Why do some cheaters still win?

[bubbachuck]

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in the end if they some how learn the material well they got lucky, if they don't there is where they will fail, not me stopping them. the world will sort itself out.

i dunno...bush is still president isn't he?

Horrible examples, especially President and Senator.

No one goes under more scrutiny than the President and Senators/other politicians. The entire elective process is to reveal those lies. If you think politicians have it easy, think again. Nowhere else can a lie be discovered more quickly than in politics.
Now whether something is done about it is another problem...[/QUOTE]

My point exactly.

Take a look at the revolving door that is Kstreet and capital hill. Just this last year Tom Delay, Bob Ney, Duke Cunningham, Curt Wedlon, etc have all been indicted and Ney and Cunningham are already in jail. Delay was the fu King majority leader. Not to mention Mark Foley who has been messing around with teenage boys for god knows how long, you have to ask hastert about that one. Jefferson had his office raided by the FBI and they found 90k in his freezer and nothing has happened to him. They gerrymander districts to ensure and easy reelction, that sounds like cheating to me. You are so incredibly naive.

so you just showed that in the end, cheaters do lose. tom delay, mark foley, and others had promising political careers that are now ruined. clinton's presidency will always be shadowed by the Lewinsky scandal. gerrymandering is done by both parties, no? its cheating, but since there's only two parties and both do it, it could conceivably as well be not cheating.

 

[Slide]

The sad fact is that cheaters do win. It's the spirit of the American dream; fight, steal, and cheat your way to success.

 

[Cirrus83]

Well, if she cheated, got caught, nearly failed, and then realized that hard work is the only real way to go and worked her way back up to an A-, I kind of have to argue that she learned her lesson, no?

It's not like she was a C student without the cheating.

I remember in high school like half the students cheated just because it was so cutthroat and nobody wanted to have the wrong answer to something on a test. I also remember people getting caught once or twice (the most spectacular was when someone tried to steal the math final by breaking in at night, succeeded, and gave copies to so many people that they had to disqualify the results of the test since like 50% of the kids had 100's lol). Wasn't my math class but it was a pretty big deal so everyone knew.

Anyways, my point is, there's lots of people who've cheated in the past, but so long as they don't cheat anymore and they know what they're doing it's all good. She really shouldn't have cheated in college where there's really hardcore policies at most places, but she did anyway and learned that it's a really bad idea.

 

[CTSballer11]

bubbachuck,

I just showed you examples of people who cheat and steal and get caught, and those that don't. There are many more people egaging in this activity that will never get caught. BTW, Tom Delay will never be convicted, he is even appearing on the FOX News Channel. Did you forget about Nixon, he broke the law and was pardoned by ford and never spent a day in jail.

 

[youngnflyy]

Cheating is bad of course, but I really couldn't care less about who does it or who doesn't. I also agree that it's naive to think that just because you do cheat, karma will come back around to you. I know many students who are smart without cheating but who buckle under the weight of a big exam and resort to it. That doesn't mean they are going to fail later in life, it just means that they didn't spend enough time studying for that exam and because they are so obsessed with their grade as many pre-med students are, they do whatever it takes to get that A. It's really amazing what pre-med tract does to some people. Just a week ago a group of girls in my organic lab class went postal on the professor because of a test question. The question asked, "what is adipic acid used for"? These dummies wrote nylon, when the answer he was looking for was that it's USED to make nylon. They completely went bezerk on him in the middle of class. Personally if I didn't study for an exam I'd rather just accept my fate and my F, and then use that as motivation to work harder for the next time around.

 

[Karina 07]

My two cents on this whole thread:

1) The "skank" and "*****" thing jumped out at me, too, reading the first post.

2) I knew a girl like that. She didn't go to med school, she's now working for McKinsey. I guess her getting out of trouble bs skills probably even helped her in interviews there. (She also chose her courses entirely based on their median grades....)

I might have more to say later, I've just got a lot of thoughts that are too entwined right now to make sense of them.

 

[Sartre79]

I've never seen it written that life is fair, but often hear the opposite.

 

[Nasrudin]

I for one believe that an individual possesses nothing more important than their own integrity.
Furthermore, for physicians the annie is upped. The profession must stand on its integrity for how else could it carry out its aim.

I've seen lots of cheating in school and think it sucks. If anyone ever cheats on my watch as medical professional they will not escape confrontation, and perhaps a formal report. But as it is not my role as a fellow student to preside over the conduct of my classmates, all I do is lament it as a likely future disservice to the public.

 

[LifetimeDoc]

There was this guy in my Biochemistry class last year that was caught cheating on the final exam. Our professor had left expectantly, so another professor filled in for the rest of the semester and graded the final exam. He caught the guy cheating on the final, but didn't do anything about it then. I know the guy got a D in the class, and started a petition to get every-one's grade changed because the final was so difficult. He ended up with a D, and I never saw him again. Sometimes people who cheat do get their comeuppance.

 

[Samoa]

First of all, one episode of cheating is entirely sufficient to keep a person out of med school. Very likely there are 20 good applicants out there for that same spot who haven't cheated (or at least haven't gotten caught).

Secondly, to clusterfunk: not all MD/MPH students cheat. In fact, I'm an MD/MPH student myself, and I've never cheated, nor been asked to help someone cheat, nor seen anyone else do it. So if you have any specific examples, you might want to share them to prove that you're not just spouting hot air.

 

[Chuckwalla]

"LIFE IS NOT FAIR, BAH HA"

Cheating sucks, people who cheat suck more. Cheating like many problems in the world is something that is out of our hands. But that doesn't mean it isn't frustrating and that sure as hell doesn't mean we can't vent. The OP just wanted to vent, vent with him or don't post. We certainly don't need the many wannabe preachers who have popped up.

 

[Kikaku21]

I know some gutter trash skank at my college who plagiarized her ENTIRE final report for a Biochem Lab course -- and was caught. The prof said she'd get an F for the course, but she went and cried and somehow was absolved and worked her course grade back up to an A-.

And here's the kicker. This stupid ***** got an acceptance into a better medical school than I have so far. I know life isn't fair, etc. etc. etc., and I am plenty happy that I have an acceptance for next year. But I am interested in finding out how common this is across the board.

Seriously, I feel bad for whoever gets stuck in a group with this chick in medical school, or even better... in a medical practice someday. Have fun when she slits your throat just to get a copy of your work and put her name on it.

I know some gutter trash skank at my college who plagiarized her ENTIRE final report for a Biochem Lab course -- and was caught. The prof said she'd get an F for the course, but she went and cried and somehow was absolved and worked her course grade back up to an A-.

And here's the kicker. This stupid ***** got an acceptance into a better medical school than I have so far. I know life isn't fair, etc. etc. etc., and I am plenty happy that I have an acceptance for next year. But I am interested in finding out how common this is across the board.

Seriously, I feel bad for whoever gets stuck in a group with this chick in medical school, or even better... in a medical practice someday. Have fun when she slits your throat just to get a copy of your work and put her name on it.

I am seriously getting tired of these kinds of threads. Actually, its not just these kinds of threads. It is a tone that really permeates MOST of the SDN threads.

Its that complaining tone about how this process is so unfair, and how some people get things that other people deserve and so forth. And let me clarify, I'm not talking about the complaining part, because I complain as well... The part that bothers me is this implication that things ought to be utterly fair, and that the world owes you better.

The world doesn't owe you s***. If someone cheated and beat you, then they cheated and beat you. There is nothing that you can do to change that person. There is nothing you can do to change the system that allowed that person to get by with submoral behavior. The only thing that you CAN change is YOU. You can be a better doctor, lawyer, piano teacher, or cab driver than this person by bringing integrity and earnest hard work to the profession that you choose.

You will have a sense of personal satisfaction that a cheater will not have. And that is just the way things are. That is the only built in benefit that there is. The world and the system does not owe you fairness. Consider yourself lucky not to have been born in Somalia, or some other s***hole, where fairness isn't even an applicable concept. We have been given so much by random chance, so we should make the best of it.

And before you start flaming me about how we need to try to make the world a more fair place, let me just say that I agree. The world is really crappy for a lot of people. The largest disparities are the kinds of things that good volunteer work will illustrate. The smallest disparities are whether a bunch of premeds are treated well in the application process.

So suck it up and be the terrific person that you are probably capable of being.

 

[notdeadyet]

I'm not going to defend her actions, but I wish you hadn't referred to her as a "skank" and a "*****".

Methinks TomWestmanRules has bigger issues with women than just cheating.

 

[e_phn]

I know some gutter trash skank at my college who plagiarized her ENTIRE final report for a Biochem Lab course -- and was caught. The prof said she'd get an F for the course, but she went and cried and somehow was absolved and worked her course grade back up to an A-.

And here's the kicker. This stupid ***** got an acceptance into a better medical school than I have so far. I know life isn't fair, etc. etc. etc., and I am plenty happy that I have an acceptance for next year. But I am interested in finding out how common this is across the board.

Seriously, I feel bad for whoever gets stuck in a group with this chick in medical school, or even better... in a medical practice someday. Have fun when she slits your throat just to get a copy of your work and put her name on it.

i hope she won't turn this cheating act into a bad habit. moreover, she'll be in deep trouble if she cheats in the real world. 😉 hopefully she's learned her lesson.

 

[MinnyGophers]

Horrible examples, especially President and Senator.

No one goes under more scrutiny than the President and Senators/other politicians. The entire elective process is to reveal those lies. If you think politicians have it easy, think again. Nowhere else can a lie be discovered more quickly than in politics.
Now whether something is done about it is another problem...[/QUOTE]

My point exactly.

Take a look at the revolving door that is Kstreet and capital hill. Just this last year Tom Delay, Bob Ney, Duke Cunningham, Curt Wedlon, etc have all been indicted and Ney and Cunningham are already in jail. Delay was the fu King majority leader. Not to mention Mark Foley who has been messing around with teenage boys for god knows how long, you have to ask hastert about that one. Jefferson had his office raided by the FBI and they found 90k in his freezer and nothing has happened to him. They gerrymander districts to ensure and easy reelction, that sounds like cheating to me. You are so incredibly naive.

In that case, weren't they all being punished one way or another?
Cheaters win when no one ever finds out. As soon as it is public knowledge, they lose. It's that simple.
So maybe it's not the punishment that some people think they deserve, so what. The fact alone that people know that they cheated/lied/whatever hurts their integrity, and if they can live with that good for them, but most people will have at least some problem dealing with it, one way or another. How is that being naive? you are proving my point.

Also edited to add : no I do not believe that all cheaters get what they deserved. But that's not my place to do anything about it.

 

[MinnyGophers]

bubbachuck,

I just showed you examples of people who cheat and steal and get caught, and those that don't. There are many more people egaging in this activity that will never get caught. BTW, Tom Delay will never be convicted, he is even appearing on the FOX News Channel. Did you forget about Nixon, he broke the law and was pardoned by ford and never spent a day in jail.

And their name will still be forever tarnished. That is punishment.

 

[Jwax]

i'm not a cheater, and i'm not particularly averse to seeing them get what they deserve, but i think it's kind of naive to think that these cheaters "will get caught eventually" or that "it will catch up with them" or even that it will just cause them to become more unethical down the line. most of them will, but more than a few will be able to pull it off without ever getting caught, or having it affect their life negatively in anyway. it's sad, but it's the real world, and it happens. you see it in business all the time, and at the end of the day, medicine is a business.

Seconded....

I have gotten to the point in life where I've realized that no, everyone who does things that are immoral or hurtful or whatever Do Not get what's coming to them. I wouldn't even think that most of the people who cheat are ultimately going to get caught. I think that is just our way of saying, We are doing the right thing and their dirty deeds will catch them someday, as a way to comfort ourselves. Life is hard, and cheaters/liars/etc often prosper while the good people fall on their faces.

No, I'm not bitter

 

[wickd]

I'm surprised that there is so much emphasis on this thread. Someone cheated, so what?

 

[Samoa]

It's offensive to people who value integrity. That's what. In fact, I believe it says something about a person if they're not offended.

Not that you have to go on a big crusade about it whenever someone cheats. But it should just very quietly not be tolerated.

 

[TomWestmanRules]

I took out the inappropriate words in my first post, as many people here found them offensive. Ladies, I apologize.

It was spur-of-the-moment anger at finding out about that person's acceptance, which has since gone away. But I see this has led to an interesting moral discussion.

Remind me not to post after I've been drinking...

 

[Cirrus83]

Cheating is bad of course, but I really couldn't care less about who does it or who doesn't. I also agree that it's naive to think that just because you do cheat, karma will come back around to you. I know many students who are smart without cheating but who buckle under the weight of a big exam and resort to it. That doesn't mean they are going to fail later in life, it just means that they didn't spend enough time studying for that exam and because they are so obsessed with their grade as many pre-med students are, they do whatever it takes to get that A. It's really amazing what pre-med tract does to some people. Just a week ago a group of girls in my organic lab class went postal on the professor because of a test question. The question asked, "what is adipic acid used for"? These dummies wrote nylon, when the answer he was looking for was that it's USED to make nylon. They completely went bezerk on him in the middle of class. Personally if I didn't study for an exam I'd rather just accept my fate and my F, and then use that as motivation to work harder for the next time around.

lol I think I'd berserk too, I've had that happen before where the answer I wrote obviously meant what they wanted but it was missing like one word. Anyways, your professor is a jerk anyway, but I probably wouldn't ever flip out, I'd just make a mental note that the professor is a jackass and make sure to write used next time.

 

[MonkeyNuts!]

This is the exact problem with premeds. Didn't you learn in kindergarten that nobody likes a tattletale? Also unless you have proof, and even if you did it is not your place, it would probably be considered libel to write something like that to the medical school. People need to quit worrying so much about others and focus on themselves. If you work hard, are smart, and work well with others you will be successful. Going around and whining about others is not going to get you anywhere.

While I do agree that it would be pretty tacky to send a letter to that medical school and be like "retract her acceptance, she is a cheater" - which probably wouldn't do much seeing as how OP is still a student, I do think something DOES need to be done.

We are going to be professionals one day. Are you saying that if we think someone sews up a pair of scissors in a person on the OT that we shouldn't just suck it up and be like "o that dude will get his in the end"? I say start the indoctrination of professionalism when we are still being educated.

While there are really stupid ways to handle this (aka aforementioned writing to the school), doing nothing is equally stupid.

 

[MonkeyNuts!]

I am seriously getting tired of these kinds of threads. Actually, its not just these kinds of threads. It is a tone that really permeates MOST of the SDN threads.

Well someone a while back thought up the idea of making a small box with an x inscribed inside of it - it's located in the upper righthand corner of your screen. Anytime you don't like something you are reading, feel free to take your mouse (that's the little plastic thing with the wire sitting next to your keyboard on a pad) and move the pointer over this x box and click the left side button with your index finger.

 

[Cirrus83]

While I do agree that it would be pretty tacky to send a letter to that medical school and be like "retract her acceptance, she is a cheater" - which probably wouldn't do much seeing as how OP is still a student, I do think something DOES need to be done.

We are going to be professionals one day. Are you saying that if we think someone sews up a pair of scissors in a person on the OT that we shouldn't just suck it up and be like "o that dude will get his in the end"? I say start the indoctrination of professionalism when we are still being educated.

While there are really stupid ways to handle this (aka aforementioned writing to the school), doing nothing is equally stupid.

Umm, no. See, the girl was already CAUGHT. This whole thing is LONG over with. She was caught, and she "worked her grade back up" which seems to suggest that she had to do something to get forgiven for this.

There's nothing to do now, because this is well in the past. Trying to do anything now is just tacky. What are you gonna do, run around telling everyone that she used to be a cheater, was caught, did lots of extra credit work, and got an A-, and uhh....demand that they take away her degree?

This isn't even slightly similar to noticing someone else screw up a procedure, this is WELL in the past-the OP is just bitter that the person who screwed up got into med school and they didn't.

But you know, maybe the OP didn't get accepted because the OP is the kinda person who calls a female cheater a skanky *****, and likes to whine about how unfair life is instead of actually trying to be a better student.

I'd guess that the OP didn't even get a friggin' A- in that class, which probably means that a cheater understood the material better, lol.

 

[Anastasis]

It's offensive to people who value integrity. That's what. In fact, I believe it says something about a person if they're not offended.

Not that you have to go on a big crusade about it whenever someone cheats. But it should just very quietly not be tolerated.

Well said.

 

[45408]

Oh if only this happy notion were true. We've had a girl caught on tape cheating on a shelf exam (for you pre-meds those are the nationally standardized tests at the end of your core rotations). End result, nothing. Still gonna graduate, still gonna get her MD, still gonna practice. Nice huh? Thats medical school for you, all talk, no action.

Don't count on that! Apparently some M3 did the same thing at my school and was shown the door, after shelling out $100,000 to be here thus far.

 

[45408]

Remind me not to post after I've been drinking...

hehe, I've come back and edited a few posts in the past.....

 

[MonkeyNuts!]

Umm, no. See, the girl was already CAUGHT. This whole thing is LONG over with. She was caught, and she "worked her grade back up" which seems to suggest that she had to do something to get forgiven for this.

There's nothing to do now, because this is well in the past. Trying to do anything now is just tacky. What are you gonna do, run around telling everyone that she used to be a cheater, was caught, did lots of extra credit work, and got an A-, and uhh....demand that they take away her degree?

Ah ok the way I interpreted it, I thought this was somethign that happened within the last week or so. Cheated on a test, got caught, cried, somehow got it up to an A, funny business with prof.

I suppose you're right then, OP just a bitter person who is striking out at someone who got accepted who happened to be a cheater and doesn't think that's fair cuz he is acceptanceless.

I dunno, OP shed some light please, are you posting about something that has been over for quite some time?

 

[Cirrus83]

Well anyways here's some fun stats:

Every day across America, millions of students from middle school to medical school face similar ethical quandaries–and research indicates that most choose to cheat. In a recent survey conducted by Who's Who Among American High School Students, 80 percent of high-achieving high schoolers admitted to having cheated at least once; half said they did not believe cheating was necessarily wrong–and 95 percent of the cheaters said they have never been caught. According to the Center for Academic Integrity at Duke University, three quarters of college students confess to cheating at least once. And a new U.S. News poll found 90 percent of college kids believe cheaters never pay the price.*

lol, so the OP should be pissed at 75% of all college students.

Most alarming to researchers is the pervasiveness of cheating among adolescents. What begins as penny-ante dishonesty in elementary school–stealing Pokémon cards or glancing at a neighbor's spelling test–snowballs into more serious cheating in middle and high school, as enrollments swell and students start moving from class to class, teacher to teacher. Professor Davis, who has gathered data on more than 17,000 students, notes that 50 years ago, only about 1 in 5 college students admitted to having cheated in high school. Today, a range of studies shows that figure has exploded, to anywhere from three quarters of students to an astonishing 98 percent.

This is from: http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/articles/brief/cocheata_brief.php

Anyway, no it's not ok to cheat, and we shouldn't be OK with people cheating. But if you're really naive enough to treat this on cheater like she's some crazy evil freak you're delusional, because tons of people cheat.

Sometimes it's not even really cheating to cheat. For example, if a professor recycles questions on finals year in and year out, and you have old tests to study from, it's virtually cheating because you already did the exact same questions (and depending on how lazy they are they might not even change the figures). That's apparently why some fratboys can have insanely high grades when they're not even studying that much lol. But technically this isn't cheating, unless you specifically knew those questions were going to be on the test, since you're just practicing.

That happened to me once actually (I'm not a frat boy), where I was studying for my econ 101 class, and I had already done all the previous tests the teacher had put online. But my own notes weren't perfect so I borrowed my friend's notes. She had taken the class the previous year, but didn't just have the older tests I had access to because she had friends who had taken it the year before, etc. So suddenly had more tests to practice on, and I did.

Then I walked into the final and realized that I had already done the entire test-well most questions had different #'s (but the same kind of question), but I do remember one question had the exact same #'s even. Anyways, I had no idea the teacher was going to reuse the exact same questions so it wouldn't have been cheating regardless, but more or less all the frat-boys, or even just groups of friends who take the same classes, would be able to use this to their advantage.

BTW, I already had excellent grades in that econ class (like 95's), and wasn't trying to cheat in the least-just practice doing econ problems. But I did end up with a 100 on the final which was kinda insane-made me wish that I was in a frat so I could do that on all my tests, lol.

My point, btw, is that there are things that aren't even technically cheating that are pretty much the same as cheating (actually, I'd venture that studying like that would be even more effective than cheating since you'd actually understand what you were doing, versus trying to just memorize answers). And that sort of thing never even gets cracked down on, because you can't really disqualify someone's grades just because they studied on questions that ended up being very similar to those on the exam (or even identical). Of course this will only happen if you have a lazy professor who doesn't write new tests anyway.

 

[45408]

lol, so the OP should be pissed at 75% of all college students.

That probably lumps together people who "collaborate" on worksheets or online quizzes along with the people who sit behind the smartest kid in class for the final exam.

 

[Cirrus83]

That probably lumps together people who "collaborate" on worksheets or online quizzes along with the people who sit behind the smartest kid in class for the final exam.

Yeah, but the girl the OP was whining at was cheating on a lab report. Whether you're "collaborating" with your friends on the lab report or "collaborating" with the internet doesn't really change the fact that you're cheating.

On a side note, it's actually much more likely that people cheat on things like lab reports, since it's harder to cheat on an entire exam without being caught, lol. Plus, there's always the chance that the smartest kid in the class was counting on that test being dropped as his lowest grade (heh I did something like that once, where I had a high grade in a class so I just slacked off on an exam since I knew it'd be dropped-stupid idea since I ended up falling behind in the class, but I was an idiot freshman).

 

[dynx]

Don't count on that! Apparently some M3 did the same thing at my school and was shown the door, after shelling out $100,000 to be here thus far.

Nope, this girl is one year gone with her MD in tow.
Im not sure how recent your example is but wait for the person's lawyers to drop kick some "sense" into your school.

If your school actually stood up to a lawsuit then I have a tremendous amount of respect for your SOM. If the student didn't have the brains to file a lawsuit, well then it proves only that you have to be semi-inteligent to get away with cheating.

 

[BeatrixKiddo]

Actually I do know some cheaters who copied some smart girl's exams during the whole semester. I'm not sure how that made me feel.

I guess I didn't want them to cheat because I wanted them to fail miserably, but in the end, I don't think their cheating hurt me. I studied and got a blandly disgusting grade (B-), and the cheaters also got a B.

I don't really think they'll be punished for that in Hell because it wasn't really a big deal, and their cheating will probably bring them lots of happiness in this life, you know bragging about it and all (which they did).

I guess that's just a choice you make, we all have that option open to us but something (morals, fear) holds us back. I don't think it makes us better people really. Just bitter.

 

[Aynamd]

It always catches up with them. I've seen it over and over again - people always suffer the consequences somewhere down the line.

 

[smugtroll]

I was in sales for 3 years and 8 months....everyone cheated and lied. The sad thing was that the veteran salesmen were victim of their own self deception!

Trust me, it will eventually erode integrity...life is unfair and there have been cheaters since the beginning of time.

Just because you don't witness the damage (i.e. kicked out) does not mean that the damage is inflicted.

 

[szhao]

i dunno...bush is still president isn't he?

shoot your right, its a witch, burn her!

 

[Aynamd]

 

[BleepTastic]

Just curious, how did you know for sure that she plagiarized her entire report?
And how did you know that just a teeny bit of crying fixed it all right up? Couldn't it have been a misunderstanding? Maybe she copied on a part of it ie. using someone else's results instead of her own because something got mixed up, and rumors spun out of control?

Anyway this:

If someone cheated and beat you, then they cheated and beat you. There is nothing that you can do to change that person. There is nothing you can do to change the system that allowed that person to get by with submoral behavior. The only thing that you CAN change is YOU. You can be a better doctor, lawyer, piano teacher, or cab driver than this person by bringing integrity and earnest hard work to the profession that you choose.

Sorry, not really my cup of tea. If someone cheated and beat me, they're not getting away with it. It's because of people with that lax attitude that cheating is so prevalent in the first place. Hey I don't cheat, but by all means do it if you must! Please. yeah, you can change YOU, but you can also change a whole bunch of other things. How about strengthening the honor code? Campaigning to change the school culture? Why are so many people just fine with the idea that your desk neighbor routinely cheats and rises to the top while you get to hold onto that sweet sweeeeet integrity? mmmm integrity.
Back in my day, we'd be rioting in the streets I tell you! Gah, I'm about to launch into a tirade about how our current young adult generation is being primed to "lay down and take it" and how everyone else is already so defeated that they can't even help it. so...I'll stop.

 

[Teejay]

Listen dude. Cheaters win cuz they've gat good game. They can play with the minds of little people. Don't be a hater, just step up your game.

 

[szhao]

Ah, the words of a fellow cheater. Stung by the realization that it is wrong, immediately jumps in to justify cheating to ease their own concience. Bravo.

Happy cheating.

lol i usually don't like to comment on people directly in a thread (usually resolve it off thread), but if your going to do it i might as well. your ability to reason is obviously impaired, there is no evidence to suggest i ever cheated nor did i approve of cheating, but its just an old chinese proverb i heed by, where no need to try to make some one else look bad to make yourself seem smarter. even if you say it was sarcasm i feel that was completely uncalled for.

 

[Nasrudin]

Listen dude. Cheaters win cuz they've gat good game. They can play with the minds of little people. Don't be a hater, just step up your game.

If your joking then I'm taking the troll bait, but assuming you're not....

What kind of chuckle-headed psuedo-hip-hop crap are you getting pimped on that you have forgone the concept of honor and even any remote sense of backbone?

 

[ClockworkDoc]

If you don't like it, join your school's Honor Council and the Academic Hearing Committee. I did and it felt like was sweet revenge.

 

[deleted77919]

The professors and their advisors know exactly what is happening, but tradition and common knowledge reveal that MD/MPH students receive preferential treatment because they are such huge a$$ets to the school's financial viability and reputation.

Why are these students financial assets to ther school other than they might pay an extra year of tuition? MD/PhD, ok, they get NIH funds and schools like that. There isn't similar national outside money for md/mph, so what's the big deal?

 

[sirus_virus]

If your joking then I'm taking the troll bait, but assuming you're not....

What kind of chuckle-headed psuedo-hip-hop crap are you getting pimped on that you have forgone the concept of honor and even any remote sense of backbone?

Teejay has a history of strange talk. check this out http://drslounge.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=341563

 

[Nasrudin]

Teejay has a history of strange talk. check this out http://drslounge.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=341563

Yeah. I should be less gullible. That's one of the downsides of the internet. People use anonymity for all sorts of purposes. I wish there was some element of face-to-face honesty on this site. I think people, including myself, would treat each other better and be less proned to opinion driven arguments. And also posters like deejay would probably not be as comfortable hiding behind the screen with meddlesome innuendos.

 

[whoisthedrizzle]

Why do some cheaters still win?

Because not everyone gets caught. Pretty ****ing simple.

 

[HumbleMD]

Holy thread revival Batman!

 

[normalwishart]

I'm not so sure this catches up with people.

I know someone who failed step 2x and then lied about the reasons during her interviews (claiming one of her parents was deathly ill during the time -- a lie). She ended up matching at an opto program.

There will always be people like this -- the choice is yours whether or not to associate with them.

 

[HumbleMD]

I'm not so sure this catches up with people.

I know someone who failed step 2x and then lied about the reasons during her interviews (claiming one of her parents was deathly ill during the time -- a lie). She ended up matching at an opto program.

There will always be people like this -- the choice is yours whether or not to associate with them.

An M.D. matching into an optometry program? Now that's certainly an interesting story...

 

[normalwishart]

Residency program -- opto is on early match.
thanks for the clarification.