Why DOs are just as awesome as MDs.

[moneytree]

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[DrWily]

Sorry to bump an already way-past-its-expiration thread, but I just wanted to throw something out there:

Let's just say the term "allopathic" has a negative connotation for historical/political/whatever reasons -- I realize this is debatable but let's just go with johnnydrama for now and assume that it's a given.

With this premise in mind... So what?

Context is what matters here. Many deeply ingrained termed in society are based on questionable origins and less-than-flattering intentions. It's what makes linguistics and the evolution of language so interesting. Moreover, definitions evolve and what ultimately matters is society's current interpretation of a word.

As of now, in the year 2012 in the United States, Allopathic = MD and Osteopathic = DO. That is all that matters. Nothing more, nothing less. It's a simple distinction.

My two cents.



PS: As for homeopathy -- give me a break. The fact that the H word is even uttered on a remotely-scientific forum (let alone a medical one) is beyond pathetic.

This x1000. Boom.

>2012
>getting butthurt over "allopathic"
>1st world problems

 

[DolFAN]

This thread is bad and you should feel bad.

 

[jrporte3]

Lol

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[UTsksk]

good luck trying to find a DO that goes into plastic surgery though

Shadowed one and he wrote me a LOR...he was from western

 

[SpecterGT260]

Shadowed one and he wrote me a LOR...he was from western

to be fair, he probably meant from an ACGME residency. AOA has programs for all of the competitive fields. However the point was still childish and asinine 👍

 

[SpecterGT260]

Only bad thing about being a DO is the idiot Americans who think only MDs are doctors.

Then... you know.... the rest of the world that won't even let you practice.

Don't bring this overworked crap here if you are this ignorant. The USA is your BFF if you are a DO. Maybe Canada can be ur F*** buddy, but everyone else could give a crap. Here in the good old U you enjoy some of the most lax licensing requirements my brain can handle without spontaneously hemorrhaging 🙂

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[Mokthraka]

Then... you know.... the rest of the world that won't even let you practice.

Don't bring this overworked crap here if you are this ignorant. The USA is your BFF if you are a DO. Maybe Canada can be ur F*** buddy, but everyone else could give a crap. Here in the good old U you enjoy some of the most lax licensing requirements my brain can handle without spontaneously hemorrhaging 🙂

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uhhh, as far as I know, and can find, almost all countries gives a D.O. full right to practice

 

[deleted103644]

uhhh, as far as I know, and can find, almost all countries gives a D.O. full right to practice

http://www.healthprofessionals.gov.... Registrable Basic Medical Qualifications.pdf

Board certification can count too, but none of the osteopathic societies are recognized.

 

[SpecterGT260]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteopathic_medicine_in_the_United_States#International_practice_rights

and Jonathan.... stop changing your avatar. I cant keep up!

 

[SpecterGT260]

uhhh, as far as I know, and can find, almost all countries gives a D.O. full right to practice

you didn't look very hard.....

 

[zoner]

I shadowed a DO plastic surgeon. And now, there are two in his office. And in a city of 500k people with 6 other plastic surgeons. Pretty good odds if you ask me.

not that i want to become one, but I never heard of that before considering that plastic residency is extremely competitive to get into. was it in the east coast?

 

[zoner]

Only bad thing about being a DO is the idiot Americans who think only MDs are doctors.

Not that I disagree with above,

well, its not completely their fault. look at the wording.

MD = medical doctor

DO = doctor of basically bone

Of course anybody who knows what "osteo" means is going to get confused and think less of DO.

And also the fact that most of MD schools are right in the center of cities and almost all DO schools are at least 30 miles outside of major cities or in small cities.

And MD schools get huge research money and get papers published etc. etc.... They are what they are for reasons.

 

[deleted103644]

Not that I disagree with above,

well, its not completely their fault. look at the wording.

MD = medical doctor

DO = doctor of basically bone

Of course anybody who knows what "osteo" means is going to get confused and think less of DO.

And also the fact that most of MD schools are right in the center of cities and almost all DO schools are at least 30 miles outside of major cities or in small cities.

And MD schools get huge research money and get papers published etc. etc.... They are what they are for reasons.

Also anyone who knows what DOs used to be.

 

[zoner]

the problem here is that the chiropractors (and I believe DNPs) have earned the legal right, as established in a court somewhere..... would have to look it up, to use the term "doctor" do describe themselves. Here is an example of a term lending credibility to alternative practices. I say we forgo "doctor" all together and go by "physician". At least that one is still ours for the time being.

I concur, considering that my previous art history/theory bs prof was called Dr. _____

 

[Mokthraka]

And it is still used places like these forums to give equal weighting to ridiculous doctrines like homeopathy and (yes) osteopathy.

what the hell is your problem with D.O.'s? seriously, you always talk so much crap about them.

 

[SpecterGT260]

what the hell is your problem with D.O.'s? seriously, you always talk so much crap about them.

He usually explains his problem pretty explicitly during these "crap talking" sessions

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[Mokthraka]

He usually explains his problem pretty explicitly during these "crap talking" sessions

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not from what I said

When I asked if a D.O. would have fewer chances is Pediatrics his response was "yes" in the entire thread he had just talked **** and said D.O.'s had less chances then FMG's and IMGS

if you dont like D.O.'s why come to a forum specificly for them? It would be like if I hated fishing, and always posted on a fishing forum about how much it sucked and that crabbing is soooooooo much better.

 

[SpecterGT260]

not from what I said

When I asked if a D.O. would have fewer chances is Pediatrics his response was "yes" in the entire thread he had just talked **** and said D.O.'s had less chances then FMG's and IMGS

if you dont like D.O.'s why come to a forum specificly for them? It would be like if I hated fishing, and always posted on a fishing forum about how much it sucked and that crabbing is soooooooo much better.

So saying something has a lower chance than something else is talking "****"? Interesting.....

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[Mokthraka]

No. But giving no reason and coming to the DO forum just to talk bad about it is.

 

[HalfListic]

No. But giving no reason and coming to the DO forum just to talk bad about it is.

I'd say just ignore it...word on the street, JohnnyD was abused by a DO when he was younger. Only time can heal his wounds...

 

[deleted103644]

He usually explains his problem pretty explicitly during these "crap talking" sessions

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Yes, but it gets boring.

Self-congratulatory half-hearted attempts at rationalization of the DO degree like this thread are just the background whine of SDN. There are so many of them, if I check "Unread" posts on the iPhone one inevitably pops up.

To sum it up: I have nothing against DOs. They can be fine physicians. The distinguishing features of the DO degree and the AOA in general are BS, however.

Osteopathic manipulation belongs in the waste bin of history along with homeopathy (and the term "allopathic" for normal medicine).

 

[SpecterGT260]

The father of ostepathic medicine, Andrew Taylor Still, was actually an allopathic physician.

So was mengele. This point neither supports nor contradicts your position.

 

[SpecterGT260]

How exactly is osteopathic medicine homeopathic? 😕

It isn't.... you misunderstood him

 

[SpecterGT260]

Bone doctors are Orthopedists not osteopaths. Does not surprise me though that you confuse osteo with ortho. Americans are very poorly educated.

Once again you misunderstood. It was clear that this poster was aware of the point you are making here. Don't knock Americans when your reading comprehension is so poor 😉

 

[HalfListic]

Bone doctors are Orthopedists not osteopaths. Unless, of course, the osteopathic physician does a residency or fellowship in orthopedics. Does not surprise me though that you confuse osteo with ortho. Americans are very poorly educated.

Its people like you who make it hard to argue for DO's.

You are like the Westburo Baptist of DOs...stop misinterpreting everything everyone writes, and throwing out lame insults.


And dont mess with Texas...or America 😎

 

[NonTraditional3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteopathic_medicine_in_the_United_States#International_practice_rights

and Jonathan.... stop changing your avatar. I cant keep up!

LMAO, Svalbard, according to this map, only grants manipulation rights?

 

[SpecterGT260]

I did not use it to support any position.

I believe that is what I said 😉
This is a discussion forum, not "Osteopathic Trivia Tuesdays". If you present information we are forced to assume that you did so for a reason. Otherwise you are wasting our time as well as your own.

I'm not the one resorting to ad hominem type attacks.

That was not an ad hominem. for the love of [insert politically correct deity here] learn what an ad hominem is because this is the single most abused concept on SDN. This has been a public service announcement.

 

[SpecterGT260]

Then please, by all means, tell me how he did not equate osteopathic medicine with the speciality of orthopedics. He did, after all, state, "DO = doctor of basically bone"

He was describing the common perception of DOs, which is, in many cases, a confusion with "bone doctor". This is why I said " It was clear that this poster was aware of the point you are making here" - basically, HIS post was a more eloquent way of stating your post. You just didn't understand his post so you opted to attempt to explain something that was blatantly apparent to the rest of us. 👍 Hope I helped. Stop trolling and learn to use the multi-quote function.

and in case you were unaware:
http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=4674
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ortho-

"ortho" does not refer to bone. The fact that orthopedists routinely work on bone is coincidental to the meaning of the term. hang in there kiddo, you may learn somethin yet 😉

 

[SpecterGT260]

Nowhere in his post did he specifically state that.

Right, that is why I questioned your reading comprehension. It took me explicitly telling you - holding your hand through it, if you will.

 

[SpecterGT260]

I did not state it does. Go back and read my post. I specifically said, "orthopedics" not ortho.

and since orthopedics utilizes the root "ortho" meaning "to correct", and "pedics" technically relates to the feet, we are still not at "bone doctor" for orthopedics regardless of the technicality you want to use, based on the underlined I am pretty sure you cannot wiggle out of this one 😉

 

[MedPR]

Bone doctors are orthopedists not osteopaths. Does not surprise me though that you confuse osteopaths with orthopedists. Americans are very poorly educated.

Rheumatologists deal with bones. So do chiropractors. So "Bone doctors are orthopedists" is absolutely incorrect.

 

[SpecterGT260]

That map is wrong because licensing recognition and acceptance is still pending in Prince Edward Island and Saskatchewan.

This explains the americans comment..... druggeek?!? Is that you!????

 

[SpecterGT260]

Rheumatologists deal with bones. So do chiropractors. So "Bone doctors are orthopedists" is absolutely incorrect.

be silent you uneducated american! You cannot possibly hope to compete with his superior canadian intelligence.

 

[SpecterGT260]

And just when I thought this night was getting boring. Time to go crack another brewski

 

[SpecterGT260]

If you only went after my argument then you would have a valid point. You however, did not.

This makes nearly no sense..... wanna try again?

 

[MedPR]

be silent you uneducated american! You cannot possibly hope to compete with his superior canadian intelligence.

Canadian? I thought he was an SGU hopeful.

 

[HalfListic]

be silent you uneducated american! You cannot possibly hope to compete with his superior canadian intelligence.

wait...he's Canadian?

Shouldn't he be polite and have apologized by now??


Take off ya hoser!


😉

 

[MedPR]

Bone doctors are orthopedists not osteopaths. Does not surprise me though that you confuse osteopaths with orthopedists. Americans are very poorly educated.

So, your only method of debunking my position is to belittle me?

You're the one who implied you were of superior intelligence.

I agree.

Not exactly applicable, but close enough.

 

[SpecterGT260]

So, your only method of debunking my position is to belittle me?

no. I already debunked your position. The belittlement is just to entertain myself until this train-wreck of a thread gets the lock down 👍 By ignoring my prior posts which directly address your arguments you set up what is called a "straw man" argument. If you would like, I could go back and quote the posts from both you and myself to give them some context for you 🙂 I'm here to help, honest

 

[HalfListic]

We should encourage and help anyone wanting to become a physician regardless of whether they want to be an MD or DO. 🙂

But, if they're American...all bets are off!

 

[NonTraditional3]

Canadian? I thought he was an SGU hopeful.

I just met you....and this is crazy...

 

[SpecterGT260]

How could you do that when you do not even know what my position is?

by doing so point-by-point. You state that orthopods are bone doctors. This is A position. Is it your all-encompassing position? No idea, but it is a position

So far we have only addressed a couple of things, you are just sticking to your guns so it drags on. I do find your debate style amusing though. circular logic, deniability, and when all else fails - cry ad hominem you crafty canadians!

 

[NonTraditional3]

How could you do that when you do not even know what my position is?

He short circuited the mains to the building. lol

 

[SpecterGT260]

But, if they're American...all bets are off!

I would say that some behaviors demonstrated in this thread have indicated that not everyone should be encouraged to become a doctor. Some people should rather be encouraged to serve up ready-to-order poutine 😉

 

[HalfListic]

I would say that some behaviors demonstrated in this thread have indicated that not everyone should be encouraged to become a doctor. Some people should rather be encouraged to serve up ready-to-order poutine 😉

Mmmmm, poutine with a side of maple syrup...

 

[SpecterGT260]

Mmmmm, poutine with a side of maple syrup...

is it weird that my subconscious always reads your screenname as "HalfLing" like in LOTR so I just assume your avatar is a hobbit? I feel like that might be weird.....

 

[deleted103644]

Mmmmm, poutine with a side of maple syrup...

What is poutine? Sounds like a solvent to me.

 

[SpecterGT260]

What is poutine? Sounds like a solvent to me.

http://bit.ly/u8YVBf

 

[MedPR]

Poutine is delicious without the cheese.