Why MD's and DO's do not consider Dentists as doctors???

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alright let's all just stfu and kill this thread already.
I thought dentists are trying to save lives?

Historically, lay people call physicians doctors, even though the term has always referred to anybody with a doctorate degree. Recently, there's been controversy when people in other health professions that gain a doctorate degree and whether they're considered doctors or not. For instance, this NYTimes article discusses whether it's okay for nurses who have gone on and earned a doctorate degree in nursing introduce themselves as Dr. ___.

Dentists, however, have always had a doctorate degree, so we should be called doctors.
Interesting article.

I'm way too ignorant about the DNP degree, let alone nursing, to make such a comment, but the last sentence of the article made me laugh a little...

“Nurses are very proud of the fact that they’re nurses, and if nurses had wanted to be doctors, they would have gone to medical school.”
 
I saw this on the forums frontpage or I wouldn't be posting...

I'm a medical student, you're a dental student. I'll be a physician, you'll be a dentist. Doctor is bestowed on both of us. We have doctorate degrees. You do teeth/MFS/oral stuff. I do body stuff. I can't cross into your realm. You can't cross into mine. We don't have the same expertise. We are both professionals. I respect you. You respect me.

We can co-exist. Doctor is just semantics.
 
I saw this on the forums frontpage or I wouldn't be posting...

I'm a medical student, you're a dental student. I'll be a physician, you'll be a dentist. Doctor is bestowed on both of us. We have doctorate degrees. You do teeth/MFS/oral stuff. I do body stuff. I can't cross into your realm. You can't cross into mine. We don't have the same expertise. We are both professionals. I respect you. You respect me.

We can co-exist. Doctor is just semantics.

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Technically, the term 'doctor' is latin for 'teacher;' therefore, I'd imagine that professors are most apt to be described as 'doctors.'

For some reason or another, dentists have been traditionally segregated from physicians. However, I believe that dentists are working to close this gap. The most notable example of this is the recent awarding of 'Doctor of Dental Medicine (DMD)' degree instead of the traditional 'Doctor of Dental Surgery (DDS)' degree. Is there much medicine in Dentistry? Well, if you consider antibiotics and pain killers to be 'much' medicine, the answer is yes. However, it is primarily a surgical field, and therefore I feel like the DDS degree is far more appropriate than a DMD degree.

As dentalWorks stated, physicians have a much greater degree of training in terms of the overall body than do dentists, especially at schools that do not combine the DDS and MD students during the first two years. This difference merely reflects differences in the scope of board exams. Also, during year 2, dental students spend more time doing lab work, whereas medical students are taking courses in genetics and embryology.

Overall, medicine and dentistry are two completely different fields. I believe that clinical medicine is more intellectually demanding than clinical dentistry, but that dentistry is more manually demanding than many fields of medicine. I also believe that medicine is more rewarding emotionally, but dentistry is more rewarding financially.

Really we are just going to let this DMD thing slip?

We all know it is because Harvard degrees have to be in latin so that is the DDS equiv in latin homes. Not nonthing no different. Its not a Doctor of Dental Medicine its "Dentariae Medicinae Doctorae" because it fit the DDS mold more closely than "Chirurgae Dentium Doctoris" or CDD (which would be the direct latin translation of DDS). The whole DMD vs DDS thing is NOT dentists trying to close a medical gap...

Oh its not recent... The first DMD was awarded by Harvard in 1870
 
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Stumbled across this thread because the "MD's and DO's" part of the title caught my eye on the main SDN page.

There are a few black pearls getting passed out around here. First of all, residents don't work 10 times harder than attendings. If that was ever true, then it's been erased by ACGME work hour restrictions. I work appreciably harder as an attending than I did as a resident, even though I work at a teaching program, and I'm not an outlier. Secondly, ENTs are perfectly capable of handling facial trauma. In fact, at my medical school - a large university level I trauma center - facial trauma call rotated between OMFS, ENT, and ophthalmology. I'm not suggesting that OMFS isn't critical; it is, but let's not act like physicians are completely helpless when someone fractures their jaw. Besides, half of the OMFS surgeons I know are both MDs and DDSs.

As others have said, "doctor" is a title. "Physician" or "dentist" is a profession. When someone asks me what I do at a cocktail party, I never say "I'm a doctor." I say that I'm a physician; most physicians I know do the same.

Referring to oneself as Dr. So-and-so is all about context. That's why physicians lose their **** about nurses who want to be referred to as doctors. In a hospital or medical clinic, if you call yourself doctor in front of a patient, you better be a physician. Some states even say as much to prevent PharmDs and nurses from misleading patients. The same is true in a dental clinic or on an OMFS ward regarding DDSs.

Did I read somewhere on this thread about how someone would never "belittle" themselves by claiming to be a "doctor"? Come on, man. That's no better than the DB physicians that say that dentists aren't "real doctors".

Okay, everyone. Group hug. Now, let's sing kumbaya.
 
Stumbled across this thread because the "MD's and DO's" part of the title caught my eye on the main SDN page.

There are a few black pearls getting passed out around here. First of all, residents don't work 10 times harder than attendings. If that was ever true, then it's been erased by ACGME work hour restrictions. I work appreciably harder as an attending than I did as a resident, even though I work at a teaching program, and I'm not an outlier. Secondly, ENTs are perfectly capable of handling facial trauma. In fact, at my medical school - a large university level I trauma center - facial trauma call rotated between OMFS, ENT, and ophthalmology. I'm not suggesting that OMFS isn't critical; it is, but let's not act like physicians are completely helpless when someone fractures their jaw. Besides, half of the OMFS surgeons I know are both MDs and DDSs.

As others have said, "doctor" is a title. "Physician" or "dentist" is a profession. When someone asks me what I do at a cocktail party, I never say "I'm a doctor." I say that I'm a physician; most physicians I know do the same.

Referring to oneself as Dr. So-and-so is all about context. That's why physicians lose their **** about nurses who want to be referred to as doctors. In a hospital or medical clinic, if you call yourself doctor in front of a patient, you better be a physician. Some states even say as much to prevent PharmDs and nurses from misleading patients. The same is true in a dental clinic or on an OMFS ward regarding DDSs.

Did I read somewhere on this thread about how someone would never "belittle" themselves by claiming to be a "doctor"? Come on, man. That's no better than the DB physicians that say that dentists aren't "real doctors".

Okay, everyone. Group hug. Now, let's sing kumbaya.

👍
 
Stumbled across this thread because the "MD's and DO's" part of the title caught my eye on the main SDN page.

There are a few black pearls getting passed out around here. First of all, residents don't work 10 times harder than attendings. If that was ever true, then it's been erased by ACGME work hour restrictions. I work appreciably harder as an attending than I did as a resident, even though I work at a teaching program, and I'm not an outlier. Secondly, ENTs are perfectly capable of handling facial trauma. In fact, at my medical school - a large university level I trauma center - facial trauma call rotated between OMFS, ENT, and ophthalmology. I'm not suggesting that OMFS isn't critical; it is, but let's not act like physicians are completely helpless when someone fractures their jaw. Besides, half of the OMFS surgeons I know are both MDs and DDSs.

As others have said, "doctor" is a title. "Physician" or "dentist" is a profession. When someone asks me what I do at a cocktail party, I never say "I'm a doctor." I say that I'm a physician; most physicians I know do the same.

Referring to oneself as Dr. So-and-so is all about context. That's why physicians lose their **** about nurses who want to be referred to as doctors. In a hospital or medical clinic, if you call yourself doctor in front of a patient, you better be a physician. Some states even say as much to prevent PharmDs and nurses from misleading patients. The same is true in a dental clinic or on an OMFS ward regarding DDSs.

Did I read somewhere on this thread about how someone would never "belittle" themselves by claiming to be a "doctor"? Come on, man. That's no better than the DB physicians that say that dentists aren't "real doctors".

Okay, everyone. Group hug. Now, let's sing kumbaya.


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Didn't bother to read through this because I share these same feelings:


I could not careless what people called me. You can call me a quack or a monkey. I am here to accomplish a task and I will see to it that it gets done.

I'll take off my white coat any day if it'll help even just a little bit to ease the anxiety of a dental phobic pt.
 
Let's settle this: In normal society terms, dentists are NOT doctors. However, We do have a degree that labels us as Doctors. This also includes pharmacists, lawyers, and professors.

However, the society norm correlates physicians as Doctors period. It's always been that way, and I don't see it changing anytime soon. That being said, you can go right ahead and introduce yourself as Dr. SoandSo; however, get ready to be looked at as a tool/tryhard/***** by normal peers/physicians who just don't see Dentists as Doctors.

Plus, you probably won't be making any friends anytime soon as you're seen trying "to hard" to exaggerate your status where there is none. In addition, get ready to feel the lashing of a physician friend who is more "qualified" to the Doctor title. They go to school for 4 years undergrad to get the best grades, go to 4 years M.D. to get the best grades, slave away doing rotations/residency, then apply for residency doing 3-4+ more years of specializing ridiculous amount of information while saving lives.

The truth is Dentistry is more or less a trade-school. It can do without anatomy or physio or other stuff. Yes its necessary to pass the boards or adminster drugs/meds or look at health histories, but its very very simplistic to what real Doctors do. Dentists=Dentists, and I'm proud of it.
 
Let's settle this: In normal society terms, dentists are NOT doctors. However, We do have a degree that labels us as Doctors. This also includes pharmacists, lawyers, and professors.

However, the society norm correlates physicians as Doctors period. It's always been that way, and I don't see it changing anytime soon. That being said, you can go right ahead and introduce yourself as Dr. SoandSo; however, get ready to be looked at as a tool/tryhard/***** by normal peers/physicians who just don't see Dentists as Doctors.

Plus, you probably won't be making any friends anytime soon as you're seen trying "to hard" to exaggerate your status where there is none. In addition, get ready to feel the lashing of a physician friend who is more "qualified" to the Doctor title. They go to school for 4 years undergrad to get the best grades, go to 4 years M.D. to get the best grades, slave away doing rotations/residency, then apply for residency doing 3-4+ more years of specializing ridiculous amount of information while saving lives.

The truth is Dentistry is more or less a trade-school. It can do without anatomy or physio or other stuff. Yes its necessary to pass the boards or adminster drugs/meds or look at health histories, but its very very simplistic to what real Doctors do. Dentists=Dentists, and I'm proud of it.

so what's an OMFS?

refer to 2a:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/doctor
 


You win if you technically say that Dr's=physicians/dentists/lawyers/PHD/Vets. By definition this is true, but by society norms it isn't. I don't think you can debate that fact.

Phil: "Doctor Price? Stu, you're a dentist. Don't try and get fancy." Stu: "It's not fancy if it's true." Phil: "He's a dentist, don't get too excited. And if someone has a heart attack you should still call 911."

:laugh:
 
I saw this on the forums frontpage or I wouldn't be posting...

I'm a medical student, you're a dental student. I'll be a physician, you'll be a dentist. Doctor is bestowed on both of us. We have doctorate degrees. You do teeth/MFS/oral stuff. I do body stuff. I can't cross into your realm. You can't cross into mine. We don't have the same expertise. We are both professionals. I respect you. You respect me.

We can co-exist. Doctor is just semantics.
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Stumbled across this thread because the "MD's and DO's" part of the title caught my eye on the main SDN page.

There are a few black pearls getting passed out around here. First of all, residents don't work 10 times harder than attendings. If that was ever true, then it's been erased by ACGME work hour restrictions. I work appreciably harder as an attending than I did as a resident, even though I work at a teaching program, and I'm not an outlier. Secondly, ENTs are perfectly capable of handling facial trauma. In fact, at my medical school - a large university level I trauma center - facial trauma call rotated between OMFS, ENT, and ophthalmology. I'm not suggesting that OMFS isn't critical; it is, but let's not act like physicians are completely helpless when someone fractures their jaw. Besides, half of the OMFS surgeons I know are both MDs and DDSs.

As others have said, "doctor" is a title. "Physician" or "dentist" is a profession. When someone asks me what I do at a cocktail party, I never say "I'm a doctor." I say that I'm a physician; most physicians I know do the same.

Referring to oneself as Dr. So-and-so is all about context. That's why physicians lose their **** about nurses who want to be referred to as doctors. In a hospital or medical clinic, if you call yourself doctor in front of a patient, you better be a physician. Some states even say as much to prevent PharmDs and nurses from misleading patients. The same is true in a dental clinic or on an OMFS ward regarding DDSs.

Did I read somewhere on this thread about how someone would never "belittle" themselves by claiming to be a "doctor"? Come on, man. That's no better than the DB physicians that say that dentists aren't "real doctors".

Okay, everyone. Group hug. Now, let's sing kumbaya.
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I like how the physicians are writing the best responses to the dental arguments.

Thread is done already people lol
 
To the OP,

What you experienced is probably from some pre-meds who are into status/ prestige kind of thing or some decade old jokes that still lay around. In my 21 years involved in dentistry, I had been on hospital floors doing consultations, in the OR along with ENT, giving lectures to MD staff at the medical school and I have yet to experience any disrespect toward my profession. If anything my medical colleagues have great respect for me because I can do things that they can’t and I am seen as another medical professional with a different specialty. If you are concerned about physicians don’t see dentists as “doctors”, I assure you that your worry is unfounded. I have never experienced it myself and I doubt if you will. How about the public? Most of them do not know what kind of training dentists receive. Some think you are a physician specializes in dentistry while others may think it is a trade school type of a deal (very rare). But the sure thing is that you will get great respect and prestige in the community as I have experienced. On so many instances, I wish that they address to me as Dai rather than calling me Dr. Phan. As far as training goes, dental specialists get the same numbers of post graduate years of residency as the medical counter parts. In my specialty, it takes a minimum of 4 additional years after DS to do what I do. Some medical specialties take longer than some dental specialties and vice versa. So the moral of the story is this. We as dentists provide medical care to a specific part of the body and we are equal to anybody in the world of health care profession. We enjoy the same prestige and respect as physicians and don’t let old jokes or immature premeds tell you otherwise. DP
 
I saw this on the forums frontpage or I wouldn't be posting...

I'm a medical student, you're a dental student. I'll be a physician, you'll be a dentist. Doctor is bestowed on both of us. We have doctorate degrees. You do teeth/MFS/oral stuff. I do body stuff. I can't cross into your realm. You can't cross into mine. We don't have the same expertise. We are both professionals. I respect you. You respect me.

We can co-exist. Doctor is just semantics.
Exactly bruh
 
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