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Which would be a good choice?
Started by physcigirl27
sounds good. do you happen to know their mcat?
I blew off some courses early in my college career. Retaking an F and a D, as well as a C or two and doing well brings things up quickly.
As for And I Was Like: why is it that the vast majority of your posts are about presenting information to make DOs look bad? It's certainly not to "clear up misinformation". It seems you irritate people in just about every thread you post in. Maybe the time you put into calling OMT pseudoscience and looking up the differences in matriculants' MCAT scores would be better spent learning some social graces? You weren't even on topic with what you stirred people up with here...
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No need to get mad. Personal attacks are completely uncalled for.
Lol... love how you try to act like the "good guy" here. I'm glad that, despite me presenting a flawed argument which I see now, you still understand what my point was. However, it's clear that none of your posts are actually helping anyone... and the things you do mention as advice, other posters before you have said in a more productive way.
And if you want to talk being realistic? Look at a ton of people on these forums who have gotten in with sub 3.0 GPAs. It's been done... many times. So stop jumping the gun and let her do what she wants. I'm a very realistic person, I don't like to think in fantasy land. This isn't close to being unrealistic. Maybe it is right now, but the point of this thread is to give her advice on what she needs to do to make her chances at medschool realistic. That can indeed be done.
You seem like the type to not know when to quit, and while you may think you're helping.... there are people on the DO section that know a lot more and have a lot more experience with this process than you.
The problem here is that you keep playing dirty to put DOs down. Almost every DO student knows that this dichotomy you paint is absolutely false. We've told you time and time again. Some people go to DO because they prefer it. Some people go because it's more convenient (location, price, etc.). And some people go there because they can't get into a US MD program. Some people do ACGME because it's easier to land a job. Some people do it because of the location. Some do it because the education is perceived as superior. Some go because they will get paid better. Some ACGME programs have DOs as PDs. People aren't in these neat little black or white boxes of yours. DO students don't lie to themselves about it. Stop arguing with a ghost D.O. student because nobody here spouts that the D.O. route is only taken by those with pure intentions.
I can't believe mods aren't doing anything over your obvious trolling.
Like seriously. The DO section needs additional mods/ more aggressive and committed mods. The FAQ is so outdated, threads that are needed to be stickied aren't stickied, MD vs DO trolls are patrolling the streets etc.
Not very high (the quoted average on the website is 22) but that's the entrance stat for their inaugural class (low due to lack of popularity and a good track record). For the linkage, I believe you have to pass a certain score. In your case, the MCAT is the quickest fix to your problem, the higher you could score the better.
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Hmmm if only SDN had a "like" for comments
I completely agree. Although at the end of the day SDN is free
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Eh... there's nothing wrong with the number or quality of the SDN mods I think. People just need to know when to give what they believe is "advice", and when to back off... even if they feel their advice is important. No amount of forum-government could ever solve that problem, lol.
Trust me, as someone filling out many secondaries to DO schools, I am fully aware of this. It was the condescending attitude that irritated me.
Right. I browse these forums more than you and I have very rarely, if ever, seen anyone claim that DO school is harder to get into than a MD school. Yet, you continue to say that you are trying to prevent the spread of misinformation. Please direct me to the thread where everyone (or anyone, for that matter) is saying DO>>>>MD, or that DO has significantly higher academic standards for admission.
As I've said many times before, you are a troll by definition. You barged into a thread entitled "Which would be a good choice?" and you turn it into a MD vs. DO thread like you have done with so many others. Your response(s), good sir, is completely unwarranted and is solely used to elicit an argument.
hey dude.... i'm neither do nor md... part-time pa going for mba to start a business... and don't lecture me about pa vs. med school I pulled $100K last yr, more than you... your attidude sucks, seriously you sound like you're afraid of competition... who cares about your mcat score in the working world? and if you're so superior, how come you're not at john hopkins or whatever?? grow up, man. the real world will judge you on how you well you work together with coworkers. where i work i know for a fact that if any doc treats us pa's or any other people with disrespect they're not going to last long ... you have issues your degree can't fix
Calm down, no need to get mad.
aren't you supposed to be doing rounds or something? or go back to your md forum and pick on the caribbeans... your schtick is getting old dude... i doubt you're a real med student
1) Not all of medical school is doing rounds.
2) I post on SDN from my phone, so I can do it on my study breaks/whenever.
3) I may or may not be on medical leave as I may or may not be 8 months preggers.
4) I don't bother with Caribbean students because a vast majority realize they're also a US MD alternative. For some reason many DO students think they're not.
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Again, I love how you think you're acting like the good guy here. You keep poking people with a stick and expect them to not push back?
No, YOU calm down.
First, I think a "vast" majority of DO students do think DO is an alternative. And there's nothing wrong with that.
Second, how nice of you to remind DO students of it. You've done it in every thread. You can leave now. Kthx
right...real med students dont' have time to sleep let alone troll the net... maybe your usmle wasn't so hot you're not doing rotations?
Exactly! That must be it! You can attempt to make malicious personal attacks on me all day, it simply doesn't change the truth of my statements.
you sure have a lot of free time...maybe your school rotation schedule is substandard??? huh? that is if you're a real med student... good luck getting a job and keeping your job with your crappy snotty attitude..
lol, you sound mad. But that's ok, keep the personal attacks coming, you're definitely the better person. 😀
my everyman diagnosis for you:
1 - you're not even a med student.. was rejected by do school, which explains your hatred
rx = study harder, improve attitude
2 -you're med student in blah school with blah uslme score... terrified of competition
rx = study harder, improve attitude
btw as a provider i have a license to prescribe meds but there are no meds for that rx..sorry
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See, now I'm pretty sure posting just to put us lowly DO students "in our place" is a TOS violation, especially when considered with the earlier post about enjoying it when people attack him. Let's at least get a probational status. This guy (or pregnant female?) has no redeeming value to the SDN community.
In his defense, I believe he is MS-1 so he is far from taking the USMLE.
*inb4hereplies**
MS-2 on medical leave, I'm having triplets! 😀
But anyway, no - I've carefully worded my arguments so that they don't fall under ToS violations - however many other posts in this thread attacking me personally do break ToS.
I got into my SMP two years ago, so it may be different now. I applied to the UMDNJ - SOM graduate school with a 2.8 GPA and no MCAT score (took the GRE). I got in, did what I needed to do and applied to medical schools. I got a few interviews and accepted my offer from UMDNJ - SOM. I recommend this program because you get to take classes alongside the med school students like physio, anatomy, microbio; and the ones that are not given as med classes are taught by the same professors so there is a lot of overlap from the grad classes. While many of my classmates are trying to figure out all this information I'm a little more relaxed as our first histology test approaches tomorrow.
Osteopathic medical schools are medical schools. MD granting schools are Allopathic medical schools. Both groups can practice any specialty/subspecialty in medicine or surgery and have unrestricted licenses. Regardless of the adjective placed before "medical school", the end clinician is exactly the same. Any other argument on that issue is a semantic distinction without a difference.
Being taught OMT in school does not make a drastically different clinician.
OK, I want to give a chance for this to get back on track, so I'm not closing right now.
refer reminders:
1) mods are volunteers. There may or may not be someone readily available every instant so please allow some time for mods to review RPs before getting upset.
2) don't feed the trolls. If you feel like someone is trolling in your forum send in an RP but don't respond to their posts....it only encourages more.
3) SDN does have an ignore function. To use it simply click on the username by their post and choose "add username to your ignore list" from the drop down.
4) disciplinary actions taken by mods are not public information. You likely won't be able to tell that anything was done, but that doesn't mean there was no consequence.
Thanks!
refer reminders:
1) mods are volunteers. There may or may not be someone readily available every instant so please allow some time for mods to review RPs before getting upset.
2) don't feed the trolls. If you feel like someone is trolling in your forum send in an RP but don't respond to their posts....it only encourages more.
3) SDN does have an ignore function. To use it simply click on the username by their post and choose "add username to your ignore list" from the drop down.
4) disciplinary actions taken by mods are not public information. You likely won't be able to tell that anything was done, but that doesn't mean there was no consequence.
Thanks!
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So apparently someone got mad cause I posted some facts... weird... lol. People taking offense to the statement of facts, that's rather unfortunate.
Apparently, as Dr. Mom put in my private message, non-DO students or applicants are not allowed to post in DO forums. So, I assume the same works in reverse and non-MD students are not allowed to post in MD forums.
Edit: From the PM I recieved and promptly giggled a little at from DrMom
"If you are not applying to or attending DO school you have no reason to post in there. Further similar issue could lead to your account being placed on hold or even banned. Please adjust your posting to avoid this."
This is no where in the terms of service. If this is indeed a rule then why are more people not reported. If I was bored I would go through every post in the MD forum that was done by a DO student and would be justified.
Well, since you decided to make this public I'll respond here.
You clearly didn't read. You were informed that it is a TOS violation to post in a forum solely to deride or harass the members of that forum. I even clearly added that non-DOs do regularly post constructively in the DO forums.
The part of the private message that you quote is my response to you, personally, since in our private message discussion you could not understand how your posts were problematic I recommended that you avoid these discussions.
I'm sorry that this was so confusing to you.
Here's the relevant portion of the Terms of Service
You clearly didn't read. You were informed that it is a TOS violation to post in a forum solely to deride or harass the members of that forum. I even clearly added that non-DOs do regularly post constructively in the DO forums.
The part of the private message that you quote is my response to you, personally, since in our private message discussion you could not understand how your posts were problematic I recommended that you avoid these discussions.
I'm sorry that this was so confusing to you.
Here's the relevant portion of the Terms of Service
TOS said:
1) I posted this before you PMed me.
2) I think you broke your own rule by making this public.
3) Nothing I said was taunting in any sense of the word. I was simply clearing up misinformation that prevalent on this forum - and now I know why.
So if I report a moderator for breaking privacy rules who checks it?
Lol @ "And I Was Like"
Completely ridiculous and obvious troll is obvious. Stay on 4chan/Reddit. Don't come here posting your crap like "don't be mad, y u mad guy?"
On Topic: I completely agree with the above helpful posters and say that you should NOT apply this cycle to DO just to please your parents. There so many reasons why this is a horrible idea. Sit them down and make them understand. Use that money to retake classes even if you have to do it at a community college. Just be sure to demonstrate that you can handle upper division courses (would be nice if you got A's during your senior year at UC). Take 3-4 months off and study like mad for the MCAT. Do whatever it takes to get into medical school (yes DO programs are still medical school, whether the AOA says it differently or not. This is understood by everyone here). Make medical school your passion and you will get in, eventually. Maybe not now, or next year, but you will get in.
Completely ridiculous and obvious troll is obvious. Stay on 4chan/Reddit. Don't come here posting your crap like "don't be mad, y u mad guy?"
On Topic: I completely agree with the above helpful posters and say that you should NOT apply this cycle to DO just to please your parents. There so many reasons why this is a horrible idea. Sit them down and make them understand. Use that money to retake classes even if you have to do it at a community college. Just be sure to demonstrate that you can handle upper division courses (would be nice if you got A's during your senior year at UC). Take 3-4 months off and study like mad for the MCAT. Do whatever it takes to get into medical school (yes DO programs are still medical school, whether the AOA says it differently or not. This is understood by everyone here). Make medical school your passion and you will get in, eventually. Maybe not now, or next year, but you will get in.
Let's get it back on track folks. Move along, move along. Nothing to see there.
Now where were y'all in your conversation?
Now where were y'all in your conversation?
i did the SMP at MWU IL, they are starting a one year class here this fall.
the Arizona campus also has a one and two year track.
i believe the minimum admission standards out here are 2.75 gpa and a 25 mcat but i am not 100% sure about that and it may have changed since i applied a few years ago.
i would email both programs and check.
both programs have very strong associations with the parent campus as well as the sister campus.
gl and if you have any more questions lmk
the Arizona campus also has a one and two year track.
i believe the minimum admission standards out here are 2.75 gpa and a 25 mcat but i am not 100% sure about that and it may have changed since i applied a few years ago.
i would email both programs and check.
both programs have very strong associations with the parent campus as well as the sister campus.
gl and if you have any more questions lmk
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To be honest, your second MCAT score was better than the first, in spite of the lower total. Having a 6 in any section is an auto-rejection, so you made the right choice in retaking it.
That being said, your GPA is the main problem if your goal is a DO postbac. Retake failed classes, get As, maybe spend a year doing that, studying 6 hrs a day, retake bad grades (particularly science), and your AACOMAS GPA may go up significantly.
Then apply to DO schools and DO postbacs, and see what happens then.
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lolwut?
Of course a 6 in any sub-section is not favored, but it is NOT an "auto-rejection" at most (if not all) DO schools.
lolwut?
Of course a 6 in any sub-section is not favored, but it is NOT an "auto-rejection" at most (if not all) DO schools.
Thank you - I always forget about this.
which other one, if you don't mind me asking?
I was hoping for responses regarding Western U's tbh...I really like their MSMS program.
Because you can /ignore people in real life, huh? Ignoring the problems doesn't make them go away.
Did you miss out on that lecture in 2nd grade or something? Either way.... you're neither a vampire nor a bear.... I see no qualms in ignoring you! Hahahaha!
Aren't you a sophomore, why have you resolved yourself already to fall-back on osteopathy? You need to focus on getting into a medical school instead of already resolving to get into just a DO program.
Then again, if you spend as much time studying as you do on SDN whining about how DO =/= MD maybe you could get into a real medical school.
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Reported.
Problem is that most SMPs are allopathic which require a 3.0 minimum. I think not many of us understand the Osteopathic ones.
