Would you do it again?

[corticophile]

Hi there,

Apologies if this is in the wrong forum. I'm a premed who recently discovered podiatry. I've done some shadowing and really like the variety that the guy saw, and the surgeries looked very cool. Both the guy I shadowed and his first assist (who was also a DPM) said they would go back and do it again. But I know this likely isn't a universal sentiment. I'm currently writing a research paper about physician burnout, depression, and suicide in DO/MD's and it is kind of scary. I'm curious how the rates look in the DPM field. I really liked how he seemed to make at least a decent living based on what he told me, how he's a surgeon who's working 40 hours a week, yet he can do a lot of the aspects of medicine, from trauma to surgery to lesions, as long as it's on the foot and ankle.

So, would you do it again? If I gave you the choice, at decision time, between attending an MD school and a DPM school, what would you pick? Lastly, do you feel you are respected and valued as part of the healthcare team? It's hard to gather this from SDN because there's a lot of cocky premeds with a superiority complex, but it's worth a shot in asking.

Thanks.

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[ldsrmdude]

Hi there,

Apologies if this is in the wrong forum. I'm a premed who recently discovered podiatry. I've done some shadowing and really like the variety that the guy saw, and the surgeries looked very cool. Both the guy I shadowed and his first assist (who was also a DPM) said they would go back and do it again. But I know this likely isn't a universal sentiment. I'm currently writing a research paper about physician burnout, depression, and suicide in DO/MD's and it is kind of scary. I'm curious how the rates look in the DPM field. I really liked how he seemed to make at least a decent living based on what he told me, how he's a surgeon who's working 40 hours a week, yet he can do a lot of the aspects of medicine, from trauma to surgery to lesions, as long as it's on the foot and ankle.

So, would you do it again? If I gave you the choice, at decision time, between attending an MD school and a DPM school, what would you pick? Lastly, do you feel you are respected and valued as part of the healthcare team? It's hard to gather this from SDN because there's a lot of cocky premeds with a superiority complex, but it's worth a shot in asking.

Thanks.

Would I do it again? Yes. Would I change some things while doing it? Maybe, but mostly small things (rotated at a few different programs during 4th year, been smarter about finances and avoided more debt than I did, etc.)

Do I feel valued and respected? Most of the time. But I’ve spent a lot of time over the 3 1/2 years in practice generating that respect. As an example, just today while I was rounding at one of the hospitals I cover, a general surgeon called me wanting to get my opinion on a case they were going to be doing that involved the foot. It was well within their scope and training, but they knew I do a lot of this sort of procedure and wanted to get my input on it.
On the flip side of that, the hospital system I work for has been pretty slow to refer much more than diabetic foot exams to our practice. I think the ankle fractures and foot injuries are still getting referred to ortho, despite them not even working in the same town. They still haven’t figured out the full scope of what we can do and I feel we’re under-utilized. All I can do is keep trying to teach and show them what we’re capable of handling and slowly try to change referral and practice patterns. Being valued and respected is something that needs to be earned and I don’t mind working for it

 

[air bud]

Anyone, specifically under the age of 40, who say they would pick DPM over MD (non Caribbean) if given the chance is full of it. Would I do it again? No I would pick MD. If I didn't get a surgical sub specialty I would have been an ER doc and done locums work and traveled. So many career options for the MD, especially if into entrepreneurship. If you want to do something else with a DPM then you need more money and more letters after your name ( ie JD, MBA etc). That said, I have a sweet setup. I make good money and don't work very hard. I am respected and treated as an equal amongst my colleagues. That is a combination of my personality and my knowledge. The letters after my name don't mean anything to them. Are you smart l, kind, compassionate and treat others with respect? That's how you get respect at least in my community.

 

[corticophile]

I think the ankle fractures and foot injuries are still getting referred to ortho, despite them not even working in the same town. They still haven’t figured out the full scope of what we can do and I feel we’re under-utilized. All I can do is keep trying to teach and show them what we’re capable of handling and slowly try to change referral and practice patterns.

I know this is an ongoing thing, but do you see it getting better? Or is it likely to remain this way for a long time to come?

Anyone, specifically under the age of 40, who say they would pick DPM over MD (non Caribbean) if given the chance is full of it. Would I do it again? No I would pick MD. If I didn't get a surgical sub specialty I would have been an ER doc and done locums work and traveled. So many career options for the MD, especially if into entrepreneurship. If you want to do something else with a DPM then you need more money and more letters after your name ( ie JD, MBA etc). That said, I have a sweet setup. I make good money and don't work very hard. I am respected and treated as an equal amongst my colleagues. That is a combination of my personality and my knowledge. The letters after my name don't mean anything to them. Are you smart l, kind, compassionate and treat others with respect? That's how you get respect at least in my community.

Fair enough. How much surgery do you get to do? How common is your setup?

 

[ldsrmdude]

I know this is an ongoing thing, but do you see it getting better? Or is it likely to remain this way for a long time to come?

As a profession, it will probably improve very slowly. In my specific circumstance, I’m working hard to change it and I think that over the next several months to a year, it will get better. Things can move at a glacial pace working for a hospital system sometimes but as my practice spends more time in this satellite office, we’ll see those things change. I hope

 

[air bud]

As a profession, it will probably improve very slowly. In my specific circumstance, I’m working hard to change it and I think that over the next several months to a year, it will get better. Things can move at a glacial pace working for a hospital system sometimes but as my practice spends more time in this satellite office, we’ll see those things change. I hope

Understatement of the year...

 

[air bud]

I know this is an ongoing thing, but do you see it getting better? Or is it likely to remain this way for a long time to come?



Fair enough. How much surgery do you get to do? How common is your setup?

I get to do all the surgery that needs to be done. My setup is not common due to its rural location. I don't operate on sick people, plain and simple. I have been here 8 months and I do minimal limb salvage. The nearest inpatient dialysis is 2.5 hours away, same as the nearest vascular surgeon and necessary equipment. If you come in to my hospital with a complicated wound, you are getting shipped out. Not because I can't do it, but because we don't have the necessary specialists and equipment. I have done 1 amputation since I have been here, and I have seen 2 inpatients. Rural setups tend to be pretty reconstructive the first few years as there is a ton of neglected trauma and arthritis. Stuff that either ortho didn't want to do or that other doctors didn't recognize. In the last few months I have done ankle fractures, a calcaneal fracture, a few flatfoot recons, some hindfoot and midfoot fusions. I have done 1 or 2 isolated hammertoes since being here.

I agreed with @ldsrmdude that it takes time to get referring physicians to remember what you do. Honestly I am having more trouble getting stuff referred to me that is not a fracture. I get 100 percent of ankle fractures, calc fractures etc. at my hospital. I am struggling to get the ER docs to send me the non-fractures. Someone who comes in for a ankle sprain and negative x-rays. I tell them over and over that just because x-rays are negative doesn't mean they don't need to follow up with me. I am glad they don't call me in for everything, don't get me wrong. Hopefully my hospital institutes some type of protocol soon, I just had a meeting with the CEO where I painted a doomsday scenario: told him 25% of achilles ruptures are misdiagnosed in the ER - if that person gets sent home and not told to follow up with specialist and then comes back 1 month later with chronic rupture then the hospital is opening itself to legal exposure...

 

[air bud]

I know this is an ongoing thing, but do you see it getting better? Or is it likely to remain this way for a long time to come?

I don't see it getting better for podiatrists. There will never be another Justin Fleming doing crazy trauma. He is one of a handful in the profession now as it is. More and more ortho are getting better foot and ankle training, plain and simple. Even in the past they didn't want to give up ankle fractures if they did mostly knees/hips. They did a ton of ankle fractures at the level 1 facility where they trained. The vast majority of them are fully competent when it comes to fixing a bi-mal fracture. More training just gives them more confidence to branch out towards more foot and ankle stuff, though most tend to stay in their desired lane.
I have a ton of top fellowship trained friends. They do minimal trauma, just because its not there for them. They do more reconstructive work than anything.
This is the hard part about talking about the real world to any prospective pod students. They just do not fully grasp the inequality with the profession. Just because you are trained to do something doesn't mean you are going to be allowed to do it. Contrast that with an MD. If you are trained to do something you can literally get a job anywhere and do 100 percent of what you are trained to do. Its that easy for them and that hard for us. There are some great leaders in the profession constantly fighting to improve this. I appreciate their hard work and sacrifice. But I don't see those same leaders in the new generation. They are not working on a national scale to improve situations across the board. Instead, they are working at a local level and improving their own situations. I 100 percent understand this though. Rule number 1 - look out for number 1. I moved from my first job to my current job to get the scope that I wanted. I have too many other things to be focusing my precious time and energy on. Its a different generation with different perspectives on life and work.

 

[Scrantonicity]

Hmm...well the whole reason I thought podiatry was a good idea was the fact that I could make decent money and be able to spend a lot more time at home with my family than other surgical professions (so that answers the DPM vs MD question). Well, that has turned out to be true; however, I didn't grasp the amount of debt that it takes to get to this point. So much of that "decent money" goes to my loans--and will for the forseeable future--that it's hard to say it was all worth it.

I do love what I do--and it's sure nice being able to just go home at 5:00 (4:30 a lot of days) and not think about work all the time. But no, we don't make enough to justify the extreme debt. Looking back with finances in mind, I would have gone into engineering or business---but would I love what I do? Maybe not. We all go down our own paths, and it's pretty useless to look back and wish we had gone a different way. There's so many upsides to focus on with this profession---focusing on the downsides would just make me depressed so I just try not to.

On the other question--yes I do feel like a valued member of my medical community. We (podiatry) were recently voted in to be full active staff at our hospital last year (prior to that we were "auxiliary staff" or some nonsense.) To top that off, the other podiatrist here that I work with just became Chief of Staff. I work as a team with a lot of MDs of other specialties (internal medicine, wound care, vascular) in our area for difficult patients, and I feel like I have the same respect and valued input as they do.

 

[vortex341]

What happened! I thought you were all about the podiatry life

 

[Nowehjose]

I wish i did the NP route. 30% of DPMs act like podiatry is the second coming of Jesus/Messiah depending on their views. Ignorant to realities and those are the ones setting tuition costs on the boards at the universities. Too many doctors crying about the hidden jam of medicine, getting into surgical measuring contests make the profession look silly. I’m already 80k in debt, so I say ef it at this point, lets cut some nails then open other business ventures.

Podiatry is not equal, never will be, but if you work hard you can get local respect. Was what the doctor I shadowed told me. I’m just hoping our generation will increase the respect of our profession. I just wish schools were cheaper, we are not on par withMD schools and have yet to see the justification of 34k...

 

[DYK343]

I wish i did the NP route. 30% of DPMs act like podiatry is the second coming of Jesus/Messiah depending on their views. Ignorant to realities and those are the ones setting tuition costs on the boards at the universities. Too many doctors crying about the hidden jam of medicine, getting into surgical measuring contests make the profession look silly. I’m already 80k in debt, so I say ef it at this point, lets cut some nails then open other business ventures.

Podiatry is not equal, never will be, but if you work hard you can get local respect. Was what the doctor I shadowed told me. I’m just hoping our generation will increase the respect of our profession. I just wish schools were cheaper, we are not on par withMD schools and have yet to see the justification of 34k...

Are you a podiatrist or still a student/prepod?

I would 100% do this career again no questions asked. And I am 100% respected in my community. In fact I wish it was the opposite because they call me every 5 minutes for my opinion on something...

 

[dtrack22]

I wish i did the NP route.

Podiatry is not equal, never will be, but if you work hard you can get local respect.

I mean if equality is a big deal then NP and PA would not be the way to go currently. Talk with MD/DOs how they feel about supervising NPs, NPs having the ability to see and treat patient's independently, etc.

I would do Podiatry again. I enjoy the actual work I do. I think you just have to do your damnedest not to work for another podiatrist. That's the only parity I care about, podiatrist paying other podiatrist similar to how new pediatricians or new orthopedic surgeons or OB/GYNs etc are paid in the private/group practice world within their own specialties. I would welcome hospital and large MSGs to almost eliminate private practice podiatry. I don't care if I ever have an orthopedic or purely msk type of practice. Some of the nail stuff is easy and patient's are happy. I just want to see new grads getting paid fairly for their work which is practically impossible if you're going to work for a DPM.

 

[HarmonicConvergence]

I wish i did the NP route. 30% of DPMs act like podiatry is the second coming of Jesus/Messiah depending on their views. Ignorant to realities and those are the ones setting tuition costs on the boards at the universities. Too many doctors crying about the hidden jam of medicine, getting into surgical measuring contests make the profession look silly. I’m already 80k in debt, so I say ef it at this point, lets cut some nails then open other business ventures.

Podiatry is not equal, never will be, but if you work hard you can get local respect. Was what the doctor I shadowed told me. I’m just hoping our generation will increase the respect of our profession. I just wish schools were cheaper, we are not on par withMD schools and have yet to see the justification of 34k...

If your a student then it starts with you. Find the APMSA rep at your school and figure out what you can do to help the field. Nothing worth having is ever freely given. Our generation is used to having things given to them. For this you're gonna have to put in some work. Respect is earned.

 

[Nowehjose]

I was in nursing school and chose to go the more difficult/extended route. It would have been shorter and less expensive for “ME”. I didn’t know my point of view was valid for all you.

Also, I don’t care what Jeremy in orthopedics thinks of my degree. I’m going to be fine, I have experience putting in 80hr weeks as an apprentice. I don’t doubt my ability to make a comfortable living as a DPM. My issue was with delaying the gratification 4+ years compared to NP route in my case.

 

[ksp2276]

I'm going to leave the profession in 5-7 years and pursue business of some sort. Always have an exit strategy and most importantly......

......Never become a mustache pod

 

[Nowehjose]

That’s the plan. Already 90k in, gotta follow through for a little bit. I wouldn’t do any MD, DPM is DDS... just to be clear, if I could choose.

I'm going to leave the profession in 5-7 years and pursue business of some sort. Always have an exit strategy and most importantly......

......Never become a mustache pod

 

[AttackNME]

That’s the plan. Already 90k in, gotta follow through for a little bit. I wouldn’t do any MD, DPM is DDS... just to be clear, if I could choose.

Why not cut your losses now if you regret it so much

 

[Nowehjose]

Why not cut your losses now if you regret it so much

Oh, I'm sorry did someone else's opinion make you upset? If you want to be my sugar daddy and pay my loans put up or shut up. I don't know why you guys walk around getting offended because someone wouldn't do it again.

I answered the question they asked as relevant to me personally. Didn't know we were the same person.

 

[SLCpod]

Oh, I'm sorry did someone else's opinion make you upset? If you want to be my sugar daddy and pay my loans put up or shut up. I don't know why you guys walk around getting offended because someone wouldn't do it again.

I answered the question they asked as relevant to me personally. Didn't know we were the same person.

I thought it was a a pretty good question. I know of a few people that decided podiatry wasn't the right fit for them and quit school early. There are also many individuals that have second careers because their first career didn't work out. If I didn't like my job I would consider something different.

I guess the question is, what if someone finished their training (MD, DO, DPM, DPT, OT, etc.) in a medical profession and after 5 years hated it? People burn out. Where are they going? I was listening to a white coat investor podcast a few weeks ago (don't remember which one) and he talked about some physicians who were transitioning to jobs in the tech industry. Very interesting.

 

[dtrack22]

I guess the question is, what if someone finished their training (MD, DO, DPM, DPT, OT, etc.) in a medical profession and after 5 years hated it? People burn out. Where are they going? I was listening to a white coat investor podcast a few weeks ago (don't remember which one) and he talked about some physicians who were transitioning to jobs in the tech industry. Very interesting.

Yeah and I think there is an argument to be made for finishing out MD/DO even if you didn't like it during medical school. But not DPM. The MD/DO is much more marketable and has plenty of non-clinical applications. Our DPM degree, not so much. If I didn't enjoy podiatry I would cut my losses since the degree is relatively useless if you aren't treating patients. I would assume the same could be said for DPT and DDS (or whatever dental degrees there are).

 

[AttackNME]

Yeah and I think there is an argument to be made for finishing out MD/DO even if you didn't like it during medical school. But not DPM. The MD/DO is much more marketable and has plenty of non-clinical applications. Our DPM degree, not so much. If I didn't enjoy podiatry I would cut my losses since the degree is relatively useless if you aren't treating patients. I would assume the same could be said for DPT and DDS (or whatever dental degrees there are).

I thought it was a a pretty good question. I know of a few people that decided podiatry wasn't the right fit for them and quit school early. There are also many individuals that have second careers because their first career didn't work out. If I didn't like my job I would consider something different.

I guess the question is, what if someone finished their training (MD, DO, DPM, DPT, OT, etc.) in a medical profession and after 5 years hated it? People burn out. Where are they going? I was listening to a white coat investor podcast a few weeks ago (don't remember which one) and he talked about some physicians who were transitioning to jobs in the tech industry. Very interesting.

Yea, compared to MD/DO, the pool of podiatrists is relatively small, so I don’t hear many stories of podiatrists changing careers. Has anyone known or heard of a podiatrist pivoting their career to something else that still uses the DPM degree without being directly involved in patient care?

 

[Nowehjose]

I thought it was a a pretty good question. I know of a few people that decided podiatry wasn't the right fit for them and quit school early. There are also many individuals that have second careers because their first career didn't work out. If I didn't like my job I would consider something different.

I guess the question is, what if someone finished their training (MD, DO, DPM, DPT, OT, etc.) in a medical profession and after 5 years hated it? People burn out. Where are they going? I was listening to a white coat investor podcast a few weeks ago (don't remember which one) and he talked about some physicians who were transitioning to jobs in the tech industry. Very interesting.

I don’t mind being a DPM, I would like to branch out and do some kind of business in the future, outside of medicine. I just don’t think the DREAM of being a Dr. Fantasy is accurate. My issue is with expense of education and shrinking income promise. I think I will have a good income and lifestyle as a DPM, it’s just sacrificing my 20’s and ability to start a family younger. I guess you can’t have the best of both worlds.

I have read a few blogs about those peoples as well, my situation is about costs and not the enjoyment of practicing podiatry. I see friends buying houses and I feel like I’m just delaying my life.

I like gross stuff like infections and etc etc. I won’t go into work hating it, I wouldn’t have spent 1k applying if I didn’t think I had a future. Just wanted to clarify my reasoning. I stated earlier I’d try to do the cheaper route.

 

[DYK343]

Yea, compared to MD/DO, the pool of podiatrists is relatively small, so I don’t hear many stories of podiatrists changing careers. Has anyone known or heard of a podiatrist pivoting their career to something else that still uses the DPM degree without being directly involved in patient care?

I know at least two DPMs who are medical sales reps. Both in hardware and still in the OR.

 

[dtrack22]

I know at least two DPMs who are medical sales reps.

long term this would be an awful career path. But right now I wouldn't be shocked if they made more money than they would have working for another podiatrist.

 

[spo01]

OP,
Absolutely I would do it again. But it may not be for you and it may not be for a lot of people. Good job on doing research. These forums tend to be filled with a bunch of bitter pusses that would never be happy in other fields so take it with a grain of salt. Grass is always greener with them. Every field of medicine has equal amounts of doctors regretting their decision, understandably in today’s age. The field is what you make it and you get out what you put in. Make sure you have your perspective, expectations, and attitude on point. There’s a crap ton of things in life and medicine you simply can’t control, but those 3 things you can control and will dictate your well-being and happiness. It’s not perfect by any means but podiatry has given me exactly the type of lifestyle and income I expected and am happy with.

 

[malleolusman]

Good question and I just answered this last week for a pre pod. Yes, I would do it again (knowing where I have ended up), but it was a mixture of persistence and luck like most things in life. There are a ton of fellowship trained guys I know who ended up in not so lucrative deals/jobs after all that training. Be realistic about what this field is. We are not "fully" accepted as part of the medical community, despite being on staff at hospitals etc etc--- thats money, filling a void/niche, and seeing "left overs".

"Left-overs" are the medicaid lisfranc fractures that BAD ASS podiatrist did a lecture on, or the medicaid diabetic train wreck who got an IM nail. Typically, the educated banker with charcot will seek out an orthopod. If orthopedic surgery suddenly took at interest in diabetic foot reconstruction, podiatry would take a huge hit. This is probably regional, but still pisses me off the lack of awareness of our field and our training.

 

[CutsWithFury]

I would do it again because of the job opportunity I landed (I am hospital employed).

If I was working as a private practice associate straight out of residency I would break off and open up solo rather than take a 75-100K salary and being told "it is fair". Older generation podiatrists are delusional. They over value their crappy practices and treat new associates who are desperate to pay off loans like crap. Private practice podiatry is purely entrepreneurial and predatory. I have been seeing more and more younger podiatrists rather struggle solo then take a crappy associate salary. Good for our generation and it is the only way to "Change private practice podiatry".

The profession of podiatry is great. As a hospital employed DPM I can make my practice what I want it to be which is a mix of everything. I chip and clip and do all the typical podiatry clinic procedures, I do complex reconstructive foot and ankle surgery, I spend a couple days a week in our wound care center, I am up into my eyeballs in diabetic limb salvage. The best part is nobody tells me what to do. I am the only podiatrist in the hospital. It is glorious.

The only politics I deal with is getting ankle trauma away from ortho (surprise surprise). Other than that I am using all my skills from residency. My practice is diverse

Private practice podiatry is awful. The old guys still hanging around make it awful for new grads trying to make a legitimate living. I have heard of new grads being made to do surgeries they don't agree with that were booked by the owner of podiatry group. I have heard of grads taking 100K salaries with no option to buy in. I have heard of associates having to cold call PCP offices and visit PCP offices to try and get new business since the owner won't spend the money to market a new associate. I could go on and on and on but that would only make me angry

This is how hypocritical podiatry is. Some of the attendings that were associated with my residency ALWAYS needed help doing basic procedures yet these are the same podiatrist that were grandfathered in and are "certified" by the ABFAS. Yet new grads today are put through the ringer when trying to get certified.

 

[dtrack22]

these are the same podiatrist that were grandfathered in and are "certified" by the ABFAS. Yet new grads today are put through the ringer when trying to get certified.

The joke that is ABFAS deserves its own thread. Though it would just be posts of how dumb and/or hypocritical the people in charge of that certifying board are.

 

[G0dFather]

This is how hypocritical podiatry is. Some of the attendings that were associated with my residency ALWAYS needed help doing basic procedures yet these are the same podiatrist that were grandfathered in and are "certified" by the ABFAS. Yet new grads today are put through the ringer when trying to get certified.

ABFAS how disgusting, the stories ive heard from talented young practitioners of what they went through and still couldn't attain certification .... the greatest joke, and they know its so bad since every few years they CHANGE the "rules" to get certified .... most insurance panels could care less as long as they see A board certification, and for surgeries just take it to a surgi center .... get ABPM certified from the start and make your life easy

 

[CutsWithFury]

ABFAS how disgusting, the stories ive heard from talented young practitioners of what they went through and still couldn't attain certification .... the greatest joke, and they know its so bad since every few years they CHANGE the "rules" to get certified .... most insurance panels could care less as long as they see A board certification, and for surgeries just take it to a surgi center .... get ABPM certified from the start and make your life easy

I wish it was that easy. Somehow some way the ABFAS has been the only accepted board certification in some states. I am unsure how they get the lobbying power to pull that off but they do. In my state ABFAS certification is the only one accepted.

The more I practice the more I realize that the ABFAS as an organization doesn’t stand for integrity. It’s just another podiatry entrepreneurial scam to exclude providers and to collect a ridiculous amount of money for a terribly written test.

 

[CutsWithFury]

The joke that is ABFAS deserves its own thread. Though it would just be posts of how dumb and/or hypocritical the people in charge of that certifying board are.

I’m down for creating a thread that is an intellectual analytical dissection of the ABFAS

 

[malleolusman]

The ABFAS is truly a joke. I'm in a hospital group as well, and the ABFAS has made it plenty difficult to get certified here. In addition, some of the guys who have only been practice a few years 2-3 longer than me have another 14 years to get certified, whereas I have only 7 due to their new rules. Our hospital mandates you get certified in.... you guessed it...7 years.

 

[dtrack22]

Our hospital mandates you get certified in.... you guessed it...7 years.

You’re lucky. Many facilities and insurance panels only give you 5. Nearly every MD/DO is board certified by the end of their 2nd year out of residency because they don’t require a certain number of cases or encounters or anything. They just have a certain amount of time you have to spend in practice before you can sit for the exam. And first time pass rates are in the 90’s%

 

[Weirdy]

You’re lucky. Many facilities and insurance panels only give you 5. Nearly every MD/DO is board certified by the end of their 2nd year out of residency because they don’t require a certain number of cases or encounters or anything. They just have a certain amount of time you have to spend in practice before you can sit for the exam. And first time pass rates are in the 90’s%

Didn't realize MD/DO board certs do not require case loads.

That's nuts. Thank you for the info.

 

[malleolusman]

Yup yup, hence why I already obtained ABPM cert in the mean time . . .and what is podiatry's ABFAS pass rate for the newly minted grad: an abysmal 60 percent?

 

[CutsWithFury]

Yup yup, hence why I already obtained ABPM cert in the mean time . . .and what is podiatry's ABFAS pass rate for the newly minted grad: an abysmal 60 percent?

In my state hospitals only accept ABFAS

 

[malleolusman]

So if you are reputable, you can make a case to your hospital to change their certification standards. I believe that is what Lee C. Rodgers did.

 

[G0dFather]

In my state hospitals only accept ABFAS

This is a restriction of trade!.....people have changed the hospital bylaws before ... no reason it cant be done again ... other boards are ready to petition on your behalf.... only in a profession that is cracked out that it has more than 5 different boards !! ... what a racket!!

 

[CutsWithFury]

This is a restriction of trade!.....people have changed the hospital bylaws before ... no reason it cant be done again ... other boards are ready to petition on your behalf.... only in a profession that is cracked out that it has more than 5 different boards !! ... what a racket!!

Its actually not through the Hospitals. It’s through the department of health which oversees all the hospitals in the state.