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Hey everyone,

In celebration of International Women's Day, I had the pleasure of interviewing three awesome women in pharmacy informatics about some of the issues facing Women in Pharmacy Informatics. We discuss a myriad of topics that range from salary, leadership, and job flexibility.

I hope this video inspires others to help bridge some of these gaps!

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Gaps?...Women are the majority of pharmacists.

Why don’t/can’t we have a international man’s day? Isn’t that fair and equal?






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Why don’t/can’t we have a international man’s day? Isn’t that fair and equal?






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Men weren’t really oppressed by women historically. Even though they have one, it’s not really emphasized in society as much because of said reason. They have it everyday essentially. It’s like saying, there’s a international holocaust survivor day, would you really think there would also be a strong emphasis on international nazi day? You know everyone equal right? Would an international men’s day make you happy as a male? Do you really care if you have one or not? Where you are celebrated for being male on a special day? You see how dumb that sounds, when compared to a woman being celebrated when historically they couldn’t even vote just for being born a different gender...? (That’s why it is special/emphasized in today’s society in case you haven’t figured it out by now) It would be very petty to ask for a celebration of men’s day tbh at that point. And asking if that’s fair or equal coming from a male is really something... a man wants fair rights now? See where I’m getting at? And see how you sound?
 
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Anyone considering going into this field should take a moment to consider they were able to get 4 pharmacists together to create a 30 minute video. This is a cushy job for people with the right skills.
 
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Last I checked, the chief preceptor at NIH for Pharmacy Informatics is a woman. The chief developer of pharmacy transaction protocol standards is a woman. And the most production research group in pharmcovigilance (which was the original form that caused informatics to be created) is a woman. There isn't a discrimination problem, actually, the program used to discriminate heavily against a certain type of person (not men or skin color, something else).
 
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Men weren’t really oppressed by women historically. Even though they have one, it’s not really emphasized in society as much because of said reason. They have it everyday essentially. It’s like saying, there’s a international holocaust survivor day, would you really think there would also be a strong emphasis on international nazi day? You know everyone equal right? Would an international men’s day make you happy as a male? Do you really care if you have one or not? Where you are celebrated for being male on a special day? You see how dumb that sounds, when compared to a woman being celebrated when historically they couldn’t even vote just for being born a different gender...? (That’s why it is special/emphasized in today’s society in case you haven’t figured it out by now) It would be very petty to ask for a celebration of men’s day tbh at that point. And asking if that’s fair or equal coming from a male is really something... a man wants fair rights now? See where I’m getting at? And see how you sound?

I keep playing devils advocate and derailing threads. Sorry.


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Men weren’t really oppressed by women historically. Even though they have one, it’s not really emphasized in society as much because of said reason. They have it everyday essentially. It’s like saying, there’s a international holocaust survivor day, would you really think there would also be a strong emphasis on international nazi day? You know everyone equal right? Would an international men’s day make you happy as a male? Do you really care if you have one or not? Where you are celebrated for being male on a special day? You see how dumb that sounds, when compared to a woman being celebrated when historically they couldn’t even vote just for being born a different gender...? (That’s why it is special/emphasized in today’s society in case you haven’t figured it out by now) It would be very petty to ask for a celebration of men’s day tbh at that point. And asking if that’s fair or equal coming from a male is really something... a man wants fair rights now? See where I’m getting at? And see how you sound?

In my wife's country, where this holiday has actually been celebrated for a long time now, it's seen as a day of appreciation for the feminine value and beauty that women add to our lives. Flowers are exchanged and cards with declarations of appreciation are read (traditionally in person and out loud). Kinda like a mother's day for everyone.

Here it's about a rah-rah, women-power, one up the men and fight the oppression, OMG we had no voting rights just like most men in the last century, and other shenanigans. I think it stems from society's instilled fear of men in general. I even had a Nigerian pharmacist I once congratulated for women's day and she replied something like, "Not until women are payed equally!" and I'm like "OH **** ROSE, WE GOTTA START A LAWSUIT NOW WHO'S THE COMPANY DOING IT?!?! WE CAN MAKE SOME BIGASS CASH FROM THAT!" and there was some blubbering about "the system" and "patriarchy" but then an acknowledgement that it's all bull****. She told my wife that I was a "great pharmacist" because I "respect women of color" or something. I think it was just because I let her slack off because she was only forced into my pharmacy only one day per week and simply treated her like a human being.

Anytime I hear about the "oppression" I can do is chuckle and remember how many men are married. :)
 
Gaps?...Women are the majority of pharmacists.

Why don’t/can’t we have a international man’s day? Isn’t that fair and equal?






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Nothing is stopping you from celebrating Man's day.
 
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Nothing is stopping you from celebrating Man's day.

If I announced "National Man Pharmacist Day" and made a campaign to start it, you (extreme SJWs) would have a conniption because "everyday is man day". Right?
 
If I announced "National Man Pharmacist Day" and made a campaign to start it, you (extreme SJWs) would have a conniption because "everyday is man day". Right?
No one is stopping you from celebrating "Man's day". Its ridiculously derogatory and misogynistic for you to blatantly hate on women for just wanting to celebrate their gender. I'm not even an "extreme SJWs" i'm just a normal liberal...
 
"I'm not even an "extreme SJWs" i'm just a normal liberal" preceded by "[You are] ridiculously derogatory and misogynistic...blatantly hate on women"

I don't buy it, not even on double-coupon day.

Interesting to critique based on "women wanting to celebrate their gender" when the OP and this thread is clearly not about that.
 
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No one is stopping you from celebrating "Man's day". Its ridiculously derogatory and misogynistic for you to blatantly hate on women for just wanting to celebrate their gender. I'm not even an "extreme SJWs" i'm just a normal liberal...

Hate? Women are kicking ass across the country and outperforming men in a majority of areas last time I checked. You’re already throwing a temper tantrum over nothing.


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Hate? Women are kicking ass across the country and outperforming men in a majority of areas last time I checked. You’re already throwing a temper tantrum over nothing.


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Agreed. Women are much better drivers and have much less fetal car accidents than men. They also succeed better in school and higher education. In fact pharmacy used to be mainly men but now it's mostly women as women have out competed men in the pharmacy occupation. I think the future will be women in most political and positions of power with men specializing in manual labor / construction and truck driving. As a male i'm embarrassed for our gender than we have such high accidents making women's driving insurance go way up to average it out for men.

Men also make up a disproportionate amount of prisoners and criminal acts. I respect women for putting up with this and helping pay for prisons that mostly house men. All in all I honestly believe women to be the more advanced gender and can't wait to see them become more equal to men in pay and other categories they are in a disadvantage in.
 
Agreed. Women are much better drivers and have much less fetal car accidents than men. They also succeed better in school and higher education. In fact pharmacy used to be mainly men but now it's mostly women as women have out competed men in the pharmacy occupation. I think the future will be women in most political and positions of power with men specializing in manual labor / construction and truck driving. As a male i'm embarrassed for our gender than we have such high accidents making women's driving insurance go way up to average it out for men.

Men also make up a disproportionate amount of prisoners and criminal acts. I respect women for putting up with this and helping pay for prisons that mostly house men. All in all I honestly believe women to be the more advanced gender and can't wait to see them become more equal to men in pay and other categories they are in a disadvantage in.
Can't tell if trolling or actually a self hating man.
 
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Why are you trying to misrepresent my message as trolling to try to invalidate it. I'm not hating on anyone... :(

Because your views are ridiculous...and I honestly can't tell if this is an elaborate troll or if you actually think that men are fundamentally and intrinsically broken people.
 
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Because your views are ridiculous...and I honestly can't tell if this is an elaborate troll or if you actually think that men are fundamentally and intrinsically broken people.

Thank you for the response Sir. However you are misrepresenting what I am saying by over emphasizing my comments into hyperbole in order to make them easy to dismiss.

Of course most men and women are normal law abiding people and good drivers.

Women have hard it very hard with men overpowering them and disallowing them reproductive rights to their own bodies. Added together with high domestic violence rates and the male - to - female sexual assault and murder rates it's very hard not to empathize with the female genders struggle for fairness.
 
One hospital I worked at had 3 informatics pharmacists and they were all women.
 
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Women have hard it very hard with men overpowering them and disallowing them reproductive rights to their own bodies. Added together with high domestic violence rates and the male - to - female sexual assault and murder rates it's very hard not to empathize with the female genders struggle for fairness.

This is why I use the women's restroom with my wife at Target and TJMaxx. Keep her safe from those other guys. Hell yeah equality, desegregate all those safezones!
 
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Thank you for the response Sir. However you are misrepresenting what I am saying by over emphasizing my comments into hyperbole in order to make them easy to dismiss.

Of course most men and women are normal law abiding people and good drivers.

Women have hard it very hard with men overpowering them and disallowing them reproductive rights to their own bodies. Added together with high domestic violence rates and the male - to - female sexual assault and murder rates it's very hard not to empathize with the female genders struggle for fairness.

You think men are only good for manual labor and that women are the "advanced gender?" That's, again, ridiculous. If I'm misrepresenting something, do tell.

I'd agree that small people generally get abused physically by larger people. That does in fact suck. And I don't see that ever changing because that's how ****ty humans act. And there will always be ****ty humans. Women are just as likely to physically abuse their children. Again -- just ****ty people taking it out on those weaker than them. It's already illegal and punishable by severe penalty. I don't see women outrunning that, ever. It requires humans not being ****ty, which, again, isn't going to happen.

It's also 2018. Women have full reproductive rights. In fact, at this point it could be argued that they not only have complete rights over their own reproduction, but they have full control over mens' reproductive rights. A man can't opt out once pregnancy happens. Hell, in fact, their reproductive rights are the only type of medical care guaranteed to be 100% covered with no cost by the Affordable Care Act. A person with a congenital birth defect has to pay a copay on their medication. A perfectly healthy woman that wants to have worry-free sex gets federally mandated free contraception. We can probably stop using that one as an example of women getting the short end of the stick. That's done a complete 180 over the last generation.
 
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This is why I use the women's restroom with my wife at Target and TJMaxx. Keep her safe from those other guys. Hell yeah equality, desegregate all those safezones!
Unless you identify as the female gender you really shouldn't be using female restrooms.
 
The real question is where the hell is International Hillbilly Day? I'm waiting.
"Appalachian American". I put it on applications. Everybody else is a protected class.
 
Can there be such a thing as asexual? My NIH lab director was emphatically a virgin, having no contact with the other sex or his own (or himself). He really directed all his energy into work. The only time I saw him close to anything like limerence or pique was when he was discussing his work with Octo Barnett for x number of years at MGH.

That’s when I discovered that I didn’t have what it took to promote to Senior Investigator in the Title 42 series.
 
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In my wife's country, where this holiday has actually been celebrated for a long time now, it's seen as a day of appreciation for the feminine value and beauty that women add to our lives. Flowers are exchanged and cards with declarations of appreciation are read (traditionally in person and out loud). Kinda like a mother's day for everyone.

Here it's about a rah-rah, women-power, one up the men and fight the oppression, OMG we had no voting rights just like most men in the last century, and other shenanigans. I think it stems from society's instilled fear of men in general. I even had a Nigerian pharmacist I once congratulated for women's day and she replied something like, "Not until women are payed equally!" and I'm like "OH **** ROSE, WE GOTTA START A LAWSUIT NOW WHO'S THE COMPANY DOING IT?!?! WE CAN MAKE SOME BIGASS CASH FROM THAT!" and there was some blubbering about "the system" and "patriarchy" but then an acknowledgement that it's all bull****. She told my wife that I was a "great pharmacist" because I "respect women of color" or something. I think it was just because I let her slack off because she was only forced into my pharmacy only one day per week and simply treated her like a human being.

Anytime I hear about the "oppression" I can do is chuckle and remember how many men are married. :)
Same here.

It seems that the use of March 8th as a rallying cry for social Marxism only exists in Western countries
 
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If I announced "National Man Pharmacist Day" and made a campaign to start it, you (extreme SJWs) would have a conniption because "everyday is man day". Right?

"It's everyday bro".

On a serious note, I'm surprised something like this stirred up so much discussion. This started out as a a discussion with my colleagues you see in the video. We talked about various topics impacting women in general, some of which were in the video, and it was pretty informative to me as I'm not very knowledgeable in this area. The most I've probably learned about these issues were from a AJHP article I read in 2017 titled 'Women in leadership and the bewildering glass ceiling' (Women in leadership and the bewildering glass ceiling).

Maybe it's because I just started my MPH program, but I feel as though promoting discussion on these topics are important. I think many of us are oblivious to all the issues going on in the world, especially when it doesn't directly impact us, that some of these issues don't get the attention or resources needed for resolution.

Cheers - thanks for the discussion
 
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I have a question on Informatics. I am currently 6 years post my Pharm. D graduation and have been working for the pharmaceutical industry since then in Drug Safety. I recently was contacted by USF representative for their Informatics program (they got my number from the alumni association, they said).....I had a long chat with the lady on phone.
Its a completely online MS Informatics program and the cost is 29,900. It sounded tempting and they were positive about a job in Informatics post graduation from their program, and also a certification. I just wanted to know everyone's thoughts on this!

Is it worth it or waste of time and money to do this after PharmD.?

What are the chances of landing into an Informatics job with 6 years of Pharma Industry experience?

What are some other job titles that we can pursue in Informatics besides "Pharmaceutical Informatics Associate" which is known as PIA as some recruiters call it.

Any other feedback that ya'll would want to add? Your feedback is appreciated!
 
I have a question on Informatics. I am currently 6 years post my Pharm. D graduation and have been working for the pharmaceutical industry since then in Drug Safety. I recently was contacted by USF representative for their Informatics program (they got my number from the alumni association, they said).....I had a long chat with the lady on phone.
Its a completely online MS Informatics program and the cost is 29,900. It sounded tempting and they were positive about a job in Informatics post graduation from their program, and also a certification. I just wanted to know everyone's thoughts on this!

Is it worth it or waste of time and money to do this after PharmD.?

What are the chances of landing into an Informatics job with 6 years of Pharma Industry experience?

What are some other job titles that we can pursue in Informatics besides "Pharmaceutical Informatics Associate" which is known as PIA as some recruiters call it.

Any other feedback that ya'll would want to add? Your feedback is appreciated!

I'll tackle a few of these questions but it may be out of other.

1. Other job titles?
(Clinical) Informatics Pharmacist, Application Analyst, IT Pharmacist, Clinical Application Specialist, etc. Pharmacy automation is also a good search term, as are the specific EHR vendors. Meditech Pharmacy, Epic Willow, Cerner PharmNet etc.

2. Worth it or waste of time?
This is hard to say. It's been a few years since I was job hunting, but at the time there was a mix of job requirements. Some places wanted PGY2, some on the job experience, others a mixture. I saw more than one job posting that considered the masters to be a preferred requirement. However, I landed my job with nothing but a couple years of inpatient work, a few IT related projects, and a willingness to move across country.

The odds will be stacked against you due to your background. This type of position needs someone with a strong operation background, clinical experience, and technical aptitude. I would argue that someone with your background would struggle most with the operational experience. This is something that you can only get from actually working in a hospital. That being said, strong communication skills can overcome this limitation in my opinion. I would lean into that during any interview. Be willing to learn from and understand your end users. Perform job shadowing, whatever you need to bridge that gap.

3. Chances?
Hard to say. It depends a lot on you as an individual and those interviewing you. Helpful, I know.

The more specialized the job in pharmacy, the more likely you are to have to move. I'm sure you are aware of that given your background in one of the Unicorn (TM) fields. There are usually several informatics jobs open nationwide at any time, but the likelihood of them being in your current city is pretty low. It may be worth it to take a job in a less desirable area for a couple years to build your experience. Speaking from experience, that is difficult but worth it. This job can provide you with an amazing work-life balance not found anywhere else in pharmacy, plus it can be exhilarating if you are the type of person who loves to analyze problems and find solutions. I've had more than one occasion where my "code blue" instincts kicked in even though I was dealing with an IT problem rather than a code.

4. Other feedback?
Just go for it. If you want to do this, then start applying to every job you see. I give the same advice to new grads that didn't match and want to work hospital. Don't just wait to apply for residency next year, put yourself out there and see what happens. Tailor your resume to highlight your strengths that are useful in this field. The health IT degrees are for people without the proper background for this job IMO. A PharmD is a terminal degree and qualifies you for any position in pharmacy in my opinion.

However...I will admit that I'm tempted to complete a masters in health informatics even though I'm already employed in the field. It just seems like it would be fun.
 
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I'll tackle a few of these questions but it may be out of other.

1. Other job titles?
(Clinical) Informatics Pharmacist, Application Analyst, IT Pharmacist, Clinical Application Specialist, etc. Pharmacy automation is also a good search term, as are the specific EHR vendors. Meditech Pharmacy, Epic Willow, Cerner PharmNet etc.

2. Worth it or waste of time?
This is hard to say. It's been a few years since I was job hunting, but at the time there was a mix of job requirements. Some places wanted PGY2, some on the job experience, others a mixture. I saw more than one job posting that considered the masters to be a preferred requirement. However, I landed my job with nothing but a couple years of inpatient work, a few IT related projects, and a willingness to move across country.

The odds will be stacked against you due to your background. This type of position needs someone with a strong operation background, clinical experience, and technical aptitude. I would argue that someone with your background would struggle most with the operational experience. This is something that you can only get from actually working in a hospital. That being said, strong communication skills can overcome this limitation in my opinion. I would lean into that during any interview. Be willing to learn from and understand your end users. Perform job shadowing, whatever you need to bridge that gap.

3. Chances?
Hard to say. It depends a lot on you as an individual and those interviewing you. Helpful, I know.

The more specialized the job in pharmacy, the more likely you are to have to move. I'm sure you are aware of that given your background in one of the Unicorn (TM) fields. There are usually several informatics jobs open nationwide at any time, but the likelihood of them being in your current city is pretty low. It may be worth it to take a job in a less desirable area for a couple years to build your experience. Speaking from experience, that is difficult but worth it. This job can provide you with an amazing work-life balance not found anywhere else in pharmacy, plus it can be exhilarating if you are the type of person who loves to analyze problems and find solutions. I've had more than one occasion where my "code blue" instincts kicked in even though I was dealing with an IT problem rather than a code.

4. Other feedback?
Just go for it. If you want to do this, then start applying to every job you see. I give the same advice to new grads that didn't match and want to work hospital. Don't just wait to apply for residency next year, put yourself out there and see what happens. Tailor your resume to highlight your strengths that are useful in this field. The health IT degrees are for people without the proper background for this job IMO. A PharmD is a terminal degree and qualifies you for any position in pharmacy in my opinion.

However...I will admit that I'm tempted to complete a masters in health informatics even though I'm already employed in the field. It just seems like it would be fun.


Thank you so much for your detailed response. It was helpful. I appreciate!
 
I have been working on this profile for more than 6 years and I remember the number of female pharmacists was less but after few years I saw the half of the majority was female in this sector. Students choose it as a career on the basis of their interest to serve the particular sector but not on the basis of gender inequality.
 
@Robbin, what does your typical day look like at work if you don't mind me asking? Just to get an idea as I am thinking to make a switch from Industry to Imformatics
 
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