What's the Deal with some members of this forum?

[Noyac]

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There are a few members here that find any difference of opinion as a threat or something to them and jump right into the conversations with insults. It's always the same people who can't discuss topics on a mature level.

 

[pgg]

There are a few members here that find any difference of opinion as a threat or something to them and jump right into the conversations with insults. It's always the same people who can't discuss topics on a mature level.

It's the Greater Internet ****wad Theory.


Normal Person + Anonymity + Audience = Total ****wad

There's a classic pic which illustrates this but I can't get it to hotlink for some reason ...




Oh, and 2+3=cats.

 

[Noyac]

Oh, and 2+3=cats.

😕

 

[pgg]

😕

Reference to the original image which always struck me as amusing ...

 

[Noyac]

Reference to the original image which always struck me as amusing ...

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[IN2B8R]

There are a few members here that find any difference of opinion as a threat or something to them and jump right into the conversations with insults. It's always the same people who can't discuss topics on a mature level.

I find sermo a bit more mature....

 

[IN2B8R]

This place would suck if everyone was constantly sucking each others d*cks.

. True that! But I gotta agree with Noyac on this post: civility is lacking and people take themselves waaay too seriously here....

 

[Noyac]

. True that! But I gotta agree with Noyac on this post: civility is lacking and people take themselves waaay too seriously here....

honestly, its only a few members here.

 

[Noyac]

I find sermo a bit more mature....

Correct, because it is made up mostly of "seasoned vets" that can see other POV. There aren't as many youngster that think they know it all. But that is what makes this site more interesting at times. It's just the insult and name calling that gets old and shows immaturity.

But I find the sermo format harder to navigate so I keep coming back to this site. Plus I know members of this site personally. I know only a few sermo members.

 

[Gimlet]

Correct, because it is made up mostly of "seasoned vets" that can see other POV. There aren't as many youngster that think they know it all. But that is what makes this site more interesting at times. It's just the insult and name calling that gets old and shows immaturity.

But I find the sermo format harder to navigate so I keep coming back to this site. Plus I know members of this site personally. I know only a few sermo members.

Sermo also doesn't have as much of an air of anonymity to hide behind as SDN does, what with having to prove you're a physician and all.

So far I've only lurked on Sermo. They have good discussions, though. I'm always surprised to see how many people cross-post into specialty forums that aren't their own (ie, FP posting in Anesthesiology)...don't see that nearly as much here.

Plus, I got a sweet $30 debit card for filling out a survey on there.

 

[Jay K]

Correct, because it is made up mostly of "seasoned vets" that can see other POV. There aren't as many youngster that think they know it all. But that is what makes this site more interesting at times. It's just the insult and name calling that gets old and shows immaturity.

Kinda like you comparing me to a ****ty locums cause I've recently started using an u/s to place A-lines at times? I'm finding it hard to see a valid POV message in the one you replied using my quote, aside from pulling a jab at me. Was it because I replied with a different POV to your buy-ins are a hoax thread? Despite me saying I can see where you're coming from?

Not starting a fight here, just wondering why your comments were directed the way they were in the other threads. It "seems," and I say that "lightly" that you don't seem to take other POV's as well either - you gotta get a word in edgewise. Kinda like why you started this thread in the first place... "seemingly."

 

[Surfer]

i sometimes use an u/s to place an a-line. i give it two sticks, then i ask for the u/s. no need to go all barbaric on grandpa.

 

[CYP4a]

dude, if you don't like it here and can't take the heat get out of the fire.

 

[Southpaw]

dude, if you don't like it here and can't take the heat get out of the fire.

Said the MS4 with 6 posts to the tenured attending. You're a perfect case in point, if you ask me.

 

[sevoflurane]

👍

 

[sevoflurane]

dude, if you don't like it here and can't take the heat get out of the fire.

That's not the point.
Is there any reason for being rude on a mostly medical public forum? The silly crap that went on a couple of months back got a little out of control. I think the forum has improved since then. You keep on insulting people and they will leave. Mil was pretty much a straight shooter and clearly a good source of knowledge. Where is he now? The three parties involved were/are good contributors to this forum

 

[rmbsstock]

:cry:

 

[Gimlet]

I stopped posting anything on the Anesthesiology forum for fear of insults but not from the fear of anyone disagreeing with me.
:cry: Anyways, I am ONLY here to ask a question: I have a friend in Anesthesiology, and now every time I look for her name it says "banned".
1) When a person is banned, how long would this last? :cry:
2) Is there a place I can find out why?
3) Can they come back under a different name?
4) How can I get in touch back with this friend?

Thanks

1) Banning is forever.

2) Probably not, unless you search through her last few posts to see if you can get a clue as to what she was banned for.

3) If they didn't ban her IP, she may be able to make another account and post again until someone outs her as a banned troll. It is against TOS to have multiple accounts and previously banned users are usually re-banned as soon as they are discovered.

4) No idea, hopefully she'll see this thread if she still lurks here.

PS, I hope you're not talking about Eta Carinae.

 

[Noyac]

Kinda like you comparing me to a ****ty locums cause I've recently started using an u/s to place A-lines at times? I'm finding it hard to see a valid POV message in the one you replied using my quote, aside from pulling a jab at me. Was it because I replied with a different POV to your buy-ins are a hoax thread? Despite me saying I can see where you're coming from?

Not starting a fight here, just wondering why your comments were directed the way they were in the other threads. It "seems," and I say that "lightly" that you don't seem to take other POV's as well either - you gotta get a word in edgewise. Kinda like why you started this thread in the first place... "seemingly."

That was in joking manner. Sorry for not making that more clear.

 

[WholeLottaGame7]

1) Banning is forever.

2) Probably not, unless you search through her last few posts to see if you can get a clue as to what she was banned for.

3) If they didn't ban her IP, she may be able to make another account and post again until someone outs her as a banned troll. It is against TOS to have multiple accounts and previously banned users are usually re-banned as soon as they are discovered.

4) No idea, hopefully she'll see this thread if she still lurks here.

PS, I hope you're not talking about Eta Carinae.

Hahaha that was my first thought, also. The list of female anesthesiology posters who were recently banned strikes me as somewhat small. Apparently, if you want to find her, you could check out your local KKK chapter...

I, too, feel like the forum is more civil. There are still disagreements, but less name-calling and ad hominem attacks. Honestly, the events of a few months ago were like watching some sort of disaster. I felt guilty watching, but I couldn't take my eyes away..

 

[Jay K]

That was in joking manner. Sorry for not making that more clear.

Cool, thanks for the clarification.

 

[Apollyon]

The list of female anesthesiology posters who were recently banned strikes me as somewhat small.

OK, I...again...have to post this:

(I remember the original issue of The New Yorker in which this cartoon originated.)

In most cases, people on SDN are self-reported. Often, the people give information out which is independently verifiable. Apart from that, were someone not a doctor or (in this forum) an anesthesiologist (or, in one case, an assistant), it would be clear that that person didn't "walk the walk". E C never seemed show anything specific about now being in anesthesia, and nothing verifiable about training or history.

I mention this because there was a person from (now) many years ago on SDN who used the name "ArrogantSurgeon", who was totally anti-FMG and very reactionary. He was eventually outed as being a med student at an Australian school. With all of E C's animus towards Carib students, I got the same vibe.

 

[Laryngophed]

I don't know, but for awhile, the things that drew me to this forum were grossly overshadowed by the in-fighting and general bitching that was ever prevalent a few short months ago. Not that my opinion matters much, but it was enough that I stopped reading this forum because it seemed nearly every thread would devolve into the same name-calling b.s. over and over. Lately, that doesn't seem to happen as much and it has made this forum more attractive again. As a soon to be M1, I came to this forum (with no set ideas on gas) merely because of how much you guys talk shop. This forum seemed exceptionally active with regard to talking and teaching your craft and I love that. Now that things are getting back to that, I enjoy coming back and trying to learn something but for a while, it wasn't really worth the time. But my opinion and $4 will get you a latté from Starbucks.

 

[cfdavid]

i sometimes use an u/s to place an a-line. i give it two sticks, then i ask for the u/s. no need to go all barbaric on grandpa.

good way of looking at it....

 

[WholeLottaGame7]

OK, I...again...have to post this:

(I remember the original issue of The New Yorker in which this cartoon originated.)

In most cases, people on SDN are self-reported. Often, the people give information out which is independently verifiable. Apart from that, were someone not a doctor or (in this forum) an anesthesiologist (or, in one case, an assistant), it would be clear that that person didn't "walk the walk". E C never seemed show anything specific about now being in anesthesia, and nothing verifiable about training or history.

I mention this because there was a person from (now) many years ago on SDN who used the name "ArrogantSurgeon", who was totally anti-FMG and very reactionary. He was eventually outed as being a med student at an Australian school. With all of E C's animus towards Carib students, I got the same vibe.

Yeah, I started getting the vibe that it was all a charade, also. She had "given out" a lot of personal information that seemed internally inconsistent, plus I never saw her contribute anything of clinical worth. Maybe she did, but there was definitely something fishy going on. I feel like for the most part if someone sticks around long enough, you can figure out if they're legit or not.

 

[jetproppilot]

I don't know, but for awhile, the things that drew me to this forum were grossly overshadowed by the in-fighting and general bitching that was ever prevalent a few short months ago. Not that my opinion matters much, but it was enough that I stopped reading this forum because it seemed nearly every thread would devolve into the same name-calling b.s. over and over. Lately, that doesn't seem to happen as much and it has made this forum more attractive again. As a soon to be M1, I came to this forum (with no set ideas on gas) merely because of how much you guys talk shop. This forum seemed exceptionally active with regard to talking and teaching your craft and I love that. Now that things are getting back to that, I enjoy coming back and trying to learn something but for a while, it wasn't really worth the time. But my opinion and $4 will get you a latté from Starbucks.

Glad you're back.

Uhhhhh, can someone fill me in (2 paragraphs or less) what happened a few months ago? I missed it. A poster above said it was like a bad car wreck...didnt wanna watch but couldnt take eyes off...

 

[doctor712]

Jpp,

remember when I told you about some of the threads that went down with me a few months ago? yeah. that.

a few of us were very involved, some less, some tangentially, copro hasn't been back since, i think mil left shortly thereafter, plank and i and a few others, some new some not so new were part of a bad batch of threads or so. and then it blew over. but id say its taken a while. and im sure memories are still pretty fresh.

D712

 

[Arch Guillotti]

What he said.

Back in about January or February many threads were derailed and became trainwrecks because of arguing and fighting. Everything sort of reached a boiling point and things got sort of ugly.

Since most of the users that were involved were long time members and regular contributors I really didn't get in between folks when they were arguing. I kept hoping that everyone would settle down on their own (which didn't really happen).

The moderation of this forum has always been freewheeling but things just got a bit too freewheeling for everyone. As a result, the moderation of the forum was brought in line with the rest of the forums on SDN that are moderated (the reality is that as of right now there isn't a whole lot more moderation going on, users are policing themselves - which I think is how a good internet forum should operate).

MMD and copro left by their own choice. They were not treated any differently than any other user on this forum.

Jpp,

remember when I told you about some of the threads that went down with me a few months ago? yeah. that.

a few of us were very involved, some less, some tangentially, copro hasn't been back since, i think mil left shortly thereafter, plank and i and a few others, some new some not so new were part of a bad batch of threads or so. and then it blew over. but id say its taken a while. and im sure memories are still pretty fresh.

D712

 

[lfesiam]

I think it is about "getting in the last word" and un-constructive criticism.

....sigh.....

one can control one's own mind and actions ...but not the others...so why waste your time and energy in doing so.... instead adapt your own actions and words to suit the situation...better yet, listen more and try to understand the opposition....

....persuasion is by tactful art not brute force.

 

[Arch Guillotti]

Yeah, for a while there folks just wouldn't let it go....

I think it is about "getting in the last word" and un-constructive criticism.

 

[jetproppilot]

Yeah, for a while there folks just wouldn't let it go....

Any opinions on why the forum is different now? Hell, I'm enjoying the forum again. We got the whole JETPEARL thing going on which seems to be a hit!

Noyac is posting! Dudes a clinical wizard AND is not afraid to mix it up (I.e. the What's Up With The Posters Here thread) which I believe adds character and flair to the forum.

Plank's Private Practice Laminectomy thread was a good one.

Seems I've seen alotta med students and pre meds posting too, which is great.

I haven't witnessed/read/been a part of any knock down drag outs since my return.

At least right now I feel this forum has a great mix of education, real life scenerios, and stupid s hit that brings laughs and entertainment.

SOOOOO....opinions....how'd the forum reach this educational, overall peaceful, yet still very entertaining place, compared to the ominous, negative sphere just a few months ago?

 

[coldweatherblue]

definitely appreciate ya'lls clinical threads. I got at least 4 questions right on our pharm final this morning because of RSI/MAC stuff I've read on here haha. 😀 👍

 

[Noyac]

dude, if you don't like it here and can't take the heat get out of the fire.

pissst

 

[rmbsstock]

:cry:

 

[Bertelman]

Eta wanted equality between her and the guys on this forum, but I do not think she got that.

Any perceived lack of respect on Eta's part had far more to do with the crazy things she was saying. I really don't care about the gender of a member.

 

[Arch Guillotti]

ETA getting banned had very little (if any) to do with this forum.

I want to tell you congratulations on this healthy forum that you have and I truly mean it. However, I do not believe it had to happen by losing some members. I am NOT here to defend Eta, and I do not think I will be able to get in touch with her unless she tries to get in touch with me.
Please let me tell you how I see Eta. I met her on this forum and actually in a very heated argument. When I stated some desperate remarks in one of my entries, she was the ONLY one to notice it. She sent me a private message to check on me AFTER I put her down (and she did too) in our arguments.
It turned out that she is living a crisis that I wish none of you will live or have to deal with ever. Under all these strong opinions that she had, there was a human being who is hurting bad and wanted support. But, because she does not come out in a sad, gentle girlie style, every one thinks she is ready to fight and attacks her.
Eta wanted equality between her and the guys on this forum, but I do not think she got that.
I do not know what is meant by KKK because Eta and I are immigrants and actually can be targeted by the KKK, unless you meant something else.
Thank you for taking the time to read my entry.

 

[cfdavid]

Any opinions on why the forum is different now? Hell, I'm enjoying the forum again. We got the whole JETPEARL thing going on which seems to be a hit!

Noyac is posting! Dudes a clinical wizard AND is not afraid to mix it up (I.e. the What's Up With The Posters Here thread) which I believe adds character and flair to the forum.

Plank's Private Practice Laminectomy thread was a good one.

Seems I've seen alotta med students and pre meds posting too, which is great.

I haven't witnessed/read/been a part of any knock down drag outs since my return.

At least right now I feel this forum has a great mix of education, real life scenerios, and stupid s hit that brings laughs and entertainment.

SOOOOO....opinions....how'd the forum reach this educational, overall peaceful, yet still very entertaining place, compared to the ominous, negative sphere just a few months ago?

Jet, to be honest, many of us who've been posting for a while view your presence as a "stabilizing force". At least I do anyway. However "hokey" that sounds.

So, perhaps your coming back to the forum has lifted it up a bit. Not sure though. May be a coincedence.

Personally, I agree that mixing things up is GOOD for the forum. While I want desperately to contribute more clinically to these threads(as I know many of my peers do as well), many of us up-coming residents won't even be able to do TOO much of that until CA1 year. So, we're a ways off still.

Just my 2 cents...

cf

 

[cfdavid]

I want to tell you congratulations on this healthy forum that you have and I truly mean it. However, I do not believe it had to happen by losing some members. I am NOT here to defend Eta, and I do not think I will be able to get in touch with her unless she tries to get in touch with me.
Please let me tell you how I see Eta. I met her on this forum and actually in a very heated argument. When I stated some desperate remarks in one of my entries, she was the ONLY one to notice it. She sent me a private message to check on me AFTER I put her down (and she did too) in our arguments.
It turned out that she is living a crisis that I wish none of you will live or have to deal with ever. Under all these strong opinions that she had, there was a human being who is hurting bad and wanted support. But, because she does not come out in a sad, gentle girlie style, every one thinks she is ready to fight and attacks her.
Eta wanted equality between her and the guys on this forum, but I do not think she got that.
I do not know what is meant by KKK because Eta and I are immigrants and actually can be targeted by the KKK, unless you meant something else.
Thank you for taking the time to read my entry.

I went back and took a look at the "KKK" post by Eta. She was clearly speaking tongue in cheek. That was simple to see by any objective observer.

Perhaps unwise to make such a claim, but that one should have been obvious, frankly. Not sure why else she would have been banned, but if it was for that, well, that's pretty ridiculous.

cf

 

[cfdavid]

Jet, to be fair, there were also some threads dealing with the Israel lobby and it's impact on our foreign, and other, affairs. There were accusations of anti-semitism and Jewish extremism going around in which I was part. Not sure if this was a huge part of the "downfall" of the forum during those months, but I'll take responsibility even though I feel it was a healthy debate to have especially given recent statements from one of our top generals at CentCom that Israel's threats towards Iran are detrimental to U.S. troops on the ground in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

So, no apologies from me on that one. Perhaps it denigrated beyond the original discussion, but such debates can be healthy when certain beliefs are both challenged and defended.

cf

 

[doctor712]

Any opinions on why the forum is different now? Hell, I'm enjoying the forum again. We got the whole JETPEARL thing going on which seems to be a hit!

Noyac is posting! Dudes a clinical wizard AND is not afraid to mix it up (I.e. the What's Up With The Posters Here thread) which I believe adds character and flair to the forum.

Plank's Private Practice Laminectomy thread was a good one.

Seems I've seen alotta med students and pre meds posting too, which is great.

I haven't witnessed/read/been a part of any knock down drag outs since my return.

At least right now I feel this forum has a great mix of education, real life scenerios, and stupid s hit that brings laughs and entertainment.

SOOOOO....opinions....how'd the forum reach this educational, overall peaceful, yet still very entertaining place, compared to the ominous, negative sphere just a few months ago?

JPP,

I think the reason is pretty simple, I think, my Friend: folks saw how quick things went to
hell here and, after all the fighting, i think posters didn't want to repeat what they were viewing
for fear of really taking the threads to a lower than already low level. And ruining a great thing that we have here. I've openly admitted my involvement, and have taken some blame without any finger pointing, so I can say that the threads were pretty bad. If not laugh out loud humorous at times. And equally nauseating.

But there's another reason too, and credit should be given. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not sure who came out and made that "warning" post, but someone did. Right? It was either the founder of SDN, or Arch or our new Mod. 🙂 It was something along the lines of, "enough." Again, correct if wrong, but I think Copro was temporarily blocked, and, at least for me, I didn't want that happening. Things got really calm really fast when we all saw that the mods had had enough and that we were on thin ice.

In fact, I had members PMing me, giving me (unrequested) advice on what to post, when to leave it alone, when to stand up for myself, when to argue back, or that, in general, I was being supported, so ENOUGH, go out with your head and neck still (somewhat) intact. So, I think keeping the board a great place and not wanting to get banned/blocked were the two reasons things got back to normal.

Oh, and your arrival of course... 👍

D712

 

[WholeLottaGame7]

I went back and took a look at the "KKK" post by Eta. She was clearly speaking tongue in cheek. That was simple to see by any objective observer.

Perhaps unwise to make such a claim, but that one should have been obvious, frankly. Not sure why else she would have been banned, but if it was for that, well, that's pretty ridiculous.

cf

I could never tell if A) she was being honest, B) just trying to ruffle feathers, or C) working on some school sociology project. I feel like I do a pretty good job of picking up on all kinds of humor, tongue-in-cheek included, and it was never "simple to see." Normally I'd give people the benefit of the doubt and vote B), but given some of her posts in other threads, A) seemed like it was also a legit possibility. Regardless of motivation, it is dangerous territory to be playing around in. And as Bertelman said, her lack of acceptance had nothing to do with gender (which doesn't count for much on in the internet, anyway).

I, too, was sad that members had to leave, but I think that's what it had come down to. Sometimes certain personalities just don't co-exist. In the real world, there might be social or professional or economic pressures that force people to get along, but there is none of that on the internet. I much prefer this reality to the one of a few months ago.

 

[rmbsstock]

:cry:

 

[pgg]

I don't think it's appropriate for me to comment on any specific individuals, but I will say that the admins don't lightly ban anybody. It really is their last resort. And keep in mind that there is often more going on than is visible in any one forum (or in all the public forums).

And while this forum does attract people of all nationalities, and we should recognize that non-native English speakers might not get all of our cultural quirks and language idioms ... such things only go so far in mitigating TOS violations. Merely having an unpopular or misunderstood opinion generally doesn't get people banned. And I'll leave it at that.

 

[Arch Guillotti]

Exactly what he said.

I ban previously banned trolls on sight as well as CRNA trolls. Nurses are welcome to discuss matters on this forum but unfortunately the discussions turn ugly a lot of the time. The deck is stacked against nurses.

I cannot recall ever banning a regular user from this forum.

I don't think it's appropriate for me to comment on any specific individuals, but I will say that the admins don't lightly ban anybody. It really is their last resort. And keep in mind that there is often more going on than is visible in any one forum (or in all the public forums).

And while this forum does attract people of all nationalities, and we should recognize that non-native English speakers might not get all of our cultural quirks and language idioms ... such things only go so far in mitigating TOS violations. Merely having an unpopular or misunderstood opinion generally doesn't get people banned. And I'll leave it at that.

 

[cfdavid]

I could never tell if A) she was being honest, B) just trying to ruffle feathers, or C) working on some school sociology project. I feel like I do a pretty good job of picking up on all kinds of humor, tongue-in-cheek included, and it was never "simple to see." Normally I'd give people the benefit of the doubt and vote B), but given some of her posts in other threads, A) seemed like it was also a legit possibility. Regardless of motivation, it is dangerous territory to be playing around in. And as Bertelman said, her lack of acceptance had nothing to do with gender (which doesn't count for much on in the internet, anyway).

I, too, was sad that members had to leave, but I think that's what it had come down to. Sometimes certain personalities just don't co-exist. In the real world, there might be social or professional or economic pressures that force people to get along, but there is none of that on the internet. I much prefer this reality to the one of a few months ago.

I respect your opinion but I just thought it extremely unlikely that she was being serious when she stated; "I'm a card carrying member of the KKK".... (or something very close to that)

Insensitive? Perhaps. But, serious? I don't think so from what I read on that particular thread.

 

[Gern Blansten]

There are a few members here that find any difference of opinion as a threat or something to them and jump right into the conversations with insults. It's always the same people who can't discuss topics on a mature level.

What are you saying?

 

[Gern Blansten]

It turned out that she is living a crisis that I wish none of you will live or have to deal with ever. Under all these strong opinions that she had, there was a human being who is hurting bad and wanted support.

Sorry that she is having a crisis. An anonymous internet site is definitely not the place to go to get uplifted and receive therapy. I did not care what gender she was. I didn't appreciate the unprovoked hatred that she spewed to long time members of this forum.

 

[ssmallz]

sorry that she is having a crisis. An anonymous internet site is definitely not the place to go to get uplifted and receive therapy. I did not care what gender she was. I didn't appreciate the unprovoked hatred that she spewed to long time members of this forum.

+1

 

[IlDestriero]

+1

Ditto. Her mastery of English was fine. She was rude, classless, narcissistic and obviously not as clever as she thought. I don't care what the final straw was that got her banned, but I'm glad to not have to suffer her nonsense another moment. Adios Princess. Have fun in Seattle, the weather sucks.
Copro was rude too, but at least he was honest and had clinical contributions to make. He's welcome back anytime.👍

 

[dnslay]

M2 here. I've been following this forum for years, from the golden age, through the crap gap to present. It was entertaining and inspirational as a premed, and going into 3rd year I've been keeping tabs (knowing that I'm gonna give anesthesiology a good look). Now I'm looking forward to bringing questions from my early clinical experiences. I feel very lucky to know about a place where I can bounce ideas and questions off of experts. Where else can one get a range of responses that are informative, cut through bs, non-academic, and academic counterpoint?

This diversity in level of discussion and open spirit is what keeps me coming back.

Efforts to ruin this quality are what almost brought this forum down, but will never succeed as long as there are enough genuine people here looking out to help their colleagues and fledgling colleagues.