tax, property tax and sales tax and rank list the jobs that way rather than what I do which is look at the offers and say "Dude, there's a beach AND hot chicks near here."

http://partners.financenter.com/financenter/calculate/us-eng/paycheck02.fcs

 

[DarksideAllstar]

Dude, the state income tax is 9.3%, that is insane!
Go to this site and play around with some numbers in different states. Comparable salaries in San Fran vs. Reno, in Reno your take home is 10,000s more. Most logical way of doing it would be to take all your offers, calculate the over/undervaluing of property by looking up the median house price:median income ratio, factor in state income tax, property tax and sales tax and rank list the jobs that way rather than what I do which is look at the offers and say "Dude, there's a beach AND hot chicks near here."

http://partners.financenter.com/financenter/calculate/us-eng/paycheck02.fcs

Reno rocks. Well, maybe not Reno specifically, but nearby in Tahoe. Oh wait, thats California, damn. Lived in Reno for M1 and 2 years. About 300K living there. Small. Get from one side of town to the other in like 15 minutes or so. The traffic is horrific for such a small "city". Not much to do in Reno, except sleep, eat, and make fun of people at the "dirt mall" as described per Mallrats. I swear this one mall is the worst mall I have ever been to. Obscure stores, dirty yellow lighting, smell the grease fires from the fast food joints all the way on the otherside, and no people. I take that back, the only people there are the ones without teeth, and the few that go to laugh at the ones without teeth. Found myself going to Lake Tahoe an awful lot, which was awesome because its like 40 minutes away. Would move back if I wanted to retire there. Definitely not finding a ton of hot chicks cruising the streets downtown. Better bet for chick hotness is Vegas.

PS- Stay away from that Mels Diner there. The waitress didnt have any teeth either, and I am afraid of what dish they might have ended up in.

 

[yaah]

No hot chicks in Reno? Kind of a surprise, but maybe it shouldn't be. The Reno- Vegas comparison is probably like the CBA-NBA comparison when it comes to hot chicks. Full of people past their prime but not willing to give up just yet, and younger ones who can't cut it in the big league. And all the fans either can't afford NBA tickets, don't have a team in their area, or just go out of pity.

 

[drashraf]

Please email me [email protected]

 

[bananaface]

I recommend not posting your e-mail on a public forum. That's just asking for it to get harvested and spammed.

 

[deschutes]

...or ignored?

 

[DarksideAllstar]

No hot chicks in Reno? Kind of a surprise, but maybe it shouldn't be. The Reno- Vegas comparison is probably like the CBA-NBA comparison when it comes to hot chicks. Full of people past their prime but not willing to give up just yet, and younger ones who can't cut it in the big league. And all the fans either can't afford NBA tickets, don't have a team in their area, or just go out of pity.

Love the basketball analogy. It was a bit of an over-exagerration on my part in saying that there are NO hot chicks in Reno. When you go out to a bar/club, the degree of hotness is inferior in both quality and quantity to Vegas. The undergrad campus (which the medical school actually sits on) is teeming with hot chicks (jailbait). Someone LAdoc's age probably would get arrested for cruising the student union trying to pick up hotties though. I have been working at the student health center here at UNLV the past two weeks, and all I can say is that the short skirts are out and in full effect. Man, sometimes I miss undergrad.

 

[DarksideAllstar]

Oh yeah, who's Help? And why does she want to get into pathology?

 

[deschutes]

Oh yeah, who's Help? And why does she want to get into pathology?

And why do you think Help is female? 🙂

 

[bananaface]

And why do you think Help is female? 🙂

All virtues are female, all vices male. 😉

 

[deschutes]

All virtues are female, all vices male. 😉

By that token all menstrual cramps are male.

 

[bananaface]

By that token all menstrual cramps are male.

And, naproxen sodium and combined OCPs are female. 😍

 

[deschutes]

And, naproxen sodium and combined OCPs are female. 😍

I used to swear by mefenemic acid. Can't get that here.

Probably couldn't take OCPs to save my life. I have a problem taking pills once a day, much less at the same time every day.

Now it's ibuprofen 400mg Q4-6h PRN. The PRN is in case I forget.

 

[bananaface]

Naproxen sodium is generally more effective for menstrual cramps and other pelvic issues. IBU is better for headaches. Is naproxen sodium (Aleve) still an RX in Canada? When you move here give it a shot. 12 hour dosing is nice too.

 

[deschutes]

Is naproxen sodium (Aleve) still an RX in Canada? When you move here give it a shot. 12 hour dosing is nice too.

Hmm. I will check the CPS. Or ask the nurses tomorrow.

I could just pop out a baby. I am told that cures it forever.

 

[deschutes]

Oh, and for all the guys who are reading this and wondering "WTF is a discussion on menstrual cramps doing in a thread on pathologists' earnings??" - if Andy can talk about poo, I can talk about menstrual cramps.

At least I don't post pictures 🙄

 

[bananaface]

We should be technical and say dysmenorrhea for the comfort of the menfolk. 🙄 I used to vomit every month. That was no fun. Yay for COCs!

Do you have the Ortho Evra patch in Canada? That's another potential option. There is no reason you should have to put up with cramping. You would think it would have stopped by this age though.

 

[deschutes]

We should be technical and say dysmenorrhea.

"Dysmenorrhea" fails to strike fear into the hearts of men.

I used to vomit every month. That was no fun. Yay for COCs!

COCs?

btw I found a dosing scale. It says 250 q6-8h??

 

[bananaface]

How's this: Stupid cramps! Damn period! Unsympathetic mens! 😡 Rarrrrr!


Combined oral contraceptives!

Eh. Here OTC it's 220mg q8-12h, NTE 2 doses/24h. It'll last 12 hours. That's 220 mg of naproxen sodium, 200mg of which is naproxen. You could take 440mg bid or 220mg tid-qid if you needed to. But, more likely than not 220mg bid will do the trick. It's supposed to be taken with food or milk at higher doses, to prevent stomach irritation. I never had issues.

 

[beary]

Naproxen sodium is generally more effective for menstrual cramps and other pelvic issues.

More proof that I am weird. I have tried naproxen several times (for "pelvic issues" - I like it ) and it doesn't work nearly as well for me as does plain old ibuprofen.

 

[DarksideAllstar]

And why do you think Help is female? 🙂

Its kinda like when you ask something about a patient without knowing his or her sex, "What was her CBC?", instead of "what was his CBC?". I just thought that I was being grammatically correct.

Oh yeah, someone mentioned something about not being capable of taking her OCPs everday at the same time. Keep in mind thats for the progesterone-only OCP. When you use the combos its not as important.

 

[b&ierstiefel]

This discussion about menstrual cramps and pelvic issues is quite enlightening and inspiring.

 

[deschutes]

Do you have the Ortho Evra patch in Canada? That's another potential option. There is no reason you should have to put up with cramping.

Evra = $$.
Ibuprofen = free.
The choice is clear.

OOohh deschutes that is so not first class!

Shut up, Andy.

😉

Did I mention the fact that I'm Catholic 😀

It is really not as much a problem as I am making it out to be here. If I had to stay home every month, THEN it would be a problem and I would consider other medical treatment.

You would think it would have stopped by this age though.

That's because evolution would have meant me to have a baby by this age 😛

 

[bananaface]

More proof that I am weird. I have tried naproxen several times (for "pelvic issues" - I like it ) and it doesn't work nearly as well for me as does plain old ibuprofen.

I have learned to be euphamistic and general in my old age.

I'm not gonna call you weird because I am eating frozen waffles as we speak. I don't mean toasted ones. I mean they are actually cold and frozen. YUM!

 

[bananaface]

This discussion about menstrual cramps and pelvic issues is quite enlightening and inspiring.

I'll keep that line in mind for the next time you talk about your o-ring.

 

[bananaface]

Evra = $$.
Ibuprofen = free.
The choice is clear.

In WA we can get BC for free through a state program. They figured out it's more cost effective than welfare babies. I would think Canada would have something besides pills on their forumulary. Or, does the public have to pay for most drugs there?

 

[yaah]

Love the basketball analogy. It was a bit of an over-exagerration on my part in saying that there are NO hot chicks in Reno. When you go out to a bar/club, the degree of hotness is inferior in both quality and quantity to Vegas. The undergrad campus (which the medical school actually sits on) is teeming with hot chicks (jailbait). Someone LAdoc's age probably would get arrested for cruising the student union trying to pick up hotties though. I have been working at the student health center here at UNLV the past two weeks, and all I can say is that the short skirts are out and in full effect. Man, sometimes I miss undergrad.

My time at the UMass undergrad health center was ahem rather interesting in this regard as well.

 

[geddy]

"Dysmenorrhea" fails to strike fear into the hearts of men.

Are you kidding? It's terrifying! You try spending time around a woman with dysmenorrhea... Not to mention all the times you see it in a chart during clinic and think "oh, not this again" 😛

 

[bananaface]

Are you kidding? It's terrifying! You try spending time around a woman with dysmenorrhea... Not to mention all the times you see it in a chart during clinic and think "oh, not this again" 😛

Well, hon, at least you don't have to experience it. If you want to try a simulation, though, get out your astronaut suit and I'll kick you in the groin.

 

[b&ierstiefel]

Are you kidding? It's terrifying! You try spending time around a woman with dysmenorrhea... Not to mention all the times you see it in a chart during clinic and think "oh, not this again" 😛

yeah totally...it's like being around with someone with SITV

 

[bananaface]

yeah totally...it's like being around with someone with SITV

So, between you and I, it's a tossup as to who is a bigger pain in the ass to hang around. :þ

 

[deschutes]

"Dysmenorrhea" fails to strike fear into the hearts of men.

Are you kidding? It's terrifying! You try spending time around a woman with dysmenorrhea... Not to mention all the times you see it in a chart during clinic and think "oh, not this again" 😛

geddy, I only meant to suggest that we avoid the use of jargon particularly in the case of regular Joes who don't know WTF the term "dysmenorrhea" means 😉

 

[bananaface]

The same is true with SITV!

 

[b&ierstiefel]

SITV shouldn't be considered jargon. It simply refers to a person with crankypants. It's simple:

Sand
In
The
Vagina

There! Now everyone has been enlightened as to that SITV is.

Think about it....if you had SITV, wouldn't you be cranky?

 

[bananaface]

Are you asking if we like it rough? Wouldn't that be a bit TMI?

 

[CircleTheDrain]

Sorry to get back to the original topic (though it was interesting) but does anyone know what a Neuropathologist earns? 🙂

 

[deschutes]

...does anyone know what a Neuropathologist earns?

Hello CTD,

Neuropath earnings have never really been extensively discussed in the past, mostly comments about the field being "restricted" to academics. If you do a search for "neuropath" you might turn up some useful old threads. And if you let this thread hang around for a while, someone might say something new 🙂

 

[LADoc00]

Sorry to get back to the original topic (though it was interesting) but does anyone know what a Neuropathologist earns? 🙂

Neuropathology is a very very strange beast. One cannot live solely on it unless your name is Peter Burger or the like.

It is the Jabberwocky of pathology, Ive spent years trying to understand it and am still at a loss to unlock its inner secrets. On one face it is easy, simple even childlike compared to heme or derm, from a different angle it might as well be Sanskrit for all the sense it makes.

My advice: stay away, I calculated you need at least 500K-1 million people to feed a single solid neuropathologist, which means we are overtrained in this area by several hundred pathologists.

This is a Jabberwocky BTW

 

[b&ierstiefel]

LADoc00's been hittin the dooby again...

 

[bigfrank]

I think Jabberwocky was a foreign-trained IM resident I once worked with. Same teeth.