Which schools are In-state only/Almost in-state only/Certain seats set to in-state schools?

[queenki]

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Hi,

I am trying to find information about which schools are in-state-only, or almost in-state only (like 80-90% in-state), or certain seats set to in-state (Marquette has 50 in state and 50 out of state).
I am checking one by one their website but not always the information is there straight forward.
There has to be better way to find this info.
Can you guys help with any advice?


Just a side note why I am checking this,

I am a non-traditional, 32yr old, 2 little children, late start, can't afford 70-90K/year tuition ( due to age I will not have enough time to pay off the debts before I retire...), currently working in science researcher.
I am willing to move my job, establish in-state residency (paying taxes), and apply for the dental school. It is a time commitment but no other way to reduce financial burden. I know that I still may not get into the school I want, but at least I have to try.

To have better chance, I have to research a lot which state has school or schools that give preference to in state applicants.



I will make a separate thread, but does anyone know which schools does non-traditional applicant better chances? I heard VCU might be a good one to apply.

I have a fine art background. I went to fine art middle school, fine art high school, fine art college (4 yr university, design-metal craft major), and was doing MFA (metal smithing), but did not finish masters degree. After one year through masters, I decided to go to dental school, as my father was dentist, and he is my role model. It wasn't easy decision to flip my whole life into a different world, but glad I finally decided. My dad suddenly got diagnosed of cancer, passed away 50 days after we discovered. I still started my second undergrad as planned, 4 months after he passed way. I did Biology major (took 3 yrs because I had NO science classes whatsoever at my previous college, had very minimal science classes since middle school because it is a fine art school). My GPA isn't great. My BFA GPA is 3.9/4.3 but my BS GPA is 3.3/4.0 (science GPA is 3.2). I transferred almost all elective credits, so all I was taking was science/stat/calculus and some English literature. I was doing A's first year, but I got pregnant ( I was married...) and had horrible hyperemesis gravandium, suffered along pregnancy. and having a newborn did not help me taking my classes afterwards too. My last semester I did get A's back in my biochem classes (when my baby was 1.5 yr old and life gets better when baby ages...).

I have shadowing hours at private dental clinics, volunteering hours at hospital setting. I can add some more too.

I currently work in a diabetes research lab, and have 2 papers published (not first author though.) and more in the process.

I didn't take DAT yet, but will study hard and get above 22!!! my goal!!

I would love to go ANY school, but in realistic sense, I can't afford private schools. I wish I could.
I really need to find a state school that I will have a best chance. Please any advice would help to find schools that give in-state preferences, non-traditional a chance, affordable tuition.

Thank you so much!!

 

[1ysh]

I'm so sorry for your loss and the medical condition that you went through. I know that UW and UIC are almost instate only. But if you're applying to VCU, I suggest applying to UMB as well (University of Maryland Baltimore). They have decent amount of out of state enrollees. I hope you get into dental school and good luck on your DAT!!

 

[queenki]

I'm so sorry for your loss and the medical condition that you went through. I know that UW and UIC are almost instate only. But if you're applying to VCU, I suggest applying to UMB as well (University of Maryland Baltimore). They have decent amount of out of state enrollees. I hope you get into dental school and good luck on your DAT!!

Thank you for the reply. UW means University of Washington School of Dentistry, Seattle, WA, correct?
UIC recently (2016) opened a gate for 20 seats to OS when they have 50 seats to IS. I am interested in UIC (since I already live in midwest, WI), and willing to move to IL to establish residency there too. Is UIC clinical school? Where do you find info about clinical school vs hard text schools? (I don't know appropriate wording for that).

IL has 3 dental school, of which 1 is expensive private school. I think IL is a good state to move in ( to have chance to 2 schools not 1 only as in state).

I feel like CA has many schools, but too expensive to afford even for the state schools due to the living expenses....

Texas has multiple, and affordable tuition for some, but I have no idea how hard it is to get in there. + as non traditional, do I have a chance. etc...

I wish I can talk to someone who has great knowledge on the schools across the nation.

 

[1ysh]

Thank you for the reply. UW means University of Washington School of Dentistry, Seattle, WA, correct?
UIC recently (2016) opened a gate for 20 seats to OS when they have 50 seats to IS. I am interested in UIC (since I already live in midwest, WI), and willing to move to IL to establish residency there too. Is UIC clinical school? Where do you find info about clinical school vs hard text schools? (I don't know appropriate wording for that).

IL has 3 dental school, of which 1 is expensive private school. I think IL is a good state to move in ( to have chance to 2 schools not 1 only as in state).

I feel like CA has many schools, but too expensive to afford even for the state schools due to the living expenses....

Texas has multiple, and affordable tuition for some, but I have no idea how hard it is to get in there. + as non traditional, do I have a chance. etc...

I wish I can talk to someone who has great knowledge on the schools across the nation.

Correct. And the new ADEA dental school guide will definitely help deciding which school is research heavy or clinical heavy. I know more about east coast schools and not much about midwest but Temple is very clinical heavy.

 

[Dogtreats]

UNMC basically only accepts Nebraska residents

 

[knewstance]

I think that if I were in your shoes, I would move to Texas. They have several schools and have the cheapest tuition in the country.

Another option would be to apply for the military (HPSP) scholarship and that would open your choices for private schools.

 

[queenki]

I think that if I were in your shoes, I would move to Texas. They have several schools and have the cheapest tuition in the country.

Another option would be to apply for the military (HPSP) scholarship and that would open your choices for private schools.

Hi, thanks for the advice.
Yes, there are only a few states that has more than 1 schools, affordable tuitions.

I saw the stats of 3 texas schools, and they are pretty high. I am not sure if I get a good DAT, if I still have a chance there.

On the other side, what would be down side of texas schools?
In terms of tuition, they are cheapest. Why don't people just move and go Texas schools? There has to be something that makes people not to choose...?

For the army options, I still need to research more, but if I have to relocate every year, I won't choose it due to my kid's edication. My girl has takes LONG to get comfortable at a new place with new people. Shw won't do well at school if she has to move every year... ;(

Thank you!!!

 

[smile matters]

I have the same question about the texas schools. What is stopping people from moving to texas?

 

[Its_Me_G]

I have the same question about the texas schools. What is stopping people from moving to texas?

It’s very hard to just get in state tuition, even if you move to Texas to do so. You basically have to make a case that proves that not only do you now live in Texas, but are also planning to stay there for good and didn’t just move for the cheaper tuition

 

[queenki]

It’s very hard to just get in state tuition, even if you move to Texas to do so. You basically have to make a case that proves that not only do you now live in Texas, but are also planning to stay there for good and didn’t just move for the cheaper tuition

The law is be there with gainfully employed for 12 months. It is a time commitment, but that is doable.

I don't have a "in-state" school here in WI. Marquette selects 50 IS (out of 200 ish) 50 OOS (out of 2000+), but the tuition is not that cheap.

I would say, 50 out of 200 is a good chance, but this is the only school in WI, and I am not sure if it is the best decision to only look for one school and stay here. Or I can move to IL or TX to apply for more than one school as in state.

 

[sobertiger]

I am 31, have two kids myself, and will be attending a private school next year. Everything will be paid with loans.

No one can afford private schools without massive loans unless the parents are immensely rich, or with HPSP/NHSC scholarship. Currently with government loans, there is a way out: income-based repayment programs with loan forgiveness after 20 years (tax on the forgiven amount). Your payments are capped at 10 percent of your discretionary income. Definitely doable.

Even if PROSPER Act passes, at the moment it seems that there will be an income driven repayment plan available with a cap on the interest (so it won't balloon out of control). Two problems: 1. You will have to pay back the entire amount (which makes sense); 2. There will be a relatively low cap on the amount that can be borrowed (also makes sense; unlimited loans are causing tuition to go out of control), so the rest will have to come from a private lender.

But private lenders would be willing to work with dental students because they are usually capable of paying back the loans, and you might even get a lower rate than the federal loan. You will probably need a solid cosigner if you don't have excellent credit, however.

Yes, apply to state schools and go if you get in, but do you really want to risk wasting an entire year of experience and income by not applying to private schools and significantly lowering your chances of getting in on the first try? If you do some research on the repayment process, you will see that you don't need to bet everything on the state schools, which are generally more competitive and difficult to get into vs. private schools.

p.s. look into NHSC scholarship if you're not comfortable with HPSP.

 

[clark5013]

some people have recommeded TX, and yes, TX has 3 dental schools with 100 spots each, and is opening a 4th in 2020 or so.(around 20 seats and in the el-paso area, dont apply to that unless you are from there), the TX schools are hard to get into.

I have the same question about the texas schools. What is stopping people from moving to texas?

I'd guess that packing up and moving to another state for 1year+ isnt something that a lot of people can/want to do. I get moving if you've been accepted and about to start dental school but this will be at the very least a 1yr process( Imagining moving to texas right now and trying to get the residency, you wont be able to get in by the summer so that's 1 cycle skipped. your "12 months" will be up by next December but I dont know if you'd get your residency in time for the 2nd cycle.

And I'd guess that the schools would rather take committed residents(people moving to texas not just to get residency and leave after dental school, but people who want to stay in texas). but thats just my opinion.

oh and also I dont know the success rates of people who successful pull this off

 

[blablabla1]

Speaks for itself: OOS Friendly Schools List from ADEA Guide

 

[queenki]

I am 31, have two kids myself, and will be attending a private school next year. Everything will be paid with loans.

No one can afford private schools without massive loans unless the parents are immensely rich, or with HPSP/NHSC scholarship. Currently with government loans, there is a way out: income-based repayment programs with loan forgiveness after 20 years (tax on the forgiven amount). Your payments are capped at 10 percent of your discretionary income. Definitely doable.

Even if PROSPER Act passes, at the moment it seems that there will be an income driven repayment plan available with a cap on the interest (so it won't balloon out of control). Two problems: 1. You will have to pay back the entire amount (which makes sense); 2. There will be a relatively low cap on the amount that can be borrowed (also makes sense; unlimited loans are causing tuition to go out of control), so the rest will have to come from a private lender.

But private lenders would be willing to work with dental students because they are usually capable of paying back the loans, and you might even get a lower rate than the federal loan. You will probably need a solid cosigner if you don't have excellent credit, however.

Yes, apply to state schools and go if you get in, but do you really want to risk wasting an entire year of experience and income by not applying to private schools and significantly lowering your chances of getting in on the first try? If you do some research on the repayment process, you will see that you don't need to bet everything on the state schools, which are generally more competitive and difficult to get into vs. private schools.

p.s. look into NHSC scholarship if you're not comfortable with HPSP.

Thank you so much for the reply.
I am new to here, as you can see, still reading up old threads and learning new infos...

It's kind of tricky board to "search" info that I want... when I do threads from non-predental forum comes in mixed...;( I don't know why.

I know spending 1 more year seems "wasteful", but I am currently waiting for my "pending" permanent residency card to get approved. So I have to wait at least 9 additional months for it anyway.

You guys are lucky to be born here 🙂 I have spent past 4 years waiting for the green card to go through. Seems pretty wastful huh? I know. I am getting done with waiting finally.

So, unless I apply as international this coming June term, I will have to wait for 2019 term anyway.

That is why I can try to look for another job at another state, spend 1+ yr, gain residency, and apply 2019. (By the time hopefully my green card is granted).

There are many people who have extra disadvantages due to their status on top of GPA, DAT, ECs that you can control the timeline easily...🙂

I will look up what NHSC is.

Thabk you so much!!!! And congrats on your acceptance🙂

 

[queenki]

Speaks for itself: OOS Friendly Schools List from ADEA Guide

Thank you so much!

I look up and found a thread similar to this but the info was on 2013? Or something older than this.

I need to learn how to "search" better on this boards.... When I seach, all threads including med, pharm, etc comes up mixed and hard to filter through which is predental.

Many thanks for this link!!!

 

[PTSD]

You mentioned previously that your science average was a 3.20. Not sure many public schools consider this number competitive unless you when to Harvard, have very strong connections, or you can the right boxes. That would be the first thing to investigate

 

[queenki]

Up in the corner, hover over "Search" and click "More...", then it should take you to a fancier search page, and then you can click "Dental Forums [DDS/DMD]" where it says "Search in Forums". Type in your keywords, and only dental related threads should come up 🙂
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Thanks!!! Yes it was harder with phone, but could see that with my mac! I will have to find if they have dedicated app version...

 

[queenki]

You mentioned previously that your science average was a 3.20. Not sure many public schools consider this number competitive unless you when to Harvard, have very strong connections, or you can the right boxes. That would be the first thing to investigate

I know, that's my fear. Just get cut by GPA without even looked at other things. Even though I had valid medical reason to explain.
I will have to rock at DAT.

I would probably contact the school adission and discuss before.