Window Tint is a MISDEMEANOR???

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So, I just got my background report. Apparently the fix-it ticket I got for a window tint (too dark) this summer is a misdemeanor that I unwittingly did not disclose for my background check. Needless to say, I had absolutely no idea that this "offense" is a misdemeanor and will be on my permanent record. The funny thing is the damn car wasn't even mine or even registered to me... I was just driving it at the time that the ticket was issued.

I have already been accepted to about ~10 schools, so what does this mean for my application? Is there anything I can do to get it off my record??

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i would just let the schools know. say that you did not realize that it was a misdemeanor and did not intentionally omit the information from your application.
 
So, I just got my background report. Apparently the fix-it ticket I got for a window tint (too dark) this summer is a misdemeanor that I unwittingly did not disclose for my background check. Needless to say, I had absolutely no idea that this "offense" is a misdemeanor and will be on my permanent record. The funny thing is the damn car wasn't even mine or even registered to me... I was just driving it at the time that the ticket was issued.

I have already been accepted to about ~10 schools, so what does this mean for my application? Is there anything I can do to get it off my record??

Wat state is the tint charge from? This sounds completely idiotic, I wonder if speeding is a felony using this standard...
 
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Call 'em right away, but you're totally fine. This is ridiculous!
 
That's stupid and I'm sure the schools will agree. Just let 'em know and congrats on the crazy amount of acceptances. Give me one? 😛
 
I'm not surprised (what does surprise me is that people don't read the fine print). in some states (mine, for one) "excessive tire noise" (ie., squealing tires) and failure to transfer title w/in 30 days also are misdemeanors. read your tickets, ppl! and/or ask the issuing officer if it's an infraction or misdemeanor. knowledge is power🙂
 
Minnesota. Yeah I know, very ridiculous. I'm sure I'll appreciate the hilarity of the situation eventually...
 
Wow. That completely and utter sucks, especially considering some of the places you're in at. I don't think it'd affect anything but it's just a pain in the butt to call everyone back and explain the ridiculous situation. :smack:
 
Talk about States and Counties racing to the bottom with "Tougher Than Thou" crime laws... It's absolutely insane what we pay our elected officials to do....

Criminalizing tinted windows.. this one get me bcos I have serially ticketed for this, I guess I would have been a felon or jailed If I lived in Mn...😱😱
 
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I'm not surprised (what does surprise me is that people don't read the fine print). in some states (mine, for one) "excessive tire noise" (ie., squealing tires) and failure to transfer title w/in 30 days also are misdemeanors. read your tickets, ppl! and/or ask the issuing officer if it's an infraction or misdemeanor. knowledge is power🙂

Well, actually, I did ask the officer if there would be anything on my record at the time of ticketing and he informed me that there wouldn't be. He said it's just a fine of $150 that you need to pay to the county. Seriously, this is such a ridiculous problem to have.

I'm going to try calling the police department/courthouse to ask about it. I guess I'll also ask a lawyer if there is any way I can get it off my record.

I guess I get to make 15 phone calls to schools now updating them with my wonderful news.
"Hi Admissions Person, I just wanted let you know that a county in MN has given me a ticket for my window tints being slightly under the legal limit, which is technically a misdemeanor. Isn't it funny how you get this same charge when you're busted with drug paraphernalia? Oh, the ridiculous penal code in this country... Can I still be a doctor, or should I find the nearest bridge to jump off of? Thanks!"

THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
 
There's no reason to tint your windows anyway. It doesn't make you cool.
 
There's no reason to tint your windows anyway. It doesn't make you cool.

Yes it does! % Tent is directly proportional to coolness. Pubmed that ****.
 
Haha, I love how people have decided to judge the "coolness" of having window tints.

So, to summarize, all I can really do is call every school I applied to and let them know ahead of the report? Law2Doc was a lawyer, right? Any free legal advice as to how to get this damn thing off my record. I'm already having the tint removed, although it probably won't matter if I move to a better state with less ridiculous laws (which I 100% am... can't stand it here, as evidenced by aforementioned ridiculous laws).
 
Are you sure that's a misdemeanor, and not, say, a petty misdemeanor? It may seem a quibble, but they're not viewed the same way in all circumstances.

I'd definitely call ahead & let the schools know, but I wouldn't lose sleep over this. It's a non-criminal offense, and you paid the fine, so... I'm not convinced it's a big deal.

Then again, IANAL.
 
Are you sure that's a misdemeanor, and not, say, a petty misdemeanor? It may seem a quibble, but they're not viewed the same way in all circumstances.

I'd definitely call ahead & let the schools know, but I wouldn't lose sleep over this. It's a non-criminal offense, and you paid the fine, so... I'm not convinced it's a big deal.

Then again, IANAL.

Unfortunately, in MN, it is indeed a criminal offense.

I'm pretty sure it's a misdemeanor, according to what I could find on the county website. I guess they try hard here to keep people from advancing professionally. Hard to believe when only 2/3 of my high school class graduated... lmao

Guess what though? Apparently a cracked windshield or any car deficiencies (leaky brakes, no windshield wiper fluid) are also misdemeanors. All traffic violations other than speeding are considered misdemeanors. WOW
 

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Are you sure that's a misdemeanor, and not, say, a petty misdemeanor? It may seem a quibble, but they're not viewed the same way in all circumstances.

I'd definitely call ahead & let the schools know, but I wouldn't lose sleep over this. It's a non-criminal offense, and you paid the fine, so... I'm not convinced it's a big deal.

Then again, IANAL.


ApoK, my curiosity was piqued so I looked up the pertinent MN statute. the window tint violation is, in fact, classified as a petty misdemeanor (in some states the term is "simple misdemeanor"). this is considered less serious than a straight, or gross, misdemeanor. however, generally any misdemeanor - simple or no - is technically a criminal offense (I am not familiar with MN law, however, so I can't say how it's considered there). in any event, it's odd that the officer told you it was just a fine, if indeed it is some form of misdemeanor. are you still an undergraduate? if so, perhaps your school has someone you can consult re: this? in any event, talk to a MN lawyer and find out if in MN petty misdemeanor = criminal offense. and if it indeed does, I really wouldn't lose any sleep over it. explain the situation to your schools but it hardly seems like something over which they'd yank your acceptances.

it's curious, though: in your original post, you stated that the car wasn't yours, then in a later post you stated that you are having the tint removed (which would indicate that it is your car)...

also, for ppl who think this law is "ridiculous" - maybe it seems that way, but there has to be a reason it was written. I believe the intent behind this statute is for the benefit of law enforcement. they need to be able to see what's going on inside cars that are traveling on public roadways, for obvious reasons of public safety. they need to be able to identify the driver in the event of a crime, hit and run, etc., they need to be able to see inside the car when they approach it after pulling it over for speeding or something (to see if anyone inside is reaching for a weapon). it's not one of those silly "blue" laws you hear about (like, it's illegal to lead a cow across the street on Sundays), there are actual safety reasons for it
 
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Unfortunately, in MN, it is indeed a criminal offense.

I'm pretty sure it's a misdemeanor, according to what I could find on the county website. I guess they try hard here to keep people from advancing professionally. Hard to believe when only 2/3 of my high school class graduated... lmao

Guess what though? Apparently a cracked windshield or any car deficiencies (leaky brakes, no windshield wiper fluid) are also misdemeanors. All traffic violations other than speeding are considered misdemeanors. WOW

Note to pre-meds: immediately vacate MN because even driving behind a truck that spits up gravel can make you a criminal.
 
ok, I did some more research for you (I am a curious sort) and found this:

A category below misdemeanors is called petty misdemeanors. Despite their name, petty misdemeanors are not actually crimes under Minnesota law. In Minnesota, petty misdemeanors carry fines of no more than $100 ($200 in a few cases) and a person cannot go to jail for committing a petty misdemeanor. Most minor traffic offenses are petty misdemeanors. Anyone who commits the same petty misdemeanor repeatedly, such as being caught speeding three times within a one-year period, can be charged with a misdemeanor. (emphasis added)

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cach...nesota&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari

perhaps when searching the databases, Certiphi sees the word "misdemeanor" and automatically picks it up, failing to take into account that some states (or at least one, MN) classifies some types of misdemeanors (the "petty" ones) NOT as criminal offenses. you could call Certiphi, but that would probably not get you anywhere. instead, write up and send to your schools a short statement describing the incident and attach a reference like the one above that shows that in MN a petty misdemeanor is not classified as a criminal offense.

my pro bono work for the year, done🙂
 
ApoK, my curiosity was piqued so I looked up the pertinent MN statute. the window tint violation is, in fact, classified as a petty misdemeanor (in some states the term is "simple misdemeanor"). this is considered less serious than a straight, or gross, misdemeanor. however, generally any misdemeanor - simple or no - is technically a criminal offense (I am not familiar with MN law, however, so I can't say how it's considered there). in any event, it's odd that the officer told you it was just a fine, if indeed it is some form of misdemeanor. are you still an undergraduate? if so, perhaps your school has someone you can consult re: this? in any event, talk to a MN lawyer and find out if in MN petty misdemeanor = criminal offense. and if it indeed does, I really wouldn't lose any sleep over it. explain the situation to your schools but it hardly seems like something over which they'd yank your acceptances.

it's curious, though: in your original post, you stated that the car wasn't yours, then in a later post you stated that you are having the tint removed (which would indicate that it is your car)...

also, for ppl who think this law is "ridiculous" - maybe it seems that way, but there has to be a reason it was written. I believe the intent behind this statute is for the benefit of law enforcement. they need to be able to see what's going on inside cars that are traveling on public roadways, for obvious reasons of public safety. they need to be able to identify the driver in the event of a crime, hit and run, etc., they need to be able to see inside the car when they approach it after pulling it over for speeding or something (to see if anyone inside is reaching for a weapon). it's not one of those silly "blue" laws you hear about (like, it's illegal to lead a cow across the street on Sundays), there are actual safety reasons for it

It's my parents' car. I just use it from time to time. I probably should have written "my family is having the tint removed" for clarity.

The tint metered at 40% and the legal limit in MN is 50%. You can clearly see into the vehicle with the current tint level. It's not like it's 5% limo tint or anything. It's purely for mild aesthetics and to reduce glare/UV.
 
Except for the sun. 🙄

Saying your windows are tinted to keep out the sun is like saying you wear your scrubs to class because they're comfortable or didn't have time to change.

The other poster was correct. The law is in place for safety reasons when a cop approaches the car. I agree it still shouldn't be a misdemeanor. I'd also think when a car is sold to you or someone tints the windows professionally, they'd warn you about legal issues.
 
ok, I did some more research for you (I am a curious sort) and found this:

A category below misdemeanors is called petty misdemeanors. Despite their name, petty misdemeanors are not actually crimes under Minnesota law. In Minnesota, petty misdemeanors carry fines of no more than $100 ($200 in a few cases) and a person cannot go to jail for committing a petty misdemeanor. Most minor traffic offenses are petty misdemeanors. Anyone who commits the same petty misdemeanor repeatedly, such as being caught speeding three times within a one-year period, can be charged with a misdemeanor. (emphasis added)

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cach...nesota&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari

perhaps when searching the databases, Certiphi sees the word "misdemeanor" and automatically picks it up, failing to take into account that some states (or at least one, MN) classifies some types of misdemeanors (the "petty" ones) NOT as criminal offenses. you could call Certiphi, but that would probably not get you anywhere. instead, write up and send to your schools a short statement describing the incident and attach a reference like the one above that shows that in MN a petty misdemeanor is not classified as a criminal offense.

my pro bono work for the year, done🙂

Thank you. Wow, so I get a major headache and screwed over because Certiphi misclassifies the offense? I'm definitely going to contest the report then and make sure they see the above reference. Hopefully, they will either omit it or reclassify it as "petty offense." This whole situation is utter and complete BS. Thus is my luck.

Would you mind sharing the link for where you found that it is a petty misdemeanor? I would like to reference it when I contest the report.
 
Thank you. Wow, so I get a major headache and screwed over because Certiphi misclassifies the offense? I'm definitely going to contest the report then and make sure they see the above reference. Hopefully, they will either omit it or reclassify it as "petty offense." This whole situation is utter and complete BS. Thus is my luck.

Would you mind sharing the link for where you found that it is a petty misdemeanor? I would like to reference it when I contest the report.

the hyperlink is in my post. scroll about 2/3 of the way down the page, the relevant part is under the heading "punishments." however, it'd probably be better to cite the definition of "petty misdemeanor" in the MN code. here you go: https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=609.02
 
the hyperlink is in my post. scroll about 2/3 of the way down the page, the relevant part is under the heading "punishments." however, it'd probably be better to cite the definition of "petty misdemeanor" in the MN code. here you go: https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=609.02

Thanks again, but do you have the site that says the window tint violations is actually a petty misdemeanor? I saw it somewhere but I can't find it now for some reason...

Aha! I found it. It is a petty misdemeanor according to Minnesota Statute 169.71(4)(a)(3)
http://www.mncourts.gov/Documents/4/Public/Traffic_Violations/MN_Statute_-_MN_Rule_1-4-2010.pdf

Well, I hope they clarify this in my report now...
 
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Thanks again, but do you have the site that says the window tint violations is actually a petty misdemeanor? I saw it somewhere but I can't find it now for some reason...

Aha! I found it. It is a petty misdemeanor according to Minnesota Statute 169.71(4)(a)(3)
http://www.mncourts.gov/Documents/4/Public/Traffic_Violations/MN_Statute_-_MN_Rule_1-4-2010.pdf

Well, I hope they clarify this in my report now...

yep, that table shows the window tint violation is a petty misdemeanor. however, it's more persuasive to cite the actual statutory language.

the violation for which you were cited is (check the ticket to be sure) chapter 169.71(3)Subd.4 (https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=169.71)

the penalty for this violation is a petty misdemeanor, as indicated in chapter 169.89 (https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes..._type=all&keyword=traffic+violation+penalties)

the statutory definition of "petty misdemeanor" is found in chapter 609.02 Subd. 4a (https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=609.02)
 
yep, that table shows the window tint violation is a petty misdemeanor. however, it's more persuasive to cite the actual statutory language.

the violation for which you were cited is (check the ticket to be sure) chapter 169.71(3)Subd.4 (https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=169.71)

the penalty for this violation is a petty misdemeanor, as indicated in chapter 169.89 (https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes..._type=all&keyword=traffic+violation+penalties)

the statutory definition of "petty misdemeanor" is found in chapter 609.02 Subd. 4a (https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=609.02)

Thank you Kia Ora! Seriously. I will definitely be sure to contest this report with this information. You would think you'd have to go to court or something for a felony or misdemeanor conviction. Jeez, I hope it gets fixed ASAP.
 
Now you have to keep us updated! I want to see you take down Certiphi!
 
Me "It was a petty misdemeanor, which isn't even a crime under MN State Law"
Certiphi: "Our policy is to report all petty misdemeanors as misdemeanors. We will not do anything for you because it is in the court record."
Me: "So people who have paid for cracked windshield tickets have misdemeanor on their records for the rest of their life?"
Certiphi: "Silence.... According to our policy, yes."

Wow.
 
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Just call the schools.

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Me "It was a petty misdemeanor, which isn't even a crime under MN State Law"
Certiphi: "Our policy is to report all petty misdemeanors as misdemeanors. We will not do anything for you because it is in the court record."
Me: "So people who have paid for cracked windshield tickets have misdemeanor on their records for the rest of their life?"
Certiphi: "Silence.... According to our policy, yes."

Wow. Only in America.

That is absolutely ridiculous. Our penal code has to be changed ... but medical school adcoms are not monkeys they can read that its for tints, not for stealing or raping someone. It really is an uphill battle for anyone accused of a crime in this country (despite innocent until proven guilty). Still be thankful you live in America, who knows in the middle east you'd probably get stoned for it.
 
kia ora, you seem to know a lot. i have an UNLAWFUL SPEED (CRT REQ) that's a TRAFFIC INFRACTION, that's definitely not a misdemeanor right? i also have a TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICE - FAIL TO OBEY for making a left at a no left turn sign. that one is listed as a Traffic Moving Infraction. which i'm guessing is the same thing, but in another county so they gave it a different name. neither need be reported, right? i've asked like a million people, i'm just so paranoid. i even called the courthouse. yes, that paranoid. yet, i'm still asking strangers on the internet to check for the billionth time. and sorry for the random caps, i just cut and pasted from their online records.
 
kia ora, you seem to know a lot. i have an UNLAWFUL SPEED (CRT REQ) that's a TRAFFIC INFRACTION, that's definitely not a misdemeanor right? i also have a TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICE - FAIL TO OBEY for making a left at a no left turn sign. that one is listed as a Traffic Moving Infraction. which i'm guessing is the same thing, but in another county so they gave it a different name. neither need be reported, right? i've asked like a million people, i'm just so paranoid. i even called the courthouse. yes, that paranoid. yet, i'm still asking strangers on the internet to check for the billionth time. and sorry for the random caps, i just cut and pasted from their online records.

yeah, traffic "infractions" are civil matters, not criminal. so they won't come up in a criminal bkgd check. don't worry about them (but drive carefully🙂)
 
yeah, traffic "infractions" are civil matters, not criminal. so they won't come up in a criminal bkgd check. don't worry about them (but drive carefully🙂)

yes ma'am/sir. thanks for further quelling my fears.
 
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