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[polykks]

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I know its kinda stupid ranking schools..but I am not so sure what to do.
I am currently accepted to Barry, and NYCPM.
I decided to go to Barry, but suddenly I got a interview offer from AZPOD which I never expected. And I found a website has pod school rankings. AZPOD was the 2nd, Barry was 6th and NYCPM was the 8th. I have no idea how they ranked those, though.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

I know its kinda stupid ranking schools..but I am not so sure what to do.
I am currently accepted to Barry, and NYCPM.
I decided to go to Barry (Since I am from California, I just like Miami better than NYC, and the weather while I was in NYC was damn cold)
, but suddenly I got a interview offer from AZPOD which I never expected. And I found a website has pod school rankings. AZPOD was the 2nd, Barry was 6th and NYCPM was the 8th. I have no idea how they ranked those, though.
What do you guys think about this situation? Do I have to go to the intervew at AZPOD? or stay where I am(Barry)?
I heard that AZPOD lacks of diversity, would that be a problem? (I am Asian)
Any advice, guys?

How can a school increase diversity if everyone is afraid of going b/c of a lack of diversity?

 

[jonwill]

I guess I just don't understand what the big deal is with diversity. People are people. You will all be people in one place (at a pod school) with the exact same goal and striving for the exact same thing. How does ethnicity, gender, etc have anything to do with that?

My decision on a pod school was based largely on where I thought I could get the best education coupled with what I thought would be best for my wife and child (now children).

I recommend making a list of things that are most important to you and basing your decision on those.

 

[roadwarrior]

i had an interview at azpod i declined...not because it isnt a good school but because going to every interview becomes expensive.


if you have the money i'd say check it out. i've heard good things about it (affliated with a major university, good facilities etc). if you like warmer weather you might like arizona.

 

[iceman69]

AZPOD seems like a great programme. However, it is new, and it's graduates are unproven. We've yet to see their match list. That aside they have a great programme. But, if you're a top tier applicant, you may want to apply to the more established schools as they offer more merit based financial aide. The lack of merit based scholarships was the sole reason I declined to interview at AZPOD. They have no large scholarships for P1's like SCPM or Temple does.

 

[polykks]

I don't care the diversity like crazy, but it is true that there are a lot of racisists. I've experienced it a lot.(like from professors, and TAs) It is something that you can't do no matter how hard you try because they just hate you. and that pissed me off, sometimes.
Thank you for the tip, though.

 

[Feli]

...What do you guys think about this situation? Do I have to go to the intervew at AZPOD? or stay where I am(Barry)?
I heard that AZPOD lacks of diversity, would that be a problem? (I am Asian)
Any advice, guys?

Barry is the most culturally diverse pod school while AZ is over 80% caucasian students. These stats may be a bit out of date (I know for certain that there are many Indian/Pakistani students at Barry), but it can give you a rough idea...
http://www.aacpm.org/html/statistics/newpdfs/Matric Stats/06-07_Total_Enroll_College.pdf

As far as "have to go interview," of course you don't have to do anything. As was said, I wouldn't let that student ethnicity factor influence you too much, though.

 

[Stafocker]

I know its kinda stupid ranking schools..but I am not so sure what to do.
I am currently accepted to Barry, and NYCPM.
I decided to go to Barry (Since I am from California, I just like Miami better than NYC, and the weather while I was in NYC was damn cold)
, but suddenly I got a interview offer from AZPOD which I never expected. And I found a website has pod school rankings. AZPOD was the 2nd, Barry was 6th and NYCPM was the 8th. I have no idea how they ranked those, though.
What do you guys think about this situation? Do I have to go to the intervew at AZPOD? or stay where I am(Barry)?
I heard that AZPOD lacks of diversity, would that be a problem? (I am Asian)
Any advice, guys?

Dude, a fellow asian, ha. finally.

Well, Chicago has a great pop with asians and we're pretty active on facebook (i'm betting you're already on there like the rest of us 😉 )

of those schools, AZPOD or Barry is fine. Really, just work hard and you'll make friends whether they're asian or not asian.

I have to say I love Chicago and i still fly back there every month or so just to hang with friends i made, not just at the university (most of them in residency now) but the guys I got to meet through church and other functions. I got to meet a ton of PA's and a few of them had connections at the best bars/clubs in CHicago... yeah, i was lucky.... but i also did well in school and only partied when I truly had free time.

good luck.

 

[Stafocker]

I guess I just don't understand what the big deal is with diversity. People are people. You will all be people in one place (at a pod school) with the exact same goal and striving for the exact same thing. How does ethnicity, gender, etc have anything to do with that?

My decision on a pod school was based largely on where I thought I could get the best education coupled with what I thought would be best for my wife and child (now children).

I recommend making a list of things that are most important to you and basing your decision on those.

Ethnicity and gender and family and religion, yeah they play a role in our lives because "people are people" and people have things that are important to them. I personally wanted a "diverse" place because... well, I'm asian and not white. I'm sure in Detroit, you fit right in and everyone accepts you for being there.

However, it's not like that everywhere else though. Racism isn't the problem as much as comfortablility. There are studies that suggest ppl are more comfortable with others who look, agree with, and believe in similar things with them, as opposed to those who aren't the same looking, diagree, etc. I'm sure it sounds like common sense, but it's amazing how many ppl just dismiss differences as an excuse for not feeling comfortable. If you aren't comfortable, then it affects the rest of your actions, you're ability to discern, think, and learn, so for some ppl they need that level of comfortablity to succeed.

for those who are concerned with "diversity" issues, we shouldn't dismiss the need for comfortability when choosing where we might succeed. If family, comfortability, diversity, etc are important to you, don't let other ppl dismiss them for you.

 

[Stafocker]

How can a school increase diversity if everyone is afraid of going b/c of a lack of diversity?

A lot of ways:

Hire a "diversity" officer... kinda like what most the IVY league schools did.

Keep improving the educational standards at the school, the more competitive, the more applicants, the bigger pool to choose from - yeah affirmative action is evil (i'm an asian who's had it used AGAINST me), but it's better marketing to have a "rainbow" class each year.

Stress the qualities/opportunities it can offer to a diverse student body.

Recruit is more "diverse" areas

Have alumni of all persuasions to mentor more and more ppl.

etc

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

A lot of ways:

Hire a "diversity" officer... kinda like what most the IVY league schools did.

Keep improving the educational standards at the school, the more competitive, the more applicants, the bigger pool to choose from - yeah affirmative action is evil (i'm an asian who's had it used AGAINST me), but it's better marketing to have a "rainbow" class each year.

Stress the qualities/opportunities it can offer to a diverse student body.

Recruit is more "diverse" areas

Have alumni of all persuasions to mentor more and more ppl.

etc

So, you think that doing these things will bring minorities to DM over Chicago, or New York or Miami or SF or Cleveland? I think that there are lots of preconceived motions about certain cities and regions. I can tell you from living in different areas that there is more racial tension some cities with lots of diversity such as the South.

By the way, DMU has a multicultural department. We take a short diversity course in our first year. They actively recruit minorities and lower socioeconomic students (I was a speaker/mentor at the a summer recruitment week). So why are the classes still mostly Caucasian?

I believe that most minorities students believe that they will feel uncomfortable in DM without ever visiting.

 

[JEWmongous]

Concerning AZPOD, I was REALLY excited to go there on my interview day and ended up disappointed actually. A number of people hype the school up a lot on the student doctor network. Anywho, everything just seemed unorganized and we were thrown with the DO applicants for pretty much all of the day. We only ended up talking to one podiatry student, and that was by accident as he passed through the cafeteria during our lunchtime. There was not much info on the podiatry program specifically besides like 30-45 minutes with the dean. I know they really integrate the DO and DPM students, but it would have been helpful to hear more information on what is offered at AZPOD.

+ for me: Part of a university system, small class size, perfect first time pass rate on the part 1 boards, nice desert oasis campus, basic sciences are with the DO's for 2 years, sunny weather (however the day i was there we were blessed with a monsoon), dean seems to have a great vision for the school, high admission stats, "real" interview experience (3 on 1) very similar to des moines university. None of the bs that a few schools do where you are interviewed by a lawyer or MS in education who know very little about podiatric medicine.

- for me: The student population seemed to be REALLY white, even moreso than des moines. I was told the majority of students are mormon (not to stereotype but very often married with kids already), which is fine, but very different from what I'm used to. The pod students have summer courses which I feel can lead to burnout since you're in school year round. Tests every monday. No merit scholarships yet. Like I said, I felt an unorganized interview day with little info on the most important thing, the program itself. No info on the clinical years and placements in the phoenix metro area. The school seems to be expanding programs really fast (100 more students in the DO class this year, just began a dental program, etc). Kind of a bummer for basic sciences as there would be 100 more students in the lecture halls.

 

[jonwill]

I'm sure in Detroit, you fit right in and everyone accepts you for being there.

Dude, you realize you are talking to a white guy living in Detroit!!!!

But some serious food for thought: Isn't "Diversity" just politically correct racism???

I believe that as hard as schools or programs try, their demographics will largely mirror that of the surrounding area for obvious reasons and I don't think that their is anything wrong with that.

 

[bdaddyjolley]

for those who are concerned with "diversity" issues, we shouldn't dismiss the need for comfortability when choosing where we might succeed. If family, comfortability, diversity, etc are important to you, don't let other ppl dismiss them for you.

This is true. I would add however though that I think it is good to experience things you aren't used to. This builds character in my opinion and can help one grow by being outside their comfort zone. I think very highly of those who can succeed very well in uncomfortable situations and learn to get through it. But in the end it is a personal choice. But I would say don't be scared if there are people not like you. If a person happens to not be like you, is there anything wrong with being around them? Maybe you can learn something from them and they can learn from you. I married someone from outside my race and I tell you it has been great to learn so many things that I hadn't been accustomed to. Well, truthfully some of things were wierd like when the uncle tried to take my sons crying away by rubbing an egg on his stomach, then touching his head with it and finally cracking it in a bowl believing that once the egg was cracked, the crying would follow it in the bowl. . But hey, now I have a great story to tell.

 

[Buspar]

Ethnicity and gender and family and religion, yeah they play a role in our lives because "people are people" and people have things that are important to them. I personally wanted a "diverse" place because... well, I'm asian and not white. I'm sure in Detroit, you fit right in and everyone accepts you for being there.

However, it's not like that everywhere else though. Racism isn't the problem as much as comfortablility. There are studies that suggest ppl are more comfortable with others who look, agree with, and believe in similar things with them, as opposed to those who aren't the same looking, diagree, etc. I'm sure it sounds like common sense, but it's amazing how many ppl just dismiss differences as an excuse for not feeling comfortable. If you aren't comfortable, then it affects the rest of your actions, you're ability to discern, think, and learn, so for some ppl they need that level of comfortablity to succeed.

for those who are concerned with "diversity" issues, we shouldn't dismiss the need for comfortability when choosing where we might succeed. If family, comfortability, diversity, etc are important to you, don't let other ppl dismiss them for you.

👍👍

 

[Buspar]

This is true. I would add however though that I think it is good to experience things you aren't used to. This builds character in my opinion and can help one grow by being outside their comfort zone. I think very highly of those who can succeed very well in uncomfortable situations and learn to get through it. But in the end it is a personal choice. But I would say don't be scared if there are people not like you. If a person happens to not be like you, is there anything wrong with being around them? Maybe you can learn something from them and they can learn from you. I married someone from outside my race and I tell you it has been great to learn so many things that I hadn't been accustomed to. Well, truthfully some of things were wierd like when the uncle tried to take my sons crying away by rubbing an egg on his stomach, then touching his head with it and finally cracking it in a bowl believing that once the egg was cracked, the crying would follow it in the bowl. . But hey, now I have a great story to tell.

There is nothing wrong with being around people who are not like you, but from my experience you are often not welcomed...some people are still not ok with integration. I experienced racism from my school, which is about 85% white and my neighborhood, which is 99.9% white. I too am looking for diversity because I don't want to be the center of attention anymore.😳

 

[Stafocker]

So, you think that doing these things will bring minorities to DM over Chicago, or New York or Miami or SF or Cleveland? I think that there are lots of preconceived motions about certain cities and regions. I can tell you from living in different areas that there is more racial tension some cities with lots of diversity such as the South.

By the way, DMU has a multicultural department. We take a short diversity course in our first year. They actively recruit minorities and lower socioeconomic students (I was a speaker/mentor at the a summer recruitment week). So why are the classes still mostly Caucasian?

I believe that most minorities students believe that they will feel uncomfortable in DM without ever visiting.

Yes, if you have the best program in the nation, they will come, ppl will talk and alumni will boast. DMU is a great school, but white or black or rainbow, it's still Iowa and you're going to have to offer something more, something better, something that really takes the cake, regardless of race.

 

[Stafocker]

Dude, you realize you are talking to a white guy living in Detroit!!!!

But some serious food for thought: Isn't "Diversity" just politically correct racism???

I believe that as hard as schools or programs try, their demographics will largely mirror that of the surrounding area for obvious reasons and I don't think that their is anything wrong with that.

haha, yeah dude, you had mentioned that a long time ago. I kinda hoping you'd understand where the rest of us are coming from since YOU are a minority in detroit 😉 I'm glad you feel comfortable there, but I don't think a lot of ppl would (regardless of race). People are people, and we are all unique in what levels us and prepares us to succeed, and some ppl (those who choose a "diverse" area) think they'll do better somewhere else.

"diversity" really depends on how it's used. Just like in the case of "podiatry". You can use it as a positive term or a negative term. Some ppl are proud of the word "podiatry", but some ppl associate it with negative stereotypes. I don't really like the word, but I know that Podiatric Medicine/Surgery defines my profession, it doesn't define me. You can same the same about race. "asian" defines my race, but it doesn't define me. "diversity" can be used as a racist term, or not, but the word shouldn't define someone as a racist. So even if it does sound bothersome why "diversity" is pursued by some, it doesn't mean it's a negative position.

Schools and programs can change their demographics, considering all the pod schools are private schools. Look at some of the undergraduate universities or graduate schools, there's a lot of variation between general pop and student population.

But back to the point your original post - if ppl feel they need diversity to succeed, then who can oppose or question their path toward success.

 

[Stafocker]

This is true. I would add however though that I think it is good to experience things you aren't used to. This builds character in my opinion and can help one grow by being outside their comfort zone. I think very highly of those who can succeed very well in uncomfortable situations and learn to get through it. But in the end it is a personal choice. But I would say don't be scared if there are people not like you. If a person happens to not be like you, is there anything wrong with being around them? Maybe you can learn something from them and they can learn from you. I married someone from outside my race and I tell you it has been great to learn so many things that I hadn't been accustomed to. Well, truthfully some of things were wierd like when the uncle tried to take my sons crying away by rubbing an egg on his stomach, then touching his head with it and finally cracking it in a bowl believing that once the egg was cracked, the crying would follow it in the bowl. . But hey, now I have a great story to tell.

lol, 👍

 

[Dr. Gangrene]

Concerning AZPOD, I was REALLY excited to go there on my interview day and ended up disappointed actually. A number of people hype the school up a lot on the student doctor network. Anywho, everything just seemed unorganized and we were thrown with the DO applicants for pretty much all of the day. We only ended up talking to one podiatry student, and that was by accident as he passed through the cafeteria during our lunchtime. There was not much info on the podiatry program specifically besides like 30-45 minutes with the dean. I know they really integrate the DO and DPM students, but it would have been helpful to hear more information on what is offered at AZPOD.

+ for me: Part of a university system, small class size, perfect first time pass rate on the part 1 boards, nice desert oasis campus, basic sciences are with the DO's for 2 years, sunny weather (however the day i was there we were blessed with a monsoon), dean seems to have a great vision for the school, high admission stats, "real" interview experience (3 on 1) very similar to des moines university. None of the bs that a few schools do where you are interviewed by a lawyer or MS in education who know very little about podiatric medicine.

- for me: The student population seemed to be REALLY white, even moreso than des moines. I was told the majority of students are mormon (not to stereotype but very often married with kids already), which is fine, but very different from what I'm used to. The pod students have summer courses which I feel can lead to burnout since you're in school year round. Tests every monday. No merit scholarships yet. Like I said, I felt an unorganized interview day with little info on the most important thing, the program itself. No info on the clinical years and placements in the phoenix metro area. The school seems to be expanding programs really fast (100 more students in the DO class this year, just began a dental program, etc). Kind of a bummer for basic sciences as there would be 100 more students in the lecture halls.

Speaking as a student.
I do not regret coming to AZPOD at all. You know that question during your interview, the "What is your biggest weakness?" question... Well, AZPOD's is the interview process. It is not organized. I work with admissions on pod interviews, and we have let them and the Azpod faculty know about the feeling of disarray during interviews. The Azpod faculty are aware and concerned and working to improve this. Remember, just 4 years into the program, there will inevitably be some kinks to work out.

If you want the honest low down on Azpod, pm me.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

Yes, if you have the best program in the nation, they will come, ppl will talk and alumni will boast. But, I think you mean "most students" believe that they will feel uncomfortable at DMU, cause even though it's mostly white, it's still a smaller number then the larger schools like NY, Temple, Chicago. DMU is a great school, but white or black or rainbow, it's still Iowa and you're going to have to offer something more, something better, something that really takes the cake, regardless of race.

You say that a great school people will come, and then state that DMU is a great school but needs to offer more even.

Also I did say most:

I believe that most minorities students believe that they will feel uncomfortable in DM without ever visiting.

My thought is yes the class is smaller so even if 25% of the class is a minority, that is only 10 students. So again, if you are a minority student you would see that they only have 40 minorities students in the program. Scholl or NYCPM have that in a lab group. So the size of the class matters.

I agree with Jonwill but that racial profiling a class is is political correctness. But as my minority friends say having that view is the luxury of being a white male. I just don't really care what race, sex, religion or sexual orientation a person is, I use my own classification system: 1) Friends 2) Bungholes 3) People I don't know.

 

[krabmas]

Just another way of looking at the racism thing...

This was explained to me by a person of another race about what racism was to them. They felt it was based on power and not numbers. They felt that if 5 white people were in a room with 20 black people or any other minority but the white people were all elected to official positions then the minority oppinion would not be recognised.

This was close to the case at NYCPM. The school is very diverse and even the student government is pretty diverse but some of the minority students at times felt that the student government did not represent them.

I certainly could not understand where they were coming from since I am not a minority and have never chosen to see my self from a position of the weak one or of less. I also did not understand how if we are all podiatry students attempting to get the best education possible how could we not all be represented?

But it is another thought in the subject.

 

[Stafocker]

You say that a great school people will come, and then state that DMU is a great school but needs to offer more even.

Also I did say most:


My thought is yes the class is smaller so even if 25% of the class is a minority, that is only 10 students. So again, if you are a minority student you would see that they only have 40 minorities students in the program. Scholl or NYCPM have that in a lab group. So the size of the class matters.

I agree with Jonwill but that racial profiling a class is is political correctness. But as my minority friends say having that view is the luxury of being a white male. I just don't really care what race, sex, religion or sexual orientation a person is, I use my own classification system: 1) Friends 2) Bungholes 3) People I don't know.

???

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

??? did you read my post.... I said if you had the "Best" school ppl will come (not necessarily minorities, but all types of ppl). PPL go to Harvard not because it's in boston, but because it's the best (my opinion) and all types of ppl apply, and they are able to get that diverse arena that these students feel would be best for them. To the admissions committee at Harvard, if you want to go to the best school, you should be able to succeed in their "diverse" environment. This doesn't reflect the community of Boston as it does a unique atmosphere of ppl from all 50 states and almost 100 different countries. You could probably say this about most elite private schools.

DMU is a great school, but I didnt' say the "best", so yeah, they need to offer more cause they are competing with other great schools. I'm really confused with your posting.

Yeah you said "most"... but I was pointing out that "most students" not necessarily "most minority students" would not feel comfortable at DMU (ppl who are white or not white don't go to DMU, so it's not just "minority" students who don't feel comfortable at DMU.... cause... well... unless it's the best, why choose it over other great schools with other/different opportunties to offer?)

Dude, did you read your own post? if you have "friends" that are of a minority, then shouldn't they be "friends" instead of "my minority friends" even when you have your "own classification system".... why not just call them your "friends".... again, being a minority doesn't define them to you (i hope not), but being your "friend" defines them. If you don't really care, why call them your "minority" friends.... I believe you don't mean any of this, but it can be construed in any way especially on a forum. You are entitled and responsible for your own words. it's a slippery slope.... so just be careful.

I don't know Jonwill, but he does what he thinks is best for his family and is getting a great education, and probably a very fat paycheck later. So like him, why can't this kid who started this forum go somewhere where he feels comfortable enough to succeed? When choosing a school or your own road to success, why let other ppl's opinions about "diversity" influence what you feel you need to succeed? It's like debating religion or politics in this forum...

You question if I read you post, I think you need to do the same. You are only seeing what you want.

First, people do go to Harvard for the reputation. But do you think that a Hispanic student from LA would chose Standford or Harvard? Even Berkley, UCLA, or USC or Harvard? I know of lots of people that chose Harvard over Notre Dame or Creighton b/c of Boston. I'm not sure why you are all about Harvard, MTI is probably as diverse for covering states and nations.

I'm sorry to say that your most student claim is way off. DMU rejects more students than any other school. Of course, they have the luxury of having a smaller class size but most students have interest in DMU. I guess I misunderstood your ignorant statement.

The reason I point out most minority students is b/c commonly people state that DMU lacks diveristy as the OP stated about AZPOD. DMU does not have trouble recruiting students by any stretch of the imagination but they do seem to have a low percentage of minority students. So, it is probably safe to assume that they are not able to get as many minority students to matriculate (b/c we both know that there are lots of great minority candidates). Therefore, if 40% of the applicants are minorities (per the AACPM website), yet the classes are generally 80% Caucasian something is happening to those interested applicants.

Next, what are you Hillary Clinton? You are twisting my words and not looking at the meaning. One, if my white friends told me "That is the luxury of being white." I wouldn't make any sense and sounds very racists. Therefore, my minority friends, yes my friends that are black, Hispanic, Asian, AKA not Caucasian or traditional of European descent (Am I speaking at a level you can understand???) have said "that is the luxury of being white." Because I cannot be black or Asian, I cannot understand life as a minority. It is difficult to see the forest from the trees, in other words, it is difficult to see advantages of being white when you are white.

I hope you can fully understand my post and if you can't catch it from my post, I am extremely unhappy. I responded to the poster to let him know that schools cannot change its racial make up if people say "it doesn't have diversity." Assumptions, luck, class size, region, heck weather has more control over the racial make up of the school than administrators.

 

[Stafocker]

You question if I read you post, I think you need to do the same. You are only seeing what you want.

First, people do go to Harvard for the reputation. But do you think that a Hispanic student from LA would chose Standford or Harvard? Even Berkley, UCLA, or USC or Harvard? I know of lots of people that chose Harvard over Notre Dame or Creighton b/c of Boston. I'm not sure why you are all about Harvard, MTI is probably as diverse for covering states and nations.

I'm sorry to say that your most student claim is way off. DMU rejects more students than any other school. Of course, they have the luxury of having a smaller class size but most students have interest in DMU. I guess I misunderstood your ignorant statement.

The reason I point out most minority students is b/c commonly people state that DMU lacks diveristy as the OP stated about AZPOD. DMU does not have trouble recruiting students by any stretch of the imagination but they do seem to have a low percentage of minority students. So, it is probably safe to assume that they are not able to get as many minority students to matriculate (b/c we both know that there are lots of great minority candidates). Therefore, if 40% of the applicants are minorities (per the AACPM website), yet the classes are generally 80% Caucasian something is happening to those interested applicants.

Next, what are you Hillary Clinton? You are twisting my words and not looking at the meaning. One, if my white friends told me "That is the luxury of being white." I wouldn't make any sense and sounds very racists. Therefore, my minority friends, yes my friends that are black, Hispanic, Asian, AKA not Caucasian or traditional of European descent (Am I speaking at a level you can understand???) have said "that is the luxury of being white." Because I cannot be black or Asian, I cannot understand life as a minority. It is difficult to see the forest from the trees, in other words, it is difficult to see advantages of being white when you are white.

I hope you can fully understand my post and if you can't catch it from my post, I am extremely unhappy. I responded to the poster to let him know that schools cannot change its racial make up if people say "it doesn't have diversity." Assumptions, luck, class size, region, heck weather has more control over the racial make up of the school than administrators.

Harvard.

 

[Cheetos]

I don't care the diversity like crazy, but it is true that there are a lot of racisists. I've experienced it a lot.(like from professors, and TAs) It is something that you can't do no matter how hard you try because they just hate you. and that pissed me off, sometimes.
Thank you for the tip, though.

You should not let diversity be the main deciding factor in where you want to go to school unless your sole reason in going to grad school is to find a wife of your race 😛 The way I look at it is it's all in your head. Sure you've had a few bad experiences with racism but you should not let a few bad apples ultimately decide your future otherwise that just shows that you've succumbed to their weakness. The environment in grad school is much more of a professional one. The moment the first exam hits, you become way too busy to realize what color other ppl are and you learn to work together in order to survive. I myself am also Asian and am a current student at AZPOD. People don't treat me any different, in fact, the people that I've met here are probably some of the nicest people I've met. I don't regret coming to AZ and don't forget, we are integrated with the DOs so that'll give you more different types of ppl to meet if you're still not convinced. As a student, you'll soon realize that you'll be more focused on surviving that next exam than what your peers think of you.

As for my continuing search to find my future wife, I guess I should start hanging out in the Pharmacy building

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

before I begin: Harvard.

So, what does a "hispanic" student from LA choosing Harvard over Stanford mean? Or Berkeley or UCLA? So if people go to Harvard for the reputation, do you mean, the reputation for being the "best?" Right? They are not choosing it for location, but reputation. (btw, how are you an expert on Hispanic students?) Can't just a "student" from LA choose Harvard over Stanford? I think you're getting way over your head with this statement, just edit it. Before you reply, think about PM if you're going to say something about another race.

So Harvard can choose from ppl from all over the world, because they have the reputation of being the best, but their demographics doesn't reflect Boston's demographics, i'm confused again by your point..... I believe DMU can be Harvard if it chooses to, and therefore doesn't have to reflect its surrounding. Assumptions, luck, class size, region, weather has more control than administrators, then how does "DMU rejects more students"?.... doesn't it have more control on who it rejects??.....

Since when did this become an attack on DMU? I read my old posts again, and Yeah i said DMU is a great school. I said if it was the "best" school, then it would get EVEN MORE applicants to choose from. Also, because Minorities aren't the only ones to reject DMU, that's why I tried to change your opinion that "most students" and not "most minority students" who reject DMU. Because it's not just minorites who reject DMU, dude. ppl can reject DMU for a lot of reasons (whether they are caucasian or not), but that doesn't mean it's not a great school. it works both ways, schools can reject and students can reject.

(BTW how is rejecting the most students something to brag about? How is that a good thing? Does that mean a school has a large applicant pool or a large pool of poor applicants?? Rejecting students hasn't been a successful bragging point for any alumni to boast about, i don't think it's common for Harvard to stand on it's merits of #1 in rejections as it's reason for being the best school in the nation (actually, I don't think Harvard is #1 in rejections, but anyways). I don't understand this point about rejections.)

If you know ppl who choose Harvard because of "Boston", would it be that hard to assume (minority or non-minority) people don't choose DMU because it's in Iowa? So how does DMU overcome that? I said "DMU is a great school, but it needs to offer more" because it needs to be the BEST school. The idea of "reputation" that you mentioned with "harvard" should be the tipping point. Reputation of being the best, if DMU strives for this, will overcome these negative notions about Iowa. The best will come because they want to go to the best, and even more will come for DMU to choose from. If ppl are uncomfortable with DMU because of it's lack of diversity, by lifting the bar in Education and standards, DMU can overcome this by improving an already high standard of education. Is this fair? No, but it'll help in bringing more minorities to the door and help overlook/outweigh the lack of diversity until it does become diverse. (btw, how does Creighton or ND get in the conversation with Harvard? Princeton, Stanford, yeah, but ppl choosing Harvard over CT or ND really isn't hard to see.....I mean seriously, choosing Harvard over CT and ND is like choosing #1 over.... what are CT and ND ranked??)

"I guess I misunderstood your ignorant statement" - haha. dude, read this again. it's funny cause you're claiming ignorance over an ignorant statement. but this is a side-point.

Clinton? haha. Dude, politics, it's getting slippery for you man. I think someone posted something about Romney in Iowa a while ago, man, that really fired up a lot of passion, haha.

"Classification system"... really stupid thing to say about ppl. It just is man. It's something you have to watch out, but you can take it back (simple edit function on SDN). I said, be careful, and I also said, "I believe you don't mean this." Btw the analogy of "forest and trees" is good, so step back, take a breathe, and look at what you wrote. I said, I know you didn't mean any of that in the way it's written, but it can be misconstrued.... it's on my old post dude... seriously.

Schools can change their racial make up as they have for years. Harvard, MIT (not MTI), Stanford weren't always diverse. Scholl wasn't either. But they didn't start accepting more from the surrounding areas, they got more applicants from around the nation (even though it's tuition is one of the highest). Scholl used their "advantages" over the other schools, advantages like Chicago, great alumni, mentoring, etc. Because DMU doesn't have Chicago, it's gotta find that other "advantage", and for DMU, my answer for them is to be the BEST in Podiatric Medicine and Surgery education in the country. That's how DMU can get diverse.

Lastly, I know of a great Chiropractic college in Iowa. It's in small town of Davenport. It attracts international students and has probably a great diverse student body. It claims to be the best and most Chiropractors (at least from Chicago) say it is the best. I don't know how it compares to other Chiro colleges, but by being the best, DMU can also overcome it's "in the middle of nowhere" stereotype (i'm exaggerating, but that's the point).

Your not worth the time.

 

[indycolts]

I was hoping that any/all of you could voice an opinion on whether or not I should go to Ohio or Temple. I realize that Temple has a ton of great clinical experience, but I still don't know what to do between the 2 schools.... any other (hidden) pros and cons would be greatly appreciated...

 

[bdaddyjolley]

I was hoping that any/all of you could voice an opinion on whether or not I should go to Ohio or Temple. I realize that Temple has a ton of great clinical experience, but I still don't know what to do between the 2 schools.... any other (hidden) pros and cons would be greatly appreciated...

You should interview at both and see what you like and don't like. In the end, it is where you feel you will be the most successful. In passing, Temple Rocks! 😀

 

[indycolts]

Yea, I interviewed at both and got into both, but now I want to find any info that would make me lean more toward one school over the other...I have plenty of info from both schools after visiting them, but I was hoping a current student(s) could give me inside info on either school

 

[OSUDDS]

considering no one knows what you already know

why dont you ask some questions that you would like answered?

 

[krabmas]

(BTW how is rejecting the most students something to brag about? How is that a good thing? Does that mean a school has a large applicant pool or a large pool of poor applicants?? Rejecting students hasn't been a successful bragging point for any alumni to boast about, i don't think it's common for Harvard to stand on it's merits of #1 in rejections as it's reason for being the best school in the nation (actually, I don't think Harvard is #1 in rejections, but anyways). I don't understand this point about rejections.)

Just for the info. The US News rankings for undergrads (including harvard) are partly based on the percentage of applicants accepted. This also means percentage rejected.

So it definitely makes a difference how many people are rejected from a school.

 

[indycolts]

I was just talking more about stuff that no one would know unless they were actually a student.......such as how personal the professors are, is there easy access to get help if need be etc.....random stuff like that.

 

[Buspar]

before I begin: Harvard.

So, what does a "hispanic" student from LA choosing Harvard over Stanford mean? Or Berkeley or UCLA? So if people go to Harvard for the reputation, do you mean, the reputation for being the "best?" Right? They are not choosing it for location, but reputation. (btw, how are you an expert on Hispanic students?) Can't just a "student" from LA choose Harvard over Stanford? I think you're getting way over your head with this statement, just edit it. Before you reply, think about PM if you're going to say something about another race.

So Harvard can choose from ppl from all over the world, because they have the reputation of being the best, but their demographics doesn't reflect Boston's demographics, i'm confused again by your point..... I believe DMU can be Harvard if it chooses to, and therefore doesn't have to reflect its surrounding. Assumptions, luck, class size, region, weather has more control than administrators, then how does "DMU rejects more students"?.... doesn't it have more control on who it rejects??.....

Since when did this become an attack on DMU? I read my old posts again, and Yeah i said DMU is a great school. I said if it was the "best" school, then it would get EVEN MORE applicants to choose from. Also, because Minorities aren't the only ones to reject DMU, that's why I tried to change your opinion that "most students" and not "most minority students" who reject DMU. Because it's not just minorites who reject DMU, dude. ppl can reject DMU for a lot of reasons (whether they are caucasian or not), but that doesn't mean it's not a great school. it works both ways, schools can reject and students can reject.

(BTW how is rejecting the most students something to brag about? How is that a good thing? Does that mean a school has a large applicant pool or a large pool of poor applicants?? Rejecting students hasn't been a successful bragging point for any alumni to boast about, i don't think it's common for Harvard to stand on it's merits of #1 in rejections as it's reason for being the best school in the nation (actually, I don't think Harvard is #1 in rejections, but anyways). I don't understand this point about rejections.)

If you know ppl who choose Harvard because of "Boston", would it be that hard to assume (minority or non-minority) people don't choose DMU because it's in Iowa? So how does DMU overcome that? I said "DMU is a great school, but it needs to offer more" because it needs to be the BEST school. The idea of "reputation" that you mentioned with "harvard" should be the tipping point. Reputation of being the best, if DMU strives for this, will overcome these negative notions about Iowa. The best will come because they want to go to the best, and even more will come for DMU to choose from. If ppl are uncomfortable with DMU because of it's lack of diversity, by lifting the bar in Education and standards, DMU can overcome this by improving an already high standard of education. Is this fair? No, but it'll help in bringing more minorities to the door and help overlook/outweigh the lack of diversity until it does become diverse. (btw, how does Creighton or ND get in the conversation with Harvard? Princeton, Stanford, yeah, but ppl choosing Harvard over CT or ND really isn't hard to see.....I mean seriously, choosing Harvard over CT and ND is like choosing #1 over.... what are CT and ND ranked??)

"I guess I misunderstood your ignorant statement" - haha. dude, read this again. it's funny cause you're claiming ignorance over an ignorant statement. but this is a side-point.

Clinton? haha. Dude, politics, it's getting slippery for you man. I think someone posted something about Romney in Iowa a while ago, man, that really fired up a lot of passion, haha.

"Classification system"... really stupid thing to say about ppl. It just is man. It's something you have to watch out, but you can take it back (simple edit function on SDN). I said, be careful, and I also said, "I believe you don't mean this." Btw the analogy of "forest and trees" is good, so step back, take a breathe, and look at what you wrote. I said, I know you didn't mean any of that in the way it's written, but it can be misconstrued.... it's on my old post dude... seriously.

Schools can change their racial make up as they have for years. Harvard, MIT (not MTI), Stanford weren't always diverse. Scholl wasn't either. But they didn't start accepting more from the surrounding areas, they got more applicants from around the nation (even though it's tuition is one of the highest). Scholl used their "advantages" over the other schools, advantages like Chicago, great alumni, mentoring, etc. Because DMU doesn't have Chicago, it's gotta find that other "advantage", and for DMU, my answer for them is to be the BEST in Podiatric Medicine and Surgery education in the country. That's how DMU can get diverse.

Lastly, I know of a great Chiropractic college in Iowa. It's in small town of Davenport. It attracts international students and has probably a great diverse student body. It claims to be the best and most Chiropractors (at least from Chicago) say it is the best. I don't know how it compares to other Chiro colleges, but by being the best, DMU can also overcome it's "in the middle of nowhere" stereotype (i'm exaggerating, but that's the point).

LOl...👍👍

 

[discusdan]

Da Bears

 

[OSUDDS]

I was just talking more about stuff that no one would know unless they were actually a student.......such as how personal the professors are, is there easy access to get help if need be etc.....random stuff like that.

i dont have the time to get into specifics right now, but im in my first year at ocpm. so far the professors have been great about meeting outside of class and such, also getting tutoring and going to review sessions i easily accessible. its been great in that respect.

 

[jonwill]

Da Bears

I second that

 

[WannaBeDPM]

As for "Da Bears" - we'll be back next year and we will be slightly better...same with the bulls...

I wonder if any Podiatrists have daily PODcasts that we can download...you know some interesting facts or cases....

K I really don't care I just wanted to say PODCAST because I thought it was cool...get it? POD-casts....[slaps knee]...

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[meats]

I wonder if any Podiatrists have daily PODcasts that we can download...you know some interesting facts or cases....

K I really don't care I just wanted to say PODCAST because I thought it was cool...get it? POD-casts....[slaps knee]...

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LOL

 

[dpmgrad]

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[dpmgrad]

I am also an asian guy. When I interviewed at DMU, I had an interesting experience there. Since I got to Des Moines a day before my interview, I decided to check out the downtown area of Des Moines (the glass tunnels that connect the buildings are a cool idea) and other areas. I ended up going into my first Target store (there weren't any Target stores in the Northeast at the time) near the hotel where DMU had told the interviewees to stay at. In the store, there was a little girl who had asked her mom if I was what a real oriental person looked like in real life. Of course, the mom immediately apologized and we both laughed at it. In reality, that did make me feel somewhat uncomfortable. This is when I realized that I would be more comfortable in environments that are more diversified. As Buspar said, I am really not interested in being the center of attention.

 

[bdaddyjolley]

I am also an asian guy. When I interviewed at DMU, I had an interesting experience there. Since I got to Des Moines a day before my interview, I decided to check out the downtown area of Des Moines (the glass tunnels that connect the buildings are a cool idea) and other areas. I ended up going into my first Target store (there weren't any Target stores in the Northeast at the time) near the hotel where DMU had told the interviewees to stay at. In the store, there was a little girl who had asked her mom if I was what a real oriental person looked like in real life. Of course, the mom immediately apologized and we both laughed at it. In reality, that did make me feel somewhat uncomfortable. This is when I realized that I would be more comfortable in environments that are more diversified. As Buspar said, I am really not interested in being the center of attention.

I can understand what you mean. The only thing I would add is that it is interesting to look at it from the other side. Obviously this little girl didn't have too much contact with Asians or maybe any other race. So it was different for her too. But the question is this. How can we get rid of this if people aren't willing to intermingle? There was a time when diverse areas right now were not diverse at all but over time that changed by different people from different cultures moving in. It has to begin somewhere. However I am not suggesting it has to begin with you. This is just a thought not and not intended to be an argument. I have had uncomfortable experiences myself when men of my wifes race (which I am not of) give me dirty looks for being with her (and this was not uncommon back in CA where it is supposed to be really diverse and tolerant). But I don't let it get to me because I know their jealous of me being with her and they wish they were. So I do try to look at things from different angles and that's why I brought this up.

 

[Stafocker]

I am also an asian guy. When I interviewed at DMU, I had an interesting experience there. Since I got to Des Moines a day before my interview, I decided to check out the downtown area of Des Moines (the glass tunnels that connect the buildings are a cool idea) and other areas. I ended up going into my first Target store (there weren't any Target stores in the Northeast at the time) near the hotel where DMU had told the interviewees to stay at. In the store, there was a little girl who had asked her mom if I was what a real oriental person looked like in real life. Of course, the mom immediately apologized and we both laughed at it. In reality, that did make me feel somewhat uncomfortable. This is when I realized that I would be more comfortable in environments that are more diversified. As Buspar said, I am really not interested in being the center of attention.

I think every Asian guy has a story like this, haha.

 

[Stafocker]

I can understand what you mean. The only thing I would add is that it is interesting to look at it from the other side. Obviously this little girl didn't have too much contact with Asians or maybe any other race. So it was different for her too. But the question is this. How can we get rid of this if people aren't willing to intermingle? There was a time when diverse areas right now were not diverse at all but over time that changed by different people from different cultures moving in. It has to begin somewhere. However I am not suggesting it has to begin with you. This is just a thought not and not intended to be an argument. I have had uncomfortable experiences myself when men of my wifes race (which I am not of) give me dirty looks for being with her (and this was not uncommon back in CA where it is supposed to be really diverse and tolerant). But I don't let it get to me because I know their jealous of me being with her and they wish they were. So I do try to look at things from different angles and that's why I brought this up.

haha, yeah dude, i think ppl were more jealous than anything! congrats on having a hot wife! 😉

I think DPMgrad did the right thing just laughing it off, it was an innocent girl, and according to Feelgood, he was even brave enough to show up for the interview. I think we all do step out of our comfort zone now and then, being that we are all minorities depending on teh situation. I totally do agree with you, in order for areas to experience diversity, we have to be willing to step into areas we might not be the majority (kinda like Jonwill). My hat's off to ppl who willing do it and succeed at it.

 

[Stafocker]

Just for the info. The US News rankings for undergrads (including harvard) are partly based on the percentage of applicants accepted. This also means percentage rejected.

So it definitely makes a difference how many people are rejected from a school.

yes, good point, if the average applicant's GPA, SAT/ACT, class rank, etc are also listed on the formula for ranking. So the percentage of rejections does matter when ALL of that is taken into account. US NEWS can rank these schools because the information is released, but for POD schools, % of rejections doesn't mean much if you don't know who is applying. just my two cents, though I wish US News would start ranking Pod schools, too.

btw, i'm not dissing DMU, i don't know how that got started or why he had a hissyfit (sp)

 

[Stafocker]

As for "Da Bears" - we'll be back next year and we will be slightly better...same with the bulls...

I wonder if any Podiatrists have daily PODcasts that we can download...you know some interesting facts or cases....

K I really don't care I just wanted to say PODCAST because I thought it was cool...get it? POD-casts....[slaps knee]...

👍

there's actually a few on iTunes, believe it or not.

 

[dpmgrad]

I can understand what you mean. The only thing I would add is that it is interesting to look at it from the other side. Obviously this little girl didn't have too much contact with Asians or maybe any other race. So it was different for her too. But the question is this. How can we get rid of this if people aren't willing to intermingle? There was a time when diverse areas right now were not diverse at all but over time that changed by different people from different cultures moving in. It has to begin somewhere. However I am not suggesting it has to begin with you. This is just a thought not and not intended to be an argument. I have had uncomfortable experiences myself when men of my wifes race (which I am not of) give me dirty looks for being with her (and this was not uncommon back in CA where it is supposed to be really diverse and tolerant). But I don't let it get to me because I know their jealous of me being with her and they wish they were. So I do try to look at things from different angles and that's why I brought this up.

I think that we all try to step out of comfort zone to experience new things in life. For me, I have spent a month living in Louisville, KY and Ohio. It was my way of stepping out of my comfort zone and experiencing new things. Despite my parents freaking out, I had a great time in Louisville. However, I also learned that I am more comfortable in environments that have more asian people like the major metropolitan areas in US and California and Northeast US. On the other hand, my cousin was not so lucky. He had a horrible time when he did his orthopedic hand fellowship in Mississippi. He had to deal with a significan amount of racism.

I agree with you about looking at things from a different perspective. For example, when the little girl said that comment when I was in Iowa, I did laugh it off because I realize what you had said. Perhaps, she had never seen a real life asian person before. However, from my perspective, it is somewhat discomforting to stand out.

I agree with you that we should try to intermingle. From my perspective, I think that racism is a product of our upbringing. In my opinion, some of the racism is so deep rooted, intermingling will not change anything. As a white classmate from the South would tell me, there are towns in the deep South that even African Americans would not step foot in today.

Lastly, it is great that you married someone outside your race. As you said, you guys get to learn a great deal from each other.

 

[bdaddyjolley]

I think that we all try to step out of comfort zone to experience new things in life. For me, I have spent a month living in Louisville, KY and Ohio. It was my way of stepping out of my comfort zone and experiencing new things. Despite my parents freaking out, I had a great time in Louisville. However, I also learned that I am more comfortable in environments that have more asian people like the major metropolitan areas in US and California and Northeast US. On the other hand, my cousin was not so lucky. He had a horrible time when he did his orthopedic hand fellowship in Mississippi. He had to deal with a significan amount of racism.

I agree with you about looking at things from a different perspective. For example, when the little girl said that comment when I was in Iowa, I did laugh it off because I realize what you had said. Perhaps, she had never seen a real life asian person before. However, from my perspective, it is somewhat discomforting to stand out.

I agree with you that we should try to intermingle. From my perspective, I think that racism is a product of our upbringing. In my opinion, some of the racism is so deep rooted, intermingling will not change anything. As a white classmate from the South would tell me, there are towns in the deep South that even African Americans would not step foot in today.

Lastly, it is great that you married someone outside your race. As you said, you guys get to learn a great deal from each other.

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