Why such the animosity????????

[Tanner82]

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I've seen the pre-meds on this forum stick together to support the DO profession more than put people down for the sake of putting people down. It's very unlikely that a pre-DO poster will look at someone's stats and ridicule them out of the blue.

Very true meg. The difference is very obvious when looking at the allo vs osteo threads. I think it is just a pre-med phenomenon tho. Those who have gone through the grind of MS, residency, and the experience of working with DO's undoubtably have a different opinion. Nonetheless, at this point in our medical education proccess, I think a lot of us pre-do's take solace in each other. I think that, at least on SDN (which may or may not say much), a lot of us have a genuine sense of comaradarie, while others have a sense of cut-throat competition. I guess it's just nature, but I personally am more of a laid back kind of guy. There isn't really anything wrong with being a gunner, but that's not me, and if you aren't that type of person, gunners (and ignorance/superiority) really start to annoy you... just my 2 cents

 

[ocwaveoc]

I hate all people.

 

[Tanner82]

Rocky vista U

hahahhaaha and I love these sarcastic posts/threads, they really lighten the mood around here.

 

[Shaniqua14]

Sorry can't-- thats not 1 of the 6 I've been accepted to. But I appreciate the pathetic attempt at sarcasm. Which, I might add, is the lowest form of humor.

All I meant by my comment, is that I imagine med school will be difficult enough without classmates putting each other (and their ideas) down.

Rocky vista U

 

[tony montana]

Sorry can't-- thats not 1 of the 6 I've been accepted to. But I appreciate the pathetic attempt at sarcasm. Which, I might add, is the lowest form of humor.

All I meant by my comment, is that I imagine med school will be difficult enough without classmates putting each other (and their ideas) down.

Bragging about how many places you got into, and pretending to be better than your fellow classmate, I can appreciate. Which, I might add, is the lowest form of premed hypocresy.

 

[Tanner82]

Bragging about how many places you got into, and pretending to be better than your fellow classmate, I can appreciate. Which, I might add, is the lowest form of premed hypocresy.

Shaniqua, you just started the animosity!!!

 

[Shaniqua14]

Considering my GPA was less than a 3.0 and my MCAT was average-- I am not pretending to be better than my fellow classmates.

I was just an applicant with a lot of heart that showed through in my application and interviews, and one that realizes since DO students potentially may have their abilities questioned, as to why they did not go the MD route, or if DOs are as good of doctors, that future DO's should just spend their time complimenting each other and working together.

That's all. Sorry to have offended you.

Bragging about how many places you got into, and pretending to be better than your fellow classmate, I can appreciate. Which, I might add, is the lowest form of premed hypocresy.

 

[tony montana]

Considering my GPA was less than a 3.0 and my MCAT was average-- I am not pretending to be better than my fellow classmates.

I was just an applicant with a lot of heart that showed through in my application and interviews, and one that realizes since DO students potentially may have their abilities questioned, as to why they did not go the MD route, or if DOs are as good of doctors, that future DO's should just spend their time complimenting each other and working together.

That's all. Sorry to have offended you.

Don't apologize yet, let's fight some more 😛

 

[tony montana]

oops double post

 

[Tanner82]

I was just an applicant with a lot of heart that showed through in my application and interviews, and one that realizes since DO students potentially may have their abilities questioned, as to why they did not go the MD route, or if DOs are as good of doctors, that future DO's should just spend their time complimenting each other and working together.

Nothing wrong with being proud... Congrats on the acceptances 👍

 

[Yourmother]

Considering my GPA was less than a 3.0 and my MCAT was average--
I was just an applicant with a lot of heart that showed through in my application and interviews,

sorry Shaniqua, but I believe there was another "factor" for you admission..

 

[Tanner82]

Considering my GPA was less than a 3.0 and my MCAT was average--
I was just an applicant with a lot of heart that showed through in my application and interviews,

sorry Shaniqua, but I believe there was another "factor" for you admission..

Very true, but its not nice to say that to people who aren't being hostile! Everyone knows about the URM card, its been discussed thoroughly.... But I wouldn't knock someone for their accomplishments. Afirmative action is ridiculous but, we shouldn't be bashing people who are an URM unless they ask for it (see the final resting place thread). It is a much larger system that has to do with institutions, not individuals. I don't think that shaniqua is a pompous biotch with a superiority complex.

 

[Yourmother]

Very true, but its not nice to say that to people who aren't being hostile! Everyone knows about the URM card, its been discussed thoroughly.... But I wouldn't knock someone for their accomplishments. Afirmative action is ridiculous but, we shouldn't be bashing people who are an URM unless they ask for it (see the final resting place thread). It is a much larger system that has to do with institutions, not individuals. I don't think that shaniqua is a pompous biotch with a superiority complex.

yeah your right....sorry about that. I totally bashed her head it didn't I? I'm a prick and I'm sorry. Just got my chem test back and still mad about it....oh well

 

[TheLesPaul]

I read this thread yesterday and felt compelled to write. It saddens me that the stress of applying to medical school causes some people to "put their claws out." I suppose they are able to segway their feelings of stress waiting for interviews/acceptances into taking the time to put other applicants down. Its just amusing though, that no matter how many mean comments are placed here-- the time spent is futile, it WON'T get you accepted to your top choice any quicker, and it WON'T increase your GPA or MCAT score. Just feelings get hurt.

This "gunner personality" and "intense competiveness" is what caused me to switch from applying to MD programs to DO programs. MD applicants are stereotyped to be super intense, and I just refuse to deal with it. BUT the fact that future DO students are writing ignorant and rude comments on this thread? Ugh. Please tell me where you are planning on attending next year, so I can make sure to choose my acceptance at another program.

Really? Are you sure? The sole reason that you switched from pre-MD to pre-DO was a stereotype of a small subset of students who act like jerks on an online forum?

You've got to be kidding me...

 

[Saregamapadanis]

Really? Are you sure? The sole reason that you switched from pre-MD to pre-DO was a stereotype of a small subset of students who act like jerks on an online forum?

You've got to be kidding me...

I don't think he/she is talking about solely the opinions that are presented on the internet.
I bet it is very unlikely that this person is going to change from pre-MD to pre-DO because of opinions on SDN.

 

[TheLesPaul]

Still...to base a career decision based on a stereotype of an MD applicant sounds ridiculous. Why not base it on MDs and DOs, not MD and DO applicants?

 

[osli]

So, the one thing I hate about this forum is that some people feel the need to constantly put others and their posts down. Why is this? For example, the recent "I wanna be a plastic surgeon." First, this poor person got attacked and told that it was basically impossible for him/her to want to be both a plastic surgeon and a DO.

Methinks you misunderstood. People didn't jump on him for having the gall to think a person might want to be both a DO and a surgeon (oh, the horror), but for having the gall to ask a stupid question... which was essentially equivalent to asking "can DO's prescribe medications?"

Reread that thread, and substitute my analogous question for the OP's original question, and the responses in that thread might make a little more sense to you. And keep in mind that this is after what seems like a rash of people asking these questions repeatedly in this forum over the past few months...

"Can DO's go into... radiology?"

"Can DO's go into... whatever?"

"Can DO's... see patients?"

 

[TexasTriathlete]

Can DO's go into professional competitive eating?

 

[Beau Geste]

Can DO's go into the grocery store?

 

[JaggerPlate]

Can DO's go into the grocery store?

No ... they have to sit outside, dirty and disoriented, holding a sign that states : 'Will provide medical services for food, God Bless.'

 

[Beau Geste]

No ... they have to sit outside, dirty and disoriented, holding a sign that states : 'Will provide medical services for food, God Bless.'

But they carry the same money as MDs - just more neatly folded!

 

[mandinca]

Wow....ya'll are better than TV!! 😀

 

[JaggerPlate]

Wow....ya'll are better than TV!! 😀

Wait until you hear the new pre-osteo invented tv pilot about the DO practices medicine by day ... but fights crime by night.

👍

 

[Beau Geste]

Wait until you hear the new pre-osteo invented tv pilot about the DO practices medicine by day ... but fights crime by night.

👍

And is a vampire soul-catcher for the devil while practicing OMM on the needy 👍

 

[Shaniqua14]

Hah. FYI-- I'm a white female with green eyes & blond hair. Shaniqua is the silly name I give guys at bars when they ask for my name and number --- its just a quick way to tell them to F off.

Still, that was a really low blow to pull the URM factor card, and somewhat disrespectful to any minority applicants. Until I discover otherwise, I am going to think applicants get accepted based upon merit and accomplishments only.😀

yeah your right....sorry about that. I totally bashed her head it didn't I? I'm a prick and I'm sorry. Just got my chem test back and still mad about it....oh well

 

[Beau Geste]

Sweet naive Shaniqua

 

[sexyman]

Hah. FYI-- I'm a white female with green eyes & blond hair

niiice, just my type actually- what are your measurements? lol

 

[Shaniqua14]

HAH. I know right?! That is what I'm going to pretend to think anyways 😉

Sweet naive Shaniqua

 

[Beau Geste]

It might be better that way.

I was once sweet and naive too. Now I have a feeling I'm going to be like Miranda on Grey's Anatomy.

 

[Tanner82]

And is a vampire soul-catcher for the devil while practicing OMM on the needy 👍

I knew that DO's capture souls for the devil... but the vampire part is all new to me

 

[Beau Geste]

I knew that DO's capture souls for the devil... but the vampire part is all new to me

Oh, you didn't know that DOs were the underworld of medicine? MDs have their halos, harps, and shiz.

 

[Yourmother]

Hah. FYI-- I'm a white female with green eyes & blond hair. Shaniqua is the silly name I give guys at bars when they ask for my name and number --- its just a quick way to tell them to F off.
Still, that was a really low blow to pull the URM factor card, and somewhat disrespectful to any minority applicants. Until I discover otherwise, I am going to think applicants get accepted based upon merit and accomplishments only.😀
[/I]

........that's funny cause I'm Latino.....aka URM!

 

[Tanner82]

........that's funny cause I'm Latino.....aka URM!

No wonder you got in. On a URM side note... did you know that the Dr in Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was b\c of his DO degree... Anyone can get into a DO school anyways, so the AOA gave him an honorary degree. Obviously he wasn't able to obtain a residency or practice medicine, since he was a DO, but I think its interesting nonetheless.

 

[Tanner82]

damn he seriously does have a crapload of honorary degrees tho... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King,_Jr.#Honorary_degrees
What the hell is the point of an honorary degree anyway? I mean its not real, what's the point... just another thing I will never understand 😕

 

[TexasTriathlete]

You aint never met dr. Martin Luther the King!

 

[mitawa]

No wonder you got in. On a URM side note... did you know that the Dr in Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was b\c of his DO degree... Anyone can get into a DO school anyways, so the AOA gave him an honorary degree. Obviously he wasn't able to obtain a residency or practice medicine, since he was a DO, but I think its interesting nonetheless.

You're joking right? The Dr was for his doctorate in Theology from Boston U.. I agree in that he had numerous honorary degrees.

Education



Martin Luther King, Jr. began his education at the Yonge Street Elementary School in Atlanta, Georgia. Following Yonge School, he was enrolled in David T. Howard Elementary School. He also attended the Atlanta University Laboratory School and Booker T. Washington High School. Because of his high score on the college entrance examinations in his junior year of high school, he advanced to Morehouse College without formal graduation from Booker T. Washington. Having skipped both the ninth and twelfth grades, Dr. King entered Morehouse at the age of fifteen.



In 1948, he graduated from Morehouse College with a B.A. degree in Sociology. That fall, he enrolled in Crozer Theological Seminary in Chester, Pennsylvania. While attending Crozer, he also studied at the University of Pennsylvania. He was elected president of the senior class and delivered the valedictory address; he won the Pearl Plafker Award for the most outstanding student; and he received the J. Lewis Crozer fellowship for graduate study at a university of his choice. He was awarded a Bachelor of Divinity degree from Crozer in 1951.



In September of 1951, Martin Luther King began doctoral studies in Systematic Theology at Boston University. He also studied at Harvard University. His dissertation, "A Comparison of God in the Thinking of Paul Tillich and Henry Wieman," was completed in 1955, and the Ph.D. degree from Boston, a Doctorate of Philosophy in Systematic Theology, was awarded on June 5, 1955.




Honorary Degree



Dr. King was awarded honorary degrees from numerous colleges and universities in the United States and several foreign countries. They include the following:



1957

Doctor of Humane Letters, Morehouse College
Doctor of Laws, Howard University
Doctor of Divinity, Chicago Theological Seminary


1958

Doctor of Laws, Morgan State College
Doctor of Humanities, Central State College


1959

Doctor of Divinity, Boston University


1961

Doctor of Laws, Lincoln University
Doctor of Laws, University of Bridgeport


1962

Doctor of Civil Laws, Bard College


1963

Doctor of Letters, Keuka College


1964

Doctor of Divinity, Wesleyan College
Doctor of Laws, Jewish Theological Seminary
Doctor of Laws, Yale University
Doctor of Divinity, Springfield College


1965

Doctor of Laws, Hofstra University
Doctor of Human Letters, Oberlin College
Doctor of Social Science, Amsterdam Free University
Doctor of Divinity, St. Peter's College


1967

Doctor of Civil Law, University of New Castle Upon Tyne
Doctor of Laws, Grinnell College, Grinnell, Iowa


I hope to start my collection soon!👍

 

[Yourmother]

Hah. FYI-- I'm a white female with green eyes & blond hair. Shaniqua is the silly name I give guys at bars when they ask for my name and number --- its just a quick way to tell them to F off.
Still, that was a really low blow to pull the URM factor card, and somewhat disrespectful to any minority applicants. Until I discover otherwise, I am going to think applicants get accepted based upon merit and accomplishments only.😀
[/i]

........that's funny cause I'm Latino.....aka URM!

sike, I'm as lilly white as a slice of rainbow bread (sigh...and just as boring🙁)

 

[Beau Geste]

You're joking right? The Dr was for his doctorate in Theology from Boston U.. I agree in that he had numerous honorary degrees.

Education



Martin Luther King, Jr. began his education at the Yonge Street Elementary School in Atlanta, Georgia. Following Yonge School, he was enrolled in David T. Howard Elementary School. He also attended the Atlanta University Laboratory School and Booker T. Washington High School. Because of his high score on the college entrance examinations in his junior year of high school, he advanced to Morehouse College without formal graduation from Booker T. Washington. Having skipped both the ninth and twelfth grades, Dr. King entered Morehouse at the age of fifteen.



In 1948, he graduated from Morehouse College with a B.A. degree in Sociology. That fall, he enrolled in Crozer Theological Seminary in Chester, Pennsylvania. While attending Crozer, he also studied at the University of Pennsylvania. He was elected president of the senior class and delivered the valedictory address; he won the Pearl Plafker Award for the most outstanding student; and he received the J. Lewis Crozer fellowship for graduate study at a university of his choice. He was awarded a Bachelor of Divinity degree from Crozer in 1951.



In September of 1951, Martin Luther King began doctoral studies in Systematic Theology at Boston University. He also studied at Harvard University. His dissertation, "A Comparison of God in the Thinking of Paul Tillich and Henry Wieman," was completed in 1955, and the Ph.D. degree from Boston, a Doctorate of Philosophy in Systematic Theology, was awarded on June 5, 1955.




Honorary Degree



Dr. King was awarded honorary degrees from numerous colleges and universities in the United States and several foreign countries. They include the following:



1957

Doctor of Humane Letters, Morehouse College
Doctor of Laws, Howard University
Doctor of Divinity, Chicago Theological Seminary


1958

Doctor of Laws, Morgan State College
Doctor of Humanities, Central State College


1959

Doctor of Divinity, Boston University


1961

Doctor of Laws, Lincoln University
Doctor of Laws, University of Bridgeport


1962

Doctor of Civil Laws, Bard College


1963

Doctor of Letters, Keuka College


1964

Doctor of Divinity, Wesleyan College
Doctor of Laws, Jewish Theological Seminary
Doctor of Laws, Yale University
Doctor of Divinity, Springfield College


1965

Doctor of Laws, Hofstra University
Doctor of Human Letters, Oberlin College
Doctor of Social Science, Amsterdam Free University
Doctor of Divinity, St. Peter's College


1967

Doctor of Civil Law, University of New Castle Upon Tyne
Doctor of Laws, Grinnell College, Grinnell, Iowa


I hope to start my collection soon!👍

He was kidding. Only the biggest douchebag thinks poorly of MLK. He was a person all races should look up to. I still count the Civil Rights Museum as one of the most important historical and educational places in the US to visit (and everyone should).

Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton on the other hand...... maybe not so much.

 

[Tanner82]

Only the biggest douchebag thinks poorly of MLK. He was a person all races should look up to.

I love yah meg, but I'm going to have to disagree slightly. I think that his work as a civil rights activist was great. He preached peace and accomplished too many things to even list. That being said, I'm not too sure that MLK was good person. Now of course I never knew him and who am I to pass judgement but some of the things written about him in that NY Times bestseller last year turned some heads. (This was a big controversy at one of the local colleges b\c a professor assigned this book to read and there was a big uproar blah blah blah). Do I appreciate his work and all that he has done for civil rights, yes. He is the epitome of what a leader should be. But I do think poorly of some of his personal values. I hope that doesn't make me the biggest douchebag in your eyes 🙁

You're joking right? The Dr was for his doctorate in Theology from Boston U..

Didn't your teachers ever tell you not to quote wikipedia... its always wrong, anyone change it there..... Obviously I was joking.

 

[Beau Geste]

Naw, you're not a douchebag. I was more referring to people who put him down b/c of his color. If someone does their homework and has a problem with behaviors or ideology, that's one thing (hence why I am less than impressed with JJ and AS as stated before). But to hate someone for something they have no control over is absurd and makes you a douchebag.

 

[Tanner82]

Naw, you're not a douchebag. I was more referring to people who put him down b/c of his color. If someone does their homework and has a problem with behaviors or ideology, that's one thing (hence why I am less than impressed with JJ and AS as stated before). But to hate someone for something they have no control over is absurd and makes you a douchebag.

yes, yes it does. I don't even want to get started on JJ and AS.... Honestly they facilitate racism. I wonder if they even care about anything other then their egos. (ah you got me started!)

 

[Nickelpennykid]

I read this thread yesterday and felt compelled to write. It saddens me that the stress of applying to medical school causes some people to "put their claws out." I suppose they are able to segway their feelings of stress waiting for interviews/acceptances into taking the time to put other applicants down. Its just amusing though, that no matter how many mean comments are placed here-- the time spent is futile, it WON'T get you accepted to your top choice any quicker, and it WON'T increase your GPA or MCAT score. Just feelings get hurt.

This "gunner personality" and "intense competiveness" is what caused me to switch from applying to MD programs to DO programs. MD applicants are stereotyped to be super intense, and I just refuse to deal with it. BUT the fact that future DO students are writing ignorant and rude comments on this thread? Ugh. Please tell me where you are planning on attending next year, so I can make sure to choose my acceptance at another program.

You are really out of touch with reality if you think that the "gunner personality" is limited to MD programs. DO schools appear to have more non-trads and being out of the academic game for a bit appears to cool them off, but you cannot make broad sweeping assumptions about the types of people at the two different schools. As long as there are selective residencies there are going to be gunners. "Refusing to deal with it" is flat out not going to work, you will be confronted by it nearly every day to some degree whether you are at an MD or a DO school.

 

[Beau Geste]

yes, yes it does. I don't even want to get started on JJ and AS.... Honestly they facilitate racism. I wonder if they even care about anything other then their egos. (ah you got me started!)

Sorry about that 🙂

 

[mitawa]

Didn't your teachers ever tell you not to quote wikipedia... its always wrong, anyone change it there..... Obviously I was joking.

K! Every now and then I get a little confused with intent... it must be my age catching up with me!😉

 

[Tanner82]

K! Every now and then I get a little confused with intent... it must be my age catching up with me!😉

Yeah I've been in a sarcastic mood w\ SDN lately... the redundancy of the questions/discussions make me that way. Sorry if I got ya all worked up 😀

 

[ellinopedo182]

i think the whole idea behind recieving an MD after your name really gets to those applying for MD spots. I mean, i know 3 friends that all got into MD programs last year and just because they got a better mcat score, to me, that means squat. I remember helping every single one of those guys, tutoring them for our science classes, and remembering how they would react every time i set the curve for our classes. One kid was an early accepted student to Stritch (Loyola) and we would study together for physics where he would need to get all the help and answers from me. He even showed me his grades and he would fluctuate between 60-70% which were curved to about a B-/B average while i recieved 100% on all three of those tests we took that year. Another student did awesome the first two years of school, sure i would tutor him here and there but i had confidence in his reasoning and knowledge, but later he started going to bars rather than studying and spending most his time drunk. He still managed to keep a 3.5 science and 3.3 cum grade but studied hard to get a 33 mcat and got into an MD program in chicago. i keep in touch with him from time to time, and i asked him how classes were going and he told me that 'c's get degrees and that he was too busy going to bars than going to class (i know he goes to these bars because ironically he goes to my families bar/nightclub that is down the street).

I dont know, i just get quite irritated to see kids that do not deserve to be in med programs get accepted while others that would make amazing doctors, bring in the good grades, and take the whole education process seriously get shunned away from medical schools. Maybe its just me that feels this way, but I seem to have labeled all the MD schools as interested more in numbers than the student and if they would make a good physician. Maybe you guys can prove me wrong, i dont know. Im just speaking from my own experience.

 

[Dabyachunv]

I understand what your saying about "undeserving people" but not everyone makes it through med school, and not everyone with a do or md behind their name makes a good doctor. Sometimes our personal feelings about what we think other people deserve gets in the way of us doing whats best for us. I know a couple of people I feel that way about but I don't/won't let it distract me, you can't concern yourself with what tom dick and harry are doing, or with what other people on sdn are doing/saying. Good luck, don't harp/worry about things beyond your control.

i think the whole idea behind recieving an MD after your name really gets to those applying for MD spots. I mean, i know 3 friends that all got into MD programs last year and just because they got a better mcat score, to me, that means squat. I remember helping every single one of those guys, tutoring them for our science classes, and remembering how they would react every time i set the curve for our classes. One kid was an early accepted student to Stritch (Loyola) and we would study together for physics where he would need to get all the help and answers from me. He even showed me his grades and he would fluctuate between 60-70% which were curved to about a B-/B average while i recieved 100% on all three of those tests we took that year. Another student did awesome the first two years of school, sure i would tutor him here and there but i had confidence in his reasoning and knowledge, but later he started going to bars rather than studying and spending most his time drunk. He still managed to keep a 3.5 science and 3.3 cum grade but studied hard to get a 33 mcat and got into an MD program in chicago. i keep in touch with him from time to time, and i asked him how classes were going and he told me that 'c's get degrees and that he was too busy going to bars than going to class (i know he goes to these bars because ironically he goes to my families bar/nightclub that is down the street).

I dont know, i just get quite irritated to see kids that do not deserve to be in med programs get accepted while others that would make amazing doctors, bring in the good grades, and take the whole education process seriously get shunned away from medical schools. Maybe its just me that feels this way, but I seem to have labeled all the MD schools as interested more in numbers than the student and if they would make a good physician. Maybe you guys can prove me wrong, i dont know. Im just speaking from my own experience.