Why I Wouldn't Change My Degree

[Ifellinapothole]

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Regarding that obnoxious other thread.....

now, I am no raving osteopath, but would like to say a few things (admittedly I am a humble first year):

1) osteopathy has given you the opportunity to become physicians. You should all get on your knees and thank it. Were this not the case, most of you would be considering an extra year to retake MCAT or going abroad to study medicine.

2) The AMA considers osteopaths equivalent in the way they view the profession. Thus for all intents and purposes we are the same. The truth is that the public has no idea what the hell we are, but w/ increasing numbers this is likely to change and if not it will be like it always has been that once you are in practice no one knows the difference- not even your colleagues unless you make it a point to point it out to them.

3) Lower back pain, cervical neck pain, shoulder, knee problems, and headaches are among the most common complaints of any kind in medicine. Wonderful if you learn some techniques that benefit the patient right there on the spot without the patient having to wait to go see a PT person or to go fill a prescription.

Amen.

I fell

 

[ihateresearch]

Regarding that obnoxious other thread.....

now, I am no raving osteopath, but would like to say a few things (admittedly I am a humble first year):

1) osteopathy has given you the opportunity to become physicians. You should all get on your knees and thank it. Were this not the case, most of you would be considering an extra year to retake MCAT or going abroad to study medicine.

2) The AMA considers osteopaths equivalent in the way they view the profession. Thus for all intents and purposes we are the same. The truth is that the public has no idea what the hell we are, but w/ increasing numbers this is likely to change and if not it will be like it always has been that once you are in practice no one knows the difference- not even your colleagues unless you make it a point to point it out to them.

3) Lower back pain, cervical neck pain, shoulder, knee problems, and headaches are among the most common complaints of any kind in medicine. Wonderful if you learn some techniques that benefit the patient right there on the spot without the patient having to wait to go see a PT person or to go fill a prescription.

Amen.

I fell

Thank you.

 

[(nicedream)]

1) osteopathy has given you the opportunity to become physicians. You should all get on your knees and thank it. Were this not the case, most of you would be considering an extra year to retake MCAT or going abroad to study medicine.

So you are saying that DO school is the consolation prize in applying to medschool? You're only reinforcing the image of it as a fallback.

 

[Ifellinapothole]

So you are saying that DO school is the consolation prize in applying to medschool? You're only reinforcing the image of it as a fallback.

It is a fallback because of perception by the public- of which you are a part. That is, until you begin your education and then you should realize you are getting a solid education and thus that you have nothing to be ashamed of.

In other words, the perception of osteopathy is what needs to change, not the quality of education.

 

[DrKeys]

Totally Agree!, Great Post, Good job OP

 

[(nicedream)]

It is a fallback because of perception by the public- of which you are a part. That is, until you begin your education and then you should realize you are getting a solid education and thus that you have nothing to be ashamed of.

In other words, the perception of osteopathy is what needs to change, not the quality of education.

Fair enough, but this statement certainly makes it sound like osteopathic students are those that could not get into allopathic schools:

"osteopathy has given you the opportunity to become physicians. You should all get on your knees and thank it. Were this not the case, most of you would be considering an extra year to retake MCAT or going abroad to study medicine."

 

[Koil Gugliemi]

interesting that one never sees these types of threads on the allo boards...

You guys have this inferiority complex thing going, nobody proposes an "allopathic philosophy" or that our training is "the same but different" or "if you don't love giving people drugs you must be ashamed of your allopathic roots".

You're a DO, you went to DO school, get over it already.

 

[Ifellinapothole]

interesting that one never sees these types of threads on the allo boards...

You guys have this inferiority complex thing going, nobody proposes an "allopathic philosophy" or that our training is "the same but different" or "if you don't love giving people drugs you must be ashamed of your allopathic roots".

You're a DO, you went to DO school, get over it already.

I agree w/ you to an extent, but it is important to realize why this inferiority complex exists.

1) The public, often including our relatives, think we are suped up chiropractors so we face a lot of justifying.

2) Osteopaths believe in drugs today as much as allopaths. It was back in the days of the civil war when 90% of drugs were worse for the patient than the disease that the distrust of drugs existed.

3) I agree w/ you that you should get over it already, but I find it sad that so many students even after attending DO schools would give up their credentials unless that thread is skewed by pre-meds voting.

 

[Ifellinapothole]

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[CoverMe]

interesting that one never sees these types of threads on the allo boards...

You guys have this inferiority complex thing going, nobody proposes an "allopathic philosophy" or that our training is "the same but different" or "if you don't love giving people drugs you must be ashamed of your allopathic roots".

You're a DO, you went to DO school, get over it already.

ABSOLUTELY.

The only place this is a big deal, is right here on good ol' SDN. yawn. it's a bore. Makes it easy to not spend much time here.

I don't care why people want or don't want a specific degree... especially since they're probably basing their opinions on the microcosm of opinion here in la-la SDN land.

Ifellina... i get why you posted, but it sounds totally like an inferiority complex. Whether you meant it that way, thought about it that way, or believe it that way, that's the way it sounds, and that's the way people are going to take it.

 

[fuegorama]

The truth is that the public has no idea what the hell we are

With this line you bolster many of the points made in the initial thread.




The other part of this quote is yet another reason to change the degree name. The unsupported, rampant growth of new programs, is a great reason for us to move away from the current identifier.
Without adequate accreditation oversight, the DO title has been cheapened.

 

[fuegorama]

While I'm sprayin'-
The DO degree I signed on for is no booby prize. Don't make it out to be one. As the other posters correctly illustrated, it smacks of insecurity. Shame on ya!

 

[CoverMe]

While I'm sprayin'-
The DO degree I signed on for is no booby prize. Don't make it out to be one. As the other posters correctly illustrated, it smacks of insecurity. Shame on ya!

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[UserNameNeeded]

1) osteopathy has given you the opportunity to become physicians. You should all get on your knees and thank it. Were this not the case, most of you would be considering an extra year to retake MCAT or going abroad to study medicine.

You should speak for yourself on that one.

While I agree with the spirit of most of your post, I strongly disagree with the perception that all osteopathic students were allopathic rejects and need to be grateful that some osteopathic school gave them a chance. Perpetuating that line of thinking is a disservice and even undermines your point #2 to a degree!

 

[scpod]

I strongly disagree with the perception that all osteopathic students were allopathic rejects and need to be grateful that some osteopathic school gave them a chance.

Nobody said all. I believe the word used was most, and I'd venture a guess that 50% or more of the students in DO schools are there because they were rejected by MD schools.

The post was obviously directed at those who continue to complain about being an osteopathic student. They never wanted to be there in the first place and they are vocal about it. I think that Ifellinapothole just wanted them to shut up for a change. I wholeheartedly agree.

If more students knew about osteopathy before the became pre-meds, then a lot of things would change. My pre-med advisor didn't even know about DO schools until I told him about them. He said, "Oh yeah. I've gotten some brochures in the mail about them, but I didn't really pay any attention to them." In my state, the two MD schools have had a monopoly on med students for a hundred years-- you either went to one or the other or taught middle-school Biology for the rest of your life. Now that my my pre-med advisor is a little more well informed, there will be several students from my alma mater filling out AACOMAS applications this year.

 

[UserNameNeeded]

He didn't say "some of you." And I really don't think those people who are grateful about being able to become doctors after being rejected by some allopathic schools are the ones starting most of the threads complaining about being osteopathic students. They're probably the ones who are sitting quietly on the sidelines.

Plus, I really have a hard time believing "that 50% or more" osteopathic students failed to get into any allopathic schools when there are many osteopathic schools that are better (more selective?) than a lot of allopathic schools.

 

[bth7]

So many continue to see osteopathic principles as a barrier between DO's and MD's. They are spoken of as some precious, sentimentalized set of ideals that we should worship and protect from being watered-down by the evil MD's. I see this attitude propagated again and again by DO students and docs who are angry and frustrated by a world they are convinced is hostile towards them.

There are many, many MD's that believe in the exact same principles that osteopathy is based upon.

Our principles were not created to give us a certain image, to set us apart, or to create some kind of "osteopathic brand" that insurance companies and Middle America will buy. They were created to be applied to patient care.

What has hurt osteopathy so much is the continuing insistence that to be a "true" osteopath one must create some kind of wall between oneself and allopathic docs. We need to tear down this wall and start being leaders in the medical field, not trying to stand apart from it.

It's time to put this debate to rest in the 1900's where it belongs. Let's start viewing ourselves as what we are, part of the same team as allopaths, nurses, surgeons, dentists, acupuncturists, physical therapists, EMT's, nutritionists, and so forth. We all share the same purpose: helping people get well. We will work side by side allopaths our whole practice lives. With our osteopathic training, we are an invaluable part of that team.

Why do we spin again and again down this same philosophical vortex, satisfied by our own self-defined superiority, or whining at the difficulties of being the minority? Why do so many speak of police-ing ourselves to rid ourselves of the non-believers? Why would we continue this adolescent turf-war for another 100 years?

 

[DireWolf]

Plus, I really have a hard time believing "that 50% or more" osteopathic students failed to get into any allopathic schools when there are many osteopathic schools that are better (more selective?) than a lot of allopathic schools.

I'd say the number is closer to 80%.

 

[Buckeye(OH)]

I'd say the number is closer to 80%.

Yeah, not to mention the majority of people that got denied by an MD school likely won't admit that osteopathy was a fall back.

 

[Ifellinapothole]

Yeah, not to mention the majority of people that got denied by an MD school likely won't admit that osteopathy was a fall back.

I agree that the number is probably around 80 if not 90%.

But so what? that is my point.

The majority of people who are at Mt. Sinai got rejected from Columbia.

The majority of people at Temple got rejected from Mt. Sinai. etc. etc.

Yet, there exists no stigma against the person at Temple.

Yet, the person who got rejected from Temple and went D.O. is looked down upon- on SDN which really counts for very little in the real world.


It's all bull****. You will be a good doctor and do good by your patients if you want to. An osteopathic school gives you the tools to excel the same as any allopathic school.

From all the people I know in my class at NYCOM, i'd say 2 i have spoken to chose DO as a first choice. In hindsight, I have respect for them. They were better informed than I and knew what they wanted.

 

[jawicobike]

There seems to be three major groups of DO students:

group 1: diehard DO

group 2: wannabe MD

group 3: those students who are happy with their education and degree, but have issues with the nuances within the profession, ie. ignorance, dual match, inconsistent boards, and exclusive leadership to name a few.

I have found that the majority of students fall into group 3 and yet on these forums there is no tolerance for that student (quite the opposite of the attitude in the real world). Sorry to say but the students that fit in group 3 are the ones who have historically effected change within the osteopathic community and the nation.

I'm not embarassed to be a DO student. I have no inferiority complex. I have even found a little value in OMT, but to agree with all that was said by the op would be like saying that Bush is the greatest president this country has ever seen (from the view of either political party)! Apparently I missed the line for the rose colored glasses.




maybe I'll start another one of those obnoxious polls........ I think the last one might be worthy of my CV.

 

[fuegorama]

An osteopathic school gives you the tools to excel the same as any allopathic school.

This is where you are wrong over and over.
1. The MD opens doors that are closed to DOs. It's a crummy reality. Stupid? Yep. Unfair? Maybe. But it is a fact. Try rotating in EM at Vandy.
Don't give me the "but there are other opportunities" song. They can't come close.

2. The clerkship experience being sold by the new kidz is not the equivalent of allo training with dedicated centers. They're not even playing the same sport, much less in "the same" league.

3. The DO is a degree that entitles the holder to training and hopeful practice as a physician. That's it. For many of us that is enough. But, it will always be a question mark on your career until;
a. The AOA devises a means to wise up and admit that we are an equal and effective physician force that the rest of the country will immediately recognize and embrace. This message might look like "DOs practice the same medicine as your familiar MD. We also have some musculoskeletal traing that 15% of us use. Please come see us. We want to help. Sorry for the vowel in our name. We are not sure why it is there either."

or

b. The body of former and future DOs/students wise up, side step the AOA, and aquire a degree that the world recognizes. MD-O anyone?

 

[homeboy]

There seems to be three major groups of DO students:

group 1: diehard DO

group 2: wannabe MD

group 3: those students who are happy with their education and degree, but have issues with the nuances within the profession, ie. ignorance, dual match, inconsistent boards, and exclusive leadership to name a few.

I have found that the majority of students fall into group 3 and yet on these forums there is no tolerance for that student (quite the opposite of the attitude in the real world). Sorry to say but the students that fit in group 3 are the ones who have historically effected change within the osteopathic community and the nation.

maybe I'll start another one of those obnoxious polls........ I think the last
one might be worthy of my CV.

Good post. I agree, and it seems the people who fit into category 3 are labeled as category 2ers merely for raising concerns...unfortunately, the ones in group 1 are the ones running the AOA.

 

[Sirius Black]

What has hurt osteopathy so much is the continuing insistence that to be a "true" osteopath one must create some kind of wall between oneself and allopathic docs. We need to tear down this wall and start being leaders in the medical field, not trying to stand apart from it.

If this "wall" does not exist, then nothing separates a DO from MD, except the unfortunate fact that DO schools are easier to get into. The major problem is that at some point in time MDs learned to "follow suit" and adapt the osteopathic philosophy, leaving DOs with not much more than OMT as their distinction. It's almost as if this is a turning point, where either MDs and DOs realize that they are the same and the decide upon a common degree, or that DOs find a new way to distinguish themselves from MDs.

 

[Koil Gugliemi]

or that DOs find a new way to distinguish themselves from MDs.

I really don't get it. Could anyone explain why they feel the need to distinguish themselves from MDs? I (an MD) don't feel a need to distinguish myself from DOs...or MDs who take a different approach than I do, or MBBSs or whoever else is out there.

 

[the1doc]

I really don't get it. Could anyone explain why they feel the need to distinguish themselves from MDs? I (an MD) don't feel a need to distinguish myself from DOs...or MDs who take a different approach than I do, or MBBSs or whoever else is out there.

Congratulations! You've just asked the sixty-four thousand dollar question. The AOA and its apologists seem to be the only ones with the answer. The rest of us (aka the majority of osteopathic physicians and students) don't really care to distinguish ourselves.

 

[Sirius Black]

Could anyone explain why they feel the need to distinguish themselves from MDs?

Because if there is no real distinction, then what is the point of having 2 degrees that mean the exact same thing? It's just confusing and redundant.

 

[Taus]

Because if there is no real distinction, then what is the point of having 2 degrees that mean the exact same thing? It's just confusing and redundant.

no one seems to mind it in Dentistry...though the DDS's and DMD's don't have leaders who walk around and proclaim at every possible instance about how they are better then the other....while we're on the topic what about coke and pepsi....geez why don't they just merge...jk

 

[jawicobike]

no one seems to mind it in Dentistry...though the DDS's and DMD's don't have leaders who walk around and proclaim at every possible instance about how they are better then the other....while we're on the topic what about coke and pepsi....geez why don't they just merge...jk

That's blasphemy. Pepsi tastes great and has stimulating effects on my entire person whereas Coke just fixes the symptom of being tired.

 

[Taus]

but your pepsi didn't score as high on the MCAT...are you sure its still qualified to be a cola??? 😀

 

[dr_frog_2010]

but your pepsi didn't score as high on the MCAT...are you sure its still qualified to be a cola???

Does the MCAT really define how good of a cola you are going to be anyway?

 

[Taus]

Does the MCAT really define how good of a cola you are going to be anyway?

absolutely....b/c thats all that the thirsty people are really worried about....

alright...thats as far as I'm going w/ this...

 

[Dr. Ram-Rod]

Why I would change my degree:
1) So I don't have to explain why I'm the same as an MD.
2) SoI don't have to explain why I'm completely different than a chiro.
3) So I'm not associated with cranial manipulation.
4) To get away from the junk-science and non-evidence based portions of osteopathy.
5) To get about $20,000/year over 4 years back.

Why I wouldn't change my degree:
1) I don't have an inferiority complex. I'm becoming a doctor to help, not to gloat about how much I know or what 2 letters come after or before my name when I write it out completely.


I've skimmed most of this post, so forgive me if I'm repeating some of previous the posts' thoughts.

Why the line exists between MD & DO is three-fold. The first is the practice of OMT. The second is lower average GPA & MCAT scores upon admission. The third is the public's misunderstanding of DO vs. MD. Beyond that, I've found no solid difference as of yet. Despite having good credentials going into the application process, I applied ONLY to DO schools. I did this because I had never met a DO I didn't like and I felt I would have a more relaxed and less competative education. I was pretty much right about having a more relaxed and less competative education-- I'm not surrounded by gunners. Unfortunately, it turns out there are a few future DOs I'm not so fond of, but they are in limited number. As far as environment, I like the DO education I've received. A good portion of this education (aside from personal study) has come via the good-hearted people I've studied with... no gunners... everyone is there to help. I like that aspect about my schooling. What I don't like is the 5 things I listed up top and I'm not sure if being at a less competative MD school would be any different.

In terms of schooling, other than the money issue, I'm happy I went to a DO school.

When I'm graduating and about to accept my diploma, would I change my degree to say MD if they offered it to me? In a heartbeat. I would not even think about it. Here is why: The degree doesn't mean squat to me or most other folks in terms of prestige or what I can accomplish as a doctor. The degree does not speak my honest concern for the well-being of others. It is a piece of paper that allows me to legally follow through with what I consider my vocation. When I am in rotations, residency and practice I will define the type of doctor I am by my actions and treatments of others. The degree will speak nothing of me.. I probably won't hang it on the wall anyway. So if I can snap my fingers and have a degree that relieves me of the duty of explaining why I'm the same as an MD.. I might as well just be an MD. Hell, I'd take MDO. Don't get me wrong, I'm just as proud having DO there as well.

 

[Kuba]

I really don't get it. Could anyone explain why they feel the need to distinguish themselves from MDs? I (an MD) don't feel a need to distinguish myself from DOs...or MDs who take a different approach than I do, or MBBSs or whoever else is out there.

so the AOA higher ups can keep their jobs. If there was no difference then there would be no need for their positions and the AMA would reign.

 

[dynx]

The public, often including our relatives, think we are suped up chiropractors

Not really suped up, just different. Lets be fair to the chiropractors.

 

[DD214_DOC]

I don't know what there is to be ashamed of. Getting into an osteopathic school isn't exactly a piece of cake, and by, "lower GPA and MCAT" we are talking differences less than 0.2 of a point for GPA and maybe 3-4 points for the MCAT ON AVERAGE. Yeah, you can get into a DO school with barely a 3.0, but it isn't very common, just as you can get into an MD school with a 3.2, but it isn't very common.

I never really cared about the differences and, after a few weeks of class, realize that I'm too busy studying medicine to start caring.

 

[Krazykritter]

I love it when people dig up topics that have been dead for 5 months. Good work!

 

[jawicobike]

MCAT, GPA, I thought we were talking about Pepsi and Coke?

 

[medhacker]

When I'm graduating and about to accept my diploma, would I change my degree to say MD if they offered it to me? In a heartbeat. I would not even think about it.

There's this school in the caribb that will allow you to get an MD in short time (and after you pay the mula) if you have a DO. You can google it or search SDN I must have pointed out to at least three previous DO students who would change their degree with the quickness.

 

[jhug]

osteopathy has given you the opportunity to become physicians. You should all get on your knees and thank it

this is the same foolish lack of logic that the AOA will try and push on you...NO!
Osteopathy should be on ITS knees thanking ME for accepting IT...I chose to be a DO because i like the idea...little did i know we have no national representation (outside of the AMA), our "leaders" all have a HUGE self imposed, unexplainable, and unacceptable inferiority complex and the majority of our second year OMM was pure 100% quackery...I loved the title of this months DO magazine...looking to the past. THAT is the AOA's problem! For over 150 years that's all they've been doing-looking to the past! Once the AOA realizes that it's opening schools at a malignant rate, its post-graduate education is reprehensible, and that by being equals with our md colleagues we don't need to be unprofessional in trying to satisfy our own insecurity (ie:the treating people not just symptoms fatuity) we will be able to make real progress towards change...

 

[the1doc]

this is the same foolish lack of logic that the AOA will try and push on you...NO!
Osteopathy should be on ITS knees thanking ME for accepting IT...I chose to be a DO because i like the idea...little did i know we have no national representation (outside of the AMA), our "leaders" all have a HUGE self imposed, unexplainable, and unacceptable inferiority complex and the majority of our second year OMM was pure 100% quackery...I loved the title of this months DO magazine...looking to the past. THAT is the AOA's problem! For over 150 years that's all they've been doing-looking to the past! Once the AOA realizes that it's opening schools at a malignant rate, its post-graduate education is reprehensible, and that by being equals with our md colleagues we don't need to be unprofessional in trying to satisfy our own insecurity (ie:the treating people not just symptoms fatuity) we will be able to make real progress towards change...

i could not have said it better.

 

[Shinken]

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[RisingSun]

this is the same foolish lack of logic that the AOA will try and push on you...NO!
Osteopathy should be on ITS knees thanking ME for accepting IT...I chose to be a DO because i like the idea...little did i know we have no national representation (outside of the AMA), our "leaders" all have a HUGE self imposed, unexplainable, and unacceptable inferiority complex and the majority of our second year OMM was pure 100% quackery...I loved the title of this months DO magazine...looking to the past. THAT is the AOA's problem! For over 150 years that's all they've been doing-looking to the past! Once the AOA realizes that it's opening schools at a malignant rate, its post-graduate education is reprehensible, and that by being equals with our md colleagues we don't need to be unprofessional in trying to satisfy our own insecurity (ie:the treating people not just symptoms fatuity) we will be able to make real progress towards change...

This is exactly why I am worried about going to DO schools - the education seems to be excellent at all the schools, but the politics of the DO degree suck.

 

[MD/DO ALMOST]

I have been accepted into both MD and DO programs.... I do not have a stellar GPA, but I do have a good MCAT score- neither of which means a damn thing. I have interviews at places I never thought I would, and have been outright rejected from some schools I thought were a sure thing. I applied to both because I think it matters very little where I go, as long as I am happy there- it will be easier to get an education if I like where I am- and my patients will benefit from it in the future. Your medical education is what you make of it. Learning OMM does not mean you are bound to utilize it later on. I personally know some MD's in california that started out as DO's- in 1962 the AMA incorporated the DO's in California for a 'fee'. I never knew and never cared that this was the case until I asked for letters of rec. I don't think anyone else knows or cares either- we always called them doctor, and they were always excellent physicians. As a matter of fact, I just learned that my grandfathers cardiologist is a DO- never knew...... Maybe i'm just old, but if you care so much about what others think of your "title", it is possible you desire to study medicine for the wrong reasons.

 

[CV2MD]

I have been accepted into both MD and DO programs.... I do not have a stellar GPA, but I do have a good MCAT score- neither of which means a damn thing. I have interviews at places I never thought I would, and have been outright rejected from some schools I thought were a sure thing. I applied to both because I think it matters very little where I go, as long as I am happy there- it will be easier to get an education if I like where I am- and my patients will benefit from it in the future. Your medical education is what you make of it. Learning OMM does not mean you are bound to utilize it later on. I personally know some MD's in california that started out as DO's- in 1962 the AMA incorporated the DO's in California for a 'fee'. I never knew and never cared that this was the case until I asked for letters of rec. I don't think anyone else knows or cares either- we always called them doctor, and they were always excellent physicians. As a matter of fact, I just learned that my grandfathers cardiologist is a DO- never knew...... Maybe i'm just old, but if you care so much about what others think of your "title", it is possible you desire to study medicine for the wrong reasons.

I agree...MD & DO are both Physicians... Its like taking a Math class with 2 different teachers, they are probably going to teach you different ways to do the same Math Problem. MD/DO....Dermatologist/Ob-Gyn? Both Doctors to me...Its like University vs a college. Private, Public....But you still end up with a common factor....A Degree....I think people who care to put down any profession, especially one that takes so much school, time and self dedication just want to put down anyone, not just because that person is a DO, just because they are insecure of who they are. Same goes for a DO putting down a MD. God Forbid Im in a hospital, I can care less if they are a DO or an MD I just want the correct and loving treatment a Doctor should always give.

Gosh, I just dont see the BIG difference that other people see b/w MD & DO!! So what if they [DO] are easier to get into? That doesnt mean that the people are not going to get a Great Education, we all have to pass tests before we can move up...M1,M2 etc... So it really doesnt make a difference...

There went 5 min of studying time...

C

 

[ImNoSuperman]

C'mon people... who the hell really cares? All this does is take up space on SDN's servers. We are ALL going to be physicians when we get done, barring no one really screws up and gets kicked from their program. If the AOA was so concerned about "osteopathic distinctiveness" then DO's shouldn't be teaching MD's manipulative medicine. I understand the pride behind it all but all it does is drive a wedge between us and docs of the AMA persuasion. The AMA has really come along over the years in accepting DO's as being equal in all rights and now all some of us (osteopaths) are doing is saying thanks but *smack*, bitch. This is a waste of space and I could have been studying path.

 

[jawicobike]

All this does is take up space on SDN's servers.

Heaven forbid we use space on sdn for meaningless arguments. Can we get some moderators to get rid of these lowly DO/AOA complaint threads (the five threads that are left sure will be interesting)?

 

[Old_Mil]

this is the same foolish lack of logic that the AOA will try and push on you...NO!
Osteopathy should be on ITS knees thanking ME for accepting IT...I chose to be a DO because i like the idea...little did i know we have no national representation (outside of the AMA), our "leaders" all have a HUGE self imposed, unexplainable, and unacceptable inferiority complex and the majority of our second year OMM was pure 100% quackery...I loved the title of this months DO magazine...looking to the past. THAT is the AOA's problem! For over 150 years that's all they've been doing-looking to the past! Once the AOA realizes that it's opening schools at a malignant rate, its post-graduate education is reprehensible, and that by being equals with our md colleagues we don't need to be unprofessional in trying to satisfy our own insecurity (ie:the treating people not just symptoms fatuity) we will be able to make real progress towards change...

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[MD/DO ALMOST]

A good doctor is a good doctor- a bad one is bad- this is true in all professions- the medical profession is no different.... A truly intelligent physician - DO or MD- will make individual treatment decisions based upon the info available, regardless of allo or osteo training.