What's with all the "Dropping out of Med"

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Psai said:
60 hours of psych is not the same as 60 hours of surgery or em
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I think dealing with screaming, crying, and intensely f'ed up inpatient psych patients can be just as draining as surgery or EM.
 
circulus vitios said:
I think dealing with screaming, crying, and intensely f'ed up inpatient psych patients can be just as draining as surgery or EM.
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Not all rotations in Psych residency are on an inpatient basis. They have quite an effective filter on the patients they admit.
 
Wordead said:
2-3 days of any surgical rotation (excluding ophtho, those bums) is way more draining than a full week of psych.
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Gotta love subspecialty weeks (ENT, Ophtho) on rotation. Those were our "breaks" from the General Surgery month.
 
Priapism4tooLong said:
I'm hungry now.
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So was I when she first called me that. I tend to like apple and cherry pie though. She was saying it to be condescending, right before she told me to kiss her ass,
bc I told her she was giving bad advice by telling someone who was depressed that all she needed was water, church, and xanax.
 
DermViser said:
So was I when she first called me that. I tend to like apple and cherry pie though. She was saying it to be condescending, right before she told me to kiss her ass,
bc I told her she was giving bad advice by telling someone who was depressed that all she needed was water, church, and xanax.
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GOD i miss so much, i missed arks drama and now this
 
NontradCA said:
Meds school sucks, period. For the most part, everything is just checking -a-box- standardized training. That turns out to be a grind any which way you cut it. FWIW I find people to exaggerate the difficulty, but I realize few people in this process have done anything difficult in their life. Probably a result of all the nepotism. Undoubtedly what I can't stand about med school the most are the other students.

Neurotic, pretentious brats.
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65% of our class have either one or both parents as physicians.

Privileged, neurotic, pretentious, brats
 
EMDO2018 said:
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65% of our class have either one or both parents as physicians.

Privileged, neurotic, pretentious, brats
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You're shocked that a high percentage of medical students attending medical school have parents who are physicians? Every single one of them are privileged, neurotic, pretentious brats -- the entire 65%?
 
DermViser said:
Oh, but you will eventually. If you can go thru Ark's diatribes, you can skip to the sugar pie part: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...d-school-anxiety.1107218/page-2#post-15874734
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haha one sec i'm reading it

Heyyy_Dr_Coco said:
Ok. ...but speaking as a neurospychologist (my MS is in psychology), many people have post traumatic stress events but they learn to cope with them without the help of a psychologist. Depression and anxiety many times does not need psychological intervention. A question like this cannot be answered by others. It boils down to whether or not she wants this opportunity. And it seems like she does. She did have very high expectations to do an MD/PhD. She did very well in school prior to med school, with a 4.0 GPA. She seems to care about her future and have high self esteem. So having an actual diagnosis of a chronic depression/anxiety doesnt make much sense. Depression and anxiety usually tend to accompany low self esteem, not high. People with high self esteem overcome and find ways on their own to cope. I understand that there is a fear of death/dying. Maybe I just cant understand her lack of ability to cope and overcome. I was afraid of dead bodies too. But when I took my first anatomy class, I realized that this cadavern is like a table. Its lifeless. I felt no fear of it anymore. One just has to make the decision for themselves.
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this made me lol, and was totally worth the read
 
Heyyy_Dr_Coco said:
Girl. ...drink some water and calm the **** down... and grow up. Its time to be an adult. Do you know how many people wish they were in the position you are in? You are acting like a kid. I'm 29 and I am STILL not in my Phd program yet for Neuroscience. I will be done with my MS in April and will start the Phd next August, at 30. I wish I was able to accomplish what you are accomplishing at such a young age. I wish I could switch places with you. There is no room for such immaturity when you are on such a terrific career path. NO YOU SHOULD NOT DROP OUT OF MED SCHOOL. YOU WILL SURELY REGRET IT. Girl if you are feeling that anxious, get some xanax. Go to church or something. You do not realize how blessed you are. The **** you are complaining about makes no sense to me nor many people on this thread. Take advantage of this opportunity you have. Hopefully you will finally become a real woman and learn to appreciate this. But if you drop out you will surely regret it.
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hahaha gurrrlll all you need is water to treat that depression

i mean i don't think she was trying to be negative, i just don't think she realizes what people go through in med school, like the stress and especially if you know of suicides. Even on these forums i know we had a case.
It's a very difficult subject to talk about and calling her immature is just ridiculous.
I agree with what you said.

DermViser said:
You're shocked that a high percentage of medical students attending medical school have parents who are physicians? Every single one of them are privileged, neurotic, pretentious brats -- the entire 65%?
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why'd she get banned??
 
Growing up you'd like to think America is a meritocracy, then you get to your mid 20s and you realize privilege is just passed from generation to generation, and disadvantage and hardship is passed from generation to generation. The circumstance we grow up in shape our future. I've seen both sides of it, My aunt was a 16 year old single mom and HS drop out, my cousin is a 16 year old single mom and HS drop out, most of the kids here in med school, have physicians as parents. Every blue moon you have someone like me who makes the leap from growing up on welfare to getting into med school, but its EXTREMELY rare. No not all of my classmates that have physicians as parents are brats, but a huge percentage of the class is as I described.
 
NontradCA said:
😕.
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I did a cost/benefit analysis and it won't make sense going to PA school now.. My school COA ($222k) is low compared to most US schools... The PA schools I looked at are as expensive as my school except they are 2 1/2 years... I will have to borrow 120k for PA plus the 28k that I already used for med school. Thus, going to PA school will cost me about 150k... Even in the best case scenario, I will graduate PA school in 2018, which is the same time I will be done with med school... I understand the residency component of med school, which will add to student loan and such, but I already plan to pay the interest on my loan during residency... In addition, the M.D. degree will give me more flexibility as a psychiatrist as opposed to PA...
 
EMDO2018 said:
Growing up you'd like to think America is a meritocracy, then you get to your mid 20s and you realize privilege is just passed from generation to generation, and disadvantage and hardship is passed from generation to generation. The circumstance we grow up in shape our future. I've seen both sides of it, My aunt was a 16 year old single mom and HS drop out, my cousin is a 16 year old single mom and HS drop out, most of the kids here in med school, have physicians as parents. Every blue moon you have someone like me who makes the leap from growing up on welfare to getting into med school, but its EXTREMELY rare. No not all of my classmates that have physicians as parents are brats, but a huge percentage of the class is as I described.
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I do agree with you somewhat on this. There has been a rising income inequality in this country for several decades. Studies have shown that actually America is not the best place if your goal is social mobility (moving from one class to another). In one interview, Hillary Clinton made the argument that during the 90s, income was a lot more dispersed and that people in the middle class felt they had a chance and the deck wasn't stacked against them. I agree with her on that - her husband was President during one of the best economic times in recent times.

Affirmative action policies at the med school level are meant to address this inequality somewhat, but it's not really a long term viable solution in terms of getting someone up to speed, who has been faltering previously. Whether it's worth taking that student (and overloading them with debt) in the first place is another discussion in and of itself. Being a single mother (one can argue this is a choice made - being a mother at an early age) and a HS drop out (one can argue this is a choice as well) will definitely put one at a disadvantage regardless if comparing to physicians or people in general.

You say it's huge percent of the class, but I wonder if that's just your perception or actuality.
 
EMDO2018 said:
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65% of our class have either one or both parents as physicians.

Privileged, neurotic, pretentious, brats
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I liked it better when you said you weren't coming back here. No bs stats about others pulled out of thin air or whining about your classmates who are probably good people and it's just that you're an unpleasant person who no one likes
 
Psai said:
I liked it better when you said you weren't coming back here. No bs stats about others pulled out of thin air or whining about your classmates who are probably good people and it's just that you're an unpleasant person who no one likes
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Stats come from a survey we all took during orientation week. I like a lot of people in the class, about 30%, 30% of 200 is about 60 people, I consider that a lot.
 
Psai said:
I liked it better when you said you weren't coming back here. No bs stats about others pulled out of thin air or whining about your classmates who are probably good people and it's just that you're an unpleasant person who no one likes
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Well when you say it for like the 5th time, even starting a thread on it, and don't follow thru, people stop believing you.

I just don't get what one benefits from by hating someone bc of their supposed affluence (work ethic is another story). It's completely unproductive and doesn't help you at all. You're in a white collar profession -- newsflash: people will be more affluent than what you are used to.
 
EMDO2018 said:
Stats come from a survey we all took during orientation week. I like a lot of people in the class, about 30%, 30% of 200 is about 60 people, I consider that a lot.
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A survey which everyone can lie on? Anyways, you're not going to make friends with every single person in the class, it's impossible with 200 people.
 
NontradCA said:
It's nice to know you care enough to write out these long and creepily intimate responses Monica. I unignored you because if I didn't I would miss half the posts in Allo. Yes I'm a med student, and I have a long way to go. That's a lot of time for correction, and hopefully I'm wrong on things (although most likely not).

You're an Attending? And you're still a ******* idiot. Lmao.
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Dermviser's name is Monica... DERMVISER is a GIRL!? 😕😕😕
 
Medical school is definitely not for me, planning on leaving in May 2018. Really though I'm enjoying our block right now, physiology is awesome and amazing, especially when you stop to think about how people figured all this stuff out. Count your blessings instead of your woes and you'll spend your days much happier.
 
Um what's this 3 year pre-clinical thing that people are talking about? Unless you mean repeating a year because of failing, I never heard of it.
 
LostinLift said:
Medical school is definitely not for me, planning on leaving in May 2018. Really though I'm enjoying our block right now, physiology is awesome and amazing, especially when you stop to think about how people figured all this stuff out. Count your blessings instead of your woes and you'll spend your days much happier.
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Why not leave in December, before the next round of student loans are disbursed?
Serous Demilune said:
Um what's this 3 year pre-clinical thing that people are talking about? Unless you mean repeating a year because of failing, I never heard of it.
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It's called a "decompressed" schedule. I knew Caribbean schools did it -- I had no idea US schools allowed it, especially when there's a strict 7 year limit on getting one's MD.
 
DermViser said:
You're shocked that a high percentage of medical students attending medical school have parents who are physicians? Every single one of them are privileged, neurotic, pretentious brats -- the entire 65%?
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I am a neurotic pretentious brat 😀 it's okay though. I don't think I'm malicious or hateful, and so I can live with the other labels. Heh.
 
circulus vitios said:
Why not leave in December, before the next round of student loans are disbursed?

It's called a "decompressed" schedule. I knew Caribbean schools did it -- I had no idea US schools allowed it, especially when there's a strict 7 year limit on getting one's MD.
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My school has 6-year limit ...
 
EMDO2018 said:
Growing up you'd like to think America is a meritocracy, then you get to your mid 20s and you realize privilege is just passed from generation to generation, and disadvantage and hardship is passed from generation to generation. The circumstance we grow up in shape our future. I've seen both sides of it, My aunt was a 16 year old single mom and HS drop out, my cousin is a 16 year old single mom and HS drop out, most of the kids here in med school, have physicians as parents. Every blue moon you have someone like me who makes the leap from growing up on welfare to getting into med school, but its EXTREMELY rare. No not all of my classmates that have physicians as parents are brats, but a huge percentage of the class is as I described.
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What you say is true (though if you are socially cognizant you should realize this before your 20's). First of all, good for you for being an outlier. Upward mobility through education is much more difficult than many people realize (for variety of reasons), props to you for making it this far.

Here's the part you won't like: Resentment of your classmates will get you nowhere. Yes, most of them had it better than you. Let it go. Chances are, there may be a person who had it a lot worse than you, hidden in there. If it was really awful, they probably don't want to bring it up in the Oppression Olympics, and you'll never know about it. Seriously, part of your own development of a person will benefit by finding things to enjoy about people who had lives very different than your own, be it harder or easier. This may grate on you, but in the end, what you will get out if it will be far better than nurturing your bitterness.

Don't forget where you came from, and try to make your previous experiences benefit you. Apply for need based scholarships (this can really help). Remember that each day is part of a great opportunity for you, and another day you are not working for minimum wage plus change in some dead end job that you hate. Remember this, and it will motivate you. Consistent motivation and effort is part of the recipe for success in this juncture of your life. The hamster wheel of debt will be with you for a while, so make your choices about specialty and reimbursement carefully, keeping in mind that if you are careful, you might really be able to help your family in a life changing way down the line, and it will all be from your hard work.

Good luck.
 
LostinLift said:
Medical school is definitely not for me, planning on leaving in May 2018. Really though I'm enjoying our block right now, physiology is awesome and amazing, especially when you stop to think about how people figured all this stuff out. Count your blessings instead of your woes and you'll spend your days much happier.
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I never thought I'd agree with this. 🙁 Despite all my studying, I just bombed the last exam I took. I'm physically, mentally, and emotionally drained at this point with nothing to show for it. The stress is literally making me sick. I feel so defeated. Maybe I'm just not cut out for this, and it's best to find this out now while I'm <$50k in debt.
 
circulus vitios said:
In hindsight, I enjoyed biochemistry and genetics. I enjoy parts of physiology. It's just that the negative aspects of medical school significantly overpower the positive aspects, and I'm going to make a decision before the next round student loans are disbursed.
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Over the past few weeks, I've started to feel this way too. I just don't know if being a doctor is worth all of these torturous years of training. I feel guilty for taking someone else's spot, but I never imagined that I'd end up feeling this way.
 
circulus vitios said:
Why not leave in December, before the next round of student loans are disbursed?

It's called a "decompressed" schedule. I knew Caribbean schools did it -- I had no idea US schools allowed it, especially when there's a strict 7 year limit on getting one's MD.
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Read his date again ---May 2018.

I don't believe there is a 7 year limit to get an MD. Finishing the Steps has a limit.
 
DermViser said:
Read his date again ---May 2018.
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I totally misread that too. :smack: Pardon me, my brain is fried at the moment.

DermViser said:
I don't believe there is a 7 year limit to get an MD. Finishing the Steps has a limit.
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Some schools actually have a 6/7 year limit for granting MD/DO degrees. I think it might depend on state medical license requirements. :shrug:
 
makingthejump said:
We have someone here who is genuinely reaching out for help, why can't everyone just be nice and give him some perspective based on your experiences rather than sit here and talk like an ignorant person
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What you're experiencing here is the "jerk mentality" that permeates throughout premeds, med students, and Physicians.
 
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