WOrried

[JayMiranti]

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Hey everyone,

I am really becoming concerned about my situation, and could use some feedback.

I applied last year with a 3.5cum/3.3sci/26Q(10v,7p,9b) math major from U. roch. Im a CT resident, interviewed at uconn, waitlist, no luck.

This year im applying again with a
3.6cum/3.4 sci/28M(10v,9p,9b) after retaking the mcat, and getting straight A's senior year.

I have good ECs including emt and teaching experience.

So last year I only got one invite, this year I have 5, but i wonder what my chances are?

Drexel, Einstein, NYMC, Georgetown, and Uconn are the 5.

Part of me feels like these are the kind of schools that are quick to interview, yet not so easy to get into.

i feel like im in a tough spot. My only in state schools are yale and Uconn, which are both super competitive, and my mcat i think will hold me back.

I am dreading the thought of reapplying again, but considering applying as a resident of a different state to increase my chances.
I would just hate to do it all again when i am so close.

What do you all think? How would you feel to be in my shoes?

 

[TRUE]

i think you shouldn't worry just yet. Getting interviews at those 5 schools is pretty good. Don't think that they interview a lot of people and yet it's hard to get into them. Drexel for instance accepts about 60% of the people who interview!!! That might go even higher with the whole uncertainty about the closing of MCP hospital. In short: you still have a good shot. Just wait and see.

 

[Wardens]

I think it's way too early to be considering changing states for another year's cycle. You look like you're in a great position. I'd just sit back for a while and wait to hear. If you don't get in this cycle with five interviews, regardless of the schools, it's not your numbers that are holding you back. Just sit tight; I'm sure you'll do well.

 

[Amy B]

Uconn will look at your application and compare it too last year, then they will see you have improved on both your MCAT and your GPA. Hopefully that will get you an acceptance. It should!!!!

Did you only apply to those 5 schools, or are those the only ones you have interviews at?

 

[JayMiranti]

I applied to around 20 schools, still waiting to hear from some, but expecting the worst since it is this late in the game.

Dont get me wrong i am very happy with all of my interviews, I just fear being just good enough to reject (after waitlist) at all of those places.
I wish i had a shoe-in state school, everyone says 28 is usually "good enough" but who knows, it is definitely below average at these places.

Is there any # of interviews to acceptances correlation? Like I feel after getting 3 interviews, you should end up getting in somewhere probability wise? eh? hopefully 5 will do it, all i need is one accept.


Any suggestions as to what i do to improve my app? To stop stressing about this?

J

 

[TRUE]

To improve your application, I would send in any updates you can. If you won an award, did some more research (even got some good results), got good grades this semester, etc.. In addition, write a letter expressing your interest in your top choice. I don't know too much about that personally, but I'm sure others here can give you some more advice on that.

As for the stress part, just breathe 🙂 Do some exercise. Occupy your day with something else...it'll all come for you. Don't worry 🙂 As of right now, you are just as easily into those 5 schools than you are being rejected from them. You don't know either way...think positive about yourself and your chances.

 

[Insert]

And to present the voice of reason to so many applicants like you with similar stats who fail to do this and apply year after year only to get rejected: Apply to osteopathic schools.

 

[JayMiranti]

Id honestly rather wait a year and get into an allo school, year after year of getting rejected i would consider it, but being this close and this early on, ill just stick it out.

 

[Insert]

Originally posted by JayMiranti
Id honestly rather wait a year and get into an allo school, year after year of getting rejected i would consider it, but being this close and this early on, ill just stick it out.

Sad. Perhaps you really just want that MD, and not the opportunity to be a doctor.

 

[JayMiranti]

its cool how you take a thread entitled "worried" and turn it into a personal attack on the poster for not agreeing with you

 

[Insert]

Hey, I'm just trying to help you out. If you want to waste thousands of dollars each year and get rejected over and over again when you could save your cash and accomplish your goal of being a doctor by applying to DO, then that's your problem.

 

[Moose1]

perhaps the poster just doesn't mesh with the philosophy of a DO. nothing wrong with that. to each their own.

 

[exmike]

Originally posted by Insert
Hey, I'm just trying to help you out. If you want to waste thousands of dollars each year and get rejected over and over again when you could save your cash and accomplish your goal of being a doctor by applying to DO, then that's your problem.

If his goal is to make it to an allopathic school, then so be it, you shouldn't see it as an affront to DO schools. after all, he has a very good chance at a MD school. No need to get defensive about his denial of DO school. And as another poster mentioned, he obviously wouldnt fit the DO philosophy anyway.

 

[Insert]

No. I just like to expose DO haters like him. Any intelligent person would not put themselves through application cycle and application cycle of rejection and still be too stubborn to apply DO. I know his type.

 

[ChiaPet312]

insert, are you a DO applicant/student?

 

[Supadupafly]

MY AVATAR!!

 

[genome25]

Originally posted by Supadupafly
MY AVATAR!!

looks like Moose1 registered one month before you!

 

[Insert]

Originally posted by ChiaPet312
insert, are you a DO applicant/student?

I am going to be a 1st year DO student this coming year. In my opinion, DOs are better than MDs because they learn manipulation. It is for this fact that I only applied to osteopathic schools.

 

[idq1i]

Originally posted by Insert
I am going to be a 1st year DO student this coming year. In my opinion, DOs are better than MDs because they learn manipulation. It is for this fact that I only applied to osteopathic schools.

Stupid, baseless, misinformed opinion. Only 5% of DOs practice that which you believe makes them "superior"🙄

 

[ChiaPet312]

sorry...can't help but respond....

insert,

i asked whether or not you're a DO student to see why you'd be pushing someone else to make a DO degree their 'last resort'. if you think DO's are so much better than MD's, why would you be telling someone to go to DO school b/c they can't get into MD school? dude, doesn't look too hot on your part.

and just so you know, MD's can learn manipulation too.

 

[Insert]

Originally posted by idq1i
Stupid, baseless, misinformed opinion. Only 5% of DOs practice that which you believe makes them "superior"🙄

And I will use manipulation to be part of that 5%.

Chiapet, I'm just trying to help someone out. They can either take my good advice and heed it making their life ALOT easier. Or they can choose to be headstrong and get rejected over and over again.

 

[DrSal]

I hear the DO's aren't considered doctors in certain countries. So perhaps the OP is trying to avoid such a mis-hap if s/he were to explore international options..

Just a thought.

 

[BerkeleyPremed]

Originally posted by Insert
Hey, I'm just trying to help you out. If you want to waste thousands of dollars each year and get rejected over and over again when you could save your cash and accomplish your goal of being a doctor by applying to DO, then that's your problem.

🙄 Why are you assuming that he's going to get rejected this application cycle? Did you not read his post and realize that he improved ALL of his numbers for this year (BCPM GPA, cum GPA, and MCAT)??? If he was applying with the same numbers and same ECs (no new publications, no new awards, no additional EC experience), then I could understand why you might think he stands a fair chance of getting rejected again. However, he improved ALL his numbers and has 5 interviews slated at MD schools. Why are you just assuming failure?

Did the thought ever occur to you that maybe the DO philosophy just doesn't resonate with him? Maybe he prefers the philosophy of MD schools? Maybe he researched the MD programs that he applied to and only chose those programs because they had the best fit for him? Secondly, why are you even bringing this "superiority of the DO" issue into this thread? This issue has absolutely nothing to do with the original post. The OP didn't even mention DO schools at all and the poster certainly didn't make any negative comments about them.

And lastly, I don't think DOs are better than MDs because they use "manipulation"...on the same token...I don't think MDs are unequivocally better than DOs. You need to stop defending your chosen path in the medical field. It has nothing to do with this thread at all.

 

[Insert]

Originally posted by BerkeleyPremed
However, he improved ALL his numbers and has 5 interviews slated at MD schools. Why are you just assuming failure?

Good for him. I'm not assuming failure, but merely giving him options in case of failure. He didn't want to listen to reasonable alternatives.

Originally posted by BerkeleyPremed
Did the thought ever occur to you that maybe the DO philosophy just doesn't resonate with him? Maybe he prefers the philosophy of MD schools?

Let's get one thing straight. There exists no such MD philosophy, but there does exist a DO philosophy. I enjoy watching how people argue that this so called MD philosophy appeals more when it is non existent. This is a very bad argument.

Originally posted by BerkeleyPremed
Maybe he researched the MD programs that he applied to and only chose those programs because they had the best fit for him?

I am sure that if he did research DO programs he could easily find programs that fit him, probably moreso than the MD programs. He doesn't even want to give them a chance.

Originally posted by BerkeleyPremed
And lastly, I don't think DOs are better than MDs because they use "manipulation".

I do and it is my opinion.

 

[LUBDUBB]

Originally posted by Insert
I am going to be a 1st year DO student this coming year. In my opinion, DOs are better than MDs because they learn manipulation. It is for this fact that I only applied to osteopathic schools.

Dude you better stop responding because you're perpetuating the DO stigma.

 

[Rendar5]

Originally posted by ChiaPet312
sorry...can't help but respond....

insert,

i asked whether or not you're a DO student to see why you'd be pushing someone else to make a DO degree their 'last resort'. if you think DO's are so much better than MD's, why would you be telling someone to go to DO school b/c they can't get into MD school? dude, doesn't look too hot on your part.

and just so you know, MD's can learn manipulation too.

That's actually what I'm planning on doing. Learning som manipulation after I get my degree.

 

[SD929]

I hate to be a dumba s s but what is the DO philosophy?

 

[Insert]

Originally posted by LUBDUBB
Dude you better stop responding because you're perpetuating the DO stigma.

Your wrong. I'm actually getting the word out about DOs and to those who may want to learn about them like SD929.

SD929, they view the patient as a whole person and not just a collection of parts. They practice disease prevention, and are not as quick to prescribe medicine as MDs. They examine the lifestyle of a person as this is important in figuring how what is wrong with them. They also use manipulation much like a chiropractor to alleviate pains where many times an MD would just prescribe medicine. This is why I believe a DO is better than an MD.

 

[SD929]

Originally posted by Insert
Your wrong. I'm actually getting the word out about DOs and to those who may want to learn about them like SD929.

SD929, they view the patient as a whole person and not just a collection of parts. They practice disease prevention, and are not as quick to prescribe medicine as MDs. They examine the lifestyle of a person as this is important in figuring how what is wrong with them. They also use manipulation much like a chiropractor to alleviate pains where many times an MD would just prescribe medicine. This is why I believe a DO is better than an MD.

Thanks for the info. Are the procedues that non-conventional that they utilize? I still don't understand the amount of flack DOs seemingly get (well at least on this board).

Cheers - and thanks again

 

[Rendar5]

Y'know, if someone is fairly adamant about applying only to MD schools (similar to you, who applied only to DO schools), it is possible that they just don't like the whole DO philosophy and think it's inferior, which would be the opposite of you.

If they don't want to go because they just want 2 letters, then you are right to be pissed off. But you can't automatically make that assumption.

 

[Insert]

Originally posted by SD929
Thanks for the info. Are the procedues that non-conventional that they utilize? I still don't understand the amount of flack DOs seemingly get (well at least on this board).

Cheers - and thanks again

No they prescribe the same medicines that MDs do and at times, the differences in practice are negligible.

The reason why they get flack is because it's a bit easier to get into DO schools because they look passed the numbers and more at the qualities of the applicant. They accept more nontraditionals as well.

 

[lizzylu]

JayMiranti-
Just another opinion from the opinionate pre-meds we are. I think you're good to go. w/ the number of interviews you've had your chances are exceptionally well of getting in somewhere. And that seems to be what's important to you.
Also, for future reference, my uncle/mentor, a physician, said that the best state to move to if you're trying to get residency for in-state is Louisiana. They've got great schools there and if you're a resident you're also a shoe-in. (and from my opinion Texas seems to be similar).
Hope this info helps, keep us updated when you get in!

 

[DannGee]

Originally posted by Rendar5

If they don't want to go because they just want 2 letters, then you are right to be pissed off. But you can't automatically make that assumption.

i don't think he's right to be pissed off- how is the fact that someone wants to go to an MD school antagonistic? isn't insert doing the exactly same thing, by applying to only DO schools? I mean, he says that he chose to apply only to DO schools because he considers them to be inferior- why can't the OP do the same thing with MD schools? It's just a matter of preference, and (to some extent) your numbers. I, for instance, only applied to MD schools because I liked my chances at MD schools, which I in fact prefer to DO schools. I didn't feel the need to apply to any because I couldn't see myself at any of them. what's wrong with that?

 

[Rendar5]

Originally posted by DannGee
i don't think he's right to be pissed off- how is the fact that someone wants to go to an MD school antagonistic? isn't insert doing the exactly same thing, by applying to only DO schools? I mean, he says that he chose to apply only to DO schools because he considers them to be inferior- why can't the OP do the same thing with MD schools? It's just a matter of preference, and (to some extent) your numbers. I, for instance, only applied to MD schools because I liked my chances at MD schools, which I in fact prefer to DO schools. I didn't feel the need to apply to any because I couldn't see myself at any of them. what's wrong with that?

I don't think you got what I meant. I was referring to people who refuse to apply to a DO school because they think MD sounds more elite.

 

[Insert]

Originally posted by DannGee
I mean, he says that he chose to apply only to DO schools because he considers them to be inferior- why can't the OP do the same thing with MD schools? It's just a matter of preference, and (to some extent) your numbers.

I am not sure what you meant in your first sentence, but I do believe MD is inferior to DO. The difference between me and the OP is that had I not been accepted to any DO schools the first time around, the next time I would have applied to DO AND MD schools to increase my chances. I would have gladly settled for MD if I could not have been a DO because I still would have been a physician.

The OP would not do the same thing reversed if he were put in that position, and it IS because of the letters he wants behind his name. If it wasn't, then he wouldn't care about applying to DO school.

 

[OnMyWayThere]

I've worked with two D.O.'s. I got very close to them. They BOTH suggested that I do not take their route. In fact, they both share the feeling that they wish they were MD. MD has better residencies, respect from others, and the whole 9.

I am in no way underplaying DOs. I would be one.

For this person named Insert who is plugging away, TWO of TWO DO's I've worked for recommended MD. All physicians in the E.R. had an MD after their name except the DO, he just had his name with nothing following it. He doesn't feel like explaining to everyone that he couldn't get into MD school at the same not wanna lie and say " he chose it".

Just giving you all some insight from actual DOs. This in NO way says this is better than that or do this vs. that. It's your life, live it how you want to. Just be careful with your decisions and becareful what you say. Nobody is inferior to anybody.

 

[Amy B]

Originally posted by OnMyWayThere
I've worked with two D.O.'s. I got very close to them. They BOTH suggested that I do not take their route. In fact, they both share the feeling that they wish they were MD. MD has better residencies, respect from others, and the whole 9.

Just curious but about how old are these 2 DOs you know?

 

[JayMiranti]

Listen,

What kind of person so intensely pushes their philosophy down other peoples throats? Get out of here with your feable attempts to boast about yourself and your own righteousness. Do you know that such a lack of personal skills is a negative stereotype modern physicians carry?

No one cares about this tired and lame debate, DO vs MD. Different strokes for different folks. DO and MD are two sets of two different letters. If the professions were the same, they would be the same letters. I chose the MD profession, if you dont, thats cool, but dont EVER judge someone elses decisions as wrong if they are not the same as your own, or make you feel uncomfortable about your decision.

If someone is rejected year after year after year from allopathic school, you STILL dont have the right to tell them that they are only seeking the two letters after their name. They are seeking a specific goal and profession. Sure logically most people, including myself in that situation, would apply to DO schools. But why do you even care at all what other people do? Get out of here.

Let people do whatever actions they want without being judged by insecure internet tough guys.

How about sticking to the thread topic, and not trying to divert all the attention to justifying your own decision?

Why not start a DO is superior to MD thread, and talk amongst yourselves if that is the be all end all of your SDN experience.
You can talk about manipulation, the whole patient, whatever mantra it is that makes you SO excited about being a DO, until you orgasm with happiness and turn into a ball of osteopathic energy.

 

[Auricae]

Originally posted by JayMiranti
You can talk about manipulation, the whole patient, whatever mantra it is that makes you SO excited about being a DO, until you orgasm with happiness and turn into a ball of osteopathic energy.

lol!

Fact is, it's the individual that matters. Put a strong candidate in either a D.O. or an M.D. school and he will turn out pretty much the same. This debate is boring.

 

[Insert]

Originally posted by OnMyWayThere
TWO of TWO DO's I've worked for recommended MD.

Oh, since TWO DOs said they wished they were MDs that must mean ALL DOs wish they were MDs. 🙄

For every DO you can find that wishes they were an MD, I could find one that is proud to be a DO.

Originally posted by JayMiranti
DO and MD are two sets of two different letters. If the professions were the same, they would be the same letters.

Last time I checked, DOs and MDs practiced medicine and surgery in the same way. The only difference IS the letters. Maybe if you learned more about DOs you would realize this and not make such ignorant statements.

Originally posted by JayMiranti
If someone is rejected year after year after year from allopathic school, you STILL dont have the right to tell them that they are only seeking the two letters after their name. They are seeking a specific goal and profession.

Even if I don't have the right, isn't that what it is. You ARE seeking the letters behind your name. Your argument is trying to depict DOs and MDs as separate professions which is NOT true. If your goal was to become a physician, you wouldn't care what letters were behind your name.

Your argument is very weak, and you still have not presented good reasons why you would put yourself through hell and apply over and over again to allopathic schools if rejected.

 

[Rendar5]

because you don't like the osteopathic philosophy of medicine is a perfectly valid reason to keep applying only to allopathic schools. I do agree that normally elitism is what causes this, but you can't automatically assume this. I would expect the same thing of someone who loved the osteopathic philosophy to keep applying to osteopathic schools year after year.

 

[Insert]

Originally posted by Rendar5
I do agree that normally elitism is what causes this, but you can't automatically assume this.

What else could it be. A person who only applies to only MD schools year after year is being an elitist. Such a person would rather endure the pain and suffering of rejection than learn how to become a doctor with a slightly different philosophy. I don't see how else one can justify such a grave decision. Are these people so at odds with such a perceived difference in philosophy that they are willing to waste 2 to 3 to 4 years of their lives.

Maybe after 2 or 3 years of rejection they will realize that ALLOPATHIC SCHOOLS DON'T WANT THEM. Why would you want something that doesn't want you. It's masochism if you ask me. You want what you can't have.

 

[Kashue]

How in hell did this thread deteriorate to an MD vs DO thread. Oh yea, I forgot this is SDN.

Hey, the D in SDN is for D.O. or for M.D.!

Thought I'd add that. You may all go on and argue.

 

[Insert]

Originally posted by Kashue
Thought I'd add that. You may all go on and argue.

I'd also like to add that this site was started by a DO and was originally only for DOs and pre-DOs. It was only a few years back that they decided to let you pre-MDs and MDs have a chance to share information.

 

[TRUE]

Originally posted by Insert
I'd also like to add that this site was started by a DO and was originally only for DOs and pre-DOs. It was only a few years back that they decided to let you pre-MDs and MDs have a chance to share information.

Wonderful. Is that suppossed to make DO's better? I think more than anything, that shows the point that DO's and MD's are equal. There really is no need to bash you for being a DO zealot, or the any of us, for wanting to persue our MD's. It is the way it is and just accept that fact.

 

[HoodyHoo]

I'm sick of the MD/DO argument. It is endless and pointless. Have you ever seen a doctor and known where he/she went to med school or what type of degree they have....probably not. in the end, we all will do the same ******* thing. True, many go to DO school after being rejected by MD, but many also go to DO over MD. I guess I also want to say blah blah blah, and some more blah...

My couple cents

 

[Insert]

Originally posted by HoodyHoo
I'm sick of the MD/DO argument. It is endless and pointless. Have you ever seen a doctor and known where he/she went to med school or what type of degree they have....probably not. in the end, we all will do the same ******* thing. True, many go to DO school after being rejected by MD, but many also go to DO over MD.

This is true, but in order to get the word out about DOs, we must introduce the topic or else ignorance will persist. Just look at how JayMiranti is so oblivious to DOs that he thinks it's a separate profession from MDs. 🙄

 

[OnMyWayThere]

Originally posted by Insert
Oh, since TWO DOs said they wished they were MDs that must mean ALL DOs wish they were MDs. 🙄

Uhmmm... where in my post did it say that? I think you should pursue a degree in M.D. and become a Psychiatrist. You can then find what is going on with yourself since you are now making stuff up.

In response to Amy B who wanted to know the age of the D.O.'s I worked for who strongly discouraged a D.O. degree, one was around 35 and the other is exactly 54 years old.

I wish I was a moderator so that I could shut this board down as it is not helping at all. In fact, it's a waste of valuable time.

 

[OnMyWayThere]

Originally posted by Insert
This is true, but in order to get the word out about DOs, we must introduce the topic or else ignorance will persist. Just look at how JayMiranti is so oblivious to DOs that he thinks it's a separate profession from MDs. 🙄

Dude, you're not helping the image of D.O.'s at all. Just put an end to this as you got your point across. What's the point of this continuing?

 

[Insert]

Onmyway, you suggested that you were giving us insight from actual DOs. Two DOs are not a large enough statistical sample to have an impact. Perhaps, if you had said 50 DOs all told you they wish they were MDs that would have some impact.

I probably could find 2 MDs who wished they went DO for various reasons such as for money reasons, geographical reasons, or just to learn manipulation. Maybe they wouldn't feel like going to extra classes to learn manipulation as MDs.

The point is, your examples really do not show much.