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This section below is 100% correct... and he could've used prior years with even more (600+) DPMs matriculating, graduating...

"...Did you know that the number of residency spots for podiatric surgery is not capped by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services; therefore, there is no limit to the number of podiatrists being trained each year? The AAOS Position Statement on the Financing of Graduate Medical Education states, 'The unlimited number of funded podiatry training positions serves as an advantage to podiatrists, who are more limited than orthopaedic surgeons in the type of musculoskeletal services they can provide. Exclusions to the resident limits should be eliminated.'

Orthopaedic residency positions are federally regulated, tightly capped, and highly competitive. In 2025, 929 allopathic medical students matched into orthopaedic residency programs with no unmatched spots. In a typical year, approximately one-third of medical school applicants for orthopaedic surgery residency slots do not match. In 2025, 57 orthopaedic residents matched into orthopaedic foot and ankle fellowships. In contrast, in the fall of 2024, 525 students matriculated into podiatric school, all of whom will go on to do a three-year residency upon completion. As a result, podiatric workforce growth has outpaced orthopaedic training growth, and podiatrists are increasingly being credentialed for procedures beyond their traditional scope, without meeting equivalent standards of education and training.... "


Sadly, there is really nothing in the article that's not true.

When I was a student or resident, this stuff irked me.
Out in practice, I see the HUGE variance in training.
Our residencies are "standardized" in length only - quality and competence is still all over the board.
The MD/DO programs - ortho or otherwise - do a much better job of fairly standard competence and volume and quality.

The mandatory "everyone gets a 3 year residency" approach (as opposed to dent model... most general, a small fraction sugical) for podiatry and the rapid expansion of new podiatry schools really bites on inability to ever improve admissions standards or residency training quality (as well as jobs, income, etc). There is simply not that much F&A surgery need... not at all. There are also not that many qualified students. Thordarson pokes at podiatry a bit more than needed, but he is not wrong. It's not good.
 
The commentary is demonstrably false and defamatory. It should be retracted. It was authored by the President of AOFAS and published by the AAOS. My letter to the AOFAS is attached and I sent a similar letter to the editor of AAOS Now, requesting they retract the article.
 

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As someone who continues to dislike elective surgery the more I practice I care about this type of stuff less and less year after year. I just want to run a good clinic, do soft tissue/PF/toe amps and sleep well at the end of the day.

Also the elephant in the room here is a vast majority of F&A surgeries are stuff that F&A orthos don’t want to do
 
Kind of a nothing burger. They mention pods allowed to do hand? Aside from Alaska where healthcare is scarce I’ve never heard of a pod even considering it and never even doing it

If we’re being honest, look around at what specialty is doing most of the foot/ankle surgeries in the country. Not just totals, or recons but overall, I’d say it’s mainly Pods. Ortho does more hind foot cases but I think it’s fair to say the F&A land has been conquered.

This discussion is a boomer discussion which is why no surprise an old timer like Thordarson is hashing up all this stuff up. For the record he’s brilliant and I love reading his papers but this convo is so tired. I’d equate it to a boomer talking about a pension, everyone needs to realize and accept times have changed.
 
In the last 5 years, only 65% of their fellowship positions have filled, and only 51% of their applicants apply to only F&A (link). I don’t know how much F&A general and different subspecialty orthos do, but that doesn’t strike me as huge interest. Bro still has to have his gang’s back though.
 
In the last 5 years, only 65% of their fellowship positions have filled, and only 51% of their applicants apply to only F&A (link). I don’t know how much F&A general and different subspecialty orthos do, but that doesn’t strike me as huge interest. Bro still has to have his gang’s back though.
Yeah, this has been a thing for a while now, the number of unfilled FA fellowships. More money in hips/knees/spine. Least exposure in residency.
 
In residency we had an ortho resident work with us on a rotation with an area F&A ortho that we covered for clinic and cases. He was on the rotation because he wanted to do F&A. One of the big university F&A docs told him to not waste his time and do something else. He transitioned to adult reconstruction and joints fellowship. The guys doing it don't want to do it because pay is better elsewhere.
 
APMA Response:




A Statement from President Brooke Bisbee, DPM, Regarding AAOS Editorial​

  • Sep 11, 2025
David Thordarson, MD, president of the American Orthopaedic Foot and Ankle Society (AOFAS) recently published an editorial to the members of the American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons (AAOS) titled “Protecting musculoskeletal care: Perspective of the president of the American Orthopaedic Foot and Ankle Society.” In this article, Dr. Thordarson exhorts his colleagues to engage with hospital credentialing committees as well as lawmakers and health-care leaders about the differences between orthopedic and podiatric training “to prevent scope creep.”

Dr. Thordarson’s article is riddled with misleading messages, exaggerations, and outright falsehoods. He references decades-old studies to support his argument. In an era in which science itself is under attack, physicians must hold themselves to an even higher standard for truth and accuracy.

APMA addresses individual inaccuracies in “Protecting musculoskeletal care” below. On behalf of our member podiatric physicians and surgeons, APMA demands that AAOS and AOFAS rescind this deceptive article.



Podiatry’s Proven Value

Dr. Thordarson notes that a 2024 analysis showed that orthopedic surgeons provide foot and ankle care with lower costs and fewer complications. The cost differences noted in the study Dr. Thordarson quoted were marginal, and the research had methodological flaws that impact the author’s findings, as detailed in a letter to the editor published in May in Foot and Ankle International.

Regardless of cost, value in health care is defined by outcomes and patient safety. A nationwide Pearl Diver analysis of 130,982 older adults with ankle osteoarthritis found that patients undergoing total ankle arthroplasty (TAA) were 51-percent less likely to fall over an 11+ year follow-up than those managed non-surgically. This reinforces that ankle surgery, such as that performed by podiatrists, improves long-term health and reduces downstream costs.

Another Pearl Diver study covering 2010–2023 demonstrated that TAA outcomes did not differ by surgeon specialty: The risk of revision, 90-day readmission, infection, and venous thromboembolism did not differ between podiatric and orthopedic surgeons. TAA survivorship is not associated with surgeon specialty; thus, care provided by podiatrists is just as safe and effective as TAA performed by other surgeons.

The current evidence is clear—podiatric surgeons deliver care that is safe and effective.


Specialized Training = Unmatched Expertise

Dr. Thordarson diminishes podiatric training for its concentration on the foot and ankle. Podiatrists, just like other physicians and surgeons, undergo three years of mandatory, hospital-based residency training, with optional fellowships for further specialization. Podiatric education also, by necessity, covers systemic health care. In fact, podiatric medical students often learn alongside MD and DO students.

Podiatric residency training is uniquely focused on the foot and ankle compared to the broader training orthopedic surgeons receive. This concentrated training produces experts from day one, with foot and ankle surgical case volumes often exceeding those of non–fellowship-trained orthopedists.

The latest outcomes research proves that this training translates into clinical equivalence between DPMs and MDs and DOs, and, in certain areas such as limb preservation, superiority for DPMs.

It is no wonder, then, that so many orthopedic practices employ podiatric surgeons to manage foot and ankle cases, or that the federal government recognizes podiatrists as physicians. Podiatrists manage patients and develop strong patient-centered relationships with our vascular surgery, internal medicine, endocrinology, rheumatology, and orthopedic colleagues.


Scope Modernization Reflects Trust, Not Turf

State legislatures modernize podiatric scope of practice because of decades of demonstrated safety and quality care. These expansions improve patient access in communities underserved by fellowship-trained orthopedists.

Recent evidence confirms no increase in complications when podiatrists perform certain ankle procedures, directly rebutting claims that scope expansion endangers patients.

Legislatures and hospitals modernize scope of practice laws and privileges for podiatrists consistent with the advancements in podiatrists’ education and training: four years of medical education, national boards, three years of residency, and lifelong CME. Podiatrists’ education and training mirrors the rigor of MD and DO training.

It is problematic to suggest that not only legislators but also hospital medical staff would advance scope of practice laws or hospital privileges without sound evidence of patient safety and quality outcomes.

Dr. Thordarson reverts to scare tactics, suggesting that podiatric scope may soon include the knee or hip. As noted by Dr. Thordarson, in a few limited states, podiatrists can treat the hands, but contrary to his assertion, podiatrists are not authorized to perform invasive surgical treatments of the hand. Treatment of the hand is limited to superficial lesions, such as warts.


Residency Growth = Access for Patients

Dr. Thordarson bemoans the fact that podiatry residency training positions are uncapped by CMS. While orthopedic residency slots are capped, podiatric residencies are not—allowing the profession to meet urgent workforce needs. With nearly 40 million Americans projected to have diabetes by 2030, the demand for limb salvage and reconstructive surgery will rise sharply.

Each year, millions of older people—those 65 and older—fall, making podiatrists vital resources to assess fall risk and implement life-saving measures to protect patients from falls.

Podiatric residency expansion ensures patient access to surgical care in both urban and rural settings. More podiatric residents mean more innovation, scholarship, and patient care capacity—critical for addressing the national physician shortage.


Collaboration Over Competition

Patients benefit most when specialties work together, not compete. Podiatrists bring unmatched expertise in diabetic limb salvage, biomechanics, minimally invasive surgery, and reconstructive foot and ankle care.

Orthopedists bring broad musculoskeletal training.

Together, we can partner on CME, collaborate on high-quality research, and develop co-management and referral pathways that elevate musculoskeletal care for all patients.


Conclusion: Standing Proud as Podiatric Physicians

The latest evidence confirms what patients and payers already know: Podiatrists deliver safe, effective, cost-saving care.

Our outcomes in total ankle arthroplasty are equivalent across specialties. Our surgeries and services reduce long-term risks such as falls in older adults. Our residency growth ensures that patients will not be left behind in a time of national physician shortages.

APMA stands firmly behind the care our members provide: Podiatry is not just protecting musculoskeletal care—it is advancing it.


References

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  2. Fleischer AE, Albright RH, Patel K, Santiago H, Hook J, Tower D, Weil L Jr. Risk of revision and other complications in total ankle arthroplasty do not differ by surgeon specialty: Analysis of the Pearl Diver healthcare claims database from 2010 to 2023. J Foot Ankle Surg. 2025; Epub ahead of print. PMID: 40639434 .
  3. Chan JJ, Chan JC, Poeran J, Zubizarreta N, Mazumdar M, Vulcano E. Surgeon Type and Outcomes After Inpatient Ankle Arthrodesis and Total Ankle Arthroplasty. J Bone Joint Surg Am. 2019;101(2):127-135. PMID: 30653042.
  4. Reeves CL. American College of Foot and Ankle Surgeons Commentary on Surgeon Type and Outcomes After Inpatient Ankle Arthrodesis and Total Ankle Arthroplasty: Chan et al, J Bone Joint Surg 2019;101:127-135. J Foot Ankle Surg. 2019 Sep;58(5):1051. doi: 10.1053/j.jfas.2019.07.006. PMID: 31474394.
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  6. Albright R, DeHeer P, Tower D. Letter Regarding: A Retrospective Cohort Analysis Comparing the Costs of Ankle Fracture Fixation in Orthopaedics and Podiatry in a U.S. Medicare Limited Data Set. Foot & Ankle International. 2025;46(5):571-572. doi:10.1177/10711007251330603
  7. Rosenblatt NJ, Girgis C, Avalos M, Fleischer AE, Crews RT. The Role of the Podiatrist in Assessing and Reducing Fall Risk: An Updated Review. Clin Podiatr Med Surg. 2020 Apr;37(2):327-369. doi: 10.1016/j.cpm.2019.12.005. Epub 2020 Jan 30. PMID: 32146988.
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APMA Response:




A Statement from President Brooke Bisbee, DPM, Regarding AAOS Editorial...​

Ugh. Gotta love when a 2yr VA-trained pod, responding to a guy who has done and published basically everything possible for MD and ortho F&A, bangs the drum of :
"... Dr. Thordarson diminishes podiatric training for its concentration on the foot and ankle. Podiatrists, just like other physicians and surgeons, undergo three years of mandatory, hospital-based residency training, with optional fellowships. ...
...Podiatric residency training is uniquely focused on the foot and ankle compared to the broader training orthopedic surgeons receive. ..."


Which one is it? Are podiatrists specialized and focused... or "just like other physicians and surgeons"? Can't really have both.
If APMA wants to make any strides, you can't have folks like this "leading." It's truly embarrassing.
It is a mystery to me why people support them until they improve residency quality and make the 525+ matriculants closer to 200-300.

These are the same people who missed the boat to make 80/20 or even 90/10 podiatrist/surgeron training tracks (like gen dentists and oral surgeons), and they drop the ball again and again on quality of podiatry residencies (gotta give every bottom grad "surgery"!), add new schools, tuition insanity, job market flooding, and everything else. As long as they keep doubling down on bad decisions, these problems will only get worse. Podiatry cannot improve without major insight and overhaul. I hate to say it, but just like pre-health students are voting with their feet on not applying or matriculating, practicing DPMs should consider no longer blindly writing checks to support APMA shenanigans?
 
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why does acfas/abfas never fight for us but instead just divides? Our big conference is focused on dividing us between abfas and abpm and then aofas does this

We need one board and we need it now. We need to be united instead of this nonsense. We can’t even have this thread without infighting
 
One Board was something APMA said we “must” have in … two-thousand-seven.

Here we are, almost two decades later. And who are the obstructionists?

(Having to spell out numbers from the app is really annoying)
 

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why does acfas/abfas never fight for us but instead just divides? Our big conference is focused on dividing us between abfas and abpm and then aofas does this

We need one board and we need it now. We need to be united instead of this nonsense. We can’t even have this thread without infighting
It's basically because this profession IS divided. 🙂

Some just want to cut nails and calluses and give insoles. (they hate that they even had to do surg training)
Some want scrape wounds, do toe amps, do "grafts."
Some want to do bone/joint/sports surgery, think we should have tech/RN do nails. (want to have advanced training, use it)
Other DPMs want all of those things, do XYZ, etc. Our training and practice capabilities are not standardized.
 
@Feli that’s a BS excuse. OB/Gyn has one board. Some do surgery some don’t. Ortho has one board, they don’t all do everything. It’s about certifying your training. Every podiatrist completes the same standardized training. (Argue about the quality of all programs, sure, but it is standardized)

[mention]de Ribas [/mention] APMA and CPME published their reasons. Many people, including many state societies, disagree with them. This will be brought to the HOD to decide.
 
[mention]Feli [/mention] you’re just as bad as they are for personally attacking the APMA president over her training (length and location).

I have no idea why SDN allows your hate speech when it’s supposed to be an inclusive, respectful community.
Not condoning the personal attack.

Playing devils advocate. We should have non 36 pmsr/rra step back from arguing with AOFAS geriatric foot docs. They will win the argument 20x.

Us: “We can do everything you can do!”.
Them: “But can you personally?”
Us: “Well, no but some of us can”.

Worst argument ever. Even now, a handful of residency programs barely do rear foot cases and scramble to get their RRA #s down to the wire. How can we improve to avoid any doubts I our training? Self reflection is needed. More APMA/ACFAS funded courses surgically for residents and young physicians. Stricter regulations on residencies and CPME needs to be tougher on programs not making numbers.

To be honest, we should not even entertain this nonsense. We should focus on improving our specialty at the core, to erase any doubts. Letters and tweets<<<<Actions.
 
no one wants to hear this but ACFAS is just the same good ol boys club who all pats themselves on the back while taking a ton of consulting money. These people feel like they’re above everyone in the profession when we all need to be united. These people are also always the ones who belittle others in the profession.
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Dear ACFAS Members,



In recent days, many of you have reached out with concern following the recent AOFAS communication that referenced the 2019 Jimmy Chan et al. article published in JBJS. That study was met at the time with multiple published rebuttals, including from several ACFAS leaders, citing serious methodological flaws, selective reporting, and the absence of patient-centered outcomes. Those responses remain part of the scientific record and should always be considered whenever this article is mentioned.



As your College, we take any challenge to the integrity and outcomes of our members seriously. ACFAS Fellows are certified by ABFAS as highly trained surgical specialists who consistently deliver exceptional care and outcomes for their patients. The strength of our pipeline reflects that excellence: this year, 68 of 71 ACFAS fellowship positions filled with the application review potentially increasing these numbers in the coming weeks, compared with 54 of 80 slots filled in the orthopaedic pathway. We continue to excel in education with the success of our educational offerings as is equally evident in the sustained growth of our Annual Scientific Conference, which continues to attract record participation year after year even as other organizations face declining attendance.



Yet even as we defend our profession vigorously, we are also focused on building the future of foot and ankle surgery to achieve superior patient outcomes. ACFAS has launched the National Foot and Ankle Registry (NFAR), an initiative designed to support evidence-based care and generate real-world data to improve patient outcomes. We believe this kind of collaborative, data-driven work is how we best elevate the entire field and our patients deserve nothing less. We will continue to be the leaders of foot and ankle surgery and will fight to maintain our status at the top.



As evidenced by the recent letter by AOFAS, it is clear ACFAS is leading the way as we continue to grow and advance the art and science of foot and ankle surgery. As a strong and thriving College, we recognize that our success will at times invite criticism from others seeking to achieve what our community has worked so hard to build. Your board will continue to propel ACFAS forward while protecting what we have achieved. We already have a commitment from AOFAS leadership to meet with us to address the incorrect and defamatory statements.



This is a moment to stand proud, not defensive. It is also a moment to lead and an opportunity to educate. ACFAS will work with AOFAS to vigorously protect your reputation while seeking meaningful collaboration with our colleagues in orthopaedics to advance education, research, innovation, and advocacy for the benefit of all patients.



Thank you for the extraordinary work you do every day.



Sincerely,

Alan Ng, DPM, FACFAS

President, American College of Foot and Ankle Surgeons"
 
@Feli that letter is cool and all but why don’t they just work with abpm and our whole profession? Ortho is always going to think we’re inferior no matter what a letter says
 
Lol I wouldnt be bragging about the number of fellowships....that number is absurd. And apparently increasing
 
Lol I wouldnt be bragging about the number of fellowships....that number is absurd. And apparently increasing
Don't forget probably 100+ crusty cpme fellowship spots (5 at Wycoff alone!)...

and at least 100+ unofficial associate PP podiatry "fellowship" spots too? 🙁

All courtesy of that good ole oversupply of DPMs and too many subpar residencies.

@Feli that letter is cool and all but why don’t they just work with abpm and our whole profession? Ortho is always going to think we’re inferior no matter what a letter says
ding ding ding (second part)

[first part = bzzzzzzzzzzzz!!! ...you are out of your mind]
 
i mean not to beat a dead horse but its hard to say hey ya we are just as good as foot and ankle ortho when only 21 percent of students from samuel merritt can pass our basic board exam.

podiatry leadership is all bark no bite. they will talk your ears off about all the difference they are making but actually not do anything..........
 
What do you all hope or expect is the correct response from the Pod community regarding such comments/attacks?
IMO, the Pod responses as 'statements' have lost their meaning over the years. Also, it makes no sense for Dr. Ng above to post how many fellowship positions were filled. It's great for those 68 grads, but what about the rest?

How about fixing the issue from the school level to residencies so there is no need for a fellowship?
 
The article is pretty crazy I mean no one in podiatry wants to do hips or knees. It’s a rally cry for all orthos to care about us instead of just f&a orthos
 
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There is no need to go into anyone's professional background or training. No personal attacks.

It’s not a personal attack for commenting on someone’s length of residency training.
 
You know what's funny, the doc that wrote the article is the director of the F/A fellowship at Cedar-Sinai.

I rotated there as a student a few years ago and scrubbed cases with the apparently the best CMT expert ( he's ortho F/A) on the planet along with the podiatry resident and the F/A fellow. The attending allowed the pod resident to do quite a bit, more-so than I expected, especially with the fellow there.

This dude that wrote the letter must know that the pod residents and students rotate with his docs and fellows (at least some of them, I don't think the pod residents covered all the F/A ortho attendings).

You would think he would just talk to the director of the pod program there or something if he has questions or grievances about our training instead of writing this lol
 
You know what's funny, the doc that wrote the article is the director of the F/A fellowship at Cedar-Sinai.

I rotated there as a student a few years ago and scrubbed cases with the apparently the best CMT expert ( he's ortho F/A) on the planet along with the podiatry resident and the F/A fellow. The attending allowed the pod resident to do quite a bit, more-so than I expected, especially with the fellow there.

This dude that wrote the letter must know that the pod residents and students rotate with his docs and fellows (at least some of them, I don't think the pod residents covered all the F/A ortho attendings).

You would think he would just talk to the director of the pod program there or something if he has questions or grievances about our training instead of writing this lol
Idk if you’ve even had the chance to have a personal convo with Glenn Pfeffer but just b/c he let the pod resident do stuff doesn’t necessarily mean he respects the profession. He makes his opinions VERY clear
 
Idk if you’ve even had the chance to have a personal convo with Glenn Pfeffer but just b/c he let the pod resident do stuff doesn’t necessarily mean he respects the profession. He makes his opinions VERY clear

Lol yep he was the one. No we didn't really have any personal convos with him. I remember he's very vocal about everything in the OR, but never heard anything specific about podiatry from him.

But I can see it. They should just not allow pods to scrub with them if they don't like them lol
 
Lol yep he was the one. No we didn't really have any personal convos with him. I remember he's very vocal about everything in the OR, but never heard anything specific about podiatry from him.

But I can see it. They should just not allow pods to scrub with them if they don't like them lol
Way back in the day when I did a student rotation through cook county we had the Rush orthopedics residents and attendings that month and they let the pod students scrub in cases and help out with ortho clinic. The podiatry residents would scrub in as well. We did not do much but we were there. They still treated us like crap. But again we were there. Just because you are there does not mean ortho respects you. It's a formality to say they played nice in the sand box.
 
Way back in the day when I did a student rotation through cook county we had the Rush orthopedics residents and attendings that month and they let the pod students scrub in cases and help out with ortho clinic. The podiatry residents would scrub in as well. We did not do much but we were there. They still treated us like crap. But again we were there. Just because you are there does not mean ortho respects you. It's a formality to say they played nice in the sand box.
I can name you 3-4 programs in NYC that log programs where ortho doesn’t even let podiatry hold retractors, yet the residents log the cases and post to IG.
 
The way orthos will talk to - and talk about - DPMs to your face... versus the way they talk or act regarding DPMs when with one another is black n white.

Even the DPMs working in ortho groups are generally 4th class citizens.
(DOs and non-op MDs are 3rd and 2nd class to the MD ortho surgeons... if the ortho group even hires DOs, that is).

It's a caste system for which there will never be a remedy.

Heck even a lot of DPMs think they're better than others because they work for a hospital, do ABC, passed XYZ cert, make more $, whatever. It's status quo. A pretty smart DPM, a longtime resident favorite at a top program and now a fellowship director at a good advanced recon program, said it well when I was on clerkships: "sure, the MDs hate us, but not half as much as they hate each other. Just do good work, keep a low profile, mostly stay outta their way, avoid conflict, and you can help a lotta people."

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There were a couple of F&A ortho in my residency. One openly hated on podiatrists, not sure why they even let us come to his cases. The sad thing is it was kinda warranted because he got sent so many nightmare patients sent to him from local pods who butchered surgery.
 
There were a couple of F&A ortho in my residency. One openly hated on podiatrists, not sure why they even let us come to his cases. The sad thing is it was kinda warranted because he got sent so many nightmare patients sent to him from local pods who butchered surgery.
Yep, happens to me basically every month or two... and I'm not doing anywhere near the volume of ortho. They probably see them every single day.

I saw a pt today where I get to try to fix a TN nonunion where first pod used medial approach only and 4.0 cann screws (broke almost immed post op)... second did revision attempt exact same thing with baby screws below (same result). First did terrible surgical training, no board cert from even Abpm... never should've tried it - or any surgery really (miracle he has privileges anywhere). Second is younger and better and BQ and does good work typically, but still way under-fixated. Not too excited for my bite at this apple (gastroc, med and dorsal resect, autograft, adequate fixation). 🙃

...Podiatry missed the boat BADLY by not having 10-20% of us highly surgically trained and the rest do basic non-op and feed the surgical ones (dental model). They'd then have good skills and great volume (and probably fair respect from ortho).... but nope, we have what we have now.

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Yep, happens to me basically every month or two... and I'm not doing anywhere near the volume of ortho. They probably see them every single day.

I saw a pt today where I get to try to fix a TN nonunion where first pod used medial approach only and 4.0 cann screws (broke almost immed post op)... second did revision attempt exact same thing with baby screws below (same result). First did terrible surgical training, no board cert from even Abpm... never should've tried it - or any surgery really (miracle he has privileges anywhere). Second is younger and better and BQ and does good work typically, but still way under-fixated. Not too excited for my swing at it (gastroc, med and dorsal resect, autograft, adequate fixation). 🙃

...Podiatry missed the boat BADLY by not having 10-20% of us highly surgically trained and the rest do basic non-op and feed the surgical ones (dent model). They'd then have good skills and great volume (and probably fair respect from ortho).... but nope, we have what we have now.

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Trephine calc graft. Bone chips are for *******.
 
Yep, happens to me basically every month or two... and I'm not doing anywhere near the volume of ortho. They probably see them every single day.

I saw a pt today where I get to try to fix a TN nonunion where first pod used medial approach only and 4.0 cann screws (broke almost immed post op)... second did revision attempt exact same thing with baby screws below (same result). First did terrible surgical training, no board cert from even Abpm... never should've tried it - or any surgery really (miracle he has privileges anywhere). Second is younger and better and BQ and does good work typically, but still way under-fixated. Not too excited for my bite at this apple (gastroc, med and dorsal resect, autograft, adequate fixation). 🙃

...Podiatry missed the boat BADLY by not having 10-20% of us highly surgically trained and the rest do basic non-op and feed the surgical ones (dental model). They'd then have good skills and great volume (and probably fair respect from ortho).... but nope, we have what we have now.

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I don’t mess w anything involving a splint or cast. It’s a peaceful life.
 
The more I practice, the less I want to deal with postop pain and problems that come along with elective and trauma surgery. At least with diabetics they often have no pain for better or worse.
 
The more I practice, the less I want to deal with postop pain and problems that come along with elective and trauma surgery. At least with diabetics they often have no pain for better or worse.
Im with you 100% on this.
 
The more I practice, the less I want to deal with postop pain and problems that come along with elective and trauma surgery. At least with diabetics they often have no pain for better or worse.

I think what I have realized is that dealing with the higher level surgical cases are better suited for people that have colleagues who can decrease the burden and whom can delegate operative and postoperative care within their practice model.

Which basically means ortho foot and ankle who have PAs, whom during the case can do the closure for them, and then the PA/NP's in the clinic can do the postop visits and deal with the pain or dehiscence or whatever. And then, of course, from a podiatry perspective, any residency program will have residents dealing with all of that so I get why the attendings are more willing to do trauma and higher level recon like Charcot recon, etc.

But if you are solo every day, whether you're taking call or in clinic or in the OR, I can see how you wouldn't want to deal with it. Even if you are more than capable of doing something like a total ankle or revision TTC, etc. well, the lifestyle tribulations will add up if you don't have people to delegate too.
And that's not even including the financial aspect of it because it seems like most of you say that clinic makes more than doing surgery.
 
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