why to avoid st. matthew's university

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Trust me please, as a caribbean grad from Ross, you do no t want to throw away your time, money, and efforts with this school. I have tons of friends that went to this school, not one recommended that i send my brother to St. Matthew's. From the top of the school all the way down to faculty, they are a mess and do not give a rats ***** about you. They offer no financial aid (unless you illegally use money from an mba program to pay off your medical school tuition, even with that waste of time you will be short), they are not licensed in many states, they will keep changing rules while you remain there, and they have all sorts of legal troubles, lawsuits, etc. So they are on a nice island? If that is your reason to go there, God help you 🙂 Seriously, please look to the better schools, like ROSS, SGU, AUC, AMA, AUA, and I am sure others. This school will put you in debt or weed you out, actually both. If you think you won't fall into this category, trust me you don't want to think like that and you will wish you listened to me if you get yourself into this mess. I sent my brother there despite the warnings, and now he is in a huge bind. Help yourself and heed this advice, i am doing this only to save people the pain and agony of what my brother had to endure. Sarim
 
CaribbeanGrad,

I'm sorry to hear about your feelings and overall experience for your brother. I would be interested if he is a veterinary or medical student. I am happy to share that I am a veterinary student from St. Matthew's and am currently completing my final clinical year at NC State University. I have had an awesome experience at St. Matthew's and would not give my experience or degree up for anything. Even a degree from a US veterinary school. Again, I can not speak on behalf of the medical school however I am VERY familiar with all aspects of the veterinary school.

I would also like to point out to folks reading this thread, particularly those interested in veterinary programs that schools like AUA no longer exist. Given that fact I would feel horrible for someone that decided to put their "life" in the hands of AUA and then be left out in the cold because the school decided to terminate or post-pone their veterinary program. A recent article in DVM News Magazine referenced that AUA did not establish an alternative for any of their current students. They were left to attempt to transfer to another school.

But to share my experience about St. Matthew's University School of Veterinary Medicine. It was absolutely awesome. I have done extremely well in the veterinary program and have excelled while in my clinical year at NCSU. Despite the economy I have already secured a job, with an outstanding salary. All because of the foundation established by St. Matthew's.

I welcome anyone interested in St. Matthew's veterinary program to contact me either here or via email. ([email protected])

Joe
 
With all due respect, vet school doesn't have much to do with med school.
With med school one HAS to secure a 3-7 year residency in the US after graduation, if one wants to ever practice medicine (on humans) in the USA. If the school has suboptimal training for the USMLE I exam, or has suboptimal training for the USMLE Step 2 exams (there is one with patients and one that is "book learning") and does not have good clinical rotations set up, preferably in the US, the students are not going to do well as far as getting residencies in the U.S. I recommend if someone cannot get into one of the US MD or DO schools, only consider a few of the top few Caribbean schools, or perhaps Ireland or Australian schools, or another profession altogether.
 
With all due respect, vet school doesn't have much to do with med school.
With med school one HAS to secure a 3-7 year residency in the US after graduation, if one wants to ever practice medicine (on humans) in the USA. If the school has suboptimal training for the USMLE I exam, or has suboptimal training for the USMLE Step 2 exams (there is one with patients and one that is "book learning") and does not have good clinical rotations set up, preferably in the US, the students are not going to do well as far as getting residencies in the U.S. I recommend if someone cannot get into one of the US MD or DO schools, only consider a few of the top few Caribbean schools, or perhaps Ireland or Australian schools, or another profession altogether.

Understandable DVM does not = MD. But we have residency programs and even fellowships to become more specialized. Just figured I would offer insight on the other part of St. Matthew’s program as not to lump the two together.

J
 
Trust me please, as a caribbean grad from Ross, you do no t want to throw away your time, money, and efforts with this school. I have tons of friends that went to this school, not one recommended that i send my brother to St. Matthew's. From the top of the school all the way down to faculty, they are a mess and do not give a rats ***** about you. They offer no financial aid (unless you illegally use money from an mba program to pay off your medical school tuition, even with that waste of time you will be short), they are not licensed in many states, they will keep changing rules while you remain there, and they have all sorts of legal troubles, lawsuits, etc. So they are on a nice island? If that is your reason to go there, God help you 🙂 Seriously, please look to the better schools, like ROSS, SGU, AUC, AMA, AUA, and I am sure others. This school will put you in debt or weed you out, actually both. If you think you won't fall into this category, trust me you don't want to think like that and you will wish you listened to me if you get yourself into this mess. I sent my brother there despite the warnings, and now he is in a huge bind. Help yourself and heed this advice, i am doing this only to save people the pain and agony of what my brother had to endure. Sarim
CarribeanGrad-
I am sorry to rebunk all of the falisies that you seem to be posting here. It really is unfortunate that you feel the need to come to a public website to "blame" St. Matthew's for your brothers short comings. I have been at SMU for amost 20 months and have succeeded in every class, every semester. I have continuosly been at the top of my class and I have been doing Davenport, which I also belong to their Honor Society. And the Finacial Aid that I receive is not "illegal".

The professors are some of the best around, and since you have never been to the island or attended the school I suppose you have no real "justification" for your statements against our professors. Furthermore, perhaps your brother does not have the mental capacity to really understand medicine or to flourish in a high-paced cirriculum, something the professors can't change. Sometimes medicine is not for everyone, maybe be would be more apt to another career?

Also, our school is lisenced and accredited in almost every state, and those states that are not may make exception depending on Step scores and where you did clinicals. Also, SMU is one of the only Caribbean schools which offers fantastic clinical locations including those at John Hopkins University. Im not sure JHU would take our students if we were so "terrible".

Also, the fact that the cirriculum has gotten harder in the last few semesters is simply because the Step is becoming more difficult and the school legitimately wants students to pass on the first try. It does no good to the students to let them pass all the way through 5 semesters and then have them fail step. That my friend is a waste of money.

I am sorry that you have such poor feeling toward our school (which ultimately I have proven unwarranted), but like I said, perhaps it is your brother and not the school.
 
YouareIgnorant, I'm glad that you are showing that hard work pays off. Unfortunately some will have bad experiences while others have the opposite. I often wonder how people that have bad experiences would have operated in a US medical school? I certainly would not have been a walk in the park, that's for certain.

Regarding the Davenport funding, I often wondered how this was not slightly illegal. Do you use it towards your living expenses, or towards actual tuition? I know its a "gray" area.
 
These threads are like open wounds that won't heal. The bottom line is that Carib schools (especially Med Schools) are a mixed bag:

1. They accept people who cannot get into a US medical school. Whether you see this as "giving deserving people who messed up their GPA / can't do well on the MCAT a second chance" or "leeching tuition off of desperate students who can't get into US medical schools" depends on how you view the situation.

2. Top performers in Carib schools will likely do fine.

3. Middle performers, and especially those at the bottom of their class, may not do fine and find that matching into a residency becomes impossible.

4. Failing a class, or worse failing a step, is often an unrecoverable event. However, students retake, pass, and then think everything will be OK, and it might not be.

5. A reasonable percentage of all carib schools fail out in the first 2 years.

6. If you fail out of med school, or can't match to a residency, you really have no options. A partial MD is of no value. An MD without a residency is also of very limited value.

7. If you fail out of school, or can't find a residency because of poor performance, your loans are non-dischargable. You will have them forever, and paying them off is very difficult.

8. Most IMG's will find it difficult to get more competitive specialties. Best to plan for IM/FM/Peds/Psych/Path etc. If you work really hard, do incredibly well on the USMLE, and get good rotations, you might have a chance at Anesthesia, Surgery, Rads, etc. But I wouldn't count on it.

9. US med schools have increased their class size, while residency spots are remaining relatively flat. It may be that as time goes forward, that IMG's will have further trouble getting even IM and FM spots.

So: Going to a Carib school is an uphill process. You need to work harder and be better than your US colleagues to do well. Carib schools often tout their successes, and ignore the (relatively) large number of students who never make it to graduation, are only able to get a prelim spot, or not match at all. Getting in is not the challenge -- it's getting out with a degree and residency spot.

On the issue of St Matthews:

1. To the poster stating that they have rotations with JHU, that sounds completely unbelievable. On St M's website they state that students have been able to do "electives" at a large number of institutions, including JHU. That might mean that one student, who had a connection, did a rotation there. Or, someone did a rotation at one of JHU's community sites. But to suggest that St M's students regularly rotate at JHU is crazy hyperbole, and honestly is part of the problem with this whole discussion.

2. The Davenport program is very troubling. They are associated with a few Carib MD degrees. If I understand correctly, you enroll as an MBA student doing only online coursework. They then give you federal financial aid -- more than you actually need, so you can then use the rest to help pay your med school tuition. This seems so wrong and illegal, I can't imagine it would be OK if investigated. And if so, everyone who participates would be at risk of being found liable. Trying to pass blame to the school will be pointless -- you signed the forms, you can see it was wrong. And it's not like you can really say you didn't "understand" it -- you're in medical school, more is expected of you than the common public.
 
Post above is so SPOT ON. It's exactly as aprogdirector said. 100% agree as a Carib IMG that successfully matched and survived through the risky process. It's a last ditch effort, especially now as the gap between US grads (MD or DO) and residency spots closes.

Anyone considering going IMG had better talk to those who've successfully survived the process before they jump on the IMG ship.
 
I agree with the above posts discussing the problems with SMU. Everyone's experience is different, and certainly the vet school has a better reputation than the med school.

I want you to imagine having a strong academic record, making it through 3 years of massive tuition payments and receiving stellar praise and letters of recommendation, only to be academically dismissed for failure to pass a shelf exam by one point. They can also dismiss you for failing to sign up for the USMLE Step 1 by a certain date. It has happened to students, even with stellar records.

If you can find no other option than SMU, consider PA school or DO school. If you do decide to consider SMU, talk to actual SMU students, do some extra research, and make sure you have applied to other schools. Don't just apply to one school or settle on SMU because it was the only school that said yes to you. It has its problems, and I would hate for you to spend so much money on the school, only to be academically dismissed due to policies that have nothing to do with academics.
 
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Some of the SMU students I knew (way back when) were those who were failing/dropped-out of Ross and transferred.

-Skip
 
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NOTE TO VICTIMS OF THIS FOR-PROFIT INSTITUTION, if you are seeking reparations for the unprofessional conduct and deliberate violations of student rights incurred while attending SMU, I will personally join your quest to seek justice. I can provide factual evidence detailing acts of misconduct and would be honored to have a qualified and willing advocate who can stand up to these alleged professionals. Dr. Crocker, remember how you said you were invincible? I am about to give you a reality check sir. Please contact me at [email protected] Yes this is a public forum, yes I gave away my name. Watch and learn.

Oh, my... This was really not very wise.

-Skip
 
In regards to St. Matthew’s University, if you are planning to attend this medical school there are some things you should definitely know before you invest your mind, time, and money. I will tell you how it really is there and what you really need to know. First let’s talk about the Cayman Island itself, then I will discuss the medical school and other things I learned while I was there. Please listen to me before you or your family make the final decision.

The Island (people, transportation, food, atmosphere, entertainment): The people in the Caymans are very friendly and a lot of tourists visit this island either by plane or by ship. It receives 3 to 4 ships a week twice a week on average. It is very expensive to live there and getting around can be a challenge as well. I lived off campus near the residence hall, utilized a bike, and it usually took about 10 minutes to get to school. I would recommend that if you are going to use a bike, buy it when you get there. You can buy new at Uncle Bill’s which could cost you up to 400 CI for a really good bike. If you want to purchase used, there is a pawn shop in Georgetown that will sell you a good one. There is also taxi service and a bus system which continuously travel up and down Seven Mile Beach. The bus service will cost you 2 CI one way. The food markets are very nice; just like the ones in the United States but much more expensive. The two markets we used were Kirks and Fosters. Between the two, Fosters was cheaper and just as good. You can pretty much get all the same products as you can in the United States. The Caymans have a lot of nice restaurants as well as a Wendy’s, Burger King, Pizza Hut, Subway, etc. No McDonald’s. They also have 3 home improvement store for items you cannot purchase at the food market. They have a movie theater at Camana Bay as well as a lot of liquor stores, dive shops, and bars. As far as the atmosphere, there are a lot of beautiful beaches. There are a lot of chickens, roosters, and iguanas roaming the streets and trash is seen heavily on the sides of the roads. With tourism as one of their main revenues, one would think the government would do better with keeping the streets clean.

The University (residence and school building): As a first semester student you will be required to live in the Student Halls (except if married or if you bring a pet) which is about 2.5 miles south of the school. You will find that many students will help you with books, notes, etc. The Student Hall is not owned by St. Matthew’s but privately owned by an individual. In fact, it was once a hotel and is quite run down. St. Matthews leases two of the six business buildings owned by Regatta. The other four buildings are occupied by a bank, a cellular service company, and other companies. It feels nothing like a “University“. As a student of St. Matthew’s you will be required to wear a uniform. If you are not dressed correctly they will make you go home and change. This may have something to do with the Cayman government requirements for the student visa. It never really bothered me; just different. As far as the student visa, there is a representative there that will assist the student every six months to renew. However, it will cost you about 92 CI every 6 months. As a new student you will be orientated the first day of class. You will also be required to perform in their “White Coat Event” in which an upper semester student will put a white coat on you. This maybe traditional but really is a waste of time.

Students and the first two weeks: Students at this school have varying levels of education ~ recent graduates, Master’s degrees, PhD’s, and other doctorate degrees. During the two weeks, you will be required to pass a quiz on the handbook and pass a test on medical terminology. Also expect to hear a 4 hour lecture on how to take notes after four or more years of college. For me it was 8 years.

Academics: The professors have varying backgrounds ~ Masters, PhD’s, and MDs. I wonder if those with MDs have actually practiced any length of time. Also, why are they there and not practicing medicine? I don’t know any of which are actually practicing on the island so it’s a mixed bag. That being said, which doesn’t matter, they are very knowledgeable and do a great job. Here’s the challenge: as the student you will be bombarded with material via PowerPoint. There are four block exams; one every three weeks. The block exams are comprehensive and weighted differently. Your block exams for each subject will all be on the same day for each block. The key to remember is they are comprehensive as you go through each block (1 thru 4). Anything below a 70% on a block exam is a fail. At the end of the semester you will have a shelf exam in which you must score at least 30% or you fail the whole class. They set the bar so high because they need excellent NBME and USMLE Step 1 scores; this is fine but at the expense of the student. There are really good students there. The problem is for example in second semester when the student is trying to take three very hard classes out four classes at one time (biochemistry, genetics, physiology), it is difficult for the student to balance all three. Most end up dropping one to save the other two. So instead of attending 5 semesters, it’s now 6 semesters and so on if one continues to drop a class.

Enrollment Numbers Dropping: There are less than 75 medical students total at St. Matthew’s among semesters 1 through 5. St. Matthew’s enrollment has dropped over the last few years; the last year dropping by 50%. Total new student enrollment: 2010 – 117, 2011 – 152, 2012 – 139, 2013 – 116, 2014 – 68, 2015 – 37 thus far. The entering class in the summer 2015 was 11 students. As you can see there is a significant decrease in the numbers. It makes one wonder if there is a lack of funding from lending institutions.

Keeping Their Doors Open: It also makes one wonder if there is a correlation between the lack of funding and the recycling of students throughout semesters. Eight of the 24 students in the January 2015 class had to repeat one or two of the classes from Semester 1. A student can get through this program however it will most likely take more than 5 semesters. So what happens if their enrollment continues to drop? Will they close the doors? Let’s say you’re at the fifth semester or in your clinical rotations and this happens. You would no longer be associated to St. Matthews. You would need to transfer schools to be able to graduate. That is a lot of time, money, and energy invested to be put at a full stop. This can and will happen if the enrollment numbers continue to drop. As for me, I left this school because from my perspective it is a bad business deal. I would hate to know that I invested $200K+ and they folded before I was safely across the finish line. I was making A’s and B’s on my quizzes and blocks. My decision was strictly a business decision. I hope this is helpful in your decision making. Just remember St. Matthew’s is a business like any other business. They can go under and they will if they do not change their practices.
 
Dear leatherneck; Nice up to date posting. The issue is: ALL Caribbean Medical Schools are 'businesses'! So there is a double edged sword here. Make $$s but obtain graduates residency positions. Thus the quality of applicant and matriculant is on the lower tier. Thus the #s game of making $$s in the first few semesters comes into play. But now the applicants are seeing passing each semester no matter which school is very difficult, gee, just like US med schools... What a surprise! To hear you expound on taking 3 hard courses in a semester is 'nothing' new. It is part of each schools curriculum. I can speak for myself as a 40 year ago US med grad and my son a grad of SMU in 2010. He is now a boarded FM doc in NYC doing Urgent Care. He graduated in 4 years, on time BUT he studied his a-- off for the 16 months on the island. But things change over the last 5 years sort of. In his initial class of May 2006 there were 88 matriculants. At May 2010 graduation only 24 made it through. Or 1 out of 4. Of those 24, less became licensed to practice the art of medicine, I'd say 12 or so. So the view point is any Caribbean school only offers you a "last" opportunity to become a MD. You either make the cut off before med school as in US or try to stay in off shore med school to graduate. THAN hope to be accepted into a residency. ALL in all an uphill fight.
 
Congrads to you and your son and thank you for your insight. For myself, I already had a great career but St. Matthews was a bad business decision for me personally.

Semper Fi,

Leatherneck
 
There. Fixed that for you.

So are all not-for-profit hospitals. People providing healthcare are no longer in it for the "greater good". None of them. Trust me. I live it every day.

-Skip
Exactly. While my school is cashing my tuition checks, I'm not interested in hearing about how my salary shouldn't matter
 
Enrollment Numbers Dropping: There are less than 75 medical students total at St. Matthew’s among semesters 1 through 5. St. Matthew’s enrollment has dropped over the last few years; the last year dropping by 50%. Total new student enrollment: 2010 – 117, 2011 – 152, 2012 – 139, 2013 – 116, 2014 – 68, 2015 – 37 thus far. The entering class in the summer 2015 was 11 students. As you can see there is a significant decrease in the numbers. It makes one wonder if there is a lack of funding from lending institutions.
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Can I ask - where did you source the enrollment numbers from? Cannot seem to find this anywhere
Many Thanks
G
 
How I got my numbers was by evaluating new class photographs from 2010 to 2015 (summer). You will need to goggle St. Matthews Stingray Photography. 75 students maybe on the high end. This information was not revealed to me until I was actually there on the island. Good luck with your decision.

Leatherneck
 
How I got my numbers was by evaluating new class photographs from 2010 to 2015 (summer). You will need to goggle St. Matthews Stingray Photography. 75 students maybe on the high end. This information was not revealed to me until I was actually there on the island. Good luck with your decision.

Leatherneck
It's important to remember that SMU is a part of the the R3Education group which includes Saba, MUA Nevis and SMU. There continues to be court action by the original Founders of SMU with the group who did the Corporate Hostile Takeover of SMU in 2001. The latest action was filed in 2013. The Action is very strong and as you can see, they (R3Ed) started to move students AWAY FROM SMU and TO Saba and MUA. As of April 2016, the Belize Supreme Court has Ordered for the Official Investigation of SMU on behave of the Minority Shareholders. SMU is not going under, they are just scared of this court action and are trying to hide assets.
I am one of the original Founders of SMU. If you would like to have details information to get a copy of the Sealed Court Order, PM me.
 
It's important to remember that SMU is a part of the the R3Education group which includes Saba, MUA Nevis and SMU. There continues to be court action by the original Founders of SMU with the group who did the Corporate Hostile Takeover of SMU in 2001. The latest action was filed in 2013. The Action is very strong and as you can see, they (R3Ed) started to move students AWAY FROM SMU and TO Saba and MUA. As of April 2016, the Belize Supreme Court has Ordered for the Official Investigation of SMU on behave of the Minority Shareholders. SMU is not going under, they are just scared of this court action and are trying to hide assets.
I am one of the original Founders of SMU. If you would like to have details information to get a copy of the Sealed Court Order, PM me.


Anyone crazy enough to go to a for profit school that is mired in litigation is likely to get what they deserve.
An admission of Hiding assets from a founder... Oh yes, totally normal behavior for a legitimate business.


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Il Destriero
 
Anyone crazy enough to go to a for profit school that is mired in litigation is likely to get what they deserve.
An admission of Hiding assets from a founder... Oh yes, totally normal behavior for a legitimate business.


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Il Destriero
You have misunderstood my posting, as one of the original founders who had SMU stolen by the current owners, I am stating the current owners are trying to hide assets from the us, the original founders.
 
You have misunderstood my posting, as one of the original founders who had SMU stolen by the current owners, I am stating the current owners are trying to hide assets from the us, the original founders.
as founder.....since it's hard to get real numbers elsewhere.....can you show evidence of the % of matriculating students who start a US residency 4yrs later at the schools your group owns?
 
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