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The best thing about this website is how it dogs Pheonix online, etc and then has an advertisement for Earnmydegree.com. The irony that this ad is next to a not so subtle argument all for profit schools are snake oil salesman is just fantastic 👍👍👍👍👍
 
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It belongs in the pre-osteopathic forum. Everybody already in and committed will defend to the death that their choice was correct but the fact is, someone needs to warn people.
 
Mind giving us a hint of where to look among the 30+ articles on the page? Also are you confusing private schools with for profit? Private schools can be non-profit. My normal crystal ball is broken, so I'm using a backup but I see another unjustified RVU bashing in the near future.

If you truly want to "warn someone", use facts not just trust me I've been there.
 
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can someone from RVU enlighten me on where their loan comes from?
 
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Is this thread about RVU??? I'm seriously super confused??? Are you disappointed with your University of Phoenix education??? WTF?
 
There's a resident at University of Utah right that went to Phoenix online...I'm too lazy to go sifting through they pages to find him. He went Caribbean then got a University of Utah residency. I was impressed.
 
MLT2MT2DO said:
There's a resident at University of Utah right that went to Phoenix online...I'm too lazy to go sifting through they pages to find him. He went Caribbean then got a University of Utah residency. I was impressed.
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U of U is one of the few places that seems receptive to FMG, and Utah in general is 'not DO friendly.' This cracks me up too because I've met TONS of people from Utah on the DO interview trail. Weird. So ... why is this thread in pre - DO then???
 
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U of U is one of the few places that seems receptive to FMG, and Utah in general is 'not DO friendly.' This cracks me up too because I've met TONS of people from Utah on the DO interview trail. Weird. So ... why is this thread in pre - DO then???
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I'm not sure about "in general" but I did see a handful of DO residents in IM (my pre-med interest in medicine) and this is how I stumbled across the Phoenix University guy.
 
MLT2MT2DO said:
I'm not sure about "in general" but I did see a handful of DO residents in IM (my pre-med interest in medicine) and this is how I stumbled across the Phoenix University guy.
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Someone posted their IM program link the other day and unless it was something else, I only saw a few DOs and a LOT of FMGs.
 
JaggerPlate said:
U of U is one of the few places that seems receptive to FMG, and Utah in general is 'not DO friendly.' This cracks me up too because I've met TONS of people from Utah on the DO interview trail. Weird. So ... why is this thread in pre - DO then???
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Funny you mentioned the Utah thing, it is very true. Weird.
 
Kevon said:
Funny you mentioned the Utah thing, it is very true. Weird.
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Yup. I also have a friend who works at the pre-med office at BYU (Brigham Young) in Provo and says that she has a HUGE number of applicants to DO schools. I think the barrier will lessen with time though. KCOM has rotations in UT and they will obviously paint a very nice picture, and AZCOM said they are going to try to put students up there. So this will help break things down.
 
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As I suspected this forum is misrepresented as a place where people can get honest information about a very serious decision to invest very large amounts of loan money in DO school.

I would reply and give you all oodles of details but I've "been warned." I suspect my username will shortly be disabled. Pre-applicants need to know the truth about the private high-tuition DO schools but those who are already enrolled don't want to believe it, as this thread illustrates.

Oh well.
 
breezey said:
As I suspected this forum is misrepresented as a place where people can get honest information about a very serious decision to invest very large amounts of loan money in DO school.

I would reply and give you all oodles of details but I've "been warned." I suspect my username will shortly be disabled. Pre-applicants need to know the truth about the private high-tuition DO schools but those who are already enrolled don't want to believe it, as this thread illustrates.

Oh well.
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What do you care? You have 28 posts. If your account is disabled, what's stopping you from making another one? Post it, I want to hear if you're full of **** or not. All we have so far are vague, ominous warnings which don't amount to much when DO schools continue to grant degrees that let us practice medicine.
 
breezey said:
As I suspected this forum is misrepresented as a place where people can get honest information about a very serious decision to invest very large amounts of loan money in DO school.

I would reply and give you all oodles of details but I've "been warned." I suspect my username will shortly be disabled. Pre-applicants need to know the truth about the private high-tuition DO schools but those who are already enrolled don't want to believe it, as this thread illustrates.

Oh well.
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This whole thread has been ridiculous. Some of us actually read the link you posted and it mostly talked about online education and degree mills. Even the worst of the the DO schools aren't churning out graduates that aren't capable of being proficient physicians. Most problems with the new schools are that the 3rd/4th rotations aren't close to the school (people having to go to states they didn't want to move to) and that there may be too many office settings/out-patient/community hospitals vs an academic center types of experiences.

NONE OF THIS WAS IN THAT ARTICLE. If you want to discuss a problem you have at your school please do. Rationally and with evidence so that you can educate all of us pre-meds that you claim to want to warn and save! Instead you want to spread conspiracy theories on how you have been warned and you are being silenced when this whole thing has made no sense. 😴
 
breezey said:
As I suspected this forum is misrepresented as a place where people can get honest information about a very serious decision to invest very large amounts of loan money in DO school.

I would reply and give you all oodles of details but I've "been warned." I suspect my username will shortly be disabled. Pre-applicants need to know the truth about the private high-tuition DO schools but those who are already enrolled don't want to believe it, as this thread illustrates.

Oh well.
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Um, private doesn't mean for-profit. Harvard is private. Are they a diploma mill? Yale is private. Are they a diploma mill? There's only ONE DO school that's for-profit. One. Get your facts straight before you try to direct others.
 
Breezey, please clarify and expand, if there is indeed a point to your post. I have no idea what you are trying to imply here, but from your previous posts, it looks like you are/were a UNECOM student. If you truly have something legit to say and not trolling or violating the TOS, I don't think you have to worry about sanctions or your content being silenced here (unless you are referring to being silenced by persons external to this forum). As long as there is a point to your thread and it remains civil and within the guidelines of the TOS, I don't see a problem, unless I am missing something here.
 
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breezey said:
As I suspected this forum is misrepresented as a place where people can get honest information about a very serious decision to invest very large amounts of loan money in DO school.

I would reply and give you all oodles of details but I've "been warned." I suspect my username will shortly be disabled. Pre-applicants need to know the truth about the private high-tuition DO schools but those who are already enrolled don't want to believe it, as this thread illustrates.

Oh well.
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Not sure what you mean about osteopathic schools and large amounts loan money. OHSU in Oregon cost just as much as many of the osteopathic schools and more than many of them. The loans they take out are the same from the fed up to 8500 per year sub. and the rest up to a sum total of 44k/yr unsub. Any more is in private loans.

I work at a hospital with many DO residents and they all seem to do fine and most attended Western (which is pretty spendy). None of them seem concerned one bit about how to pay it back. They will be attending physicians and make a decent enough living to pay the loans. Seriously, take some economics and finance, it's really not that insane when you work through the numbers. Otherwise, how would people without a parent provided bank roll even think of applying in the first place?

I just don't see where you are getting this information from and how you could be applying it to only DO schools.
 
You are right, I'm wrong. Suit yourself. Maybe one or two or you will remember having read this eight years from now.
 
breezey said:
You are right, I'm wrong. Suit yourself. Maybe one or two or you will remember having read this eight years from now.
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Well, what is your point, exactly? I'm still not sure what you are talking about. All I am hearing is a lot of unclear allegations and hot air. What exactly are you trying to warn pre-meds about? What is your basic argument? Are you suggesting that DO schools are for-profit diploma mills? If so, how do you substantiate your argument? How is your point consequential to pre-meds choosing a medical school? I need more information before I decide on whether your argument has any merit and I'm fairly confident that any pre-med reading this thread will as well. Otherwise, nobody is going to take you seriously and perhaps even judge you as bitter, having some ulterior motive, attempting to troll, or some other variant. Your inability to make a clear and concise argument is the downfall of this thread.
 
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Well, what is your point, exactly? I'm still not sure what you are talking about. All I am hearing is a lot of unclear allegations and hot air. What exactly are you trying to warn pre-meds about? What is your basic argument? Are you suggesting that DO schools are for-profit diploma mills? If so, how do you substantiate your argument? How is your point consequential to pre-meds choosing a medical school? I need more information before I decide on whether your argument has any merit and I'm fairly confident that any pre-med reading this thread will as well. Otherwise, nobody is going to take you seriously and perhaps even judge you as bitter, having some ulterior motive, attempting to troll, or some other variant. Your inability to make a clear and concise argument is the downfall of this thread.
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isn't it obvious, the op is upset because he/she can't pay back their loans
 
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isn't it obvious, the op is upset because he/she can't pay back their loans
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That's many graduates of a medical school in the US, not respective of degree designation. COA and loans are certainly valid concerns and important considerations in choosing a medical school in this country. If that's indeed her point, then I fail to see the exclusive connection between osteopathic medical school and her point. There must be more to it. If someone is going to attempt to make a controversial point and then proceed to suggest it as a warning to others, then I want to hear the whole argument, clearly and concisely, backed up with evidence, not weak and mysterious inferences. My personal opinion is that they should have the cojones to do that, or not post at all and waste our time.
 
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That's many graduates of a medical school in the US, not respective of degree designation. COA and loans are certainly valid concerns and important considerations in choosing a medical school in this country. If that's indeed her point, then I fail to see the exclusive connection between osteopathic medical school and her point. There must be more to it. If someone is going to attempt to make a controversial point and then proceed to suggest it as a warning to others, then I want to hear the whole argument, clearly and concisely, backed up with evidence, not weak and mysterious inferences. My personal opinion is that they should have the cojones to do that, or not post at all and waste our time.
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That's the Internet for you, keyboard courage is what I call it
 
breezey said:
You are right, I'm wrong. Suit yourself. Maybe one or two or you will remember having read this eight years from now.
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Remember reading what eight years from now? If you had or are having a problem with your school, I'd be interested to hear about it.
 
I feel like this guy should be on a corner holding a sign that says the world is ending, not on SDN ...
 
breezey said:
You are right, I'm wrong. Suit yourself. Maybe one or two or you will remember having read this eight years from now.
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The complete lack of detail in your argument, in addition to the carelessly posted link, makes me think that you're a **** stirring troll. Do you own that website? Or did you fail out of school and now have loans you can't pay off? Or is it something else? Nobody has to agree with you but if you have something to say then say it and let people do what they wish with the information. You barely post here anyway, what do you care about a warning?
 
Such vehement responses and also, the fact that I was issued a warning for posting something not entirely encouraging to the DO-school industry should make people wonder.

Why would you want to join a job occupation where you are constantly on your guard and defending your degree as legit? Do you think it ends in the hospital? Do you think it ends once you are out of residency? Do you think it won't affect your own bottom line?

Tell the pre-meds what you guys actually do in OMM class. Tell them about the tenderpoints. Tell them about cranial-sacral. Come on folks. These kids just spent four years of their lives, some of them, including myself, in top-ranked undergraduate institutions, and are making one of the biggest choices of their lives now. Do you think they should risk everything they have worked for because the correct information is not available on Student Doctor.net? Because no one wants to admit the actual reality of "Tell me if it still hurts in 90 seconds?"
 
breezey said:
Such vehement responses and also, the fact that I was issued a warning for posting something not entirely encouraging to the DO-school industry should make people wonder.

Why would you want to join a job occupation where you are constantly on your guard and defending your degree as legit? Do you think it ends in the hospital? Do you think it ends once you are out of residency? Do you think it won't affect your own bottom line?

Tell the pre-meds what you guys actually do in OMM class. Tell them about the tenderpoints. Tell them about cranial-sacral. Come on folks. These kids just spent four years of their lives, some of them, including myself, in top-ranked undergraduate institutions, and are making one of the biggest choices of their lives now. Do you think they should risk everything they have worked for because the correct information is not available on Student Doctor.net? Because no one wants to admit the actual reality of "Tell me if it still hurts in 90 seconds?"
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Who the hell do you think you are??? Are you Jesus preaching to the masses that have lived their lives in the darkness??? Do a search or spend more than five minutes off your soap box and on these boards. Pre-meds have plenty of opportunities to research and go into this process completely aware of what they are getting themselves into. Get over yourself. You aren't a martyr, you aren't someone with inside secret knowledge, you aren't blowing the lid of some conspiracy. Frankly, you aren't even being helpful. You posted a link about ITT Tech or something and then morphed the conversation into DO debt, THEN started blabbering about DO discrimination??? You deserved the warnings and hostility because you are acting like a fool.
 
breezey said:
Such vehement responses and also, the fact that I was issued a warning for posting something not entirely encouraging to the DO-school industry should make people wonder.

Why would you want to join a job occupation where you are constantly on your guard and defending your degree as legit? Do you think it ends in the hospital? Do you think it ends once you are out of residency? Do you think it won't affect your own bottom line?

Tell the pre-meds what you guys actually do in OMM class. Tell them about the tenderpoints. Tell them about cranial-sacral. Come on folks. These kids just spent four years of their lives, some of them, including myself, in top-ranked undergraduate institutions, and are making one of the biggest choices of their lives now. Do you think they should risk everything they have worked for because the correct information is not available on Student Doctor.net? Because no one wants to admit the actual reality of "Tell me if it still hurts in 90 seconds?"
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Wow, you don't sound bitter and disgruntled at all, and you certainly don't have any agenda other than to honestly help students make an informed decision. There are no unresolved personal issues weeping into your posts at all. No, Sir. I feel so much more educated on osteopathic medical schools after reading your post; there are so many facts and insights listed that I can barely process it all. You removed the veil from my eyes.

Thank you for your service:

Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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Your conceit is overwhelming. Nothing you are saying is a surprise or new to anyone (pre-meds have heard it plenty of times and it has all been discussed to death on countless MD vs. DO threads, or in the Osteo forum, or the like) and it isn't even necessary true. Nobody forced you to attend an osteopathic medical school. You did so by your own volition. All the stuff you mentioned in your post is out there and it has been discussed in some form or another in this forum. Okay, you made a choice that didn't agree with you; don't crap on the system that gave you your degree and made you a doctor. Take responsibility for your choices for goodness sake.

You chose to attend an osteopathic medical school, which means you had to learn OMT and all that it comes with. Duh. Too bad you didn't do your research before matriculating. Sure, there are some elements to OMT that I don't entirely agree with, but what I did was to take what I found useful and ignored the rest. Is that so difficult?

I've never had to "defend" the degree that I am earning and I don't feel self-conscious about it. I don't feel inferior. I'm proud of what I have created so far. I've never encountered any problems working in a clinical setting because I am an osteopathic medical student. The hospitals where I have worked and trained have a nice mix of both degrees and everyone works together without any discrimination due to degree. And no DO that I've ever encountered is hurting for business because of his degree.

Try again when you have taken some steps to resolve your own inner conflict and anger, because right now, that's about all I can hear. You appear to be throwing a tantrum. Come back when you can actually form an intelligent argument and make coherent allegations.
 
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Tell the pre-meds what you guys actually do in OMM class.
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Oh no.....you totally found us out :scared::scared: Now I'll never get to use that chicken bone cross I have been saving to cure somebody's "heebie jeebies."
 
Interesting. Have you encountered such prejudices in residency or practice? Are you a resident or an attending? I don't care if your comments are not encouraging to the DO industry, as you call it, but your point about OMM is a bit silly. The DOs that I've shadowed don't use it, but the fact of the matter is it's a known part of the curriculum prior to matriculation and I don't understand how someone can knowingly matriculate into such a school and then proceed to bitch about it. What are your other gripes besides high tuition and OMM? You still strike me as a **** stirring troll because you haven't really given out any details of how you came to form this opinion. I notice that you haven't been banned yet and I kindly ask the mods to wait because I'd love to hear this one out.

breezey said:
Such vehement responses and also, the fact that I was issued a warning for posting something not entirely encouraging to the DO-school industry should make people wonder.

Why would you want to join a job occupation where you are constantly on your guard and defending your degree as legit? Do you think it ends in the hospital? Do you think it ends once you are out of residency? Do you think it won't affect your own bottom line?

Tell the pre-meds what you guys actually do in OMM class. Tell them about the tenderpoints. Tell them about cranial-sacral. Come on folks. These kids just spent four years of their lives, some of them, including myself, in top-ranked undergraduate institutions, and are making one of the biggest choices of their lives now. Do you think they should risk everything they have worked for because the correct information is not available on Student Doctor.net? Because no one wants to admit the actual reality of "Tell me if it still hurts in 90 seconds?"
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I honestly don't know how you came to the opinion that those Docs have to defend themselves. I've only shadowed in Southern California and the DOs there said they didn't have an issue with their degree with anyone. One did say that he encountered a little bias in parts of the Bay area when he was looking for a job. What part of the country are you in?
 
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breezey said:
Such vehement responses and also, the fact that I was issued a warning for posting something not entirely encouraging to the DO-school industry should make people wonder.

Why would you want to join a job occupation where you are constantly on your guard and defending your degree as legit? Do you think it ends in the hospital? Do you think it ends once you are out of residency? Do you think it won't affect your own bottom line?

Tell the pre-meds what you guys actually do in OMM class. Tell them about the tenderpoints. Tell them about cranial-sacral. Come on folks. These kids just spent four years of their lives, some of them, including myself, in top-ranked undergraduate institutions, and are making one of the biggest choices of their lives now. Do you think they should risk everything they have worked for because the correct information is not available on Student Doctor.net? Because no one wants to admit the actual reality of "Tell me if it still hurts in 90 seconds?"
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What I don't understand is why you don't tell us pre-meds that you are claiming to warn? What are these evil tenderpoints? How have they ruined your future career? If your whole problem with DO schools is the OMT component then start a thread about that...oh, wait, we already have threads about that where students have commented on their complaints and the benefits (if they had any).

I also love how you as someone who had the good fortune to go to a top undergrad never researched what you were getting yourself into. I graduated from a lowly state school but even prior to getting a college education I knew to research what I was getting myself. I can't believe anyone would spend the kind of money that a medical education entails and not research each school they are applying to and more information about OMT. Isn't that common sense?!?!?!
 
breezey said:
Why would you want to join a job occupation where you are constantly on your guard and defending your degree as legit? Do you think it ends in the hospital? Do you think it ends once you are out of residency? Do you think it won't affect your own bottom line?
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Guess I haven't noticed any of that here. Where I work there are about 15-20% DO's + DO residents and MD and DO rotating students (I believe dual accreditationon is in the works, but no one I have talked to can say for sure.) We have physicians that span the whole spectrum from an MD PhD from Harvard on down the prestige list. I have yet to see any problems with MD/DO relations. Many of our good orthopods, ER, and Cardio physicians are DO's and I also have yet to have a patient ask about their credentials while with their physician, with a nurse, or with me. (Also, my main advisor's wife received her MD PhD from Hopkins and neither of them thought practicing as a DO would cause any problems.) As far as OMM... ya, no one I know here uses it often, but the residents still all take time to practice it. OMM is part of being a DO, what's wrong with that?

I guess if you are that unhappy with your degree you could apply to the caribbean.
 
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Who the hell do you think you are??? Are you Jesus preaching to the masses that have lived their lives in the darkness??? Do a search or spend more than five minutes off your soap box and on these boards. Pre-meds have plenty of opportunities to research and go into this process completely aware of what they are getting themselves into. Get over yourself. You aren't a martyr, you aren't someone with inside secret knowledge, you aren't blowing the lid of some conspiracy. Frankly, you aren't even being helpful. You posted a link about ITT Tech or something and then morphed the conversation into DO debt, THEN started blabbering about DO discrimination??? You deserved the warnings and hostility because you are acting like a fool.
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Jagger your one unique character I can tell you that. I fell off my chair laughing so hard that my mom ran in rushing to see if everything was okay. That had to be the funniest thing I EVER read on this site. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

About ITT tech, DeVry and etc. those places are great for short cuts. Atleast I think so, I'll pm it to you jagger
 
Okay OP, I went through your post history and you apparently entered UNECOM in 2003. Which means you are either a 2nd or 3rd year resident by now or flunked out/left at some point. So, what's your story? OMT and high tuition cannot be it because that alone will not stop premeds from applying to DO schools to become physicians. I'm indifferent to OMT myself and as for the massive debt, which I might add is not unique to DO schools, it'll take care of itself if I can make it all the way. If you're a resident, what part of the country are you training in? Like everyone else has said, they have not met any DOs that were struggling in the sense that they had to defend their training but they may be in a different area than you.

I don't know. We all make six figure in the end. Do you think any reasonable applicant applying to med school will be dissuaded by OMT/tuition if in the end it'll get them board certified with an unrestricted medical license? Why, on your side, do you think that applicants should leave a significant number of medical schools out of their application?
 
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Okay OP, I went through your post history and you apparently entered UNECOM in 2003. Which means you are either a 2nd or 3rd year resident by now or flunked out/left at some point. So, what's your story? OMT and high tuition cannot be it because that alone will not stop premeds from applying to DO schools to become physicians. I'm indifferent to OMT myself and as for the massive debt, which I might add is not unique to DO schools, it'll take care of itself if I can make it all the way. If you're a resident, what part of the country are you training in? Like everyone else has said, they have not met any DOs that were struggling in the sense that they had to defend their training but they may be in a different area than you.

I don't know. We all make six figure in the end. Do you think any reasonable applicant applying to med school will be dissuaded by OMT/tuition if in the end it'll get them board certified with an unrestricted medical license? Why, on your side, do you think that applicants should leave a significant number of medical schools out of their application?
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It's awesome that the voice of reason is coming from a guy with the word 'poop' in his name. :laugh: 👍
 
breezey said:
Such vehement responses and also, the fact that I was issued a warning for posting something not entirely encouraging to the DO-school industry should make people wonder.
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Since you apparently were confused by the warning you were sent by me, I want to clarify that it was for posting the same thread in multiple places on SDN, not for the content.


If you need any further clarification, please consult the Terms of Service of SDN.
 
Thanks for the clarification, Dr. Mom. Your message to me simply said, "You have been warned." I reposted this in the pre-DO forum after someone in the DO forum suggested the thread was misplaced so I am properly chastised for posting a thread in two places.

I really would love to expound on the reasons for my point-of-view but I'm pretty busy, folks. I do think it is worth noticing for all the pre-meds out there and if anyone has specific questions as to my experience or the experience of students I've known throughout the years, you can feel free to PM me. I did do plenty of research prior to my decision to go to DO school but my point is, the research available to me was not comprehensive of both sides of the coin. That was my objective here...

My best piece of advice for someone who worked their a++ off through undergrad is to go with your original goal, which is what I am doing now, although now I have higher stakes because I wasted my early twenties, a lot of money, and dependents. You are mistaken if you think I am the only person with my experience.
 
You really need to explain why you started this thread, or at least give a synopsis of your "bad experience".

Your posts in this thread have been very vague, and give little explanation as to what this thread is about or what it is meant to do. Many of us are interested in the story, but making posts like this will do nothing but piss people off.

Can't you see why this thread, lacking any story or explanation, is so inflammatory? Give us the details!
 
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Thanks for the clarification, Dr. Mom. Your message to me simply said, "You have been warned." I reposted this in the pre-DO forum after someone in the DO forum suggested the thread was misplaced so I am properly chastised for posting a thread in two places.

I really would love to expound on the reasons for my point-of-view but I'm pretty busy, folks. I do think it is worth noticing for all the pre-meds out there and if anyone has specific questions as to my experience or the experience of students I've known throughout the years, you can feel free to PM me. I did do plenty of research prior to my decision to go to DO school but my point is, the research available to me was not comprehensive of both sides of the coin. That was my objective here...

My best piece of advice for someone who worked their a++ off through undergrad is to go with your original goal, which is what I am doing now, although now I have higher stakes because I wasted my early twenties, a lot of money, and dependents. You are mistaken if you think I am the only person with my experience.
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I'm not naive and I believe you when you say that you aren't. But you are being so vague that your objective is lost on me. No research on schools gives the whole picture but when you matriculated you were well aware of the OMM/OMT aspect of the education as well as the tuition you had to pay, were you not? What was so unreasonable about any of the points I or others have raised? I don't understand how you have time to answer pm's but don't have time to answer our queries in the public forum. If it's for privacy sake than so be it, but other than that I'd like to hear what I'm missing here. My point is if a premed applicant goes in with the end in mind (physician with DO after their name) and doesn't get caught up in the bull**** politics of the school, it ought to make matters somewhat less complicated, yes? Really, feel free to correct me if you think I'm wrong. I'm getting the vibe that you feel the degree is below your stature as a student and if so, then whatever floats your boat man. Don't be afraid to say it, but I and/or others will be right there to state our side as well.

I've noticed that you haven't addressed what stage of training you're in, if you've graduated or not, or any points of yours that others have refuted. If I were a premed I'd be questioning your credibility at this point since I know nothing about you or your situation in which case whatever you say comes off as a baseless accusation. Anyway the ball is in your court.
 
First of all if you haven't noticed, I'm female. Second of all, are they really baseless accusations? Have you not encountered dissatisfaction among your ranks? If you say no, I am certain you are lying. Either way, while I appreciate you passing me the ball, I have a lot less time for the internet than it appears you do. I will sit down and try to concisely explain my reasoning in the near future but I did state above my objective for starting the thread was to give a headsup to people who might be making a really important decision. I read the article about schools doing less than right by their students on Alternet.org and while DO schools weren't mentioned, it made me realize it is a widespread phenomenon. I have scores of stories of students who were screwed out of a lot of time and money and whether you want to admit it or not, dear poopologist, I bet you do too. Stick with the largely-endowed schools and universities whose motives and mission are clearly stated and clearly followed.

God bless.
 
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