Why white coat ceremony in dental school?

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I am in private practice and sometimes wear a white coat. Reasons such as: I am sometimes cold, I dont want to get bodily fluids all over my arms, I have pockets in the coat, etc. This could be a Seinfeld episode but quit worrying so much about the white coat FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
rrc said:
I am in private practice and sometimes wear a white coat. Reasons such as: I am sometimes cold, I dont want to get bodily fluids all over my arms, I have pockets in the coat, etc. This could be a Seinfeld episode but quit worrying so much about the white coat FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!

A white coat is not adquate barrier protection for body fluids.
 
The pockets are great! I can carry my iPod, cell phone, wallet, and a granola bar in the two main hip pockets. Pens and markers go in the chest pocket. It keeps me warm when the lab is cold :clap:
 
omfsres said:
I just read one of the posts about a white coat ceremony and it got me thinking. What is the reasoning for this. How many practicing dentists do you guys know that wear white coats around their offices? If they do they're a douche bag. They might as well pop the collar, spike the hair and introduce themselves as Dr. Hotti. In the medical world this makes more sense. Most Docs wear their coat around the hospital, it has their name and specialty embroidered on it. It is appropriate for hospital use, and bottom line, most patients expect you to have one. You can even carry little books, a tuning fork, hammer, stethoscope with ease. What is a dentist going to do, carry some impression material and a perio probe?

I understand the symbolism and everything, but I don't feel a white coat is the correct choice for this. Maybe we should have a white smock ceremony or a disposible clinic jacket ceremony. Personally, I like the old school smock. You know the one that is short sleeved and has the high collar. The buttons that go up on the far left side, a la Steve Martin on Little Shop of Horrors. Why does there need to be yet another profession that wears the long white coat. Think about it, MDs, PT, respiratory therapy, CRNAs, nurses, PAs, butchers, the list goes on and on.

Finally I think it just goes on to perpetuate the wanna be MD stereotype we are constantly bombarded with.

That's a good question. Truth is, the majority of dentists in the past (meaning late 19th century until the early 1970s) commonly wore a white coat inside their offices and clinics. Comfort and convenience superceded tradition after the early 1970s. Dentists were so mobile in their offices, going from operatory to operatory, that shorter, more breathable clinic jackets became popular. You will see these today on many dentists (lighter weight than white coats, usually blue in color, snap button fronts, elastic wrist bands extending over the base of hand per OSHA regulations). However, you will still find a dentist here or there who prefers to wear the traditional white coat. Personally, I prefer the clinic jacket. It's more comfortable, embroidered with names and specialties just like the white coat, and it keeps MDs from getting a little too nervous about what we're doing over in our profession.

Of course, the simplest answer to the question you raised is that dental white coat ceremonies, just like all other white coat ceremonies, are purely symbolic. There is no actual transfer of any authority, knowledge, or power to heal when someone places the caot on your shoulders. It is simply the symbol of passing into an esteemed profession, from one who in the past has been served by health care to now one who will serve others through health care from this day forward. It will only carry as much significance to the individual as that individual places him/herself on the notion of professionalism and service to one's community.
 
i wear a lab coat because

1) i am deathly afraid of coldness
2) i don't want gunk on my normal clothes
 
mdub said:
District attorneys are going to start wearing white coats.

Why not, they are "doctors" too -- Doctors of Jurisprudence (JD). 🙂 My dentist wears a blue (dark blue) wrap-around smock-thingy that kinda looks like Dr. Crusher's smock from ST:TNG. I think it's cool. Since a dentist actually does pretty intense and invasive work with patients, why not wear something like a lab coat? Who cares?

I am not sure why optometrists, chiros, or PTs would need lab coats, however, since they really don't do any type of invasive dirty work involving blood, saliva, etc., to necessitate wearing one. I'm a psychiatrist and never wear one. Even when I did IM, I didn't like wearing one, unless I was working/rounding in a hospital.

Downside to wearing lab coats: too many stains (easy to see on white) and can be too warm at times! 😱
Upside: protects your clothes and no-ironing!
 
Dr.BadVibes said:
Personally I think the white coat ceremony is utterly gay....we are having ours at Temple next week and I think people are making a big deal about it and I just think its ******ed.

I also hate when douchebags in my class wear their white coats to lecture when we have nothing clinical to do that day. Its quite sad and they should possibly consult a professional therapist to take care of their insecurities.

yeah, we had them in our class too. They'd show up to lecture with white coats buttoned up when there was no patient care that day. I think the reason is two fold: (1), people who do this have a big ego and want to feel more important than they really are, and (2), they want good letters of recommendation, and these letters are probably based more on faculty perception than anything else. I remember seeing a few kids from my class walking around the local mall with white coats trying to pick up chicks. Funny thing is it actually worked a lot of the time, but they're still douchebags.
 
I agree with omfsres and dr bad vibes. I think white coat ceremony is stupid for anything but MD. If your not MD don't pretend to be. They are making such a big deal of it at our school for no reason 🙄
 
backaction said:
...I remember seeing a few kids from my class walking around the local mall with white coats trying to pick up chicks...
God please tell me you're kidding.
 
DrTacoElf said:
I agree with omfsres and dr bad vibes. I think white coat ceremony is stupid for anything but MD. If your not MD don't pretend to be. They are making such a big deal of it at our school for no reason 🙄

What does it have to be with being an MD? People wear white coats in O-Chem lab in undergrad...

Pretty much every dental resident and clinical professor at my school wears a white coat. Are they all trying to act like MDs? Give me a break.
 
WildcatDMD said:
What does it have to be with being an MD? People wear white coats in O-Chem lab in undergrad...

Pretty much every dental resident and clinical professor at my school wears a white coat. Are they all trying to act like MDs? Give me a break.

Can't you see, it's a big conspiracy, Wildcat! Although these other health professionals have chosen other fields of study, they are all dying to be MDs...with lower salaries, the headaches of managed care, and liability premiums through the roof. We're all desperate to be seen as pseudo-MDs. Aren't you? Oh wait, if we wanted that, we could have just gone to medical school. Nevermind. I guess I'll just settle for the white coat. 😀
 
The TX OMS said:


I love it. I remember the few douch-drips that used to wear their white coats to class......The white coat ceremony is weak. I went to one for med school a while back....never been a med school class in my life....just showed up for the white coat ceremony in the little monkey suite (short white coat).....the med students were like who the fluff is this kid......HAH! 😀
 
Don't get me wrong, all I'm saying is that it is nowhere near uncommon, nor pretentious, nor a display of a desire to "act" like an MD, for a dentist to wear a white coat. However, the white coat ceremony IS ******ed. Especially as a first-year.. no matter MD, DO, DDS, DMD, DPM, DVM... as a first year you shouldn't be recognized for anything except the ridiculous lack of knowledge you possess. What does it symbolize?... congratulations, you have a lot to learn in a short period of time? Congratulations, eventually you will be given the opportunity to get blood and saliva (possibly ****/urine/vomit/other horrible bodily fluids if you are MD, DO, DVM) on your clothes? What an honor. 🙂
 
WildcatDMD said:
Don't get me wrong, all I'm saying is that it is nowhere near uncommon, nor pretentious, nor a display of a desire to "act" like an MD, for a dentist to wear a white coat. However, the white coat ceremony IS ******ed. Especially as a first-year.. no matter MD, DO, DDS, DMD, DPM, DVM... as a first year you shouldn't be recognized for anything except the ridiculous lack of knowledge you possess. What does it symbolize?... congratulations, you have a lot to learn in a short period of time? Congratulations, eventually you will be given the opportunity to get blood and saliva (possibly ****/urine/vomit/other horrible bodily fluids if you are MD, DO, DVM) on your clothes? What an honor. 🙂

I agree and I think thats my main issue with it. Its WAY too early so in my mind it symbolizes nothing right now.
 
The problem with white coats is that.....

wait for it....



WAIT FOR IT.....






EVERYBODY AND THEIR FREAKING BROTHER WEARS IT!


The doctor wears it
The NPs wear it
The RNs wear it
The CNAs wear it
The LPNs wear it
The medical assistants wear it
The dentist wears it
The pharmacist wears it
The chiropractor wears it
The OR tech wears it
The RNFA wears it
The surg tech wears it
The psychologist wears it
The orderly wears it
The receptionist lady wears it

The question is not "who wears the white coat" but "who does NOT wear the white coat." If dentists want everybody to know they are dentists, they should all wear red coats instead. If you wear a white coat, somebody might mistake you for a NURSE!

Doctors should wear blue coats....

Dentists wear red coats....

Let all the other punks fight it out for the white coats....
 
WildcatDMD said:
Don't get me wrong, all I'm saying is that it is nowhere near uncommon, nor pretentious, nor a display of a desire to "act" like an MD, for a dentist to wear a white coat. However, the white coat ceremony IS ******ed. Especially as a first-year.. no matter MD, DO, DDS, DMD, DPM, DVM... as a first year you shouldn't be recognized for anything except the ridiculous lack of knowledge you possess. What does it symbolize?... congratulations, you have a lot to learn in a short period of time? Congratulations, eventually you will be given the opportunity to get blood and saliva (possibly ****/urine/vomit/other horrible bodily fluids if you are MD, DO, DVM) on your clothes? What an honor. 🙂

Some dental students begin seeing patients in clinics in their second year, so it is more meaningful if the white coats are given to them just prior to that patient contact.
 
DrTacoElf said:
I agree and I think thats my main issue with it. Its WAY too early so in my mind it symbolizes nothing right now.

Once again, for some dental students the significance comes quickly...if they begin seeing patients early in their dental educations. Perhaps you are/were at a dental school that did not allow students to see patients until the end of their training, so the white coat means/meant less to you when it is/was given.
 
Don't overlook the obvious - white coats do have some utilitarian uses - they're good for when I'm cold or I have too much crap to fit in my pants pockets.
 
hmm... i think having the ceremony is just something to welcome you into a health care profession. my school just started that last year for the new incoming class.

we're actually required to wear white coats at school over our scrubs during lecture and most dentists i know wear a white coat over their clothes when working and a few wear scrubs. i have never seen a 'smock' type coat before.. i guess they don't exist where i live. but i definitely don't think that white coats are reserved for MDs only.
 
2thCrazy said:
Once again, for some dental students the significance comes quickly...if they begin seeing patients early in their dental educations. Perhaps you are/were at a dental school that did not allow students to see patients until the end of their training, so the white coat means/meant less to you when it is/was given.
Find us a dental school that has you seeing patients the first week of class, and then we'll talk. 😉
 
This thread reminds me of high school. Remember your first year of high school when all the seniors would pick on the freshman? Kind of the same thing here; "We are the big experienced seniors that know everything and we are the only ones who should get to wear a white coat, You are just stupid little D1s that don't know anything about dentistry", "Why should you get a white coat like me? It's not fair." Come on, grow up already. You are only a few years ahead of those of us just starting.
 
UtahDDS said:
This thread reminds me of high school. Remember your first year of high school when all the seniors would pick on the freshman? Kind of the same thing here; "We are the big experienced seniors that know everything and we are the only ones who should get to wear a white coat, You are just stupid little D1s that don't know anything about dentistry", "Why should you get a white coat like me? It's not fair." Come on, grow up already. You are only a few years ahead of those of us just starting.

Yes, that is exactly what it is like [it is like high school, but MUCH worse.. you are with the SAME 100 people EVERY day, all day long... you will know everything about them, their relationships, grades, hand skills, social skills, personal hygiene (not always the best... even oral hygiene)... etc... and they will know the same about you. It's disgusting. High school is much more mature]. And, yes we do know a lot more (about dentistry) and have been through a lot more torture. Of course you will be here soon, too. All I was saying was that it seems strange to have a ceremony as a 1st year, before you have even learned anything or been given any treatment privileges. We had a "pinning" ceremony 1st year... it was kind of pathetic (we had already been given our 2 white coats unceremoniously from the supply store)... Anyway, it was the same thing, we took some form of the Hippocratic Oath, which is fine… it just seemed a bit of poor timing since we didn't even pick up a handpiece for 5 months after that.

No one was trying to get preachy or high and mighty. I actually think the white coat ceremony is pretty cool. I also think it should be done just before we begin clinic. It would have some meaning and there would be some feeling of accomplishment (surviving 2 years of the joys of dental school and having the faculty actually let you take a syringe full of 2% xylo 1:100k epi and 330 bur to someone's mouth).
 
UtahDDS said:
This thread reminds me of high school. Remember your first year of high school when all the seniors would pick on the freshman? Kind of the same thing here; "We are the big experienced seniors that know everything and we are the only ones who should get to wear a white coat, You are just stupid little D1s that don't know anything about dentistry", "Why should you get a white coat like me? It's not fair." Come on, grow up already. You are only a few years ahead of those of us just starting.
Nobody here said anything about being stupid, but the fact remains that you *don't* know anything about dentistry when you start. It's symbolic and it feels good and it's a nice photo op for mom & dad, but let's not wax too romantic about how much substance the ceremony contains.
 
i like to wax idiotic :laugh:

(at our school, rising juniors get the mighty white cape of power before they enter the clinic, which seems to me to be the correct time)
 
Well why do MDs wear white coats? Just for the big pockets?

The real question is why are omfsres and txomfs still trolling SDN after... Hmm how many years now? You have to be close to finishing your residencies by now. Well kids if you ever wanted to know what the life of an OMFsurgeon is like here ya go. You hang out on a predent forum for hours everyday starting flame wars. Awesome! 👍

Oh yea, and they imagine themselves as characters on TV hospital dramas like Grey's Anatomy, or House. I can't think of anything more absurd........except the OMFS resident walking to lunch with with disposable shoe covers still on.
 
aphistis said:
Find us a dental school that has you seeing patients the first week of class, and then we'll talk. 😉

Good luck on that one! :laugh:
 
aphistis said:
Nobody here said anything about being stupid, but the fact remains that you *don't* know anything about dentistry when you start. It's symbolic and it feels good and it's a nice photo op for mom & dad, but let's not wax too romantic about how much substance the ceremony contains.

Obviously, the ceremony has more meaning if it occurs immediately prior to clinic work. That is the case at my school...in the summer before you begin your second year.
 
I love my white coat...I remember feeling good on the day of our ceremony about it...and then complaining a few months later along with 100 other people when they made us wear it in lab when it felt like it was about 90 degrees...

Overall, I think that it is a good idea, but agree with the majority of you who think that the timing of the ceremony could be a lot better to make it more meaningful.
 
I'm surprised to see this old post. All Doctors and scientist wear white coats. Dentists are Doctors. They DIAGNOSE oral diseases and treat them With drugs or surgery. Ok. Exit.
 
I'm surprised to see this old post. All Doctors and scientist wear white coats. Dentists are Doctors. They DIAGNOSE oral diseases and treat them With drugs or surgery. Ok. Exit.
I'm surprised you resurrected a 9-year old thread for apparently no reason.
 
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