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All to run against a reality tv star who wears makeup.
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and I said, yes. As soon as I decided I was going to vote there, I changed my address and got a new ID and registered to vote.
Stop pretending I didn't answer just because you don't like the answer
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A libertarian wants a government issued ID?
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A libertarian wants anyone who thinks they get a say in how to aim the absurdly bloated govt to prove they actually meet the requirements to have a say?
Yes
Nothing wrong with wearing makeup.
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Fair enough. Now that these laws are well publicized and with on campus voter drives hopefully they will have less of an effect.
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So we’ll create another bureau that will require personnel and funding? It’s funny how your libertarian ideals get a little soft when it benefits you.
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Absolutely not, but he could flaunt it a little better with some sass. Maybe try a different shade of eyeshadow now and then.
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My ideals are just fine despite your fascination with them, I'm libertarian, not an anarchist. It is a completely appropriate function of govt to verify the identity of those claiming to be voters and absurd to propose otherwise.
I'm partial to amethyst.
This is one of the reasons why I cannot grade him A or A+.
The "just get an ID" thinking is so privileged.
So I guess you think that homeless people shouldn’t be able to vote, people who have been in foster care who have lost documents or no permanent address shouldn’t be able to vote, people who are poor and can’t afford the fee to pay for an ID shouldn’t be able to vote, etc.
It’s especially horrific that Native Americans who have been here longer than anyone are denied the right to vote since their reservations don’t have addresses, thus they’re unable to obtain IDs in certain states.
I really don’t understand why one of the most basic concepts of a democracy, the ability to vote, is still so political these days.
I guess since white men in this country have had the right to vote since the beginning of the "founding" of this country, it’s hard for them to "get it" about the rest of us.
So I guess you think that homeless people shouldn’t be able to vote, people who have been in foster care who have lost documents or no permanent address shouldn’t be able to vote, people who are poor and can’t afford the fee to pay for an ID shouldn’t be able to vote, etc.
It’s especially horrific that Native Americans who have been here longer than anyone are denied the right to vote since their reservations don’t have addresses, thus they’re unable to obtain IDs in certain states.
I really don’t understand why one of the most basic concepts of a democracy, the ability to vote, is still so political these days.
I guess since white men in this country have had the right to vote since the beginning of the "founding" of this country, it’s hard for them to "get it" about the rest of us.
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And I do it just fine right now without some costly national ID.
So who is going to pay for your national ID? Or is that yet another thing I will have to pay $75 every 2 years for? And how many people making $35k a year are going to pay $75 to exercise their right to vote?
A college student living out of state can mail in an absentee ballot to their home state. There really is no need to change your driver's license and residency in order to register in the new state, unless you wish to do that for other reasons (like qualifying for in-state tuition, scholarship, etc) You go to your home state's government website and request a form be mailed to you. You fill it out and drop it in the US mail. It only requires you to think ahead and give a small lead time for the mail.
Yeah i'm upset about this too
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Save us the dramatics. Yes, people who want to determine the direction of the govt should have to prove they have an appropriate claim to be a voter. Even the white guys should have to have IDs so stop the racism claims. I'm fine with the notion that a voter ID should be free, but even if they aren't, a govt ID is not absurdly expensive. Native Americans have a right to vote, they are not barred from voting.
If you pay $75 every 2 years for an ID it's because your state sucks.
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that's not currently true
Being homeless undoubtedly brings many hardships. In order to vote, one needs a non PO Box mailing address. A local homeless shelter is an acceptable mailing address. Perhaps they can register with that address. I'm not saying that they must continue to live there forever, but they could use that as a location.
One living on a rural Indian Reservation may not have an actual street address for their home. Again, there needs to be a non PO Box mailing address. How does one receive US Mail deliveries on the reservation? Is there a small post office? Does the post office have an address? Perhaps they can register with that address. If not, the tribe should designate one building on the reservation with an address for the residents to use for voting.
Problems exist. Solutions should be sought. Where there's a will, there's a way.
One living on a rural Indian Reservation may not have an actual street address for their home. Again, there needs to be a non PO Box mailing address. How does one receive US Mail deliveries on the reservation? Is there a small post office? Does the post office have an address? Perhaps they can register with that address. If not, the tribe should designate one building on the reservation with an address for the residents to use for voting.
Problems exist. Solutions should be sought. Where there's a will, there's a way.
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If not, you aren’t disenfranchised. You can early vote by mail in your home town. When you are in college, your parent’s address is your permanent residence and voting there is appropriate.
I don't think requiring voter ID is outlandish. Shall I make a list of things that require an ID? I'll do an abridged version.
Buying liquor.
Buying Sudafed.
Buying a cell phone.
Picking up a narcotic prescription.
Renting a car.
Having your car battery jumped by AAA.
Flying in a plane.
Taking out a library book.
Cashing a check.
Buying cigarettes
Opening a bank account
Applying for welfare
Applying for food stamps
Applying for Medicaid/Medicare
Applying for Social Security
Applying for a job
Applying for unemployment
Renting an apartment
Applying for a mortgage
Buying a car
Buying a gun
Getting marriage license
Adopting a pet
Getting a hotel room
Buying a hunting or fishing license
Entering a casino
Getting a protest/rally permit
Renting a "M" rated video
Donating blood.
Buying liquor.
Buying Sudafed.
Buying a cell phone.
Picking up a narcotic prescription.
Renting a car.
Having your car battery jumped by AAA.
Flying in a plane.
Taking out a library book.
Cashing a check.
Buying cigarettes
Opening a bank account
Applying for welfare
Applying for food stamps
Applying for Medicaid/Medicare
Applying for Social Security
Applying for a job
Applying for unemployment
Renting an apartment
Applying for a mortgage
Buying a car
Buying a gun
Getting marriage license
Adopting a pet
Getting a hotel room
Buying a hunting or fishing license
Entering a casino
Getting a protest/rally permit
Renting a "M" rated video
Donating blood.
"Privileged": Newspeak for "rational."
The number of such people is minuscule relative to the general population. An ID requirement to vote can only be considered an extreme requirement by irrational people or those with agendas to - for one reason or another - court such voters.
Not every American Indian lives on a reservation. For those who do... well, things don't translate exactly from American civil law to tribal law, and vice versa. That's the entire point of reservations. In one sentence, you have two points duking it out with each other.
Perhaps because the Democratic modus operandi is pretty easy to spot:
1. Liberalize requirements for voting capability
1a. Facilitate option for automatic voter registration upon receipt of driver's license, and allow illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses. See: California.
2. Import tens of millions of immigrants from cultures less individualistic, more redistributionist, and less interested in founding American ideals than Americans.
2a. Allow floods of illegal aliens into the country with the recognition that upon achievement of critical mass, there will be pressure to grant them citizenship.
3. Win elections forever.
Ah, yes. It's always about that. Racial grievance.
Maybe you should see someone for that.
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The fact is that all citizens have a right to vote. You can be a homeless illiterate schizophrenic drug addict and you still have a say in our democracy. And their vote counts as much as the CEO of Exxon’s vote. Voter ID laws restrict this fundamental right for many of the most vulnerable people. Voting is not just for people who pay taxes or have resources.
lol, I love how credulous people are when it's some other group they don't care about getting discriminated against. You can bury your head and ignore Georgia, but do you expect us to believe that all these are coincidences too?
This is what a I posted a month ago but you may have not seen it
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North Carolina
In 2013, the state House passed a bill that requires voters to show a photo ID issued by North Carolina, a passport, or a military identification card to begin in 2016. Out-of-state drivers licenses were to be accepted only if the voter registered within 90 days of the election, and university photo identification was not acceptable.[61] In July 2016, a three-judge panel of the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals reversed a trial court decision in a number of consolidated actions and struck down the law's photo ID requirement, finding that the new voting provisions targeted African Americans "with almost surgical precision," and that the legislators had acted with clear "discriminatory intent" in enacting strict election rules, shaping the rules based on data they received about African-American registration and voting patterns.[62][63] On May 15, 2017, the law officially died when the US Supreme Court rejected efforts to review the Appeals Court ruling.[64]
Texas
In July 2016, a federal appeals court found that Texas's voter ID law discriminated against black and Hispanic voters because only a few types of ID were allowed; for example, military IDs and concealed carry permits were allowed, but state employee photo IDs and university photo IDs were not.
Alabama
In 2018, critics have accused the state of intentionally disenfranchising non-white voters, aided by the Supreme Court which, in its Shelby County v. Holder 5-4 decision, allowed jurisdictions with a history of suppression of minority voters to avoid continuing to abide by federal preclearance requirements for changes in voter registration and casting of ballots.[73] Within 24 hours of the ruling, Alabama implemented a 2011 law requiring specific types of photo I.D. to be presented. The state closed DMV offices in eight of ten counties which had the highest percentage black population, but only three in the ten counties with the lowest black population. In 2016, Alabama's Secretary of State (SOS) John Merrill began a process to require proof of citizenship from voters, despite Merrill saying he did not know of a single case where a non-citizen had voted. Purging of voter rolls is another method of disenfranchisement and it was done so aggressively in Alabama. Even four-term Republican Representative Mo Brooks who, in March 2018, was rated the House's least bipartisan member by The Lugar Center and who was a candidate in 2017, for the seat relinquished by Jeff Sessions, found that he himself had been purged from the rolls. Merrill also refused to publicize the passage of legislation that enabled some 60,000 Alabaman former felons to vote.[74][75] Alabama's new requirement regarding proof of citizenship, had been approved by federal Election Assistance Commission Director Brian Newby, an associate of voter disenfranchisement advocate, Kansas SOS and Republican Gubernatorial nominee, Kris Kobach.[76] Kobach was cited as a primary author of Alabama HB 56, passed in 2010, which was described as tougher than Arizona's law.[77] Much of the law was invalidated on appeal at various levels of appeals courts or voluntarily withdrawn or reworded.[78][79][80]
Georgia
In Louisville, Georgia, in October 2018, Black senior citizens were told to get off a bus that was to have taken them to a polling place for early voting. The bus trip was supposed to have been part of the "South Rising" bus tour sponsored by the advocacy group Black Voters Matter. A clerk of the local Jefferson County Commission allegedly called the intended voters' senior center to claim that the bus tour constituted "'political activity,'" which is barred at events sponsored by the county. Latosha Brown, one of the founders of Black Voters Matter, described the trip's prevention as a clear-cut case of "'voter intimidation. This is voter suppression, Southern style.'" The NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund sent a letter to the county calling for an "'immediate investigation'" into the incident, which it condemned as "'an unacceptable act of voter intimidation'" that "'potentially violates several laws.'"[81]
Georgia's Secretary of State, Brian Kemp, the Republican gubernatorial nominee, was the official in charge of determining whether or not voters will be allowed to vote in the November 2018 election and has been accused of voter suppression. Despite being prevented by a court from implementing wholesale disenfranchisement, thanks to Kemp's "Exact Match" policy, the state legislature wrote a new law in 2017 that facilitates use of the strategy. Minority voters are statistically more likely to have names that contain hyphens, suffixes or other punctuation that can make it more difficult to match their name in databases, experts noted, and are more likely to have their voter applications suspended by Kemp's office. Barry C. Burden, a professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and director of its Elections Research Center said, "An unrealistic rule of this sort will falsely flag many legitimate registration forms. Moreover, the evidence indicates that minority residents are more likely to be flagged than are whites." Kemp has suspended the applications of 53,000 voters, a majority of whom are minorities. "Even if everyone who is on a pending list is eventually allowed to vote, it places more hurdles in the way of those voters on the list, who are disproportionately black and Hispanic," said Charles Stewart III, Professor of Political Science at Massachusetts Institute of Technology.[82]
Georgia officials kept hundreds of voting machines locked in warehouses on Election Day 2018, creating a shortage at the polls.[83]
North Dakota
An ID law in North Dakota which would have disenfranchised large numbers of Native Americans was overturned in July 2016. The judge wrote, "The undisputed evidence before the Court reveals that voter fraud in North Dakota has been virtually non-existent."[58]
Wisconsin[edit source]
In Wisconsin, a federal judge found that the state's restrictive voter ID law led to "real incidents of disenfranchisement, which undermine rather than enhance confidence in elections, particularly in minority communities"; and, given that there was no evidence of widespread voter impersonation in Wisconsin, found that the law was "a cure worse than the disease." In addition to imposing strict voter ID requirements, the law cut back on early voting, required people to live in a ward for at least 28 days before voting, and prohibited emailing absentee ballots to voters.[58] A study by Priorities USA, a progressive advocacy group, estimates that strict ID laws in Wisconsin led to a significant decrease in voter turnout in 2016, with a disproportionate effect on African-American and Democratic-leaning voters.[68][69]
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States with Republican legislatures come up with laws to prevent minorities from voting because minorities vote democratic at higher rates. It's as simple as that. Any other explanation you want to finagle is likely pure fantasy and not parsimonious.
None of those have anything to do with democracy.
Many people on reservations in certain states have PO boxes to receive their mail that’s where the problem is. You can’t list the post office address as your address as that would be fraud.
Sure “where there’s a will there’s a way" might be true, but there are also things that should be fundamental to our democracy.
I used the school example earlier. If a community gets rid of all the schools in a rural area and says ok there’s a school you can go to 500 miles away, just spend hours driving there with your own transportation, that is not ok.
And for some people there is not a way even if there is a will. Some states require you to have 2 IDs in order to get a state ID, along with a physical address.
I don’t care if it only affects 500 voters that want to vote, that’s still 500 too many. There have been elections that have been tied and elections that have been won/lost by small margins.
And sure I’m going to bring race and sex and disability and being poor in to it, etc because I think that if people’s rights were taken away from them then they might have a different viewpoint since some people can’t express empathy. So I’m going to go out on a limb and say that upper middle class white men with professional degrees and drivers license certainly "don’t get it," especially since they’ve always had the right to vote in this country.
Like I said many pages ago I’m not gay, so some issues that gay people think are important or have struggled with haven’t been on my radar. Yet when they are brought to my attention I don’t automatically dismiss them and just say oh well, where there’s a will there’s a way. It seems really difficult for some people to understand others.
Exactly. They are all much less valuable than maintaining our sovereign democratic republic via legal elections via eligible American citizens only, yet they require an ID. Voter ID requirements are necessary. If you don't like that, you can blame the Democrats, who have abused the current system for their own gains.
"Gun ownership is enshrined in the Constitution. Government should make it as easy as possible for a lawful citizen to acquire a firearm." -Conservatives / Libertarians
"Voting rights are enshrined in the Constitution. Government should make it as ridiculously difficult as possible for a lawful citizen to vote. P.S. Enjoy telling your boss that you need a day off, waiting 5 hours in line in a trash-filled hellhole DMV, and spending spare money which you likely can't afford." - Also Conservatives / Libertarians
"Voting rights are enshrined in the Constitution. Government should make it as ridiculously difficult as possible for a lawful citizen to vote. P.S. Enjoy telling your boss that you need a day off, waiting 5 hours in line in a trash-filled hellhole DMV, and spending spare money which you likely can't afford." - Also Conservatives / Libertarians
Let me make a law that says you have to make less than $100,000 to get an ID, if you make more than that then you have to provide proof of all of the places that you have lived your entire life, provide photos of all the places you’ve lived and come stand in line at the ID center everyday for 1 month between the hours of 9-10am M-F before you’re able to get an ID.
No biggie!
No biggie!
I think most people don't want illegal aliens and dead people to vote. It's easy to do that...
They aren’t necessary.
So I’m guessing you believe the states that don’t have strict voter ID laws their local, state and federal election results shouldn’t be counted?
And I’m not placing blame on a certain party. I vote locally for candidates whom don’t support strict voter ID laws and work with organizations who do the same, wouldn’t matter the party.
I'm not dismissing the obstacles. I am suggesting that if American Indians living on a reservation feel that this is an issue for them, they should collectively come up with a solution to their problem. If they only have PO Boxes and no street names, then they should have their tribal leaders speak with their state representatives to create an alternative. They can establish one building on a reservation to serve the purpose of the address via a special exception clause. Yes, I believe that where there's a will there's a way. Problem solving requires effort and thinking outside of the box, and sometimes making concessions (like changing the tradition of no street names to establish one mailing address). Living in a rural setting creates obstacles. I'm fairly certain that having an established mailing address would be of great benefit. Then they could get mail in ballots and vote from the comfort of their homes.
To me, voting is my biggest privilege as a citizen, and I value it greatly. But, everyone needs to decide for themselves if they value it enough to do what is necessary to exist within the systems of society. The Indians themselves need to solve their (unique) problem. Those who are being affected have knowledge of the problem and are therefore best poised to find the right solution.
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I was really hoping this judge wouldn’t get confirmed 🙁 I shouldn’t hold my breath! Another attack on women’s health.
I do wonder how many pro-life people use IVF to have children yet conceal it and say IVF is against their beliefs.
"Senate Republicans will vote this week to confirm a lifetime federal judge who claimed that fertility treatments and surrogacy have “grave effects on society, including diminished respect for motherhood and the unique mother-child bond; exploitation of women; commodification of gestation and of children themselves; and weakening of appropriate social mores against eugenic abortion.”
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I do wonder how many pro-life people use IVF to have children yet conceal it and say IVF is against their beliefs.
"Senate Republicans will vote this week to confirm a lifetime federal judge who claimed that fertility treatments and surrogacy have “grave effects on society, including diminished respect for motherhood and the unique mother-child bond; exploitation of women; commodification of gestation and of children themselves; and weakening of appropriate social mores against eugenic abortion.”
Republicans To Confirm Lifetime Federal Judge Opposed To Fertility Treatments
Sarah Pitlyk argued that IVF and surrogacy have "grave effects on society" and lead to "diminished respect for motherhood."
And have you all read Ohio’s bill HB 413? All of it is disturbing but this just takes the cake:
"To avoid criminal charges, including murder, for abortion, a physician must “…[attempt to] reimplant an ectopic pregnancy into the women’s uterus”
Why are republicans ok with this?
"To avoid criminal charges, including murder, for abortion, a physician must “…[attempt to] reimplant an ectopic pregnancy into the women’s uterus”
Why are republicans ok with this?
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Right now I register online in 30 seconds and then on voting day I show up at the local elementary school and a little old lady checks off my name and gives me a sticker saying “I Voted.”
I like it that way.
I’ll tell you exactly what I don’t need. I don’t need another packet of paperwork to fill out and take time out of my day to stand in some dumpy government office during 9-5 hours to get a ridiculous ID. That is an obvious obstacle to voting that would have a greater effect on certain populations.
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This is proposed legislation. Not state law. If it makes through both houses, and the Governor signs it, there is no way its implementation won't be stayed till adjudicated by the courts.
Aliens live in space.
But requiring an ID doesn’t prevent that.
It does prevent people who have the right to vote from voting as discussed above.
The majority of my friends who are either undocumented citizens, here on work visas or green card holders have an ID. Thus, having to show an ID when you go to a polling place does nothing to prove that one is not a US citizen.
The same goes for dead people. If the dead person’s family member still has that person’s ID laying around, they certainly could use it to vote.
Yes I know, I never said it was state law.
I was just wondering why republican lawmakers are ok signing on to this bill and why republican voters are ok with this bill?
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My Speculation: Republican legislators from rural conservative districts are playing to their base and engaging in theatrics to appease them.
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It’s sponsored by 20 representatives. You would think they would run it by a doctor friend before making themselves international laughingstocks.
House Bill 413 | 133rd General Assembly | Ohio Legislature
www.legislature.ohio.gov
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You don't have an ID?
You know what state isn't listed there?
South Carolina. We have a decent voter ID law on the books. It has a "reasonable impediment" clause that is quite broad. You know how many people used it in 2016? 500. Out of 1.9 million votes. And the voter turnout was the same as the previous Presidential election as a percent of the population. We also make it easy to get IDs - free transportation, Saturday hours at the DMV.
So it's quite doable without being a huge burden.
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The thread is epic and not necessarily in a good way. One more complaint and it will be shut down for good.
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Agree it is eminently doable but there needs to be the will. If the purpose is to prevent voter fraud that is laudable. If it’s to place barriers to eligible voters, that is terrible.
But, from whom? Some complaints are legitimate, but, as you SURELY know, many are frivolous. And, just as likely, so many come from people that have not posted in a thread, and possibly never on SDN.
Please explain what you mean by that, I'm genuinely curious. I don't post as conspiratorial things as Mikkel or Leon's Mom. I don't attack other posters personally and insult them in every post like Vector. I haven't made any disgusting comments like Gravel about rectal fetus implantantion... I get that some here don't like my views. I don't like many peoples views here, but I'm not at all about to block them or claim that they are in some special nutjob category of their own. Please explain to me how my disagreements are so different than anyone else's?
It might be good before shutting it down to let people know what the complaints are, and perhaps give a chance to curtail any specific behavior that is being complained about. If there are specific complaints about inappropriate posts or posters, those posters should be banned if they are warned to stop a specific behavior and then refuse. Its kinda messed up to shut the whole thing down due to unknown complaints though.
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I initially thought that was a reference to Epic EMR....I need to get out more.
Lol, this is how I picture Arch currently except the letter is this godawful thread and the red button is the LOCK button
I would love to know such people’s rationale and thought process. I know conservatives call us baby killers, threaten us and there have been doctors killed for doing their jobs, but I wonder how many really want doctors jailed for murder? That’d be interesting to know.
Hopefully this swiftly goes nowhere!
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Proving who you are when you want to cast a vote is really basic stuff. It's absurd to act like only white people know how to get an ID, it's really basic adulting.
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