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ok sir let me get this straight, you are a new graduate with 200k in debt
you want our BANK to loan you money to start a NEW BUSINESS in the economy where banks are NOT lending money
then you can try to compete with the big chains and get demolished

keep dreaming young pharmacy student, keep dreaming

personally I have some assets to get the thing rolling, but 2 problems still

1) my last proposal was denied
2) i have a hard time finding a location: i only know my hometown area well, but it is too saturated with pharmacies....other areas of the state and country i am not familiar with and not willing to take a risk on striking out on choosing a bad location (but this is a mute point due to #1)
 
personally I have some assets to get the thing rolling, but 2 problems still

1) my last proposal was denied
2) i have a hard time finding a location: i only know my hometown area well, but it is too saturated with pharmacies....other areas of the state and country i am not familiar with and not willing to take a risk on striking out on choosing a bad location (but this is a mute point due to #1)

i know what you mean, a few friends of mine tried the same and ran into the same issues above. the issue is the big chains make their money off of the sales in the front and use the pharmacy as an added plus to pushing the front end sales. so there are a lot of pharmacies around to compete with. i wish you luck. a supermarket here just closed their pharmacy down and displaced their pharmacists.
 
i know what you mean, a few friends of mine tried the same and ran into the same issues above. the issue is the big chains make their money off of the sales in the front and use the pharmacy as an added plus to pushing the front end sales. so there are a lot of pharmacies around to compete with. i wish you luck. a supermarket here just closed their pharmacy down and displaced their pharmacists.

if my loan would get approved, i would do it

im willing to put my assets up, and even with the job im at, im living very cheaply to save some cash.....but like i said, the lending market is weak
 
if my loan would get approved, i would do it

im willing to put my assets up, and even with the job im at, im living very cheaply to save some cash.....but like i said, the lending market is weak

i do not see lending improving at all. banks just accept aid from the gov but will not lend.
 
I don't understand why you don't think people can love retail pharmacy. No one is going to love every part of it, but it is possible for people to enjoy it on the whole.

1) I have NEVER in my life met a retail pharmacist that love his or her job. They mostly said they hated it or they think it is OKAY. It's a job, it's alright. That's the most common response I get.

2) Who likes dealing with rude people, getting the cash register or drive thru? (this is an honest question, not trying to be rude to you.)

3) When someone tells me they LOVE pharmacy. They are saying I love learning about pharmacology, how drugs work, drug mechanisms and drugs effect on the body etc. That is pharmacy. The love of pharmacology and learning about drugs and their mechanisms is what a person LOVES doing if they love pharmacy b/c that is WHAT PHARMACY IS. SO don't you think logically if a person tells me he LOVES pharmacy he would go into research in developing new drugs and expanding his knowledge on pharmacology? If that is what you love, you should be doing it EVERYDAY! Getting the drive thru has nothing do to with pharmacology. Sorry. 🙁
 
i only realized i liked business once i got working in a pharmacy and dealing with budgets and stuff...youre not really exposed to that stuff before

i have both business and pharm degrees....i am leaning more towards the business side long term given the saturation in pharm and how hard it has become to find jobs (this is me for long term)...i dont mind pharmacy at all, i love the field....but long term, where my family is from, and if I marry who Im involved with now (she cant move since shes partner), I cant sniff a job in that area in a 4 hr radius (even with me willing to drive 1.5 hrs each way each day, I cant find anything), hence I am looking at other non pharm careers...currently i have a decent job, but its far away from everything and only something I can do for a short period

basically all im trying to say is that if you want the opportunity to be be able to move around during your working career, pharmacy is not really the field anymore (unless of course you have a niche to differentiate yourself from new grads)


the CFA is a ridicolous test that covers a lot of information, i dont make the test so dont ask me why its so hard.....but once you get (and the pass rates are low) you are open to a world of opportunities not seen b4

I mean to ask what is on the CFA that makes it so hard? I never taken the exam before and I was just wondering what makes it so hard. If someone was to ask me what makes the MCAT so hard I can answer that b/c I have taken that before...but CFA? I have no idea! haha...

Good luck in everything that you hope to do. I hope you do well on the CFA. The job market can't suck more so we all NEED TONS OF LUCK!

I agree with PharmaTope. If you owned an independent pharmacy from the 50s or 60s and it's still running then most likely it is doing well and you already have a good patient pool. But for all the people that want to start their OWN pharmacy NOW? It won't work, you can't compete with Costco or Walmart's prices. No one is going to be willing to pay $50 for a drug that is $4 at Walmart. That's just not going to happen no matter how good you are.
 
1) I have NEVER in my life met a retail pharmacist that love his or her job. They mostly said they hated it or they think it is OKAY. It's a job, it's alright. That's the most common response I get.

2) Who likes dealing with rude people, getting the cash register or drive thru? (this is an honest question, not trying to be rude to you.)

3) When someone tells me they LOVE pharmacy. They are saying I love learning about pharmacology, how drugs work, drug mechanisms and drugs effect on the body etc. That is pharmacy. The love of pharmacology and learning about drugs and their mechanisms is what a person LOVES doing if they love pharmacy b/c that is WHAT PHARMACY IS. SO don't you think logically if a person tells me he LOVES pharmacy he would go into research in developing new drugs and expanding his knowledge on pharmacology? If that is what you love, you should be doing it EVERYDAY! Getting the drive thru has nothing do to with pharmacology. Sorry. 🙁

I never take anything you say to me as being rude. 😉

The practice of pharmacy and designing drugs really are pretty different. If you love learning about drugs, yes designing them maybe be the right path. If you love counseling/interacting with patients, retail might be for you. If you love being a unicorn, get an inpatient/clinical job.

It is possible to enjoy interacting with the public. Not every aspect of it, but some.
 
I never take anything you say to me as being rude. 😉

The practice of pharmacy and designing drugs really are pretty different. If you love learning about drugs, yes designing them maybe be the right path. If you love counseling/interacting with patients, retail might be for you. If you love being a unicorn, get an inpatient/clinical job.

It is possible to enjoy interacting with the public. Not every aspect of it, but some.

I see what you are saying. I think the reason I feel so negatively about retail is that the pharmacist really do TOO MUCH NON PHARMACY RELATED CRAP! I feel all that tech work/cashier work/fixing insurance that a pharmacist have to do in retail will discourage people from doing retail. However since the money is so good some people are willing to put up with it. That's why I feel that people go into retail for money. I feel that most of the stuff people do in retail has NOTHING to do with Pharmacy or Pharmacology so it is hard for me to understand why a person that has a PASSION for pharmacy would choose retail...other than for the six figure salary.
 
I'm going into pharmacy for retail. Since nobody else is, I'm betting on no competition for jobs. Or I guess I could no a residency and waste another year making no money, have my student loan interest shoot through the roof and dealing with even more educational BS, then MAYBE get a hospital job making less than retail and have to smell gross, old people all day while I preform OMM/spinal manipulation/hocos pocos/astrology or MTM, whatever it's called.

Ask PharmaTope that and see what he saids! :laugh: Unfortunately all fields of pharmacy is extremely saturated b/c there are too many students being pumped out and not enough jobs out there to support all the new PharmD grads. Retail will be just as competitive b/c it requires NO residency and it paids 6 figures. So it will be just as hard to get.

Do yourself a favor and go into PA or dentistry. I am serious. If you are still in high school or college and still have time to pick/choose I would choose something with better job prospects. 🙂
 
I'm going into pharmacy for retail. Since nobody else is, I'm betting on no competition for jobs. Or I guess I could no a residency and waste another year making no money, have my student loan interest shoot through the roof and dealing with even more educational BS, then MAYBE get a hospital job making less than retail and have to smell gross, old people all day while I preform OMM/spinal manipulation/hocos pocos/astrology or MTM, whatever it's called.

ROFL i'll take you up on that bet
 
Wouldn't it be nice if pharmacists with years of experience were sought after because of their knowledge and experience? Maybe this is true to a small degree, but pharmacy practice is based on being a registered pharmacist with a license.

Look at what is discussed on the pharmacy forum here. Pharmacology? No.

Go to PA forums on the web and have a look. They discuss drug therapy and pharmacology. This is because they practice pharmacology and drug therapy. You can't get good at something you don't practice. Even hospital pharmacists spend most of their time doing clerical, inventory, and delivery related work.

PA practice seems like a good option for those who would like to make decisions about drug therapy. The gap is closing between pharmacist and PA salaries.

As doctors, PA's, and NP's get older, they accumulate a following because of their knowledge and experience.
 
Wouldn't it be nice if pharmacists with years of experience were sought after because of their knowledge and experience? Maybe this is true to a small degree, but pharmacy practice is based on being a registered pharmacist with a license.

Look at what is discussed on the pharmacy forum here. Pharmacology? No.

Go to PA forums on the web and have a look. They discuss drug therapy and pharmacology. This is because they practice pharmacology and drug therapy. You can't get good at something you don't practice. Even hospital pharmacists spend most of their time doing clerical, inventory, and delivery related work.

PA practice seems like a good option for those who would like to make decisions about drug therapy. The gap is closing between pharmacist and PA salaries.

As doctors, PA's, and NP's get older, they accumulate a following because of their knowledge and experience.

agreed! i was always impressed by the level of drug knowledge a lot of physicians had. people arent going to memorize various details on something they never use or see. doesnt make sense. you will see a lot of practitioners knowing their drugs very well.

the issue is the management of pharmacists has forced them to use less of their knowledge. it is just a way of life.

how long until you find pharmacists trying to moonlight as strippers? i didnt have any good looking pharmacy student females in my class so i cant imagine them being successful there. to the quote about retail having no competition, you are very misinformed. i know pharmacists who have been out of work a full year now with years of experience. you really have no idea how bad the market is.
 
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Wouldn't it be nice if pharmacists with years of experience were sought after because of their knowledge and experience? Maybe this is true to a small degree, but pharmacy practice is based on being a registered pharmacist with a license.

Look at what is discussed on the pharmacy forum here. Pharmacology? No.

Go to PA forums on the web and have a look. They discuss drug therapy and pharmacology. This is because they practice pharmacology and drug therapy. You can't get good at something you don't practice. Even hospital pharmacists spend most of their time doing clerical, inventory, and delivery related work.

PA practice seems like a good option for those who would like to make decisions about drug therapy. The gap is closing between pharmacist and PA salaries.

As doctors, PA's, and NP's get older, they accumulate a following because of their knowledge and experience.
I completely disagree, and so much so, that I think you're posing as a pharmacist, because you have no idea what you're talking about. 👎
 
I completely disagree, and so much so, that I think you're posing as a pharmacist, because you have no idea what you're talking about. 👎

Hey Doctor Quinn, just discuss your reasons for disagreeing. These are my observations as a practicing pharmacist. It's not personal.

Are pharmacist salaries rising?
Are older pharmacists hired less often than new grads?
I see PA's prescribing, don't you?

Pharmacists get to help with drug therapy sometimes.
 
Look at what is discussed on the pharmacy forum here. Pharmacology? No.
"SDN is not for homework help."

"SDN is not for medical advice. "

Almost every time. Except for those antibiotic nerds every now and then.
 
Wouldn't it be nice if pharmacists with years of experience were sought after because of their knowledge and experience? Maybe this is true to a small degree, but pharmacy practice is based on being a registered pharmacist with a license.
Pharmacists with experience are sought after for their knowledge and experience, hence, "experience preferred" or "experience required" on just about every single pharmacist job out there. A license is a requirement in numerous fields, but it does not always equal employment no matter where you go. A shortage increases the chances that you will be hired with no experience as a pharmacist, and it's the same in medicine, dentistry, etc. if there's a shortage there, too.
Look at what is discussed on the pharmacy forum here. Pharmacology? No.

Go to PA forums on the web and have a look. They discuss drug therapy and pharmacology. This is because they practice pharmacology and drug therapy. You can't get good at something you don't practice.
Why do I need to discuss pharmacology on SDN? Pharmacy pharmacology covered more than I will ever probably need to know about pharmacology- in pharmacy school - along with Med Chem, Kinetics, etc. The single semester of pharmacology that most physicians, PAs, and NPs get is hardly comparable, hence, why they need to "discuss" it.
Pharmacists practice drug therapy and make decisions about drug therapy on a daily basis. How many times does the pharmacist have to call the doctor on a dose, warn patients about drug interactions, give dosing advice to patients and prescribers? It's a countless number.
As doctors, PA's, and NP's get older, they accumulate a following because of their knowledge and experience.
Pharmacists accumulate "a following", too. My old boss has worked for the same company for 25 years in the same area, and people go to his location from across town, because they want to be his client; he has "a following".
Even hospital pharmacists spend most of their time doing clerical, inventory, and delivery related work.
No. Not hardly. That's what pharmacy techs do.
Hey Doctor Quinn, just discuss your reasons for disagreeing. These are my observations as a practicing pharmacist. It's not personal.

Are pharmacist salaries rising?
Are older pharmacists hired less often than new grads?
I see PA's prescribing, don't you?

Pharmacists get to help with drug therapy sometimes.
Why would pharmacist salaries be rising during a shrinking shortage and an economic downturn? That's good ol' supply and demand.
What do I need to prescribe for? I review medications and drug utilization, not diagnose... unless it's something easily treatable OTC.

You made it personal by calling names... duh.
 
"SDN is not for homework help."

"SDN is not for medical advice. "

Almost every time. Except for those antibiotic nerds every now and then.

clinical discussions are encouraged but doing a student's homework isn't. I would love to see more clinical/educational discussions. maybe you should start one?
 
In my job as a hospital pharmacist, there are many things I am asked to do to improve drug therapy. Here is what I did yesterday:

1) Reviewed Apache scores for a sepsis patient and arranged for Xigris to be shipped by emergency delivery. I entered the infusion details in the computer, prepared the sterile admixture, and advised the nurse about proper use and monitoring.

2) I spotted a Fentanyl PCA made with sterile water and changed it to a isotonic solution.

3) I advised a nurse about options for giving acet/cod to a stubborn 4 yo.

4) Dosed vancomycin, warfarin, Zosyn, and Levaquin.

Those are satisfying duties. Fortunately I work with nurses and pharmacy staff who appreciate me.

Many other tasks are very mundane and unsatisfying. Yea; every job has those. Hyper-regulation from the many layers of hospital leadership doesn't seem right.

In regard to the original question, it depends on your inclinations. Working as a PA looks like it would be a nice change. I can certainly understand why a pharmacist would want to try something different.
 
I'm curious though, what are the practical (i.e. real life) benefits of a PharmD/PA as opposed to just a PA? How would this dual degree work in clinical practice? Would you be allowed to function as both at the same time? Just trying to understand the point I guess.

I think a where this combo might be more useful would be in academics. For faculty positions, having a doctoral degree is often very beneficial with regard to career advancement. Since most PA programs now are masters level, a PA professor might not advance through the academic ranks as rapidly as desired, while one with a joint PA/PharmD might advance more quickly. Plus, it would allow him/her to teach in the pharmacy portion of the PA curriculum.

Maybe we are both being short-sighted, but I am like you and don't immediately see how this combination would be very useful in clinical practice. Maybe someone can enlighten us?
 
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how is the doctoral degree viewed, as it is not done through research?
 
Wouldn't it be nice if pharmacists with years of experience were sought after because of their knowledge and experience? Maybe this is true to a small degree, but pharmacy practice is based on being a registered pharmacist with a license.

Look at what is discussed on the pharmacy forum here. Pharmacology? No.

Go to PA forums on the web and have a look. They discuss drug therapy and pharmacology. This is because they practice pharmacology and drug therapy. You can't get good at something you don't practice. Even hospital pharmacists spend most of their time doing clerical, inventory, and delivery related work.

PA practice seems like a good option for those who would like to make decisions about drug therapy. The gap is closing between pharmacist and PA salaries.

As doctors, PA's, and NP's get older, they accumulate a following because of their knowledge and experience.

So I took your advice and went and checked out a PA forum. It was hilarious! The only pharmacology thread I found was about transitioning a patient from insulin to oral drugs. The number of assumptions they made over and over were just SCARY. E.g. "If the patient is skinny he is type 1. That is the best way to tell." Whaaat? And "A1c of 7.7%?? He doesn't need to switch to anything! Just cut insulin, he is doing great! That is at goal!" Or even better..."Just put him on rosiglitazone. He is young, there won't be any side effect problems."

I honestly cannot think of ONE reason to put a patient on rosi unless they are refusing to do insulin and are maxed out on all other oral meds. That's IT. Even then it would depend.

These PAs are honestly dangerous. It makes me really nervous to think of them treating a diabetic.
 
So I took your advice and went and checked out a PA forum. It was hilarious! The only pharmacology thread I found was about transitioning a patient from insulin to oral drugs. The number of assumptions they made over and over were just SCARY. E.g. "If the patient is skinny he is type 1. That is the best way to tell." Whaaat? And "A1c of 7.7%?? He doesn't need to switch to anything! Just cut insulin, he is doing great! That is at goal!" Or even better..."Just put him on rosiglitazone. He is young, there won't be any side effect problems."

I honestly cannot think of ONE reason to put a patient on rosi unless they are refusing to do insulin and are maxed out on all other oral meds. That's IT. Even then it would depend.

These PAs are honestly dangerous. It makes me really nervous to think of them treating a diabetic.

Not only that, but the mid-levels think they're smarter than us...take a look at this:

http://www.advancedpracticejobs.com/news/Apparently,-Your-Pharmacist-Can-Prescribe,-Too/648.html

Kim Spering said:
At the risk of having some accuse me of “restraint of trade,” I’m going to make my views known about a recent decision by the DEA to allow certain pharmacists to prescribe controlled substances to patients. Yes, you read that correctly. PHARMACISTS can PRESCRIBE NARCOTICS to patients if they meet certain criteria. (http://www.pharmacist.com/AM/Templa...mplate=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=25693)
According to news from the American Pharmacist Association, the DEA allows pharmacists in seven states (California, Montana, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Washington, and Massachusetts) who work in institutions under a signed Collaborative Drug Therapy Management (CDTM) agreement to prescribe controlled substances and be called registered as “mid-level providers” with supervising physicians, the same as Nurse Practitioners and Physician Assistants.
Under the ruling, pharmacists working in hospitals, long-term care facilities, inpatient- or out-patient hospice settings, or ambulatory care clinics would be allowed to prescribe controlled substances if they had this CDTM agreement.
Initially, the DEA refused to grant prescriber numbers to pharmacists. According to proponents, pharmacists who have the ability to prescribe themselves will allow for more timely medication management...instead of “waiting” for physicians or other providers to actually decide whether or not the medication change is warranted. Really? How long are patients in these settings WAITING? Maybe one needs to look at those issues first.
David Johnson, Executive V.P. Of the Massachusetts Pharmacists Association, was quoted:
“CDTM is important for the profession because “pharmacists have the knowledge and expertise to effectively manage patients’ medication regimens and CDTM allows pharmacists to help patients at a new level,” Johnson said. He cited pharmacists’ extensive education and training, which allows them to practice at the same level as nurse practitioners and physician’s assistants, who have been able to prescribe for years.”
I read this blurb...in blatant DISBELIEF. In fact, my immediate response was, you GOTTA be KIDDING me!!
Are pharmacists educated about DIAGNOSING and MANAGING diseases and co-morbidities? Have they personally assessed and evaluated patients, managed their health and illness, their outcomes to treatment? Have they counseled patients about anything OTHER than medication management?
I understand that they have education about medication physiology, biochemistry, and a whole bunch of other things. However, we have NP and PA colleagues who cannot prescribe narcotics in several states, despite being educated as the REST of us...to do exactly that. I have yet to meet a PharmD who has worked with patients in the same way as we NP/PAs have. Unless their clinical rotations have changed in the past few years, I think this is a HUGE stretch.
I beg to differ with Mr. Johnson, who apparently doesn’t have a clue about our educational preparation and training compared to pharmacists. I’m all for the idea of CDTM overall. But please...unless this education actually includes more about patient assessment, evaluation, and all of the “meat” that goes into our education, leave the PRESCRIBING to those who do it best.


Kim Spering is a family nurse practitioner who currently works at Brndjar Medical Associates, P.C., a family practice in Emmaus, PA. Her past experience includes the fields of medical/surgical ICU, open heart/trauma ICU, labor and delivery, nursing education, nursing supervision, and as a nurse practitioner in both family practice and OB/GYN settings. She currently serves as a NP preceptor for her graduate school alma mater, DeSales University, as well as for local baccalaureate programs. She is passionate about patient education and helping patients understand that they are ultimately responsible for their own health. She also firmly believes that the public needs to be educated on the value of NPs and PAs in meeting the health care needs of the next decade and beyond. In her free time, Kim enjoys family vacations with her optometrist husband, Mark, and her two sons, Matthew and Connor.


I took out her picture that showed up in the quote because it kept coming up too big and I didn't want to embarrass her, but yeah...:laugh:
 
These PAs are honestly dangerous. It makes me really nervous to think of them treating a diabetic.

It's always nice to see someone generalize an entire profession based on a few random posts on an anonymous online message board. Good luck with your future professional interactions once you get out of school...
 
how is the doctoral degree viewed, as it is not done through research?

That probably varies some with the school. Some schools like to boast about having "xx% of faculty with terminal degrees." Probably wouldn't matter as much at those places that the degree is a professional doctorate or a research doctorate. Other schools may be more research oriented and hire faculty with that in mind.
 
It's always nice to see someone generalize an entire profession based on a few random posts on an anonymous online message board. Good luck with your future professional interactions once you get out of school...

Would it make you feel better to know that my personal experience (I work in a hospital) is pretty much the same?
 
What hypocrisy. This nurse wants to expand her profession, but she won't let other professions do so.

We also have to take into account this nurse graduated 20 years ago. Many newer nurses, PA's, and physicians don't have this same mentality toward pharmacists.

We must wait for the older generation to die off . . . jk
 
I don't think nurses should be doing anything besides whiping arse, paperwork and whatever else is delegated to them. A lot of the loser girls in my highschool always went into nursing by going to some s***** community college and we're supposed to believe that is anywhere near the equivalence of an undergraduate degree + medschool/pharmacy/dental, etc... It's not even in the same league. I would never let a NP treat me. A lot of these Nursing programs are online with NO clinical portion at all. Nurses think they cant take the easy route by getting bachelors in nursing, NP from a bunh of hococ pocus online fake univeristies like IVY tech. RubbiSH.
 
Would it make you feel better to know that my personal experience (I work in a hospital) is pretty much the same?

Not especially. I'm sure we can all cite examples of less than impressive health care providers based on our own experiences, whether they are PA's, MD's, NP's or pharmacists. But isolated anecdotal cases don't define the competence of an entire profession. I could list several examples of pharmacist's displaying a lack of understanding from my own personal clinical experience as a PA, but it would be foolish of me to generalize this to all pharmacists. Instead I realize that the vast majority are skilled professionals; we all just have occasional bad experiences.
 
Not especially. I'm sure we can all cite examples of less than impressive health care providers based on our own experiences, whether they are PA's, MD's, NP's or pharmacists. But isolated anecdotal cases don't define the competence of an entire profession. I could list several examples of pharmacist's displaying a lack of understanding from my own personal clinical experience as a PA, but it would be foolish of me to generalize this to all pharmacists. Instead I realize that the vast majority are skilled professionals; we all just have occasional bad experiences.

This is all true. The thing is, the majority of my experiences have shown me that PAs and NPs just have no concept of drugs. They're the ones who prescribe powders for skin fungal infections, tell a patient to take 10 mL of a 250/67.5 mg/5 mL suspension of Augmentin BID, and throw fits when you page because they didn't include a physician's name on their scripts - which is the law. "Yes I DID!" "No. I have it in my hand. It's not there. Can I just have it, please?" "But IT'S ON THERE."
 
This is all true. The thing is, the majority of my experiences have shown me that PAs and NPs just have no concept of drugs.
Yep.
They're the ones who prescribe powders for skin fungal infections, tell a patient to take 10 mL of a 250/67.5 mg/5 mL suspension of Augmentin BID, and throw fits when you page because they didn't include a physician's name on their scripts - which is the law. "Yes I DID!" "No. I have it in my hand. It's not there. Can I just have it, please?" "But IT'S ON THERE."
I initiated an investigation for that reason...
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This is all true. The thing is, the majority of my experiences have shown me that PAs and NPs just have no concept of drugs. They're the ones who prescribe powders for skin fungal infections, tell a patient to take 10 mL of a 250/67.5 mg/5 mL suspension of Augmentin BID, and throw fits when you page because they didn't include a physician's name on their scripts - which is the law. "Yes I DID!" "No. I have it in my hand. It's not there. Can I just have it, please?" "But IT'S ON THERE."

I'm sorry your experiences as a pharmacy tech or whatever it is you do have been less than stellar. If those few experiences are "the majority of your experiences" then you either must have very little actual experience, an extremely small number of PA's/NP's in your community, or more likely you fail to notice the vast majority of accurately written prescriptions from PA's and NP's. Since some estimates put PA/NP prescribing at around 200 million prescriptions annually and every study I've read on our care shows no increase in patient mortality, I'm welling to bet that there is no epidemic of clueless prescribing going on.
I still get monthly calls from pharmacists trying to correct my "error" of writing for Bactrim DS 2 tabs BID, requiring me to educate them on the current recommendations for treating MRSA skin infections as an outpatient. I suppose using your logic I must assume that the majority of my interactions with pharmacists have shown me that they have no concept of clinical medicine.
 
I'm sorry your experiences as a pharmacy tech or whatever it is you do have been less than stellar....

FWIW medic, I have meet and worked with some very, very good PAs. It's a great field IMO.

let's not turn this into one of THOSE threads.....

Haha, agree.
 
let's not turn this into one of THOSE threads.....

Are pharmacy students just mad that PAs have LESS schooling, could potentially make MORE money and the job market is great in that field. Is that why people on here are so bitter towards PAs? :laugh:
 
FWIW medic, I have meet and worked with some very, very good PAs. It's a great field IMO.
Indeed. I don't get bugged by the things Carboxide mentioned - job security, folks. If prescribers know everything about dosage forms and availability, that elimiates one further piece of pharmacy's pie.

The discussion about titrating off of insulin, well, that's different. But I'm not going to generalize based on that.
 
FWIW medic, I have meet and worked with some very, very good PAs. It's a great field IMO.

Thanks Owlegrad. Likewise, I love having the resource of a clinical pharmacist in our ED, and have the utmost respect for the profession. As a part of my job I help to coordinate the EMS rotation for our pharmacy residents, so I have the chance to interact with our pharmacy on a regular basis and get an understanding of your field. No one profession is able to know everything and anything in the field of medicine; just I consult cardiology or neurology for specific concerns in those fields, the clinician should not hesitate to consult a pharmacist for complex medication questions.
 
Are pharmacy students just mad that PAs have LESS schooling, could potentially make MORE money and the job market is great in that field. Is that why people on here are so bitter towards PAs? :laugh:
how would I know? you're asking the wrong person. I work at an institution where "medical team" is important...
 
I'm sorry your experiences as a pharmacy tech or whatever it is you do have been less than stellar. If those few experiences are "the majority of your experiences" then you either must have very little actual experience, an extremely small number of PA's/NP's in your community, or more likely you fail to notice the vast majority of accurately written prescriptions from PA's and NP's. Since some estimates put PA/NP prescribing at around 200 million prescriptions annually and every study I've read on our care shows no increase in patient mortality, I'm welling to bet that there is no epidemic of clueless prescribing going on.
I still get monthly calls from pharmacists trying to correct my "error" of writing for Bactrim DS 2 tabs BID, requiring me to educate them on the current recommendations for treating MRSA skin infections as an outpatient.
So what about the pharmacists behind the scene that have kept the rate of mortality from increasing? We have to check the dang scripts, after all. I just loved the Zyrtec 5mg q6h that my local NP wrote...

Two Bactrim DS BID is not a "current recommendation". It's an indication, albeit one that puts the patient at a greater risk for gastro side effects, not a recommendation. I've called on this myself, before, actually, because it's twice the usual dose, and since I see it so often now, I just let the patient call me whenever they get nauseated and sick to their stomach, and then I'll call the prescriber.
And I just love it whenever my patients know what the usual dosing is (because they've had it before), get sick to their stomach, and call concerned, since they're taking twice the dose. 🙄 Oh, and what about the risk of photosensitivity? I think 2 Bactrim DS BID is asking for a nasty sunburn. :scared:
Bactrim DS is cheap, so patients like that aspect of it, but doubling it up is not worth the increase in side effects.
I suppose using your logic I must assume that the majority of my interactions with pharmacists have shown me that they have no concept of clinical medicine.
You have a concept of clinical medicine?... I'm not sure that you do?!
 
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