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Does this happen to anyone else? Whenever I tell someone I'm going to dental school in the fall they ask me "for hygeine or assisting?" NO! To be a real dentist! DDS! I'm wondering if it's because I'm female? I just don't get why people autmatically assume I must be going for hygeine or assisting.
 
People are ignorant. That is all.
 
true that...

other common rumors i come across:
-"dental school is 2 yrs right?"
-"you're starting med school in aug?"
-"is that the same as hygiene?"
-"why do that, you're just gonna commit suicide"

some people just don't know...but whatever
 
Does this happen to anyone else? Whenever I tell someone I'm going to dental school in the fall they ask me "for hygeine or assisting?" NO! To be a real dentist! DDS! I'm wondering if it's because I'm female? I just don't get why people autmatically assume I must be going for hygeine or assisting.

Yes it's becaue you're female
 
so you are actually going for dentistry?
 
Females now count for almost 50% of entering classes, so in a few years that rumor probably wont be around 🙂

Another thing, most "educated" people do know that dental school is completely different from hygiene/assistant programs but they don't know how many years it will take to graduate/specialize.
 
Females now count for almost 50% of entering classes, so in a few years that rumor probably wont be around 🙂

Another thing, most "educated" people do know that dental school is completely different from hygiene/assistant programs but they don't know how many years it will take to graduate/specialize.

The "rumor" will be around as long as females continue to dominate the hygienist and dental assisting fields.
 
i get that a lot too!

or

"is that a 1 or 2 year program?"
 
The "rumor" will be around as long as females continue to dominate the hygienist and dental assisting fields.

I disagree.

If the stats of entering classes keep going like this, Im pretty sure women in the dental field will be viewed differently in the future.
 
Does this happen to anyone else? Whenever I tell someone I'm going to dental school in the fall they ask me "for hygeine or assisting?" NO! To be a real dentist! DDS! I'm wondering if it's because I'm female? I just don't get why people autmatically assume I must be going for hygeine or assisting.

Becaue people don't have crystal ball. Usually dental schools offfer other dental programs like hygine too.
 
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I've never heard a single female ever complain about that given situation before. Maybe its your friends who just don't have a clue what dental school entails? Congrats on getting accepted btw. 🙂
 
I was asked "is it only 2 yrs ? " Maybe they think it's like a 2yr masters, but it's professional school. But the most response I hear "oh, it's a lot of money"...oh, well, just do it on your own, pass all the hard competition and succeed...it's always easy to envy than to do it, and when people don't know what stands behind all the hard work. And nobody asks me "do you like it or so" or "oh,great you'll help people to smile more often" or smth like. Money is not everything. I would not go to work and just bear it all and then come home like after being tortured.
 
Totally. Very annoying but I just say I wish there were more two year Doctorate programs. At the end of the day if they come to our office, we're the Doctors in charge.
 
Or, I often get, "you're not going to commit suicide or anything are you?".

I love debunking this rumor.
 
They just don't know, relax already
 
Thanks for sharing this story Jenny! Since I am a guy, this is the type of perspective I would never be able to gain on my own. It's a great example of the difficulties women face in the workforce. I'm very lucky that I've never had people say this to me, so knowing that these words actually exist really opens my eyes towards understanding the different challenges women face.
 
I feel your frustration! The same thing happens to me all the time when I tell them that I'm hoping to get into dental school... We just have to educate them one by one 🙂 I doubt the misconception will ever be totally corrected but I love seeing people's reaction when I explain to them what "dental school" actually entails.
 
Totally. Very annoying but I just say I wish there were more two year Doctorate programs.


I wish we did what Australia and Japan and most everywhere else does and just start combined sciences/dental education right after high school in a 5 or 6 year program at a university.

This 4+4 stuff is quite unnecessarily redundant. I don't even care if I have to pay the current 8-year tuition rates for the 5 years, I'd just like to keep the number of times I'm lectured on DNA replication below triple-digits by the time I'm through.
 
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I disagree.

If the stats of entering classes keep going like this, Im pretty sure women in the dental field will be viewed differently in the future.

The dentist I shadow told me that his class was 50% female as well. That was 10 years ago. I hate to tell you this but it's been like this for awhile.
 
most of my patients think that dental school is only a 2 yr program and never really know that it is as hard as med school.
 
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My anatomy teacher in high school dropped out of Upenn medical and said that all the C students in pre-med go for dentistry.

I'm just sick of being labeled, "lazy" or not good enough for med school. A majority of pre-meds at my school have under 3.5's..or at least the ones I hang out with. lol.
 
Yeah, I get that a lot too. I think its because people just dont know what the process even is to become a dentist, whereas for a doctor, everyone knows that you go to four years of med school and then do a residency. That doesn't change the fact that I don't like it when it happens, but I just try to tell people that it's a four year program, and that you're actually becoming a doctor so it's really hard core, etc, etc. What can you do, right?
 
Yeah, I get that a lot too. I think its because people just dont know what the process even is to become a dentist, whereas for a doctor, everyone knows that you go to four years of med school and then do a residency. That doesn't change the fact that I don't like it when it happens, but I just try to tell people that it's a four year program, and that you're actually becoming a doctor so it's really hard core, etc, etc. What can you do, right?

How ignorant can these people be? No one goes to the dentist and addresses them by Mr or Ms. Its Dr. So who in the right mind would think that title comes with a two year program? I wish that were the case so I can be like quadruple doctor by the time i'm 30.
 
how about fellow pre-med majors that cannot understand why someone would want to look at teeth all day. But then you find out that they want to do obgyn..go figure.
 
Does this happen to anyone else? Whenever I tell someone I'm going to dental school in the fall they ask me "for hygeine or assisting?" NO! To be a real dentist! DDS! I'm wondering if it's because I'm female? I just don't get why people autmatically assume I must be going for hygeine or assisting.


YES. it happens all the time. THAT IS WHY its up to us pre-dent and dental girls to break stupid preconceived notions and show the world that you can be smart, beautiful, cute, rich, and successful ALL at the same time!
 
YES. it happens all the time. THAT IS WHY its up to us pre-dent and dental girls to break stupid preconceived notions and show the world that you can be smart, beautiful, cute, rich, and successful ALL at the same time!

i love how out of the 5 descriptive words you used, 2 of them were beautiful and cute.........................

i'd opt for something like compassionate
 
The dentist I shadow told me that his class was 50% female as well. That was 10 years ago. I hate to tell you this but it's been like this for awhile.

LOL

You are talking about "1" dentist in the whole US, dentistry 10 years ago was dominated by a male population, im sure your dentist knows that 🙂.

Lets take a closer look at a research from a complete state! This dentist workforce profile was done by the Minnesota Department of Health. Im sure you're going to find it interesting. Done less than 10 years ago.
http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/orhpc/pubs/ddsprofile.pdf

You don't need to read the whole thing, just look at the 3rd bullet under "Findings". Your dentist was lucky to go to dental school with 50% Female students 10 years ago.

🙂

Edit. Another link here for ya from another state. Page 14
http://www.ohsu.edu/ahec/research/Dentist_Profile.pdf

Hope I helped
 
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LOL

You are talking about "1" dentist in the whole US, dentistry 10 years ago was pretty much dominated by a male population, im sure your dentist knows that 🙂

Actually nationally women made up 38% of enrollees 10 years ago. Whether Baylor, the school that he went to, was ahead of the curve or not I don't know. But a 62/38% difference I wouldn't call dominating the gender makeup by males.

You women need to calm down! (My wife would kill me if she knew I wrote that!) No one is bashing your intellect or abilities. The reality is that when you go to the dentist office, you see women in the front office, a woman that takes your x-rays, a woman that cleans your teeth, and usually a male dentist at the end. (That's more a factor of more males actively practicing then an unequal gender ratio) A lot of women at some point choose to do something a whole lot harder, not to mention more important, in raising a family and so they scale back their work. It's great that more women are getting that opportunity.

The truth however is that the 9/1 (or whatever it is) female to male dental hygienist ration has a lot more to do with the stereotype than the 6/4 male to female dental school ratio 10 years ago.
 
YES. it happens all the time. THAT IS WHY its up to us pre-dent and dental girls to break stupid preconceived notions and show the world that you can be smart, beautiful, cute, rich, and successful ALL at the same time!

😍 beautiful and super cute, count me in.
 
You know what assuming does?

It makes an ass out of u and me!
 
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Actually nationally women made up 38% of enrollees 10 years ago. Whether Baylor, the school that he went to, was ahead of the curve or not I don't know. But a 62/38% difference I wouldn't call dominating the gender makeup by males.

You women need to calm down! (My wife would kill me if she knew I wrote that!) No one is bashing your intellect or abilities. The reality is that when you go to the dentist office, you see women in the front office, a woman that takes your x-rays, a woman that cleans your teeth, and usually a male dentist at the end. (That's more a factor of more males actively practicing then an unequal gender ratio) A lot of women at some point choose to do something a whole lot harder, not to mention more important, in raising a family and so they scale back their work. It's great that more women are getting that opportunity.

The truth however is that the 9/1 (or whatever it is) female to male dental hygienist ration has a lot more to do with the stereotype than the 6/4 male to female dental school ratio 10 years ago.

I agree. But can you do us a favor and understand what it is like to work you butt off to have a 4.0 and have people assume that you are planning on doing hygiene. It's really degrading and although some people may be ignorant..many are passive aggressive in their remarks. okay..my panties are in a bunch.
 
Actually nationally women made up 38% of enrollees 10 years ago. Whether Baylor, the school that he went to, was ahead of the curve or not I don't know. But a 62/38% difference I wouldn't call dominating the gender makeup by males.

You women need to calm down! (My wife would kill me if she knew I wrote that!) No one is bashing your intellect or abilities. The reality is that when you go to the dentist office, you see women in the front office, a woman that takes your x-rays, a woman that cleans your teeth, and usually a male dentist at the end. (That's more a factor of more males actively practicing then an unequal gender ratio) A lot of women at some point choose to do something a whole lot harder, not to mention more important, in raising a family and so they scale back their work. It's great that more women are getting that opportunity.

The truth however is that the 9/1 (or whatever it is) female to male dental hygienist ration has a lot more to do with the stereotype than the 6/4 male to female dental school ratio 10 years ago.

Dude
Look at my name, Im not a female and I am not trying to defend them. I am just showing you the truth with actual data.

Show me some data please. So far I haven't seen anything near a 6/4 male to female "dentist" ratio 10 years ago. Its hard to believe something coming from a forum. I guess we kinda of skewed from the OPs question, but the dental hygienists male to female ratio has nothing to do with the one were talking about.
 
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LOL

You are talking about "1" dentist in the whole US, dentistry 10 years ago was dominated by a male population, im sure your dentist knows that 🙂.

Lets take a closer look at a research from a complete state! This dentist workforce profile was done by the Minnesota Department of Health. Im sure you're going to find it interesting. Done less than 10 years ago.
http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/orhpc/pubs/ddsprofile.pdf

You don't need to read the whole thing, just look at the 3rd bullet under "Findings". Your dentist was lucky to go to dental school with 50% Female students 10 years ago.

🙂

Edit. Another link here for ya from another state. Page 14
http://www.ohsu.edu/ahec/research/Dentist_Profile.pdf

Hope I helped

Whoa there buddy, what you're showing is the percentage actively practicing. Number 1, that is a statistic that is going to be behind the trend of a better statistic for the argument which is # of dental school enrollees by gender. Number 2, that will always tilt towards the male side due to men still being the primary provider of families.

Be careful in throwing out statistics that don't directly correlate with the discussion
 
1st, look at my name... im not a female and I am not trying to defende them. I am just showing you the truth with actual data.

Show me some data please. So far I haven't seen anything near a 6/4 male to female "dentist" ratio.

Im not trying to bash you or anything, even though it I might sound like it.

I wasn't necessarily referring to you. I had no idea whether you were a guy or girl. I made the mistake of assuming someone was a guy the other day on here and she turned out to be a girl!

Again, the point that I'm trying to make, is that the statistics aren't just all of the sudden swinging towards women. It's been increasing for the last 20 to 30 years. (Since the civil rights movement and birth control) So the reality, again, is that the stereotype is more a function of the other dental professions and less a function of some new age revolution of women as dentists.

BTW, here's a link:
http://www.spiritofcaring.com/public/488.cfm
 
i love how out of the 5 descriptive words you used, 2 of them were beautiful and cute.........................

i'd opt for something like compassionate


contach you're always trying to belittle my posts. how about YOU have a little compassion on me?
and by smart, i meant everything that a geniunely smart person would be (compassionate, intellectual, refined, etc)
 
I agree. But can you do us a favor and understand what it is like to work you butt off to have a 4.0 and have people assume that you are planning on doing hygiene. It's really degrading and although some people may be ignorant..many are passive aggressive in their remarks. okay..my panties are in a bunch.

Haha, no, I guess I can see the frustration there. But hey, hygiene is a great occupation and all the hygienists that I've met and worked with could be dentists. They just chose to do something a lot easier, with less school, and great pay. Maybe they're the smart ones!
 
contach you're always trying to belittle my posts. how about YOU have a little compassion on me?
and by smart, i meant everything that a geniunely smart person would be (compassionate, intellectual, refined, etc)

I'd say he's flirting with you...
 
Haha, no, I guess I can see the frustration there. But hey, hygiene is a great occupation and all the hygienists that I've met and worked with could be dentists. They just chose to do something a lot easier, with less school, and great pay. Maybe they're the smart ones!

Don't you turn this around on me..lol. I am not the anti-hygienist. I just think it's lame to assume these things.
 
Don't you turn this around on me..lol. I am not the anti-hygienist. I just think it's lame to assume these things.

Ok Ok Ok, you win. My bad...
 
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I wasn't necessarily referring to you. I had no idea whether you were a guy or girl. I made the mistake of assuming someone was a guy the other day on here and she turned out to be a girl!

Again, the point that I'm trying to make, is that the statistics aren't just all of the sudden swinging towards women. It's been increasing for the last 20 to 30 years. (Since the civil rights movement and birth control) So the reality, again, is that the stereotype is more a function of the other dental professions and less a function of some new age revolution of women as dentists.

BTW, here's a link:
http://www.spiritofcaring.com/public/488.cfm

You are only including the "New Active Private Practicioners", which only includes "RECENT GRADUATES!". Since we are looking at this as a "population", this is what you should be looking at to compare numbers.


The percentage distribution of all active private practitioners and new active private practitioners in the United States by gender, 2003
All active private practitioners:
Male 82.8%, Female 17.2%

Pretty big different

Im done posting statistical information here... Lets get doc toothache to come and help us solve this problem.
 
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Whoa there buddy, what you're showing is the percentage actively practicing. Number 1, that is a statistic that is going to be behind the trend of a better statistic for the argument which is # of dental school enrollees by gender. Number 2, that will always tilt towards the male side due to men still being the primary provider of families.

Be careful in throwing out statistics that don't directly correlate with the discussion

Well, I guess they will always be the primary provider of families until the male to female ratio equals up hu?...
 
Im sorry buddy, but you're wrong on this one.

Ok, that demographics research about women in dentistry was done 6 years ago, and you are only including the "New Active Private Practicioners", which only includes "RECENT GRADUATES!". Since we are looking at this as a "population", this is what you should be looking at to compare numbers.


The percentage distribution of all active private practitioners and new active private practitioners in the United States by gender, 2003
All active private practitioners:
Male 82.8%, Female 17.2%

Pretty big different

Ok let's go backwards.

You said that females now make up 50% of dental school classes

I said that is an old statistic, at least 10 years old

You called me out

I pulled statistics that showed that my statement was not far off nationally.

You changed the subject to DENTISTRY instead of DENTAL SCHOOL ENROLLEES.

You see what I'm talking about?
 
Well, I guess they will always be the primary provider of families until the male to female ratio equals up hu?...

No. Men will continue to be the providers of families as long as people maintain a traditional view OF families. It has nothing to do with women's rights or sexism. The fact is that some women CHOOSE to stop practicing dentistry to pursue other goals. Isn't it great that they can do that if they want?
 
Ok let's go backwards.

You said that females now make up 50% of dental school classes

I said that is an old statistic, at least 10 years old

You called me out

I pulled statistics that showed that my statement was not far off nationally.

You changed the subject to DENTISTRY instead of DENTAL SCHOOL ENROLLEES.

You see what I'm talking about?

We agreed with each other all the way until you said this;

"The dentist I shadow told me that his class was 50% female as well. That was 10 years ago. I hate to tell you this but it's been like this for awhile."

In the link you just posted above, this is the recent graduated dentist ratio, Male 65.4%, Female 34.6%, which is quite not 50-50 like you mentioned above.

I guess I took this a little too far by posting the All active private practitioners ratio up, but whatever, I guess we should just drop it and hug each other lol
 
No. Men will continue to be the providers of families as long as people maintain a traditional view OF families. It has nothing to do with women's rights or sexism. The fact is that some women CHOOSE to stop practicing dentistry to pursue other goals. Isn't it great that they can do that if they want?

Hmmm... I disagree again, but Im not going to start another discussion with ya, we had enough chatting for 1 day. 🙂
 
Does this happen to anyone else? Whenever I tell someone I'm going to dental school in the fall they ask me "for hygeine or assisting?" NO! To be a real dentist! DDS! I'm wondering if it's because I'm female? I just don't get why people autmatically assume I must be going for hygeine or assisting.

Yes, many people in underserved communities don't even know that dentists are "doctors". I was assisting at a mission trip when a lady (clearly she didn't get much healthcare and was likely unemployed) said after observing us call the dentist a "doctor", " So, you're like a medical doctor huh?" I politely replied, "Yes ma'am, dentists must all go through four years of professional school after we go to college for four years, just like doctors. This ensures that we can provide to best quality of care to all of our patients".

Dentistry is not perceived as prestigious as "medical doctors" or other professions like lawyers, judges, etc.. It has nothing to do with reality, but the fact that there are so many preconceived notions about dentists out there.
 
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