This is very true!!! This has happened many times in undergrad as well. Generally this is true of the people who ask multiple questions. The one's who have relevant questions are the ones who generally ask only one or two questions when they truly are confused or if a professor accidentally said the wrong thing, but the ones who ask constant questions like 10-20 in a row are usually wasting time and not often asking things that they can't do research on their own time to find the answers to.
Why do people have such a bad attitude in lecture
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This is very true!!! This has happened many times in undergrad as well. Generally this is true of the people who ask multiple questions. The one's who have relevant questions are the ones who generally ask only one or two questions when they truly are confused or if a professor accidentally said the wrong thing, but the ones who ask constant questions like 10-20 in a row are usually wasting time and not often asking things that they can't do research on their own time to find the answers to.
Learns nothing from reading a book? HAHAHA, man is s/he screwed.
I don't want some sort of illiterate doctor.
Trueeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!To add to SMQ's post, while I'm not in med school I can sympathize with the med students wanting their 10 minutes not to be wasted because fact of the matter is that once you get in med school and residency, time starts to be considered as a luxury and 10 minutes extra makes a lot bigger difference when you have a greater bulk of info to learn in a shorter period of time. I would venture to guess that it isn't bathroom breaks only but the fact that that is 10 extra minutes you can use to study or 10 extra minutes to that very small amount of free time that you have once you are out of class.
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ask ur questions, but dont do it in such a way that others have to listen to the answer. if ur prof's are trying to leave after class and u think they dont want to take the time to hear the q, then u definitely shouldnt impose it on both the prof and the class simultaneously (by asking during lecture).
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Wow, well I guess my original question has been answered. And to all of you who used me as you "annoying classmate whipping post"-- you're welcome. Glad I could be of assistance to YOU, since the world seems to revolve around YOU...
And for those of you who blew my question wayyyy out of proportion, I was not meaning that I take up the entire 10 minute break... If you read carefully, I said that I may ask a question when a professor finishes a lecture early... By which I mean, I don't cut into people's break time, which by the sound of it, seems like some of you smoke-- because those are the only true "break nazi's" that I know... Those that absolutely flip out if they don't get their 10 minutes every hour. And newsflash, I'm pretty sure you're not going to have 10 minutes every hour once you hit your surgery clerkship.
So, having considered the useful opinions here, I basically have come to the conclusion that its not just the students at my school who are so egocentric and impatient but maybe its everywhere. And no-- I'm not asking stupid questions, but thanks for taking cheap shots at me.
So, for those of you who don't want to waste your time with other people's questions.. I suggest that you try to find a med school that maybe works by correspondence since your minutes are so precious during the day. And, oh by the way, if you can't find an extra 10 minutes in your day to deal with personal business, perhaps you should look into time management classes, or stress management training, or both.👍
And for those of you who blew my question wayyyy out of proportion, I was not meaning that I take up the entire 10 minute break... If you read carefully, I said that I may ask a question when a professor finishes a lecture early... By which I mean, I don't cut into people's break time, which by the sound of it, seems like some of you smoke-- because those are the only true "break nazi's" that I know... Those that absolutely flip out if they don't get their 10 minutes every hour. And newsflash, I'm pretty sure you're not going to have 10 minutes every hour once you hit your surgery clerkship.
So, having considered the useful opinions here, I basically have come to the conclusion that its not just the students at my school who are so egocentric and impatient but maybe its everywhere. And no-- I'm not asking stupid questions, but thanks for taking cheap shots at me.
So, for those of you who don't want to waste your time with other people's questions.. I suggest that you try to find a med school that maybe works by correspondence since your minutes are so precious during the day. And, oh by the way, if you can't find an extra 10 minutes in your day to deal with personal business, perhaps you should look into time management classes, or stress management training, or both.👍
Whoa there, you asked. Also, you said yourself that your questions were pissing off your classmates, now you have an idea of the reasons behind that. You might want to think about changing a little instead of dismissing everyone else.
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medsurg2010: Would you only like commiserating comments or would it be ok if SDN'ers give their impression of the situation? I'm just curious as to what you're looking for exactly.
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Hmm. Fair enough.
But aren't you also arguing that your time is precious? After all, aren't you implying that it's too difficult or time consuming to talk to the professors privately, email them after class, or look it up yourself? How is your classmates' time less valuable than yours?
I'm not trying to be mean or sarcastic, but I'm genuinely curious. I understand how a clinical correlate will help you remember a basic science concept, but why does the question necessarily need to be asked in front of everyone else?
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Actually, it's mostly bathroom breaks. And socializing. And coffee. Sometimes checking email or SDN. Scoping the new MS1's. You get the picture.
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Haha! New MS1's... that's the best use of ten minutes I've heard so far, questions and all. Medsurg2010, relax everyone vents on this site, just like you did. However, for your own well being, I urge you to be much more introspective and judicious when asking whatever question you have, no matter how relevant they may be. Firstly, you should get in the habit of looking things up yourself- the answer almost certainly is somewhere, and you'll remember it more readily. Secondly, these guidelines aren't restricted to 1st and 2nd year- when you're a 3rd year, ask the vascular surgeon to point out where the iliac is during the anastamosis and you'll think your fellow students were angels from heaven. Time and place my friend. I never really thought about it until this thread, but knowing when, where, and how to ask questions is actually an important skill throughout your training.
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I've found that anytime someone blames another for "the world revolving around YOU" or "it's always about YOU", it's usually because the blamer actually believes the world is about THEM, and gets upset when someone declares otherwise. btw, the first post of this thread, ummm...yours- was venting. I thought we were just joining the game.
I read carefully, and you did actually infer that everyone stayed 10 minutes later because of you. I don't care when that ten minute period occurs. It's still my ten minutes. Don't think that a class ending ten minutes early is now your opportunity to hold the class hostage. And here's a newsflash for you, oh queen of the lecture hall. Residents, attendings and other med students will not tolerate your incessant questioning on the surgery clerkship. If you don't choose your questions wisely, you will be skewered during pimp sessions. Seriously.
Wow, your classmates are right. You are a know-it-all. Perhaps you should be my wicked ex-girlfriend, because you seem to know what's best for me.
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Bada bing bada bang.
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Every med school has people like this.
When the lecture is over, and it's time for a break, get up and walk out. Why is this so hard? Let the know-it-alls play "Look how much I know and how interested I am!" with the lecturers. The truth is, people like this probably irritate the lecturer as much as they irritate their fellow students. They are doomed to failure, and are as transparent as freshly cleaned glass.
When the lecture is over, and it's time for a break, get up and walk out. Why is this so hard? Let the know-it-alls play "Look how much I know and how interested I am!" with the lecturers. The truth is, people like this probably irritate the lecturer as much as they irritate their fellow students. They are doomed to failure, and are as transparent as freshly cleaned glass.
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Dude, there's only one of you and 150 or so annoyed classmate. Who do you think the "world should revolve around" in this system? (Hint -- make the majority happy). You seem to have missed everyones' points here, which is part of the reason you are likely a bad question asker. So please ask them in private. It's not like you don't have that option. But the rest of us really don't have other options when you insist on holding the class over 10 mins.
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Depends where you are seated and where the door to the room is located in your classroom. For a lot of us, it is unrealistic and rude to head for the door while class is in session.
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SMQ, yes I am still in college, but I have been to several med schools as a "student for the day" so Yes, I am familiar with the "Hand raising to ask questions all the time" people. I just think it irritates me more that other people try to force others to do, say, and speak as they do. Yes 10 minutes is alot of time to get one long awaited task done and I understand that. Take it from someone who has been working in the hospital and clinics for about 8 years, so taking a quick 10 minutes to "pee" isn't new to me. When I worked in the ER, I almost didn't get a break half the time and maybe not food either. I'm not saying it's OK to disrupt everyones last 10 minutes for something that could possibly wait 'til you meet with the professor, but I don't like people telling me to do what they say I should do either. 😉
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Wow, you must have lots of friends. 🙄
Speaking of the bathroom issue, I'll admit I get up in the middle of class to go. My school was built in the 70s and has a major shortage of women's restrooms, so if you wait until the break, you'll spent your whole break in line and be late to the next class. I'm quiet about it, but I'm not going to stop. I'm also late every day, so I guess I'm rude. It's still less irritating that annoying question askers who think the whole class is about them and their personal learning experience. 🙂
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If I experienced this for only one day or so at a time, I'd probably wonder what the fuss was about. When it happens repeatedly (and, yes, as the stress level increases), it gets more annoying. It's kind of like "what is SO important about your personal curiosity that everyone else has to endure it?" Especially when there are many other ways of answering those questions. Fundamentally, pissing off your classmates isn't worth it.
On the same token, isn't the person asking questions forcing you to sit through an additional 5-10 minutes of lecture, and listen to something that you don't really need to hear anyway? The issue of "forcing someone to do something" goes both ways, I guess.
Uh oh... you're going to hate med school, especially 3rd year. 😉
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I've considered getting up in the middle of class to go to the bathroom, but that sometimes involves climbing over 3 other people, walking past the podium, and past 7 rows of people. These lecture halls were clearly designed to keep people in their seats.
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Honestly, this says it all.Yah, and that was really called for. I was figuring people are asking intelligent questions, at intelligent times, not just constantly asking things that were gone over or fairly easy to find out for themselves. I was giving a certain benefit of the doubt that they weren't like dopey premeds creating posts questioning things they can look up in the MSAR.
Yeah...thanks for the perspective from some one who has not yet started med school. Seeing that you have absolutely no experience in this particular situation, just sit back and let us figure it out. I promise I won't tell you which med school you should attend.
Thanks for questioning my bedside manner, too. Any other topics you would like to address on which you have no experience to base your opinion? btw, I LOVE it when people choose screen names suggesting some end goal that is 4 years away. What? You mean you aren't an orthopedist? But I thought you were a doc?
What - so you're condescending enough to think that I have to be a med student or "above" to be able to see bad attitudes for what they are? I wasn't questioning YOUR personal bedside manner. I do actually have experience in these situations. It's called living with people's bad attitudes, whether they're in a med school classroom, a clinic, in line at Dunkin' Donuts, whatever. Keep proving my point. I'm inspired more & more.
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See, this is the key. Those annoying premeds who ask things that they can look up in the MSAR? Or the ones who post things like "I wore a red tie to my interview! Will this hurt my chances of acceptance?!?"? They eventually get to med school, and ask similar questions during lecture. NOW do you see?
You've just proved his point. If you were a med student, then you would know what kind of questions get asked in lecture, and so you wouldn't have given people the benefit of the doubt. But you aren't, so you didn't, and you did.
Listen - just don't tell people that they have a bad attitude when you really don't know how you'll act in a similar situation a year or so from now. I think that that's what they were trying to say.
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YES, I DO see! I didn't prove his point at all. I understand that you are all talking about this annoying feature of the dopes asking about the red tie at the interviews, and when is the deadline for school X, etc., etc.... I GET that!! Yes, it is totally annoying!!
It's just that you can handle it by being annoyed, or you can handle it by not letting yourself be annoyed. It's just a matter of what attitude you want to have. I'm not trying to be an idiot, or a jerk.
I did expect the people who asked those dumb questions to drop off in the admissions process, and I did expect to have classmates who weren't so nasty if someone had a real question in class. Am I naiive about people? Heck yah. But that's not because I'm not in med school yet! I've always been like that...
Whatever. I get the message.
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And residency, and the first decade or so of practice. This is a field where people are going to tell you "to do what they say I should do " for quite some time. %&*& flows downstream and it is a long journey before you are upstream enough to not be swallowing any.
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I have sat in the middle of a row three rows from the front, and still gotten up, stepped over my classmates, and walked out. There is no penalty for this. If you lecturer finds it rude, what are they going to do? Give you a "low lecture evaluation"? If they say anything to you, all you have to do is point out that you only have a 10 minute break to pee, and you're not going to stick around while your idiot classmate brown-noses through it.
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Despite the thread title, this discussion isn't really about "bad attitudes". It's about people standing up for their own free time vs. the will of a select few to commandeer that time for their own agenda. I'm sure we all have experiences with bad attitudes. But what you don't have is experience as a med student, in a lecture hall, in the days before an exam week, in a cycle that reapeats itself over 2 years. Even the kindest folk turn nasty during exam week.
I'm not sure which of your points I proved, and I'm not sure what I am inspiring you to continue. Believe me, you will live this scenario in 6-12 months. I hope you return to post your opinion on these questioners when you have experienced it for yourself. Excuse my nastiness, but I have (at least) two pet peeves.
1) People posting opinions on topics in which they have no experience, then getting offended when their lack of experience is called to question. There are thousands of voices on SDN which have experience in whatever the field of question. Let them do the preaching. As I mentioned, I don't hit up the Pre-Allo boards, because I know I can't contribute. I don't know what it's like to get into med school these days. But thousands of you do, and I am sure there is great advice there.
2) Jumping to the defense of a complete stranger who has begun a thread, in the name of reassurance. No one here, unless they actually attend school with the OP, has a clear understanding of the scenario. I'm sure you have noticed that a clearer picture of the OP has developed as this thread matured. You can infer much of this by the original post. "Bad attidues" "I am sooooo sick" "catty" "whining" "everyone thinks I'm a know-it-all" "people are reading me wrong". It seems she's "really curious" about everything BUT a bit of introspection. Her attitude seems as bad as anyone else who has posted. Sure, I understand- the problem is with everyone else in the class. Riiiiiigghhttt.
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That there are no repercussions doesn't make it less rude. Not every action has to have a benefit or penalty. Manners and etiquette usually don't.
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This is why 1) I sat in the backrow for the first two years of med school when I had to go to required classes, and 2) I stopped going to class when it wasn't required. You see, I figured out that it was all about me. In fact, sometimes I would go to class and just so that I could raise my hand to tell the lecturer that he needed to finish up his incoherent drivel because I needed to go refill my coffee cup or go scope the 1st years as someone mentioned. During third year, when the medicine attending was rambling off a 14 hour DDx for low mag levels during post call rounds, I had to stop him and ask if it would be ok if I could take a nap at the nursing station while he finished up. During a whipple I once asked the surgical onc attending if it was ok for me to scrub out and grab some lunch and a cup of coffee. Damn straight its all about me!
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Yes, stop asking questions. Sooner or later you'll realize that you will learn the important stuff in second year and that the minutae learned by asking the one relevant question of 50 irrelevant questions isn't worth the tradeoff of pissing people off
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Yep. It might be rude, but who cares. It's not like there's a grade penalty, nor are we being evaluated for something lame like professionalism during lectures. The lecturers have no clue who we are anyway, and if they have a problem with people getting up, that's their deal, not mine. We going to have to kiss enough butt during the clinical part of our education -- I don't need to obsess about it now.
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This solution might be a bit awkward for the ladies. Or at least more awkward than for the guys.
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You know, you're absolutely right. But then, I WAS looking for something to do for summer research... Perhaps a less gender-specific solution is in order. Ah, I can tell the Nobel committee will LOVE this one
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Hey,
We have alot of people who like to ask questions during lecture, so there was a facebook group set up to post pics of them asking their oh so important questions. Feel free to join and upload your own pics of classmates.
http://uth.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2212482307
We have alot of people who like to ask questions during lecture, so there was a facebook group set up to post pics of them asking their oh so important questions. Feel free to join and upload your own pics of classmates.
http://uth.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2212482307
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this thread made me smile.
i seriously scrolled through peoples comments to find medsurg's posts.
i seriously scrolled through peoples comments to find medsurg's posts.
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I'm not in med school yet, but my solution is going to be to simply skip lecture all together 😀 Problem solved people.
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"I am soooo sick of people in my class (first years) having the attitude of "tell me only what I need to know for the exam..." and getting catty when I ask questions at the end of a lecture just because they could have left 10 minutes early (!) It gets so frustrating when, instead of whining, you should have a good attitude and try to learn as much as you can before the boards."
I don't understand. If it's at the end of lecture, why can't people leave. People who don't want to hear your questions can just leave. Tell them to beat it if they don't want to hear you.
I don't understand. If it's at the end of lecture, why can't people leave. People who don't want to hear your questions can just leave. Tell them to beat it if they don't want to hear you.
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The professor doesn't end the lecture, then politely ask all interested students to leave before questions are asked. Lecture ends. Questions ensue. Occasionally, a good question is posed. We don't know who will ask, or what the topic is, till it's out of their mouth. 200 people do not exit a lecture hall quietly, so it's not like we can choose to leave once the question is out there. We choose to respect the time of the professor, and silently shoot daggers through the head of the questioner. Then we post here, hoping to catch all the pre-meds before they matriculate, letting them know this behavior is uncalled for.
The stealth ones have learned to ask questions throughout the lecture. Should we stand up and walk out, just to return after a couple minutes?
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Depends, how bad do you have to pee?
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Hold on. So y'all sit there and listen to people ask questions when lecture is over? No offense, but it sounds like that's your own fault. Just leave if you don't want to be there.
Maybe i'm looking at this the wrong way. Is there like, a wait to get your question in? Are you saying that people get pissed because their "good" questions didn't get asked?
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10 minutes of time out of the lecture room might be 10 minutes that you aren't pissed at the student asking the question. No?
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What is great is when someone asks a question like "Can you tell us what emesis is?" during a pharm lecture on the second to the last day of the GI path block, and half the class turns around to the person and says "VOMITING!" However, the professor then went onto a lengthy discussion of what emesis was.
As for getting up when the professor is still talking, we don't get up until they basically say they're done. They answer a few questions, turn off the mic, then the line/huddle for anyone else's questions forms.
As for getting up when the professor is still talking, we don't get up until they basically say they're done. They answer a few questions, turn off the mic, then the line/huddle for anyone else's questions forms.
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I think you aren't picturing it right. The lecture isn't per se "over". Questions come in two forms: (1.) where people like the OP raise their hand at the very end of lecture (but before the prof has "signed off") and the prof, still miked, answers them in front of the class. There is no opportunity to leave in a class of 200 people without disrupting the prof. and some lecture halls do not enable a stealth escape. (2.) Folks can go down after class and ask the prof a question in private, and the rest of the class is able to escape. There is always the opportunity to do #2, and no reason not to do #2, so folks who do #1 are effectively forcing the class to hear their question. It's a hostage situation plain and simple.
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Not to be excessively down on pre-meds, but what's the deal with all the pre-meds coming here and saying things like "sounds like it's your own fault" when they haven't the slightest effing clue what they're talking about?
If they want to lurk or ask questions, fine, but them giving "advice" on med school is like me telling an astronaut how to prep his suit for a spacewalk, or maybe telling Law2Doc about the practice of law.
Pre-meds, when you're stuck in class with Supid Question Girl wasting your time, you'll see what it's like, and then everyone except the OP will sympathise with you.
"So red blood cells all have a heme group? What about erythrocytes?"
If they want to lurk or ask questions, fine, but them giving "advice" on med school is like me telling an astronaut how to prep his suit for a spacewalk, or maybe telling Law2Doc about the practice of law.
Pre-meds, when you're stuck in class with Supid Question Girl wasting your time, you'll see what it's like, and then everyone except the OP will sympathise with you.
"So red blood cells all have a heme group? What about erythrocytes?"
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I'm really not sure what's up with the pre-meds thinking they have some understanding of what's going on here, and trying to counsel us. I'm about to graduate med school. I promise, you do not have the unique solution to this problem. I'm not saying you have to understand it, because I think you have to endure it to appreciate it for what it is worth. As Law said, which is what was mentioned VERY EARLY in this thread, the polite thing to do is to wait until the prof has turned off the mic, thus signaling the official lecture is over. Then all the questioners may approach the prof in private, at the front of the class. That's the solution.
Until then, like I mentioned to Orthodoc, wait until you live the experience. You'll see, I promise. The only ones who defend the questioners are fellow questioners.
Until then, like I mentioned to Orthodoc, wait until you live the experience. You'll see, I promise. The only ones who defend the questioners are fellow questioners.
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You're right, it's an annoying trend from some of the pre-allo set on SDN. Yesterday a premed (on this site) lectured me on the types of cases I can expect to see in my new residency, because he had "observed over 300hrs" of Ortho cases. Of course, at 10-12hrs of surgery a day, 3-4 days a week, I had that wrapped up in my first two months of 4th year, to say nothing of my MS3 year. But hey, they're the experts, right?
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smq123 you are so funny. 😀 😉 I hope that med school will be ejoyable too. I know that it is a lot of work and I give a 👍 to you guys that are already there. Just hang in there and try to be supportive of one another. 🙂
P.S. Just b/c I'm premed doesn't mean that I'm stupid either, You might just try to listen to people sometimes!! You have no idea what affiliations other people have.
P.S. Just b/c I'm premed doesn't mean that I'm stupid either, You might just try to listen to people sometimes!! You have no idea what affiliations other people have.
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Yes, but just because you're not stupid, it doesn't give you the ability to speak intelligently about situations you have only read/heard about. I don't lecture residents on how to round and I don't tell attendings how to operate. Don't tell us how to handle our idiot classmates until you sit through a couple weeks of lecture with a some of your own. Easy enough, eh?
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Yes it does, we are all stupid. It's just that those of us in med school have a much better sense of how little we really know than those not yet there.
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Why not? 🙂 There was this annoying guy in law school who would ask these totally abstract questions about whatever. I got in the habit of using that time as a bathroom break. I figured I wasn't going to miss anything I'd actually need to know. 😀 Life's good when you're rude, I guess. 😎
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I am in love with Law2Doc's brain. Elegantly put, sir.
Or as Bill S. Preston, Esquire & "Ted" Theodore Logan put it:
"So-crates. He said: The only true wisdom, is knowing that we know nothing. Dude! That's us! Excellent!"
