Whats the deal, as a Pre-DO student I'm angry (Residency outlook)

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Yes I agree. But I think Id rather be one former. It's not like you can't be genuine and not get ahead. I worked in an IM clinic in the Navy and our department head was a harvard grad and BC IM. The interventional cards guy was USUHS.

I remember that all the MAs and Nurses would be swooning over our department head, because he had that tennis club, I'm not a common folk kind of attitude. The patients seemed to like him (I couldn't exactly be sure).

Well our cardiologist was the most personable humble guy I've ever met, and no one seemed to give a **** about him. My colleague at the time was talking about how much he admired our DH and I couldn't understand why. Until I had a conversation with him about me going to BUD/S. He told me he would only ever be a seal if he could be an officer and have a officer pin as well as a trident. :rolleyes:

My DH didn't even know my name. Anytime I showed interest in the heart the cards guy would always be willing to explain things to me in simple terms. When he heard I was heading off to an infantry unit he gave me some books and notes on trauma management, as well as didactic stuff every Friday.

Looking back I should've been more grateful, because I thought all docs and members of the military "team" should be this way. But this guy was moonlighting 20 hrs a week in Cath lab at the local level 1 because we were so small he didn't get to do his interventional stuff there.

I was much more confident going for my "field med" and live tissue training than I would've been if I hadn't studied and had those didactics. Well I ended up using quite a bit of trauma management in several places, whether it was teaching it to Marines, treating Marines, or local villagers when deployed.

Fast forward a year and a half I was in a hospital, my MO personally visited me several times and took part in my care/advocated for what I wanted. Those two experiences made me want to be that kind of physician and for no other reason made my time put into ****** situations in the military worth it. I know that's very hallmark sounding, but showing that you care goes a long way and it's easy to tell when someone is being fake.

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I think the caring physicians are more likely to have better compliance and make more of an impact than those out for themselves. This may be naive but I'd rather keep up this optimism for as long as I can.


You know this kind of reminds me of a talk I had with my father in law. So my wife and I were looking for a new church. We found a place with a good pastor, he preached very well. We saw him a few times and he just hit home some really amazing points.

After talking with my father in law he said "being a good pastor is more than just preaching hellfire and brimstones, a good pastor is a servant to his people." And its weird but at that point I started to better understand what it was to be a good physician. I started looking back to many of my physician mentors and saw that sure they werent Harvard grads and werent world famous specialists. Heck they werent even the best at what they did in the city. But the ones who I admired most were amazing teachers, both to students and their patients. They were the kind to pay for a patient's medication if they couldnt afford it. They were the kind that would go out of their way to serve even if they were already piled up with work.

I dont think its necessarily a black and white thing and DEFINITELY not an MD/DO thing. But I think its something important to think about. I dont think there is necessarily anything wrong with being either type of physician, because I think the world needs both. It is important to figure out what type of person you are though.

Are you the DH above? Or the Cardiologist?

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I very recently got interested in ortho (so I am ignorant about a lot of things). What do you guys think about the do bias in that specialty?
 
I very recently got interested in ortho (so I am ignorant about a lot of things). What do you guys think about the do bias in that specialty?
If you look at the numbers, Ortho is one of the more friendly DO surgical specialties. The chances of matching into a DO ortho residency are approximately the same as an MD matching an allopathic ortho residency. Its still really hard to get regardless of DO/MD. You have to be working incredibly hard right out of the gate from what I hear...
 
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I was reading an article and came across this:
"Of the 4,455 total residents training in 188 ACGME-accredited radiology residency programs, 88.3% are graduates of U.S. allopathic medical schools, 7.6% are international medical graduates, and 3.9% are osteopathic graduates.1 Dr. Vicki Marx is the director of the radiology program at the University of Southern California Keck School of Medicine, and we asked for her insights into the radiology residency selection process."

3.9%!?? Clearly more 3.9 percent of DOs want to be radiologists. WHAT

My advisors and everyone keep telling me there is really no difference coming out of DO VS. MED school.

can someone sit me down like Im 5 years old and explain to me what the draw back of DO is when it comes to residency?

Simple: Your advisors lied to you about DO and MD treated equally.
 
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Just a bunch of drug seekers threatening to sue me or physical harm me if I didn't succumb to their demands. I was all excited to change the world, like you, but those patients, as well as many future patients, crushed my spirit and I never got it back, which is partially why I only considered anesthesia, radiology and pathology.

What a ****t y rotation. Was this a Psych rotation?
 
What a ****t y rotation. Was this a Psych rotation?

It was family medicine. The same thing happened in internal medicine.

I was mildly sexually assualted during my psych rotation, but it wasn't a big deal; I just got groped by a patient for a second. I got groped again during a geriatric rotation; also not a big deal.

I had a pretty benign EM experience.

Im a dude, if you're curious.
 
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It was family medicine. The same thing happened in internal medicine.

I was mildly sexually assualted during my psych rotation, but it wasn't a big deal; I just got groped by a patient for a second. I got groped again during a geriatric rotation; also not a big deal.

I had a pretty benign EM experience.

Im a dude, if you're curious.

Admit it, you're just irresistible cliquesh!
 
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It was family medicine. The same thing happened in internal medicine.

I was mildly sexually assualted during my psych rotation, but it wasn't a big deal; I just got groped by a patient for a second. I got groped again during a geriatric rotation; also not a big deal.

I had a pretty benign EM experience.

Im a dude, if you're curious.

WTF. OMG. What DO school did you go to out of curiosity?

PS: If I ever went through crap like that, I also would go straight to Anesth or Pathology.
 
It was family medicine. The same thing happened in internal medicine.

I was mildly sexually assualted during my psych rotation, but it wasn't a big deal; I just got groped by a patient for a second. I got groped again during a geriatric rotation; also not a big deal.

I had a pretty benign EM experience.

Im a dude, if you're curious.

Did they at least give you their hospital meal?

Sorry, couldn't resist.
 
WTF. OMG. What DO school did you go to out of curiosity?

PS: If I ever went through crap like that, I also would go straight to Anesth or Pathology.

In Anesthesia they can accuse you of groping them. *shudders*
 
WTF. OMG. What DO school did you go to out of curiosity?

PS: If I ever went through crap like that, I also would go straight to Anesth or Pathology.

Am I the only one that doesn't find this sort of thing surprising? I mean it sucks, and is certainly not pleasant, but that kind of thing happens all the time (especially the drug seekers and physical threats). This is nothing new to medicine (or really any career that involves service/interactions with a broad customer base). I saw stuff like this volunteering at clinics. I'm a little surprised you're asking where this happened, because it could honestly happen almost anywhere.
 
In Anesthesia they can accuse you of groping them. *shudders*

I worked in an OR as a surgical tech for 8 years, and I got groped by so many sedated patients that I couldn't even give you an estimate.

As far as groping them, it's hard to do a lot of procedures without grabbing some stuff. Nothing I love more than spreading ass cheeks apart that individually probably weigh more than me. Hooyah.
 
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Am I the only one that doesn't find this sort of thing surprising? I mean it sucks, and is certainly not pleasant, but that kind of thing happens all the time (especially the drug seekers and physical threats). This is nothing new to medicine (or really any career that involves service/interactions with a broad customer base). I saw stuff like this volunteering at clinics. I'm a little surprised you're asking where this happened, because it could honestly happen almost anywhere.

I've had jobs working with a broad base of people (e.g. Retail) and never did I ever get physical threats or hear my co-workers get physical threats.
 
I've had jobs working with a broad base of people (e.g. Retail) and never did I ever get physical threats or hear my co-workers get physical threats.
People are angry when they're sick/ in pain.
 
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It was family medicine. The same thing happened in internal medicine.

I was mildly sexually assualted during my psych rotation, but it wasn't a big deal; I just got groped by a patient for a second. I got groped again during a geriatric rotation; also not a big deal.

I had a pretty benign EM experience.

Im a dude, if you're curious.


Haha I got groped during my CNA training in geriatrics... People are surprised by how these places are defined by confusion and sexual tension heh
 
It was family medicine. The same thing happened in internal medicine.

I was mildly sexually assualted during my psych rotation, but it wasn't a big deal; I just got groped by a patient for a second. I got groped again during a geriatric rotation; also not a big deal.

I had a pretty benign EM experience.

Im a dude, if you're curious.

A new article came out this week about males being harassed... pretty shocking, but unsurprising, IMO.

http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2014/03/coerced-sex.aspx
"WASHINGTON — A large proportion of teenage boys and college men report having been coerced into sex or sexual behavior, according to research published by the American Psychological Association.

A total of 43 percent of high school boys and young college men reported they had an unwanted sexual experience and of those, 95 percent said a female acquaintance was the aggressor, according to a study published online in the APA journal Psychology of Men and Masculinity®."

I've worked in a few different areas like long term care, acute care, psych, etc and received unwanted advances, myself. Yeah I'm a guy.

Which reminds me... for every 100 of these discrimination-towards-DOs threads, I see maybe 2 or 3 people actually doing anything to reverse the stereotype. Don't hate, participate.
 
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I've had jobs working with a broad base of people (e.g. Retail) and never did I ever get physical threats or hear my co-workers get physical threats.

You were lucky. I received physical threats and racist slurs flung at me in my previous job experiences in sales. Maybe it depends on where the job is...
 
You were lucky. I received physical threats and racist slurs flung at me in my previous job experiences in sales. Maybe it depends on where the job is...

True. What region were you in?
 
True. What region were you in?

Northeast, close to the midwest. Where I was working was somewhat less than average educated region, compared to surrounding areas.

Sometimes people are drunk (or on drugs/seeking drugs) and they act physically aggressive. Other times people are just not accepting of people they don't recognize/understand. Nothing new. The way the world is.
 
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