Who gets those later Interview Invites

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I have a few questions. First off, does silence from a school equate to "hold" at this point (assuming you applied in July)? How much "comparing" between applicants is there when handing out IIs, or is it based more on a set "bar" that one much reach to be granted one? What are some factors that separate the someone from getting an early II vs. someone who gets a later interview date? Is it usually a huge difference in the quality of applications? Thanks!
 
I have a few questions.

1. First off, does silence from a school equate to "hold" at this point (assuming you applied in July)?
2. How much "comparing" between applicants is there when handing out IIs, or is it based more on a set "bar" that one much reach to be granted one?
3. What are some factors that separate the someone from getting an early II vs. someone who gets a later interview date? Is it usually a huge difference in the quality of applications?
Thanks!

1. No
2. I think this is school dependent, but after initial review your application is given priority ranking. Just because you have not heard now, does not mean you are out of the race. On paper, you may not be the a superstar, but if given the opportunity to II you can show them that you are!
3. High stats, URM, legacy, feeder schools, etc. It usually is somewhat of a difference in applicants, but there are many other factors that play a role (timing of application submitted, etc). Hard to pin point it.
 
It all depends on how schools screen applications. Some might apply a stats screen where high stat applicants are given priority in giving out IIs. Some might rank by extra-curricular achievements and the impressive achievers are given priority. Some might simply review applications chronologically as they come in. So depending on the school, when you get an II will depend on some combination of these factors. Generally speaking, the most competitive applicants are probably given IIs the earliest and your more average applicant for that school will get IIs later on. But keep in mind there are superstars that apply late for whatever reason and so their II date doesn't really correlate with how strong they are.
 
As goro has said before, very few of the strong Stats and ECs bearing applicants tend to apply later on in the cycle because they also tend to be the better prepared bunch. I think the people who get interviews later on are the applicants that were good but just not as good as some of the other early applicants. Radical thinking, I know, but sometimes it helps to spell the situation out and remind yourself that average applicants get into medical school too. Heck 50% have to be below average (stats wise), mathematically speaking.
 
Look up the wise LizzyM's staircase analogy for IIs.


I have a few questions. First off, does silence from a school equate to "hold" at this point (assuming you applied in July)? How much "comparing" between applicants is there when handing out IIs, or is it based more on a set "bar" that one much reach to be granted one? What are some factors that separate the someone from getting an early II vs. someone who gets a later interview date? Is it usually a huge difference in the quality of applications? Thanks!
 
Radical thinking, I know, but sometimes it helps to spell the situation out and remind yourself that average applicants get into medical school too. Heck 50% have to be below average (stats wise), mathematically speaking.

Well, that's a tautology. The average is defined by who gets into medical school and the population of applications that gets into medical school is characterized by an average. And I think you mean 50% have to be below median, not average 😉
 
There are so many situations you can't predict and that aren't transparent. One is the speed of the reviewers. Some reviewers get assigned 34 applications, crank through them at a rate of 3 per day and finish ahead of their assigned 2 week deadline. Meanwhile, as those applications dribble in, the applicants can be queued for ii. That means that one equally good applicant might be 10 days ahead of another just by luck of the draw. There are dozens of ways to prioritize 34 applicants. You could take them in the order they were assigned, which might be alphabetical by last name, or by the date that they were complete, or your reviewer might choose high MCAT first, or URM first, or feeder schools first, or alma mater first, or any idiosyncratic way of slicing and dicing. Every reviewer is different and you have no way of knowing... I don't even know how my fellow reviewers might approach their virtual stack of applications.

On the other hand, you might be unlucky in being assigned to an adcom member who is overworked or overwhelmed or otherwise sits on the applications for 2 weeks past the deadline thus putting you, the unlucky applicant, 4 weeks behind someone who had the good fortune of being reviewed on day 1. Now you are a month behind someone through no fault of your own and for no reason.

Frankly, we'd expect that the superstars are interviewed early and quality declines over time. However, there is little decline in quality over time, at least at a top 20 school. YMMV
 
Well, that's a tautology. The average is defined by who gets into medical school and the population of applications that gets into medical school is characterized by an average. And I think you mean 50% have to be below median, not average 😉
Condescending, yet added nothing to my point lol. OP will understand what I meant.

😀
 
My primary was complete in July, and secondary was verified the first week of august for one school. I just got an II a few days ago. That's a 4 month wait time so don't lose hope!
 
Well, that's a tautology. The average is defined by who gets into medical school and the population of applications that gets into medical school is characterized by an average. And I think you mean 50% have to be below median, not average 😉
That's not how tautologies work...

I was actually really excited to see a good ol' fashioned tautology when I read your post because I was actually really excited to see a good ol' fashioned tautology when I read your post
 
I was actually really excited to see a good ol' fashioned tautology when I read your post because I was actually really excited to see a good ol' fashioned tautology when I read your post

Also not exactly a tautology because you're saying it using the same exact words same exact words.
 
Well, that's a tautology. The average is defined by who gets into medical school and the population of applications that gets into medical school is characterized by an average. And I think you mean 50% have to be below median, not average 😉
That's not how tautologies work...

I was actually really excited to see a good ol' fashioned tautology when I read your post because I was actually really excited to see a good ol' fashioned tautology when I read your post
Also not exactly a tautology because you're saying it using the same exact words same exact words.

what do these posts have to do with this point

As goro has said before, very few of the strong Stats and ECs bearing applicants tend to apply later on in the cycle because they also tend to be the better prepared bunch. I think the people who get interviews later on are the applicants that were good but just not as good as some of the other early applicants. Radical thinking, I know, but sometimes it helps to spell the situation out and remind yourself that average applicants get into medical school too. Heck 50% have to be below average (stats wise), mathematically speaking.

and the thread topic at hand? sorry just a bit confused
 
what do these posts have to do with this point

Nothing. They have to do with the broader education of the general public. I believe in that cause. 😀 Can't have people running around thinking that half of the population falls below average. Outliers skew the mean and that's very important for understanding the statistics required to be an informed citizen. Including how the presidency was won (or lost). But that's another story.
 
Nothing. They have to do with the broader education of the general public. I believe in that cause. 😀 Can't have people running around thinking that half of the population falls below average. Outliers skew the mean and that's very important for understanding the statistics required to be an informed citizen. Including how the presidency was won (or lost). But that's another story.

just respond with these

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what do these posts have to do with this point



and the thread topic at hand? sorry just a bit confused
I was trying to provide a possible answer for the last 2 questions OP had.
 
Well, they definitely aren't given solely to those late applications. I submitted my secondary to WashU on 7/18/15, got an II on 1/19/16, and interviewed on 2/22/16. I had given up all hope of an interview with them by the time I got that invite. Ended up getting rejected over a year after submitting my secondary on 7/29/16.
 
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