Nah you’re clueless. Calling someone else spoiled when you got help just like they did. Meanwhile other residents are scraping by and living with multiple roommates without any parental help at all. If you want to minimize the help you got that’s on you. That’s some serious cognitive dissonance though. 😂😮💨
He didn’t financially come out of pocket. He “paid” in time and labor if you want to look at it that way but I find myself less prone to do that because my family regularly helps each other similarly when able because it’s just what we do. I do a lot for my family and my parents have supported me financially since I’ve started school. I could easily point to those things I do for them when home as repayment but I don’t feel that’s what it is. I personally don’t see that as payment. It’s just me being a supportive family member. Also what he did is not something she required of him to live there but something he chose to do because she was giving him help. At the end of the day it doesn’t really matter but people minimizing the help they got while calling others spoiled rubs me the wrong way.
Man you are a relentless word twistor. I received help but I also gave back more than what I received in other ways. Its a viable solution that I would recommend closely examining. My comment about being “spoiled” was referring to todays residents in general, who get payed more than any previous years and get more support in the form of midlevels etc. At least at my program that was definitely the case. So no, I dont feel bad at all about anything I said. I took out loans to cover my entire college and med school education. ENTIRE. I’ll be paying that back for years to come. Oh and I forgot to mention. Ive been paying my mothers mortgage since day one of being an attending. Oh moochey me.
Lol if you say so. I’m the word twister but here you continuing on about me calling you a moocher when I never said or insinuated that. You paying your mom back now has nothing to do with having a better living situation than most other residents that didn’t have a parents help. I’m not about to continue arguing. We get it, you think you’re better than other people that got help because of the way you got it, and other people are “spoiled”, and you have a guilty conscience when someone challenges that notion hence your fascination with being called a mooch. Lmbo I don’t care. Agree to disagree and move on
Dude, you dont know me or what I did for these people in any single shred of a way. Ive done things for them that are completely personal and life changing. Them giving me a room to live in was the absolute least they could do as a matter of fact. I wont even post about that because its private. You should really rethink judging people the way you do based on a couple of sdn posts. You really dont know me and the way you’re jumping down my throat makes me seriously question your intellect…
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This is that BS mentality where your barometer of adversity is the gold standard. It's not. Just because you went through much worse, does not mean today's residents deserve anything near that. You didn't deserve it and neither do we. It's not a rite of passage.
Whoooa whoaaa where did I say anybody deserves to be exploited? Man I thought this other guy was bad but wow. You broke the meter. Its definitely exploitation. Exploitation that I fought while in residency so that the next generation could have it better. AND THEY DO. I wish I could wave my magic wand of justice and make the fat cats pay. The fact of the matter is, these residents DO have it better than previous generations. And no, I dont want to hear it. We all went through it, we did what we had to, we made sacrifices, we made it work and we are better for it. We all know what we’re getting into when we choose this life. Like it or not, perfect or not, life didnt do this to them. They did this to themselves when they chose this life. Back in the day people LIVED IN the hospital and for a lot less. Things have VASTLY improved for residents. Even since I was in training. Can the hospital afford to pay them more? Maybe. I urge this generation to fight for the next generation for sure, but do it via the proper channels. Make strong cases. Unionize. Get political. Write letters. This is the true way to change. Just know you are up against a mega machine at this point. Going into this thinking the world is going to instantly bend for you, well thats beyond foolish.
I understand both points of view on this thread. I had Med School loans. I had to take a loan out to take my ABA exams and move to my first job. I couldn't afford my own apartment in med school or residency. I know what it feels like to be just able to make ends meet. But, that was 30+ years ago and I am in a different position today. So, should I help my kids out when they need a hand up but not a hand out? Or, should I make them struggle a little like I did?
My strategy is helping but allowing them some skin at risk in their matters and choices. A little struggle, I think, is most definitely good. That being said, there are too many variables in raising another human being for there to be a recipe. You could probably use the same strategy with two different kids, make one a doctor and the other a criminal. Each child is different, with different capabilities and needs. I think really knowing your kids is more important than anything else. Im preaching to the choir. But to quote Jason Statham- “Good judgement comes from good experience, and most of that comes from bad judgement.”
It honestly doesn’t make sense to me to let any family member struggle just for the sake of doing so. These aren’t little children wasting away their time. They’re driven, highly educated adults that unfortunately don’t even make enough money to be comfortable. To me it’s a no brainer. If I had the ability to help I would. I guess it makes little sense to me also because my family is so supportive and we struggled when I was young. There were several times we were evicted from our apt and there wasn’t enough food to eat. As we got stable and actually started living well they continued to support me even after I graduated high school because they wanted me to focus on education and not have the rough life that we initially had. They didn’t want me taking out loans if they could help it. Everything they’ve done for me up to this point has been in an effort to give me a boost up as far as they possibly can so that I wouldn’t struggle the way they did. This was all under the promise and understanding that I would do the same for my kids when the time came. It just blows my mind that anyone would be ok with their kid living in unsafe housing or struggling or not feeling comfortable in their home when they can easily help just because the person thinks they should struggle like them in the past. I’ll never support that. It’s anti-generational wealth and a crab in the bucket mentality to me. Why have money if you’re not going to use it to at least help your immediate family? Why not boost your family up? Its so confusing to me. I’m not talking about supporting a bum that has nothing going for them either to be clear. They need to be doing something at least.
Gonna go out on a limb here and guess you dont have kids…? Some amount of struggle teaches resilience, problem solving and creativity. Im not saying pummel your children into learned helplessness. But overprotecting and over-helicoptering is just as detrimental.
I think helping out with rent for 2 years in high COL area is reasonable especially when the plan is zero dollars at PGY-3. I do think the better option is moonlighting for the additional money or a cheaper apartment. I am not sure forcing someone to have roommates is a good idea as I really did prefer my own apartment when I could finally afford it.
If he lived with her rent free and never remodeled her house then that would be equivalent. Otherwise what he did sounds like a lot. And while he still got a little help yes, it's not what you are trying to make it out to be. He worked hard on her house and increased her home's value. And how do you know he didn't put any money in it? Maybe he bought some materials on top of sweat equity. Sweat equity is a thing.
Yeah sure. I wish I had that. But ultimately the kid did choose to go to a high COL program.
To clarify, these numbers are NOT from Boston Medical Center. (Looking at their website, seems they get at least $12k/year more than this before a number of academic and meal $ benefits)
The next post I listed Boston Medical Center's salaries. Here is PGY-1: $66,750.80
So like 1.5k for 1 shift? Or is that gross rather than net?
If your kid said they needed more because your inflation-adjusted allowance for them no longer covers their luxury apartment and affords them a 50 hour work week so they don't have to moonlight then you'd say ok great here you go?
I knew someone who would commute 1 hour away to moonlight because the rate was fantastic. I find it impossible to accept that there is no moonlighting of any kind to be had for a motivated person. And part of budgeting is figuring out how much money you make and how much you spend. Needing someone to supplement your income because your rent is too expensive is an example of failed budgeting.
Let's say there's no moonlighting opportunities available to these MA residents at all. How do you think the residents that came from poverty survive...?
2 ICU shifts a weekend.
There are some affordableish suburbs and it’s not like NYC where it’s impossible to drive in. Though I don’t know how far one could live and still be on call. Might be easier for a psych or FM resident than general surgery for instance.
Wow that’s way more than I expected. Theoretically could one do this every weekend and make 6000 per month after taxes.
You could if you were the only one doing it. When I was a resident there were several moonlighting sites available but there were a few of us in the pool that competed for the spots each time. Usually a resident that was a real go getter was in charge of the scheduling. It was mostly fair but of course the scheduler managed to work the system.
Yes, there are residents here who moonlight aggressively and drive really nice cars. One even became a landlord.
100$ ph. Some shifts 16h, some 24
Even if the shifts were available, it's not sustainable.
