Your Interactions w/ ******* Medical Secretaries

[Old Timer]

I find it very interesting that people think that the way you talk on this message board is the same way you talk to people in real life. You should read The Angry Pharmacist sometime, he makes the OP look like a saint.

Language is language, get over it. Wouldn't you expect an adult to not think much about profanity? Isn't that why stand up comedians make sure to tell people that their act is for MATURE AUDIENCES only due to language and content?

I don't assume anything. I also prefer not to use profanity. It's intellectually lazy. It's not that I've never used it. But when you use words that demean people like one used here it's unprofessional. Also here, in this case, using offensive language to describe a woman and detracts from the argument being advanced by the OP. Additionally, the OP had no idea what the word meant.
By the way, ask any 10 woman how they would feel being referred to by that epithet and let me know what they say. If you don't understand the power of words than you really should be influencing the selection of students to nursery school let alone a professional school. It was Kipling who said:

Words are of course, the most powerful drug used by mankind.

If you want a Biblical reason,I refer you to the words of the psalmist:

"Come, children, listen to me; I will teach you the fear of God. Who is the man that desires life; who loves days, that he may see goodness [during them]? Guard your tongue from evil, and your lips from speaking deceit; turn from evil and do good, seek peace and pursue it."

The Psalms 34:12–15:

Generally, it accomplishes nothing, demeans the user and adds nothing to the conversation, why bother....

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[SHC1984]

There is no point. However, we would be absolutely screwed as a country if we hadn't had DO schools picking up the slack in increasing the number of physicians graduating in this country. The MD schools didn't really do **** for 20 years. The AMA and subspecialists f*cked us all and now the DOs, NPs, and PAs are picking up the slack. We need like twice as many MDs graduating every year than we currently have

Not really thats why we have PAs... I agree with pffickle...I still not see the point of DO schools.

 

[meister]

Not really thats why we have PAs... I agree with pffickle...I still not see the point of DO schools.

There is no "point" anymore, they are practicing physicians 99% of the time just like MDs. We get like 5k of them graduating a year, along with like 15k MDs. Imagine if we hadn't had them increasing their class sizes over the past 20 years, and consider the fact that 50% of them enter the primary care workforce. We would be absolutely f*cked.

You're right that PAs and NPs can help out as well but in all reality they seem redundant to me and only should serve under physicians to maintain high patient volume rather than serving as PC providers. If we were graduating 25k+ MDs a year then we wouldn't need "mid-level" providers like we so desperately do now.

 

[SHC1984]

There is no "point" anymore, they are practicing physicians 99% of the time just like MDs. We get like 5k of them graduating a year, along with like 15k MDs. Imagine if we hadn't had them increasing their class sizes over the past 20 years, and consider the fact that 50% of them enter the primary care workforce. We would be absolutely f*cked.

You're right that PAs and NPs can help out as well but in all reality they seem redundant to me and only should serve under physicians to maintain high patient volume rather than serving as PC providers. If we were graduating 25k+ MDs a year then we wouldn't need "mid-level" providers like we so desperately do now.

Well a shortage is always a good thing...its call job security. I wish pharmacists were experiencing the SAME thing as MD(s). I am sure most MD(s) like the shortage and would love to continue with 15K graduates per year and no one else. Why would anyone want a surplus? It brings down the overall value of the profession.

 

[meister]

Well a shortage is always a good thing...its call job security. I wish pharmacists were experiencing the SAME thing as MD(s). I am sure most MD(s) like the shortage and would love to continue with 15K graduates per year and no one else. Why would anyone want a surplus? It brings down the overall value of the profession.

Yes, a massive shortage is good for practitioners. And literally no one else, especially not for public health. And it's not even really good for practitioners, since you become severely overworked and stressed, and all sorts of weird things like NPs or PAs crop up to fill in the gap. Just wait until PTCB certified pharm techs being to be able to verify prescriptions. There is a balance here, it's not an all or nothing game.

Eliminate health professional school tuition and fees and graduate a ton more people. Pharmacists, physicians, nurses, these professions will never have a job shortage. No student loan debt, guaranteed employment and $100k+ salaries seems like a pretty good deal to me.

 

[SHC1984]

Yes, a massive shortage is good for practitioners. And literally no one else, especially not for public health. And it's not even really good for practitioners, since you become severely overworked and stressed, and all sorts of weird things like NPs or PAs crop up to fill in the gap. Just wait until PTCB certified pharm techs being to be able to verify prescriptions. There is a balance here, it's not an all or nothing game.

Eliminate health professional school tuition and fees and graduate a ton more people. Pharmacists, physicians, nurses, these professions will never have a job shortage. No student loan debt, guaranteed employment and $100k+ salaries seems like a pretty good deal to me.

Overworked and stressed? thats why I only pick jobs that I can choose my own hours!

Eliminate tuition and fees? NEVER will happen.

Graduate more people = surplus = decrease in salary.

100K salaries only exist because there is a shortage. If there is no shortage then the salary will decrease.

Guarantee employment? ONLY if you graduate a limited few. Again surplus = unemployment because jobs are limited. There are only so many hospitals and pharmacies in the world.

 

[avuong]

zzzzz

 

[Zrchrn]

Overworked and stressed? thats why I only pick jobs that I can choose my own hours!

Eliminate tuition and fees? NEVER will happen.

Graduate more people = surplus = decrease in salary.

100K salaries only exist because there is a shortage. If there is no shortage then the salary will decrease.

Guarantee employment? ONLY if you graduate a limited few. Again surplus = unemployment because jobs are limited. There are only so many hospitals and pharmacies in the world.

Here is the thing I don't understand. This notion that when there are "too many" of a certain kind of professional, that salaries just instantly decrease. There are a crap ton of law schools out there, but you can still find rich lawyers, there are probably more rich lawyers every year. All the pop-up law schools just ended up serving local markets that aren't as well paying and the best/most prestigious law schools still kept graduating students that were very likely to end up very well off. The pop-up school students didn't have great jobs sure but in all likelihood they wouldn't have gotten into law school before all the pop-up schools came out.

Along with that, salaries rarely decrease by much, they just don't necessarily keep up with inflation as well as they used to.

The 100k salaries are not JUST because there are shortages, that helps them increase. The nursing shortage is worse than the pharmacist shortage and has been. How come most nurses don't get paid more than pharmacist? There are other factors at play. So the discussion of salaries is not as simple as supply and demand.

Please understand, this is not an attack on you, I just disagree on some minor points.

 

[type b pharmD]

Here is the thing I don't understand. This notion that when there are "too many" of a certain kind of professional, that salaries just instantly decrease. There are a crap ton of law schools out there, but you can still find rich lawyers, there are probably more rich lawyers every year. All the pop-up law schools just ended up serving local markets that aren't as well paying and the best/most prestigious law schools still kept graduating students that were very likely to end up very well off. The pop-up school students didn't have great jobs sure but in all likelihood they wouldn't have gotten into law school before all the pop-up schools came out.

Along with that, salaries rarely decrease by much, they just don't necessarily keep up with inflation as well as they used to.

The 100k salaries are not JUST because there are shortages, that helps them increase. The nursing shortage is worse than the pharmacist shortage and has been. How come most nurses don't get paid more than pharmacist? There are other factors at play. So the discussion of salaries is not as simple as supply and demand.

Please understand, this is not an attack on you, I just disagree on some minor points.

yeah i really used to get ticked when people talked about declining salaries. You would think that people hadnt taken economics!! But now ive just stopped responding to them.

for those of you who are still in the dark, history has rarely showed a period where salaries decreased in nominal terms, ever, in any field

 

[meister]

Unless you're Joe American, in which case your salary decreased over the past ten years.

 

[type b pharmD]

Unless you're Joe American, in which case your salary decreased over the past ten years.

purchasing power decreased.

 

[SHC1984]

Here is the thing I don't understand. This notion that when there are "too many" of a certain kind of professional, that salaries just instantly decrease. There are a crap ton of law schools out there, but you can still find rich lawyers, there are probably more rich lawyers every year. All the pop-up law schools just ended up serving local markets that aren't as well paying and the best/most prestigious law schools still kept graduating students that were very likely to end up very well off. The pop-up school students didn't have great jobs sure but in all likelihood they wouldn't have gotten into law school before all the pop-up schools came out.

Along with that, salaries rarely decrease by much, they just don't necessarily keep up with inflation as well as they used to.

The 100k salaries are not JUST because there are shortages, that helps them increase. The nursing shortage is worse than the pharmacist shortage and has been. How come most nurses don't get paid more than pharmacist? There are other factors at play. So the discussion of salaries is not as simple as supply and demand.

Please understand, this is not an attack on you, I just disagree on some minor points.

Fair enough, I was responsing to the guy that stated something about graduating MORE people and ending the shortage. I think a shortage is a great thing...too bad there is no such shortage in pharmacy.


As far as salary decrease, you are right, I am not psychic so I don't know whats going to happen. No one really knows 100% sure....but it just makes sense to me that if there is a surplus of workers salaries will decrease. If there are 10 jobs available and 1000 people need it don't you think the big boss has some "power" in dicating how much those ten potiential worker's salaries are? just saying. Lets make it even MORE simple I mean if you own a restaurant and want to hired ONE chef and 100 people apply for that position and 80 of them are willing to work for 1k a month, will you offer the job to someone that demands to get paid 5k a month????? I think not. If you are at all business savy, you would proberly offer the job a 800 dollars a month to those 80 people and see who is willing to take it...If 30 people are willing to take that salary then you should LOWER it even more until you get the LOWEST bidder for the position...etc etc. thats how salaries decrease.

 

[meister]

purchasing power decreased.

Hmm? Median income decreased 4.2% over W's presidency.

 

[type b pharmD]

Hmm? Median income decreased 4.2% over W's presidency.

That doesnt mean anyone's salary decreased.

Some would perhaps point to the decline in manufacturing eroding high paying jobs , leading the average income to decrease due to people taking lower paying jobs.

 

[meister]

That doesnt mean anyone's salary decreased.

Some would perhaps point to the decline in manufacturing eroding high paying jobs , leading the average income to decrease due to people taking lower paying jobs.

I'm not sure what your point is, unless you're just playing games with income vs. salary vs. hourly-wage or something. If the median income in the US went down, that means people now take home less money than they used to. I don't see how there is any argument here.

As for why that happened, well it's the logical conclusion of economic policies enacted under Reagan and continuing to this day. Namely the gutting of American industry, the strengthening of corporations and consequent weakening of labor unions, NAFTA and cheap foreign labor, and the deregulation of Wall Street. It should come as no surprise that the top quintile of income earners saw large increases in their income over the same time period, along with historically low taxes.

90% of the US is getting the shaft.

 

[Zrchrn]

I'm not sure what your point is, unless you're just playing games with income vs. salary vs. hourly-wage or something. If the median income in the US went down, that means people now take home less money than they used to. I don't see how there is any argument here.

As for why that happened, well it's the logical conclusion of economic policies enacted under Reagan and continuing to this day. Namely the gutting of American industry, the strengthening of corporations and consequent weakening of labor unions, NAFTA and cheap foreign labor, and the deregulation of Wall Street. It should come as no surprise that the top quintile of income earners saw large increases in their income over the same time period, along with historically low taxes.

90% of the US is getting the shaft.

Good things you won't be near that 90% with your salary

Haha, it's important to remember those kinds of things though.

 

[p-rog]

Lets make it even MORE simple I mean if you own a restaurant and want to hired ONE chef and 100 people apply for that position and 80 of them are willing to work for 1k a month, will you offer the job to someone that demands to get paid 5k a month????? I think not. If you are at all business savy, you would proberly offer the job a 800 dollars a month to those 80 people and see who is willing to take it...If 30 people are willing to take that salary then you should LOWER it even more until you get the LOWEST bidder for the position...etc etc. thats how salaries decrease.

Wait, what if that guy who takes the job for <$800/month sucks at cooking?!?!?!

 

[avuong]

then customers will just have to endure.

 

[Zrchrn]

Wait, what if that guy who takes the job for <$800/month sucks at cooking?!?!?!

Good point. More importantly, how many people will go to pharmacy school knowing they would have enourmous debts with a greatly decreased income at the end. This could cause a new shortage down the line. Except that they very likely wouldn't take the pharmacist pay down to what it used to be, so they will have to pay even more then they pay now in the event of a new shortage. They'd rather have a steady source of pharmacists and the ability to choose the best pharmacists.

The other steps that are being taken are things like central fill stations. That way they have to hire less Pharmacsits. Pharmacy as a profession seems to be expanding in it's scope however. Which one outweighs the other, is one of the many questions that we just can't answer right now. The baby boomers retirement are a big thing as well as health care reform. It does seem like there will be a shift from dispensing duties to other things. So whereas now ~62% of pharmacists dispense in the future that looks to be lower. Again to what extent, we don't know. There are so many opportunities out there besides dispensing.