Match Day 2014

Get Your Med School Admissions Questions Answered!
This forum made possible through the generous support of SDN members, donors, and sponsors. Thank you.
iceman55 said:
It's ORTHO at UNC, who cares what they're renowned for haha. That's just how I feel. Plus, if I was from south or north Carolina, as the student who matched there most likely is, I would have def ranked them as my top choice.
Click to expand...

This is the problem with pre-meds in general looking at match lists for guidance on which schools to try to go to. You don't have the context to look at these lists. As a basic guide, things that I look at when looking at a match list in no particular order of importance:

Number of people going to prelim positions
Number of students staying at their home institution if their institution isn't one of the big names in that specialty
If people from previous classes (at a given med school) have gone to that program
Number of highly competitive programs get matched - You need to realize that certain programs because of location, reputation and training strength in the least competitive specialties can be as competitive as the most competitive specialties. Someone that matches at CHOP/Boston Childrens are as good/crazy scores as anyone that matched derm or plastics.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 8 users
Members don't see this ad :)
Chemdude said:
GWU Match 2014: 3 Derm,6 Ophthalmology. 6 ENT, 5 Ortho, 15 Radiology, 4 Urology. Unbelievable... http://smhs.gwu.edu/academics/md/current-students/awards-ceremonies/match-day
Click to expand...
rfenzo said:
It's called going to one of the most expensive schools in the country
Click to expand...

From one of the cheapest med schools in the country: 8 derm, 3 ophtho, 4 ENT, 8 ortho, 17 rads, 4 urology

Doesn't take a super expensive school to match with high numbers in those specialties. Just a lot of hard work.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 users
Stellar Clouds said:
From one of the cheapest med schools in the country: 8 derm, 3 ophtho, 4 ENT, 8 ortho, 17 rads, 4 urology

Doesn't take a super expensive school to match with high numbers in those specialties. Just a lot of hard work.
Click to expand...

What happens at a cheaper medical school does not concern the events and motivations of those at an expensive school. Perhaps the cheap school you are referring to has such statistics precisely because it is cheap, and therefore can attract strong, competitive students. In all likelihood it is an inexpensive state school that may or may not be ranked highly, has it's financial act together, and therefore, as I said before, attracts strong students.

Med school isn't like college. There are no community college medical schools. The finances are not tied to success rates like college, and in fact often run inversely (With cheaper schools being the stronger schools).
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 user
bakedbeans18 said:
I'm going to say that the school is either VERY good at selecting a class of people who really, truly want to be community physicians, or the school is doing a terrible job at preparing its students for the USMLE, based on that match. The most impressive feat on there is Vanderbilt, but for OB/GYN. Next up, its Mayo, but it's at the Florida satellite.
Click to expand...
Excuse me? I'm from that school and scored >250 on step 1 and >260 on step 2. Most of us (myself included) got our first choice. Also, most of us chose location over anything else in determining where we decided to go for residency. Only a handful of people (read: less than 6-7) were at all unhappy with their match result.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 7 users
rfenzo said:
What happens at a cheaper medical school does not concern the events and motivations of those at an expensive school. Perhaps the cheap school you are referring to has such statistics precisely because it is cheap, and therefore can attract strong, competitive students. In all likelihood it is an inexpensive state school that may or may not be ranked highly, has it's financial act together, and therefore, as I said before, attracts strong students.

Med school isn't like college. There are no community college medical schools. The finances are not tied to success rates like college, and in fact often run inversely (With cheaper schools being the stronger schools).
Click to expand...

Perhaps I am misinterpreting what you are saying, but you seem to be contradicting this point you made earlier:
rfenzo said:
It's called going to one of the most expensive schools in the country
Click to expand...
 
Stellar Clouds said:
Perhaps I am misinterpreting what you are saying, but you seem to be contradicting this point you made earlier:
Click to expand...

In their first post, I don't think they were suggesting that more expensive medical school poised you well for a competitive specialty. I think they were saying that because the cost at that medical school is so expensive, people are motivated to pursue competitive (see: lucrative) specialties in order to be able to pay the debt off faster.
 
I'll go ahead and say to all of you pre-meds. Go to whatever school you feel is the best fit or makes the most financial sense. You can end up at essentially any residency program regardless of where you attend medical school. There will always be stronger applicants in every class, and you can bet your ass that a strong applicant from one school will be just as competitive as the next when program directors are sifting through thousands of ERAS applications.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 3 users
DREXEL:
Anesthesiology
Yale- New Haven Hosp- CT
Dartmouth-Hitchcock Med Ctr- NH
Baylor Coll Med- Houston TX
Baylor Coll Med- Houston TX
Mayo School of Grad Med Educ- FL
University of Pittsburgh Medical Center- PA
University of Pittsburgh Medical Center- PA
University of Pittsburgh Medical Center- PA
Cleveland Clinic Fdn- OH
Cooper Univ Hospital- NJ
Icahn SOM at Mount Sinai- NY
Icahn SOM at Mount Sinai- NY
U Texas Med Branch- Galveston
Rutgers- NJ
U Illinois
Hosp of the Univ of Pennsylvania- PA
NYU
Medical Univ of South Carolina

Child Neurology
U Texas Southwestern

Dermatology
Johns Hopkins Hosp- MD
University of Pittsburgh Medical Center - PA
Drexel/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA

Emergency Medicine
Duke Univ Med Ctr- NC
Denver Health Med Ctr- CO
Georgetown Univ Hosp (Washington Hosp Center)- DC
Temple Univ Hosp- PA
Temple Univ Hosp- PA
Drexel/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
Drexel/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
Drexel/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
Drexel/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
Univ of Southern California- CA
Morristown Mem Hosp- NJ
Maimonides Med Ctr- NY
U Rochester/Strong Mem- NY
Thomas Jefferson Univ- PA
Allegheny Gen Hosp- PA
Allegheny Gen Hosp- PA
Stony Brook Hosp- NY
Vidant Med Ctr/ East Carolina Univ- NC
York Hospital- PA
Kaiser Permanente- San Diego CA

Family Medicine
Abington Mem Hosp- PA
Washington Hospital- PA
Forbes Family Medicine- PA
U Kansas SOM- Wichita
University of Pittsburgh St Margaret- PA
Drexel/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
York Hospital- PA
Chestnut Hill Hospital- PA
Bryn Mawr Hospital- PA
UC San Diego- CA
Family Medicine Res of Idaho
Hershey Med Ctr/Penn State- PA

General Surgery
Boston Univ Med Ctr- MA
U Connecticut School of Medicine
Oregon Health & Science Univ
Cleveland Clinic Fdn- OH
Allegheny Gen Hosp- PA
Case Western/Univ Hosps Case Med Ctr-OH
Morehouse School of Medicine- GA
York Hospital- PA
Stony Brook Hospital- NY
Temple Univ Hosp- PA
Guthrie/Robert Packer Hosp- PA
U South Florida SOM- Tampa
Rutgers- Robert Wood Johnson Medical School- NJ
Lehigh Valley Hosp- PA

Internal Medicine
U Maryland Med Ctr
Thomas Jefferson Univ- PA
Thomas Jefferson Univ- PA
George Washington Univ- DC
George Washington Univ- DC
George Washington Univ- DC
Einstein/Beth Israel Med Ctr- NY
Einstein/Beth Israel Med Ctr- NY
Einstein/Montefiore Med Ctr- NY
Beth Israel Deaconess Med Ctr- MA
Hershey Med Ctr/Penn State- PA
Hershey Med Ctr/Penn State- PA
Tufts Medical Center- MA
Naval Medical Center- San Diego CA
Icahn SOM at Mount Sinai- NY
Temple Univ Hosp- PA
Morristown Mem Hosp- NJ
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center- CA
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center- CA
UC Davis Med Ctr- CA
U Southern California
Medical Univ of South Carolina
York Hospital- PA
U South Florida SOM- Tampa
North Shore-LIJ Health Sys- NY
Case Western/Univ Hosps Case Med Ctr- OH
Cooper University Hospital- NJ
Cooper University Hospital- NJ
Rutgers- Robert Wood Johnson Medical School- NJ
Rutgers- New Jersey Medical School- NJ
Christiana Care- DE
University of Virginia
Drexel/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
U Michigan Hosps- Ann Arbor- MI
Barnes-Jewish Hosp- MO
Allegheny Gen Hosp- PA
Scripps Clinic/Green Hospital- CA
Icahn SOM at Mount Sinai- NY
Danbury Hospital- CT
U Connecticut School of Medicine

Medicine-Pediatrics
Christiana Care- DE
Vanderbilt Univ Med Ctr- TN

Neurology
U Southern California
U Southern California
U South Florida SOM- Tampa

Neurosurgery
Rhode Island Hosp/Brown Univ
Allegheny Gen Hosp- PA

OB-gyn
NYU School of Medicine
Stanford Univ- CA
Drexel Univ/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
Drexel/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
Stony Brook Hosp- NY
University of North Carolina- NC
Icahn SOM at Mount Sinai- NY
U Maryland Med Ctr
U Maryland Med Ctr
Einstein/Beth Israel Med Ctr- NY
Thomas Jefferson Univ- PA
U Texas Med Branch- Galveston
Hershey Med Ctr/Penn State- PA
Jackson Memorial Hosp- FL
Jersey Shore Univ Med Ctr- NJ

Orthopaedic Surgery
Rhode Island Hosp/Brown Univ
Yale- New Haven Hosp- CT
Stanford Univ- CA
Walter Reed National Military Medical Center- MD
Rutgers- NJ
Drexel Univ/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
Drexel Univ/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
Drexel Univ/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
Beaumont Health System- MI
Einstein/Montefiore Med Ctr- NY
Monmouth Medical Ctr- NJ
North Shore- LIJ Health Sys- NY
Boston Univ Med Ctr- MA
UPMC Hamot Med Ctr- PA
George Washington Univ- DC
Cooper University Hospital- NJ

Ophthalmology
Temple Univ Hosp- PA
Emory Univ SOM- GA
SUNY Downstate- NY
SUNY Downstate- NY
Drexel/Hahnemann Univ Hospital- PA
Loyola/Hines VA Hospital- IL

Otolaryngology (ENT)
NYMC- New York Eye and Ear Infirmary
Hershey Med Ctr/Penn State- PA
Univ of North Carolina
U Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics

Pathology
U Utah Affil Hospitals

Pediatrics
Johns Hopkins Hosp- MD
Johns Hopkins Hosp- MD
Johns Hopkins Hosp- MD
Duke Univ Med Ctr- NC
Childrens Hospital of Philadelphia- PA
UC Davis Med Ctr- CA
UC Davis Med Ctr- CA
UC Irvine Med Ctr- CA
Medical Univ of South Carolina
Walter Reed National Military Medical Center- MD
Jefferson Med Coll/duPont Childrens- PA
Jefferson Med Coll/duPont Childrens- PA
Naval Medical Center- San Diego
St Christophers Hosp- PA
St Christophers Hosp- PA
St Christophers Hosp- PA
St Christophers Hosp- PA
St Christophers Hosp- PA
North Shore-LIJ Health Sys- NY
Med Coll Wisconsin Affil Hosp
Case Western/Univ Hosps Case Med Ctr- OH
U Connecticut School of Medicine- CT
U Connecticut School of Medicine
U South Florida COM- Tampa
Vidant Med Ctr/ East Carolina Univ- NC
Univ of Maryland
Nationwide Childrens Hosp- OH
NYMC Westchester Med Ctr- NY
NYP Hosp-Weill Cornell Med Ctr- NY
Loma Linda Univ- CA
Childrens National Medical Center- DC

Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation
NYU School of Medicine
Hosp of the Univ of Pennsylvania- PA
Temple Univ Hosp- PA

Plastic Surgery
Loma Linda University- CA
UC Davis Med Ctr- CA
Indiana Univ – IN

Preliminary- Medicine
Drexel/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
Mercy Catholic Med- PA

Preliminary- Surgery
Temple Univ Hosp- PA
Temple Univ Hosp- PA
Abington Mem Hospital- PA
U Colorado SOM

Psychiatry
Johns Hopkins Hosp- MD
Georgetown Univ Hosp- DC
Dartmouth-Hitchcock Med Ctr- NH
Dartmouth-Hitchcock Med Ctr- NH
Einstein/Beth Israel Med Ctr- NY
U Massachusetts Med School – MA
Baylor Coll Med- TX
Med Coll Wisconsin Affil Hosp

Radiology (Diagnostic)
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr- IL
U South Florida COM- Tampa
University of Pittsburgh Medical Center - PA
North Shore- LIJ Health Sys- NY
Vanderbilt Univ Med Ctr- TN
NYMC- Westchester Med Ctr- NY
Pennsylvania Hospital
Thomas Jefferson Univ- PA
UC Irvine Med Ctr- CA
Einstein/Beth Israel Med Ctr- NY
Albert Einstein Med Ctr- PA

Radiation Oncology
CA Pacific Med Center
U Texas Med Branch- Galveston

Transitional
Walter Reed National Military Medical Center- MD
Walter Reed National Military Medical Center- MD
Naval Medical Center- CA
William Beaumont Army Medical Center- TX

Urology
University of Pittsburgh Medical Center – PA
Dartmouth-Hitchcock Med Ctr- NH
Stony Brook Hospital- NY
North Shore-LIJ Health Sys- NY
Maimonides Med Ctr- NY

(I'm a 4th year medical student at Drexel. This is the list I have- they haven't posted it on their website yet. Let me know if anyone has questions about Drexel, or medical school in general!)
 
pyrrion89 said:
Does it seem to anyone that every school has a great-looking match list? Not sure how that happens. How can every school have an above-average-looking match list?
Click to expand...

You obviously have not seen all the other school's match lists.
 
msquaredb said:
I think you'd be surprised how many people reconsider lower paying specialties in the face of 300k+ debt.
Click to expand...

Yeah, the attitude of "I'd do medicine no matter how much the salary", changes pretty fast from the beginning of MS-1 to MS-4, when loans come a knocking. Unless of course, your entire medical school debt is being paid in cash by your affluent parents. In that case you join AMSA, and lecture on your soapbox to everyone else.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 users
Members don't see this ad :)
bakedbeans18 said:
106 'primary care residents' - 75% of which will pursue IM and pediatric subspecialties.


Over 45 percent of U-M's graduates will eventually enter a subspecialty of internal medicine or pediatrics. ftfy ;-)

For the record, I'm not hating on anyone who sub-specializes. I just think it's kind of a joke when a medical school like UM or Baylor thinks they are boasting a dedication to meeting the primary care needs to address the ever elusive doctor shortage, when in reality many subspecialties are concerned with academic pedigree and you will find the overwhelming majority of alumni from the top medical schools practicing medicine in an academic setting and subspecialzing, as opposed to being the family doc or the GP or an emergency physician in southern indiana or wyoming or rural maine.
Click to expand...

Yes, it's called the Dean's lie for a reason: https://www.google.com/#q=Dean's+lie+medical+school
 
vagabondrunning said:
What if they have preliminary-surgery or preliminary-medicine but do not have a residency spot also on the Match List. Did they go unmatched?
Click to expand...

Essentially. They have a solid internship so they have a job for next year, but they don't have an advanced residency program in which to continue their training, after their first year.
 
skk3 said:
Hmm are there no names associated with the match list? I'm curious because I met a lot of NYMC students on the interview trail and I'd like to know where they went. Any ideas if there is an alternative match list with the names? It technically is public information...
Click to expand...

To access the PDF you have to have a login: http://www.nymc.edu/Medical/match/2013/results.htm
This is silly, IMHO, bc this information will become public: Residency websites, Healthgrades, Vitals.com, Licensing Boards, etc.
 
PuraVida09 said:
DREXEL:
Anesthesiology
Yale- New Haven Hosp- CT
Dartmouth-Hitchcock Med Ctr- NH
Baylor Coll Med- Houston TX
Baylor Coll Med- Houston TX
Mayo School of Grad Med Educ- FL
University of Pittsburgh Medical Center- PA
University of Pittsburgh Medical Center- PA
University of Pittsburgh Medical Center- PA
Cleveland Clinic Fdn- OH
Cooper Univ Hospital- NJ
Icahn SOM at Mount Sinai- NY
Icahn SOM at Mount Sinai- NY
U Texas Med Branch- Galveston
Rutgers- NJ
U Illinois
Hosp of the Univ of Pennsylvania- PA
NYU
Medical Univ of South Carolina

Child Neurology
U Texas Southwestern

Dermatology
Johns Hopkins Hosp- MD
University of Pittsburgh Medical Center - PA
Drexel/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA

Emergency Medicine
Duke Univ Med Ctr- NC
Denver Health Med Ctr- CO
Georgetown Univ Hosp (Washington Hosp Center)- DC
Temple Univ Hosp- PA
Temple Univ Hosp- PA
Drexel/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
Drexel/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
Drexel/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
Drexel/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
Univ of Southern California- CA
Morristown Mem Hosp- NJ
Maimonides Med Ctr- NY
U Rochester/Strong Mem- NY
Thomas Jefferson Univ- PA
Allegheny Gen Hosp- PA
Allegheny Gen Hosp- PA
Stony Brook Hosp- NY
Vidant Med Ctr/ East Carolina Univ- NC
York Hospital- PA
Kaiser Permanente- San Diego CA

Family Medicine
Abington Mem Hosp- PA
Washington Hospital- PA
Forbes Family Medicine- PA
U Kansas SOM- Wichita
University of Pittsburgh St Margaret- PA
Drexel/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
York Hospital- PA
Chestnut Hill Hospital- PA
Bryn Mawr Hospital- PA
UC San Diego- CA
Family Medicine Res of Idaho
Hershey Med Ctr/Penn State- PA

General Surgery
Boston Univ Med Ctr- MA
U Connecticut School of Medicine
Oregon Health & Science Univ
Cleveland Clinic Fdn- OH
Allegheny Gen Hosp- PA
Case Western/Univ Hosps Case Med Ctr-OH
Morehouse School of Medicine- GA
York Hospital- PA
Stony Brook Hospital- NY
Temple Univ Hosp- PA
Guthrie/Robert Packer Hosp- PA
U South Florida SOM- Tampa
Rutgers- Robert Wood Johnson Medical School- NJ
Lehigh Valley Hosp- PA

Internal Medicine
U Maryland Med Ctr
Thomas Jefferson Univ- PA
Thomas Jefferson Univ- PA
George Washington Univ- DC
George Washington Univ- DC
George Washington Univ- DC
Einstein/Beth Israel Med Ctr- NY
Einstein/Beth Israel Med Ctr- NY
Einstein/Montefiore Med Ctr- NY
Beth Israel Deaconess Med Ctr- MA
Hershey Med Ctr/Penn State- PA
Hershey Med Ctr/Penn State- PA
Tufts Medical Center- MA
Naval Medical Center- San Diego CA
Icahn SOM at Mount Sinai- NY
Temple Univ Hosp- PA
Morristown Mem Hosp- NJ
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center- CA
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center- CA
UC Davis Med Ctr- CA
U Southern California
Medical Univ of South Carolina
York Hospital- PA
U South Florida SOM- Tampa
North Shore-LIJ Health Sys- NY
Case Western/Univ Hosps Case Med Ctr- OH
Cooper University Hospital- NJ
Cooper University Hospital- NJ
Rutgers- Robert Wood Johnson Medical School- NJ
Rutgers- New Jersey Medical School- NJ
Christiana Care- DE
University of Virginia
Drexel/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
U Michigan Hosps- Ann Arbor- MI
Barnes-Jewish Hosp- MO
Allegheny Gen Hosp- PA
Scripps Clinic/Green Hospital- CA
Icahn SOM at Mount Sinai- NY
Danbury Hospital- CT
U Connecticut School of Medicine

Medicine-Pediatrics
Christiana Care- DE
Vanderbilt Univ Med Ctr- TN

Neurology
U Southern California
U Southern California
U South Florida SOM- Tampa

Neurosurgery
Rhode Island Hosp/Brown Univ
Allegheny Gen Hosp- PA

OB-gyn
NYU School of Medicine
Stanford Univ- CA
Drexel Univ/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
Drexel/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
Stony Brook Hosp- NY
University of North Carolina- NC
Icahn SOM at Mount Sinai- NY
U Maryland Med Ctr
U Maryland Med Ctr
Einstein/Beth Israel Med Ctr- NY
Thomas Jefferson Univ- PA
U Texas Med Branch- Galveston
Hershey Med Ctr/Penn State- PA
Jackson Memorial Hosp- FL
Jersey Shore Univ Med Ctr- NJ

Orthopaedic Surgery
Rhode Island Hosp/Brown Univ
Yale- New Haven Hosp- CT
Stanford Univ- CA
Walter Reed National Military Medical Center- MD
Rutgers- NJ
Drexel Univ/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
Drexel Univ/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
Drexel Univ/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
Beaumont Health System- MI
Einstein/Montefiore Med Ctr- NY
Monmouth Medical Ctr- NJ
North Shore- LIJ Health Sys- NY
Boston Univ Med Ctr- MA
UPMC Hamot Med Ctr- PA
George Washington Univ- DC
Cooper University Hospital- NJ

Ophthalmology
Temple Univ Hosp- PA
Emory Univ SOM- GA
SUNY Downstate- NY
SUNY Downstate- NY
Drexel/Hahnemann Univ Hospital- PA
Loyola/Hines VA Hospital- IL

Otolaryngology (ENT)
NYMC- New York Eye and Ear Infirmary
Hershey Med Ctr/Penn State- PA
Univ of North Carolina
U Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics

Pathology
U Utah Affil Hospitals

Pediatrics
Johns Hopkins Hosp- MD
Johns Hopkins Hosp- MD
Johns Hopkins Hosp- MD
Duke Univ Med Ctr- NC
Childrens Hospital of Philadelphia- PA
UC Davis Med Ctr- CA
UC Davis Med Ctr- CA
UC Irvine Med Ctr- CA
Medical Univ of South Carolina
Walter Reed National Military Medical Center- MD
Jefferson Med Coll/duPont Childrens- PA
Jefferson Med Coll/duPont Childrens- PA
Naval Medical Center- San Diego
St Christophers Hosp- PA
St Christophers Hosp- PA
St Christophers Hosp- PA
St Christophers Hosp- PA
St Christophers Hosp- PA
North Shore-LIJ Health Sys- NY
Med Coll Wisconsin Affil Hosp
Case Western/Univ Hosps Case Med Ctr- OH
U Connecticut School of Medicine- CT
U Connecticut School of Medicine
U South Florida COM- Tampa
Vidant Med Ctr/ East Carolina Univ- NC
Univ of Maryland
Nationwide Childrens Hosp- OH
NYMC Westchester Med Ctr- NY
NYP Hosp-Weill Cornell Med Ctr- NY
Loma Linda Univ- CA
Childrens National Medical Center- DC

Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation
NYU School of Medicine
Hosp of the Univ of Pennsylvania- PA
Temple Univ Hosp- PA

Plastic Surgery
Loma Linda University- CA
UC Davis Med Ctr- CA
Indiana Univ – IN

Preliminary- Medicine
Drexel/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
Mercy Catholic Med- PA

Preliminary- Surgery
Temple Univ Hosp- PA
Temple Univ Hosp- PA
Abington Mem Hospital- PA
U Colorado SOM

Psychiatry
Johns Hopkins Hosp- MD
Georgetown Univ Hosp- DC
Dartmouth-Hitchcock Med Ctr- NH
Dartmouth-Hitchcock Med Ctr- NH
Einstein/Beth Israel Med Ctr- NY
U Massachusetts Med School – MA
Baylor Coll Med- TX
Med Coll Wisconsin Affil Hosp

Radiology (Diagnostic)
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr- IL
U South Florida COM- Tampa
University of Pittsburgh Medical Center - PA
North Shore- LIJ Health Sys- NY
Vanderbilt Univ Med Ctr- TN
NYMC- Westchester Med Ctr- NY
Pennsylvania Hospital
Thomas Jefferson Univ- PA
UC Irvine Med Ctr- CA
Einstein/Beth Israel Med Ctr- NY
Albert Einstein Med Ctr- PA

Radiation Oncology
CA Pacific Med Center
U Texas Med Branch- Galveston

Transitional
Walter Reed National Military Medical Center- MD
Walter Reed National Military Medical Center- MD
Naval Medical Center- CA
William Beaumont Army Medical Center- TX

Urology
University of Pittsburgh Medical Center – PA
Dartmouth-Hitchcock Med Ctr- NH
Stony Brook Hospital- NY
North Shore-LIJ Health Sys- NY
Maimonides Med Ctr- NY

(I'm a 4th year medical student at Drexel. This is the list I have- they haven't posted it on their website yet. Let me know if anyone has questions about Drexel, or medical school in general!)
Click to expand...

wow - awesome!!
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 users
jeghaber said:
The same way every school seems to advertise above-average Step 1 scores :p But most likely sample bias, I suppose
Click to expand...

That's the funniest. Every school (except the ones who are at the top) are quite stealthy on hiding their average USMLE Step score. They will however say that they score at the average or "above average" when it comes to the score, or say they "beat" the national pass rate.
 
Another major problems with premeds (or anyone, really) interpreting match lists is you know the numerator (# of students matching) but not the denominator (number of students applying). If school X has 4 students matching ENT that looks really great! Until you learn that 10 students applied for ENT and 6 went unmatched. 4/10 seems a lot less impressive doesn't it?
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 users
Stellar Clouds said:
Perhaps I am misinterpreting what you are saying, but you seem to be contradicting this point you made earlier:
Click to expand...

I think we both may have misinterpreted each other, and for that I apologize. Effectively what I am saying is that while the inexpensive school may produce strong candidates in strong fields, the fact that they do has no correlation or relationship to what happens at schools on the other end of the financial spectrum. Debt burdens at expensive schools apply pressures toward specialty decision-making that do not occur at less expensive institutions. That does not mean that students at inexpensive schools are not competitive, and they may also apply to competitive fields for any of the reasons I listed earlier.

What I was saying then to your point is that the two situations are unrelated. What I was saying in the original point is that the number of competitive matches at a school cannot be looked at in a vacuum ($ matters when you have 400K in debt).
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 users
Slack3r said:
Another major problems with premeds (or anyone, really) interpreting match lists is you know the numerator (# of students matching) but not the denominator (number of students applying). If school X has 4 students matching ENT that looks really great! Until you learn that 10 students applied for ENT and 6 went unmatched. 4/10 seems a lot less impressive doesn't it?
Click to expand...

Most of the time that denominator self-selects out earlier than the match. Schools are actually pretty good about trying to get people to shoot for something realistic, and ENT, urology, ortho, etc PDs are by and large straight shooters who will tell students if they have no chance.

The biggest problem with match lists, IMHO, is that you as the pre-med trying to interpret the list are blinded to choice.

What I mean is - you may think it looks super awesome that someone matched into plastics at Northwestern. Except turns out that was #9 on their match list and they were dead set on matching in the East Coast, and had to choke back tears on match day. That is, by definition, not a good match (***NOTE this is a completely made up example, I have nothing against Northwestern, it is a great program).

Or on the flip side, the class president, Junior AOA board score >260 applicant who matches to their #1 Family Medicine choice at Colorado. Not nearly as impressive a match on paper, but this was probably the school's top student and they got their top choice and were overjoyed on match day. So it is actually an awesome match.

The most important aspect of a match is whether the applicant is happy with it. All the e-peen measuring of the list when blinded to that aspect misses out as a result.

I largely agree with @mimelim 's approach.
(1) number of prelims with no advanced position - as this is largely a proxy for # unmatched.
(2) Home program bias (esp for mid/lower tier programs)
(3) I then honestly just look at the matches in my field and closely related fields, as those are really the only ones I know enough about to analyze critically.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 3 users
southernIM said:
Most of the time that denominator self-selects out earlier than the match. Schools are actually pretty good about trying to get people to shoot for something realistic, and ENT, urology, ortho, etc PDs are by and large straight shooters who will tell students if they have no chance.

The biggest problem with match lists, IMHO, is that you as the pre-med trying to interpret the list are blinded to choice.

What I mean is - you may think it looks super awesome that someone matched into plastics at Northwestern. Except turns out that was #9 on their match list and they were dead set on matching in the East Coast, and had to choke back tears on match day. That is, by definition, not a good match (***NOTE this is a completely made up example, I have nothing against Northwestern, it is a great program).

Or on the flip side, the class president, Junior AOA board score >260 applicant who matches to their #1 Family Medicine choice at Colorado. Not nearly as impressive a match on paper, but this was probably the school's top student and they got their top choice and were overjoyed on match day. So it is actually an awesome match.

The most important aspect of a match is whether the applicant is happy with it. All the e-peen measuring of the list when blinded to that aspect misses out as a result.

I largely agree with @mimelim 's approach.
(1) number of prelims with no advanced position - as this is largely a proxy for # unmatched.
(2) Home program bias (esp for mid/lower tier programs)
(3) I then honestly just look at the matches in my field and closely related fields, as those are really the only ones I know enough about to analyze critically.
Click to expand...

Two quick questions for you or anyone more informed than I.

1) Is there a difference between preliminary medicine and primary medicine on match lists? I've seen this and not sure what it means.
2) When you say home program bias, what do you mean by that exactly and what constitutes the appearance of it? Wouldn't a lot of students want to stay, particularly if they are students with families/more settled down?
 
rfenzo said:
Two quick questions for you or anyone more informed than I.

1) Is there a difference between preliminary medicine and primary medicine on match lists? I've seen this and not sure what it means.
2) When you say home program bias, what do you mean by that exactly and what constitutes the appearance of it? Wouldn't a lot of students want to stay, particularly if they are students with families/more settled down?
Click to expand...

(1) Preliminary medicine is a 1 year position. It can either be a "gateway" year to specialties that start in year 2 (radiology, rad onc, derm, ophtho, neuro, some anesthesia programs), or it can be a one year stand-alone position. If the latter, it usually means that the person failed to match into an advanced position and either ended up matching to only a prelim year, or failed to match completely and SOAPed into a prelim spot.

"Primary care" medicine is a track within an internal medicine program focused more on outpatient/primary care than inpatient medicine.

(2) This is why it is all subjective. In some cases, having a lot of students stay can be a good thing - it means that more or less the students are buying what the program is selling. And yes, there is certainly incentive to stay in one spot/settle down. And again, if it is Hopkins or Stanford or something - duh, a lot of students will want to stay. But when a lot of students are staying at mid/low-tier programs (particularly in fields like medicine or surgery which shouldn't be THAT competitive) - then it makes you wonder if they are staying due to preference or due to a dearth of other options.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 users
southernIM said:
(1) Preliminary medicine is a 1 year position. It can either be a "gateway" year to specialties that start in year 2 (radiology, rad onc, derm, ophtho, neuro, some anesthesia programs), or it can be a one year stand-alone position. If the latter, it usually means that the person failed to match into an advanced position and either ended up matching to only a prelim year, or failed to match completely and SOAPed into a prelim spot.

"Primary care" medicine is a track within an internal medicine program focused more on outpatient/primary care than inpatient medicine.

(2) This is why it is all subjective. In some cases, having a lot of students stay can be a good thing - it means that more or less the students are buying what the program is selling. And yes, there is certainly incentive to stay in one spot/settle down. And again, if it is Hopkins or Stanford or something - duh, a lot of students will want to stay. But when a lot of students are staying at mid/low-tier programs (particularly in fields like medicine or surgery which shouldn't be THAT competitive) - then it makes you wonder if they are staying due to preference or due to a dearth of other options.
Click to expand...

I agree that this can be viewed as a negative (except when it isn't, as you discussed). I think the exceptions are very competitive fields, where just matching is an accomplishment in itself. You also mentioned this, but wanted to say it again for any pre-meds looking at these lists: The other place to be careful is when evaluating some of the smaller specialties that the general public is less aware of. For ophtho, urology, rad/onc, ortho, ENT, etc, some of the best programs are at places you've never heard of or would never know are at the top based on brand name. It almost requires you to apply to a specialty to really know the ins and outs of program rankings.

Looking forward to seeing more of these as they come out this week. Congrats all!
 
prettyNURSEtoMD said:
“We had a large group of students entering residency programs in primary care specialties such as internal medicine (53) and pediatrics (33),” said Dr. Mihalic,
Click to expand...
Dr. Mihalic, this quote will become a case study on how medical schools knowingly inflate their "Primary Care" stats. Where's FM? What percentage of those 86 Med/Peds residents will not go on to sub-specialize?
 
Anyone have SUNY Upstate's match list? It's not on their website.
 
WhippleWhileWeWork said:
Dr. Mihalic, this quote will become a case study on how medical schools knowingly inflate their "Primary Care" stats. Where's FM? What percentage of those 86 Med/Peds residents will not go on to sub-specialize?
Click to expand...


I'm not the dr that's just on the website.
 
Here is the University of Massachusetts match list 2014 for all those interested. A very significant number of students have matched into top programs (MGH, Brigham & Women's, Beth Israel, Stanford, NYU, Dartmouth, etc).
 

Attachments

  • UMass Match Table 2014.pdf
    77.4 KB · Views: 325
It's interesting to see these match lists for fun, but I really do not see the point of trying to interpret them. I always thought matching was a highly personalized event based on your location preferences, your specialty preference, etc.

Sorry, I'm just not getting why a higher than normal number of ortho matches one year (which probably isnt significant) bears any relation to the school. It could just be that more people were interested in ortho that year..
 
  • Like
Reactions: 6 users
JT3 said:
Doesn't look like it

Its safe to assume JHU and MGH are your heavy hitters though, just like in everything
Click to expand...

I've heard the opposite. What I've read is that places like that have so many different specialties and fellows running around that the case load is much lower for gen. surg.
 
JT3 said:
Its def a good basis for getting an idea of things, including discharges

Do you see any top tens that SHOULDN'T be ranked so high?
Click to expand...

Cedars (brand new residency program), Hopkins, CC. Missing some of the most well regarded programs (Iowa, Wash U, etc).
 
MUSC match list? Or at least input from an M4...
 
timelesss said:
It's interesting to see these match lists for fun, but I really do not see the point of trying to interpret them. I always thought matching was a highly personalized event based on your location preferences, your specialty preference, etc.

Sorry, I'm just not getting why a higher than normal number of ortho matches one year (which probably isnt significant) bears any relation to the school. It could just be that more people were interested in ortho that year..
Click to expand...
EXACTLY. It's hard to imagine at your point in the game, but fit and feel mean more to PD's and your future selves than you can grasp.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Next unread thread

Similar threads

T
Post-TMDSAS match day question
Replies
3
Views
1K
wysdoc
wysdoc
T
On tmdsas match day : results look like?
Replies
6
Views
2K
Hopeful Reapplicant :)
H
D
Learning how to match
Replies
3
Views
584
Mr.Smile12
Mr.Smile12
D
Time/money vs match history
Replies
11
Views
1K
LeaveNoTrace
L
Reanox24
Will going to second look day increase my probability of receiving a scholarship?
Replies
4
Views
1K
Mr.Smile12
Mr.Smile12
Top