"Why is everyone out" Oxycodone Issue

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She came in to pick up her prescriptions, so there is no way that she is disabled or unable to work. If you are in that much pain and is unable to work, then you would not be able to pick up your own meds...you most likely need it delivered.

You're mistaken. There are plenty of people who are completely disabled and look perfectly normal and can function, as long as their pain is adequately controlled by medication. You cannot assess disability by appearance.

Every pharmacists that I have worked with have said something about their patients that is judgemental. Saying that you never judge anyone is like saying that you are perfect and never make any mistakes...and we all know how true that is. :laugh:

We all judge others. It's human nature. I judge people who have snotty attitudes or who think they are better than other people or that their **** doesn't stink. I judge people who neglect or abuse their children. I judge people who murder children. Hell, I judge people who are allegedly educated but have terrible spelling and/or grammar... But to be willing to dismiss someone you know nothing about as TRASH because they are poor or because of what medications they take? I think that's unbecoming for a health professional. We should try to be decent human beings, I think. JMO.
 
My evidence: in NYS: CII scripts are only good for 30 days. No refills or transfers for any controls. Over a 30 day supply needs special codes and medical reasons from docs. Can't call in any controlled meds unless it's a 5 day emergency supply and then you need to send a hard copy script to the pharmacy within 72 hours. No faxing controls.

That's what I mean by stricter laws. None of that applies for a BP med
The "best to have a policy and stick with it" was referring to the store policy regarding refills of narcotics.
I realize that's where professional judgment comes in, that's what I was talking about all along

Wrong. I ask for the evidence(s) of "EARLY REFILLS" of C's.
 
Professional Judgment.

If you think you are above the DEA because of Professional Judgment, you will be surely disappointed when they come knocking.

If I am badly misunderstanding your posts, I apoligize. At this point I have to think that I am just not understanding you correctly.
 
Fair enough.

You don't think the DEA believes that pharmacists should do more than blindly dispense CII's? I wouldn't even know where to cite something like this.

I didn't say that I agree with the DEA (I don't), only that it is my understanding they hold us to a higher standard than what your post suggests. This is based on what I have heard from my preceptors, as well as what I have read here.

You don't think the DEA believes that pharmacists should do more than blindly dispense CII's? Blindly???????? Where is Professional Judgement?

Myself above the DEA? Are you joking?
 
SORRY, but you aren't the police /law enforcement /DEA. It isn't your business to decide this. Also, isn't this discrimination if you ok to fill let say norvasc or asa early but not ok on the C's?

i agree with you that it's not our job, but the DEA does want us to be more vigilant. they hold us to higher standards, at least here in Florida they do...Agent came in and said we should be calling the physician on every CII script...Florida has a problem, so hed like for us to verify all rx's...
 
SORRY, but you aren't the police /law enforcement /DEA. It isn't your business to decide this. Also, isn't this discrimination if you ok to fill let say norvasc or asa early but not ok on the C's?

You don't think the DEA believes that pharmacists should do more than blindly dispense CII's? Blindly???????? Where is Professional Judgement?

Myself above the DEA? Are you joking?


Perhaps we are not on the same page. What does professional judgment mean if not the ability to decide this?
 
Wrong. I ask for the evidence(s) of "EARLY REFILLS" of C's.

Sorry, I misunderstood because my statement had 2 parts to it, I only answered 1.
In NYS you can't get early fills more than 7 days earlier than the life of a prescription. Meaning, you come in with a script for a 30 day supply of Lortab, you can't get a new script (equivalent of an early refill) filled until you have 7 days left of that med. Once you use up those 7 days then you need to get it filled ON TIME from that point on unless its a new med/strenth/frequency. Good enough for you? That's only for controls, so yes, it's certainly stricter for filling early
 
i agree with you that it's not our job, but the DEA does want us to be more vigilant. they hold us to higher standards, at least here in Florida they do...Agent came in and said we should be calling the physician on every CII script...Florida has a problem, so hed like for us to verify all rx's...

Sure. It's state-specific. But don't you get the feeling some future pharmds jump the gun too early?
 
Perhaps we are not on the same page. What does professional judgment mean if not the ability to decide this?

When you and/or your store set a policy on EARLY REFILLS, it's "BUSINESS" and it's not your business to decide.

It's different if it's the LAW.
 
Sorry, I misunderstood because my statement had 2 parts to it, I only answered 1.
In NYS you can't get early fills more than 7 days earlier than the life of a prescription. Meaning, you come in with a script for a 30 day supply of Lortab, you can't get a new script (equivalent of an early refill) filled until you have 7 days left of that med. Once you use up those 7 days then you need to get it filled ON TIME from that point on unless its a new med/strenth/frequency. Good enough for you? That's only for controls, so yes, it's certainly stricter for filling early

Thats state law, not DEA or federal...correct me if im wrong
 
When you and/or your store set a policy on EARLY REFILLS, it's "BUSINESS" and it's not your business to decide.

It's different if it's the LAW.

I agree. And as I said upthread, I don't think this is addressed in any FEDERAL drug law. It may be addressed in some state laws, but it is not addressed in my state. That doesn't stop pharmacists from telling patients that it's illegal or setting arbitrary store policies, etc.
 
When you and/or your store set a policy on EARLY REFILLS, it's "BUSINESS" and it's not your business to decide.

It's different if it's the LAW.


I feel like I am trying to decipher a riddle. It's BUSINESS to set policy, so that it's not your business to decide, except when it's the LAW because that is different. OK, got it. Thanks for clarifying.
 
Thats state law, not DEA or federal...correct me if im wrong

Yes you are right. I was just giving an example of stricter laws based on controlled substances.

Edit: clarification for kbv. All I was trying to get at with my original statement is that controls are stricter for a reason, which is why people have policies on them in the first place and why it's a bigger deal then other medications regarding refills and filling in general. I think as some point we started to misunderstand each other and got all turned around...
 
Sure. It's state-specific. But don't you get the feeling some future pharmds jump the gun too early?

Ive always thought that...No experience in the Hot seat, yet have all the answers...whatever...i use to argue, but i know what i need to know and how to practice...i always say you dont know what its like until you experience it...but the future Pharmd will soon learn quickly...
 
Ive always thought that...No experience in the Hot seat, yet have all the answers...whatever...i use to argue, but i know what i need to know and how to practice...i always say you dont know what its like until you experience it...but the future Pharmd will soon learn quickly...

I'm not quite sure what you guys mean by jumping the gun. I think we (or at least I) was talking about thing's we've seen at different pharmacies with different pharmacists. Obviously as an intern and not the SP for the day we don't actually make these final decisions so it doesn't really matter what we say we'd do. Talking about policy and law doesn't seem to imply in my opinion that I know exactly what I'm talking about, just discussing important situations I suppose.
 
I'm not quite sure what you guys mean by jumping the gun. I think we (or at least I) was talking about thing's we've seen at different pharmacies with different pharmacists. Obviously as an intern and not the SP for the day we don't actually make these final decisions so it doesn't really matter what we say we'd do. Talking about policy and law doesn't seem to imply in my opinion that I know exactly what I'm talking about, just discussing important situations I suppose.

i wasnt directly speaking of you...just in general...other than that, you have good points...
 
i wasnt directly speaking of you...just in general...other than that, you have good points...

I try...I rarely find things worth posting about, I just read a lot on this forum mostly :laugh:
 
She came in to pick up her prescriptions, so there is no way that she is disabled or unable to work. If you are in that much pain and is unable to work, then you would not be able to pick up your own meds...you most likely need it delivered.

Every pharmacists that I have worked with have said something about their patients that is judgemental. Saying that you never judge anyone is like saying that you are perfect and never make any mistakes...and we all know how true that is. :laugh:

I know plenty of people who are disabled and unable to work but are able to do basic errands. They can take a break in between tasks to recover.

On the same note of not judging patients, have you (not you specifically) ever heard of pseudo-addiction? Like when a patient's pain is not adequately controlled by their medications, so they try to fill early, take more than prescribed, and freak out when not able to get their medications when needed. Something to keep in mind when someone is in your pharmacy.
 
I know plenty of people who are disabled and unable to work but are able to do basic errands. They can take a break in between tasks to recover.

On the same note of not judging patients, have you (not you specifically) ever heard of pseudo-addiction? Like when a patient's pain is not adequately controlled by their medications, so they try to fill early, take more than prescribed, and freak out when not able to get their medications when needed. Something to keep in mind when someone is in your pharmacy.

Good point.
 
She came in to pick up her prescriptions, so there is no way that she is disabled or unable to work. If you are in that much pain and is unable to work, then you would not be able to pick up your own meds...you most likely need it delivered.

Every pharmacists that I have worked with have said something about their patients that is judgemental. Saying that you never judge anyone is like saying that you are perfect and never make any mistakes...and we all know how true that is. :laugh:

Maybe she's able to come in and pick up her meds because her pain is controlled? People can look very healthy and still be seriously ill.

After a while, you will get a very good reading on who's legitimate and who isn't, and believe me, you can't tell just by looking at them.
 
I don't think the DEA has any stance on Early Refills of controlled substances. I believe it's left to professional judgement.

That's absolutely correct.

Here's the difference between dependence and addiction. When a person is dependent on a drug, their quality of life goes up. When a person is addicted to a drug, their quality of life goes down.
 
i agree with you that it's not our job, but the DEA does want us to be more vigilant. they hold us to higher standards, at least here in Florida they do...Agent came in and said we should be calling the physician on every CII script...Florida has a problem, so hed like for us to verify all rx's...

Useless federal organization, right up there with the TSA. They had a budget of $2.6 billion last year.
 
You mean discrimination against C's? That's the worst kind of discrimination...

:laugh:

Hey, Cavemen are people too!!!!

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i agree with you that it's not our job, but the DEA does want us to be more vigilant. they hold us to higher standards, at least here in Florida they do...Agent came in and said we should be calling the physician on every CII script...Florida has a problem, so hed like for us to verify all rx's...
I agree DoctorM. The DEA has asked for our help. After all, we are the last step to these customers getting their supplies. I have recently interviewed with a couple independent pharmacies. They were both pain management pharmacies. Wow, what an eye-opener that was! One had a security guard at the entrance of the store and the other had the whole pharmacy area behind bulletproof glass. Now, if that doesn't reek of pill mill, I don't know what does. I am very anxious to get a new job, but I would never be able to live with myself if I allowed myself to be "part of the problem". I refuse to be a "legal" drug dealer. I have extreme compassion for patients with pain and know that many go undertreated. But, the ones I am speaking of are the "cash only" pill mills. These doctors are pathetic. Don't let yourself be brought down to their level. Turning a blind eye, only for profit, is a disgrace to our profession.
 
I agree DoctorM. The DEA has asked for our help. After all, we are the last step to these customers getting their supplies. I have recently interviewed with a couple independent pharmacies. They were both pain management pharmacies. Wow, what an eye-opener that was! One had a security guard at the entrance of the store and the other had the whole pharmacy area behind bulletproof glass. Now, if that doesn't reek of pill mill, I don't know what does. I am very anxious to get a new job, but I would never be able to live with myself if I allowed myself to be "part of the problem". I refuse to be a "legal" drug dealer. I have extreme compassion for patients with pain and know that many go undertreated. But, the ones I am speaking of are the "cash only" pill mills. These doctors are pathetic. Don't let yourself be brought down to their level. Turning a blind eye, only for profit, is a disgrace to our profession.

omg, no, we are not a pain management pharmacy. Never will be...dont have bulletproof glass either...Our business is 33% ALF, 50% retail and the rest narcs...as filling for Narcos, ive said it before, we have to be careful who we let in...Supply issues and with the DEA asking for help, we are very careful with who we fill for, Insurance or no insurance...Our ALF business is increasing, so we are shying away from the narcotics little by little...
 
omg, no, we are not a pain management pharmacy. Never will be...dont have bulletproof glass either...Our business is 33% ALF, 50% retail and the rest narcs...as filling for Narcos, ive said it before, we have to be careful who we let in...Supply issues and with the DEA asking for help, we are very careful with who we fill for, Insurance or no insurance...Our ALF business is increasing, so we are shying away from the narcotics little by little...
My apologies Doctor M - I was saying that I agree with you. The rest of my comment was not directed to you. I guess I did not word it well. I know you are not one of "those" pharmacies. I was just relaying info. I'd gathered on my recent job search. I also stopped by many independent pharmacies that told me to never work for so and so........ie- particular pill mill pharmacies in my area. The independent pharmacies I visited were very impressive and upstanding. I know you are definitely in this group of reputable pharmacies. Have a great turkey day!🙂
 
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These druggies and their Oxys :/

This is why you have "pre-pharmacy" as your status rather than Pharmacy Student or Pharmacist. Are you really that dense that you think oxycodone is only used by druggies and abusers?

Shame on you and shame on all of you for thinking that it's okay to refuse patient with a C-II. You are pharmacists and you want to cite your professional judgement? Are you kidding me? The doctor doesn't send you charts and x-rays so who are you to assume I'm a druggie? While it may be legal discrimination, it still pisses me off. I had major back surgery a couple of years ago and I was on oxycodone for a while. It really was the only way I could have functioned and I'm so thankful for it. I never shared it with friends or family and I never kept it in a location where people could see it or take something from it or sell it. Yet pharmacists would still come up to me and say "you know, there are places where you can get addiction help" or they would say "nice try, I'm not gonna fill this so take yourself somewhere else". I even had a pharmacist say "I saw you walking up here just fine"! Are you kidding me?! Like I'm some sort of child trying to get out of school.

I welcome the day when or if it becomes law that a pharmacy cannot refuse a valid and properly prescribed prescription. But this thread has really made blow a fuse. I'm a long time reader but first time poster. I'll go back to being just a reader.
 
This is why you have "pre-pharmacy" as your status rather than Pharmacy Student or Pharmacist. Are you really that dense that you think oxycodone is only used by druggies and abusers?

Shame on you and shame on all of you for thinking that it's okay to refuse patient with a C-II. You are pharmacists and you want to cite your professional judgement? Are you kidding me? The doctor doesn't send you charts and x-rays so who are you to assume I'm a druggie? While it may be legal discrimination, it still pisses me off. I had major back surgery a couple of years ago and I was on oxycodone for a while. It really was the only way I could have functioned and I'm so thankful for it. I never shared it with friends or family and I never kept it in a location where people could see it or take something from it or sell it. Yet pharmacists would still come up to me and say "you know, there are places where you can get addiction help" or they would say "nice try, I'm not gonna fill this so take yourself somewhere else". I even had a pharmacist say "I saw you walking up here just fine"! Are you kidding me?! Like I'm some sort of child trying to get out of school.

I welcome the day when or if it becomes law that a pharmacy cannot refuse a valid and properly prescribed prescription. But this thread has really made blow a fuse. I'm a long time reader but first time poster. I'll go back to being just a reader.

sorry to hear of your misfortune...but there is a problem with oxycodone, a major problem. and although i would like to help every patient that came in, i just cannot. As for judging people, it is sad...but i will say that when i practiced in Buffalo NY, i thought 60 tablets of percocet 5/325 was a lot...now here in florida, everyone gets 180-240 tablets of oxycodone 30, I mean everyone...so although you were a legitimate pain patient, we have to be diligent in preventing the diversion of the drug...That's what we've been asked to do, so thats what we do.
 
I had major back surgery a couple of years ago and I was on oxycodone for a while. It really was the only way I could have functioned and I'm so thankful for it.

Unfortunately, the problem with Oxycontin is so huge, as you have discovered, it ends up stigmatizing legitimate pain patients.

How huge is the opioid overuse problem? The United States, at 5% of the world's population, uses 80% of the world's opioid supply. And 99% of the world's hydrocodone supply. Sales of oxycodone and methadone jumped over 400% from the late 90s to the late 2000s.

One of the reasons I left retail was because I didn't feel like playing part-time narc. I've been screamed at and spat at for refusing to fill dodgy oxycontin scripts. One patient threw a bottle at me, injuring my hand. I figured, it's only a matter of time before there's a gun in my face.
 
It is great to see pharmacists discuss about this issue. I unfortunately live in south Florida so an Rx for oxy 30mg is always 180 tabs or more. Now assuming that you have time to call the doctors and verify all these prescriptions, how do you feel about:

1) Filling 240 oxys or more? ("well, patient is out of town for a while...")
2) Filling oxy 30 and oxy 15 at the same time ("oh, the 15mg is for breakthrough pain...")
3) Filling 180 oxys for the same patients every month (no early fillings). I have never seen any other groups of patients who take 180 of anything that religiously...

In Florida if you call these Drs up, the diagnosis always will be, lower back pain. Now forgive my ignorance, but as far as I know, there is no ceiling dose for opioids, but then is it an excuse for these doctors to write whatever quantity they want? It always beats me why some of these Florida doctors, who spent so much time and effort to acquire their professional status, will just go batsh*t when it comes to the C/S.

Please enlighten me. I am not saying that everybody is a drug addict. I do, however feel very uncomfortable at how loosely the whole thing is and how willing people are to "look the other way".
 
c.r.e.a.m.!

lol, "cash really eff-up all mankind"? j/k

what I don't get is, if a pt is getting 150 units of long acting insulin everyday, and you call the Dr, and he says it's ok, then you probably won't get in troubles if anything happens as long as you document, nor can you refuse to dispense the insulin at that point. What is the difference in the case of oxy?
 
if a pt is getting 150 units of long acting insulin everyday, and you call the Dr, and he says it's ok, then you probably won't get in troubles if anything happens as long as you document, nor can you refuse to dispense the insulin at that point. What is the difference in the case of oxy?

Bad trolling attempt. I award you 2 out of 10 points.

Oxycontin was designed for end-of-life cancer pain. If patients with full body cancer pain can get by with 2, maybe 3 oxycontin a day, why would an otherwise healthy person with a "lower back injury" need 300 a month?

And this is coming from someone who is sympathetic to those with back problems. My wife has had 2 series of epidural injections, and my mother has had a discectomy. I know that back injuries suck. But a back injury is no excuse to get addicted to pharmaceutical grade heroin.

In FL, we have a huge problem with the pill mills. Every 3rd or 4th car in my drive thru has the exact same 3 rx's:

Oxycontin 30mg #270 or 300
Xanax 2mg #90 or 120
Soma 350mg #150 or 180

These people are being prescribed very powerful drugs at and (sometimes WELL) above the maximum guidelines.

You don't know what it's like to drive past a mini mall with a "pain clinic" in it, that has armed guards, and you see license plates from Ohio, Michigan, Tennessee, Kentucky, and West Virginia, and you know that all of these people are here because your state is so lax in prescribing that almost anybody can get an rx for oxycontin down here.

These people know WAY more about their drugs than even a concerned patient would. They even know generic manufacturers. They'll want the Greenstone Alprazolam, the Mallinckrodt Oxycodone HCl, the Watson Hydrocodone-APAP, and the Barr Somas.*

*Disclaimer: I'm not sure if all these meds/generics match up right.
 
you mean 300 oxycodone a month or 300 oxycontin? b/c I think jail is unavoidable if you dispense 300 oxycontin a month for one person...

I really want to be more concerned about giving the right drug at the right dose for the right patients, than about what the oxy addicts do to get around the system. If they are addicts, however, I believe taking oxys probably won't even make them high, it just helps avoiding withdrawal syndrome.

But I do agree that 180 tablet (1 po q 4-6 hours) every month is B/S in most cases, and so I want to know if any pharmacists feel otherwise?

I believe pharmacy is the only business whereby selling more of something does make you feel uncomfortable.
 
you mean 300 oxycodone a month or 300 oxycontin? b/c I think jail is unavoidable if you dispense 300 oxycontin a month for one person...

I really want to be more concerned about giving the right drug at the right dose for the right patients, than about what the oxy addicts do to get around the system. If they are addicts, however, I believe taking oxys probably won't even make them high, it just helps avoiding withdrawal syndrome.

But I do agree that 180 tablet (1 po q 4-6 hours) every month is B/S in most cases, and so I want to know if any pharmacists feel otherwise?

I believe pharmacy is the only business whereby selling more of something does make you feel uncomfortable.

All of the likely fake scripts that come to our drop off window or drive-thru for opioid painkillers are for 30mg OxyCONTIN or 30mg Roxicodone, and all in quantities of #180+. Most common are #240, 270, or 300.

*Yes, it's typed on the script as OxyCONTIN, similar to the way a script might be typed as hyDROXYzine or hyDRALAzine in order to avoid confusion between sound-alike drugs.

My Pharmacist-In-Charge has 15+ years of experience, and I have learned a lot working with him. He does not pre-judge, but he does have a sharp eye out for fakes, and is hip to most scams.

Example: Just the other day, a lady dropped off a Vicodin script. She told me she no longer had rx insurance, so when I went to deactivate the insurance in her profile, my PIC said, "Try to run it with the insurance first. Sometimes, people will say they don't have insurance and offer to pay cash so that they can get early refills." As it turns out, she really didn't have insurance, and she was right on schedule for her refill. (As in, her last fill was a 5 day supply, and this was the 6th day).

Just as an experienced bank teller can tell a fake bill just by the feel of the paper because they handle money all day, my PIC can usually spot a fake script just because the paper or the printing don't seem right.

Another real issue in our store is inventory control. We are a small store with a fairly small narcotics safe. We can only maintain enough inventory for our regulars who get #30 and #60 of (usually 15mg oxycontin). If we were to actually FILL all those scripts for #300 oxy 30mg, (regardless of legality) we'd run out of our weekly supply on the first day.

I do wonder, though, why all the pain clinics prescribe the xanax/oxy/soma cocktail, and nothing else?

And it's always the 2mg xanax. And it HAS to be the bars, not the round ones. (So they can break the bars up in pieces and sell some off).

I went to a legit pain management doctor (trained as an anesthesiologist, his office was in a hospital) and he did a nerve block injection on me, and suggested that he might give me a rx for gabapentin in the future if the injection didn't bring me enough relief. At no point were opioids mentioned.
 
lol, "cash really eff-up all mankind"? j/k

what I don't get is, if a pt is getting 150 units of long acting insulin everyday, and you call the Dr, and he says it's ok, then you probably won't get in troubles if anything happens as long as you document, nor can you refuse to dispense the insulin at that point. What is the difference in the case of oxy?

You're a pharmacy student. When you get into practice, you will see some WEIRD stuff and you will get a feel for when something isn't right.

150 units of insulin a day is actually not that unusual, especially in a patient with insulin resistance.

I once saw a hospice patient who was on a morphine infusion of 200mg/hour. We ordered a buttload of large vials, placed it into bags, and it was infused "straight". Terminal patients are rarely on even 200mg/day.
 
Hi, thank you for your replies. I may be wrong, but I thought oxycontin was the extended release version of oxycodone, not interchangeable, the difference is like between metoprolol tartrate and metoprolol succinate?

And it is right, I am a student now so I have a lot to learn. I really want to know if you think being on 180 oxys every month is unusual? As of right now, I do feel that it is very difficult to justify even when everything is legitimate (as in, doctor confirmed). Thank you very much.
 
Hi, thank you for your replies. I may be wrong, but I thought oxycontin was the extended release version of oxycodone, not interchangeable, the difference is like between metoprolol tartrate and metoprolol succinate?

And it is right, I am a student now so I have a lot to learn. I really want to know if you think being on 180 oxys every month is unusual? As of right now, I do feel that it is very difficult to justify even when everything is legitimate (as in, doctor confirmed). Thank you very much.

My aunt who has lupus gets #540 of 10 mg instant release Oxycodone every 3 months and and #180 of 60 mg Oxycontin every 3 months. That's on top of all the steroids and other immunosuppressants, diuretics, and potassium supplements, and injections that she has to take.
 
I thought oxycontin was the extended release version of oxycodone.

In that, you are correct. Oxycontin = Oxycodone HCl = Extended Release.

The problem with the abusers is that they will crush, chew, snort, smoke, and inject these tablets, which are meant to be absorbed over 12-24 hours, and get the full blast of the drug all at once.

Purdue has altered the formula in the last few months to make the pill harder to crush, and also so it gets "gummy" when mixed with water, so it won't go up a syringe to be injected. But the abusers will find a way to get their fix no matter what obstacles are put in their way.

The "oxycontin express" video linked earlier in the thread has good footage of someone "smoking" oxy's. Watch how he holds the tablet against a piece of aluminum foil, then sets a lighter under it, and inhales the vapors given off by the tablet.
 
And it is right, I am a student now so I have a lot to learn. I really want to know if you think being on 180 oxys every month is unusual? As of right now, I do feel that it is very difficult to justify even when everything is legitimate (as in, doctor confirmed). Thank you very
much.

180 oxycontin would be unusual to me (unless there was some severe cancer pain, chronic pain, etc). 180 oxycodone wouldn't be that strange, but I probably would look at prescriptions cautiously if it wasn't a patient I knew.
 
The pharmacist can get in trouble for refusing to fill a legit prescription because of a blanket policy about CIIs. If you fill a forged or doctor shopping prescription, and got duped, you probably won't get in trouble. IMO, just fill it if you have it in stock, and let nature have its way when they OD and go into respiratory depression.

I hope your kid doesn't get killed by some drug addict driving while under influence of oxycodone that they filled at a pharmacy where the pharmacist will fill any legit looking rx for oxycodone 30mg #180, without questioning or verifying the rx.
 
In that, you are correct. Oxycontin = Oxycodone HCl = Extended Release.

The problem with the abusers is that they will crush, chew, snort, smoke, and inject these tablets, which are meant to be absorbed over 12-24 hours, and get the full blast of the drug all at once.

Purdue has altered the formula in the last few months to make the pill harder to crush, and also so it gets "gummy" when mixed with water, so it won't go up a syringe to be injected. But the abusers will find a way to get their fix no matter what obstacles are put in their way.

The "oxycontin express" video linked earlier in the thread has good footage of someone "smoking" oxy's. Watch how he holds the tablet against a piece of aluminum foil, then sets a lighter under it, and inhales the vapors given off by the tablet.

LOL it amazes me that people who are supposedly seeking a great time will go out of their way to decrease bioavailability.
 
I hope your kid doesn't get killed by some drug addict driving while under influence of oxycodone that they filled at a pharmacy where the pharmacist will fill any legit looking rx for oxycodone 30mg #180, without questioning or verifying the rx.

The pharmacist would have no responsibility in that scenario. A kid could just as easily be killed by a drunk driver. We are NOT the Vicodin/Percocet/Oxycontin,etc Police. You want me to fight against drug diversion and narcotic proliferation, give me a gun, some handcuffs, and a $60K increase in salary.
 
When I was in high school ca. 1980, long before I had any inkling that I wanted to be a pharmacist, I was part of a debate tournament that was ultimately won by two guys who defended a proposal to put ipecac in some tranquilizers and narcotics, so people who OD'd would throw it up and not die or anything.

BAAAAAAD IDEA! But it sure led to some entertaining conversations!
 
The pharmacist would have no responsibility in that scenario. A kid could just as easily be killed by a drunk driver. We are NOT the Vicodin/Percocet/Oxycontin,etc Police. You want me to fight against drug diversion and narcotic proliferation, give me a gun, some handcuffs, and a $60K increase in salary.

No one is talking about being the police or putting up a fight. All that is being mentioned is passing up filling an rx that is not up to par in one way or another.
 
When unknown people called me, and I asked me to see if I had CIIs in stock, the answer was no. However, we can't do that anymore due to the "mystery CII calls program" my district office is enforcing. They randomly call stores and ask you "do you have Oxycontin 80mg in stock" and if you say no, they check your inventory and if you lied, they call you back and you get a verbal warning.

So now when people call me, I don't know if it's a crackhead or someone from the district office... They even sent an email saying "if they call you, the answer is "YES" because the majority of these prescriptions are legitimate and we can't turn business away...
 
When unknown people called me, and I asked me to see if I had CIIs in stock, the answer was no. However, we can't do that anymore due to the "mystery CII calls program" my district office is enforcing. They randomly call stores and ask you "do you have Oxycontin 80mg in stock" and if you say no, they check your inventory and if you lied, they call you back and you get a verbal warning.

So now when people call me, I don't know if it's a crackhead or someone from the district office... They even sent an email saying "if they call you, the answer is "YES" because the majority of these prescriptions are legitimate and we can't turn business away...

What would happen to graveyard pharmacists if they said "yes" thus compromising their safety and if they said "no" thus they check your inventory and if you lied, they call you back and you get a verbal warning?

At which company are you working?
 
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