Why are these people outside in their white coats?

[ValeRx]

Also, schools are adding old BLS data to deceive students. Pharmacists need to start sueing the schools. This is fraud

https://www.usj.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Sheet_SOP_Job-2016-01927-FIN-2020.pdf

Has anyone contacted the school to inform them that they have severely outdated information?

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[Gombrich12]

Also, schools are adding old BLS data to deceive students. Pharmacists need to start sueing the schools. This is fraud

https://www.usj.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Sheet_SOP_Job-2016-01927-FIN-2020.pdf

Their webpage is just as bad as that brochure. I've seen this at a few pharmacy schools sites, quoting data from 10-15 years ago is inexcusable.

 

[deleted562805]

Has anyone contacted the school to inform them that they have severely outdated information?

Nope, but someone should. They can’t get away with fraud

 

[gyngyn]

Can you imagine a medical school advertising no MCAT? LoL.

Stanford is doing just that.

 

[deleted562805]

Lol you think any Tom and Harry will get into Stanford? People who get in are cream of the crop regardless of Mcat requirement..

If other schools follow suit, then the quality of health care will go down. As it is the BLS job growth for doctors is 4% even though there is a shortage. Never expected this from medicine. I expected this from pharmacy and law

 

[Chrish]

If other schools follow suit, then the quality of health care will go down. As it is the job growth for doctors is 4% even though there is a shortage.

It’s just temporary due to Covid related exam interruptions..

 

[deleted562805]

It’s just temporary due to Covid related exam interruptions..

They could have extended the deadline like other schools

 

[Chrish]

They could have extended the deadline like other schools

Nope. Med schools aren’t that desperate yet. They are getting more than enough qualified applicants.

 

[deleted562805]

Nope. Med schools aren’t that desperate yet. They are getting more than enough qualified applicants.

By other schools, I mean other medical school are extending MCAT testing deadlines temporarily due to COVID

 

[Brewsterj]

I suppose I'll bump this old thread up.

As a student at Gatton, I would like to provide some clarification on some of the things said here.

The college campus is located on the Mountain Home VA campus in Johnson City, TN.- Mountain Home being federal land and technically *not* in Johnson City. A lot of visitors and students enjoy the scenery of the campus. The photo shown above is from one of the fields with a view of Buffalo Mountain in the background.

Yes, Gatton is a new school (first class '10). It was the second college founded in the state of TN...now there are 6. Pharmacy as a whole is trending toward a lesser number of applications which requires more promotional material. I think as a profession we are experiencing a situation in which students who, despite being qualified on paper, fall a little short of the comprehensive capabilities necessary for a successful pharmacist (namely communication competency and confidence).

Our NAPLEX/MPJE rates are comparable to other schools of our size. We have fluctuations up and down each year. Last year's residency match rate (as a %) was the highest in TN and generally exceeds the national average by ~10%.

I wouldn't say that the college is a diploma mill. There are several nationally recognized faculty who teach at the college. There is a huge emphasis on a family mentality. Unfortunately, since it is a PIRVATE school at a PUBLIC university, funding is always a concern. When the college was founded, the state of TN was not in a place financially to support an additional college. Long story short, they were challenged to fundraise from the community to see about opening a college. They reached the amount and were able to open under a "private" status.

Overall, I think Gatton is a comparable college to any other college of its size and length of establishment. Am I worried about the profession as a whole? Absolutely. I think there are several factors at fault for the current predicament, but I hope it is something we can address as a profession. Unfortunately, I do foresee some colleges of pharmacy closing nationally.

 

[projektreverb]

I suppose I'll bump this old thread up.

As a student at Gatton, I would like to provide some clarification on some of the things said here.

The college campus is located on the Mountain Home VA campus in Johnson City, TN.- Mountain Home being federal land and technically *not* in Johnson City. A lot of visitors and students enjoy the scenery of the campus. The photo shown above is from one of the fields with a view of Buffalo Mountain in the background.

Yes, Gatton is a new school (first class '10). It was the second college founded in the state of TN...now there are 6. Pharmacy as a whole is trending toward a lesser number of applications which requires more promotional material. I think as a profession we are experiencing a situation in which students who, despite being qualified on paper, fall a little short of the comprehensive capabilities necessary for a successful pharmacist (namely communication competency and confidence).

Our NAPLEX/MPJE rates are comparable to other schools of our size. We have fluctuations up and down each year. Last year's residency match rate (as a %) was the highest in TN and generally exceeds the national average by ~10%.

I wouldn't say that the college is a diploma mill. There are several nationally recognized faculty who teach at the college. There is a huge emphasis on a family mentality. Unfortunately, since it is a PIRVATE school at a PUBLIC university, funding is always a concern. When the college was founded, the state of TN was not in a place financially to support an additional college. Long story short, they were challenged to fundraise from the community to see about opening a college. They reached the amount and were able to open under a "private" status.

Overall, I think Gatton is a comparable college to any other college of its size and length of establishment. Am I worried about the profession as a whole? Absolutely. I think there are several factors at fault for the current predicament, but I hope it is something we can address as a profession. Unfortunately, I do foresee some colleges of pharmacy closing nationally.

Do you work for said school? I find it hard to believe that you would join SDN and this be your first post without you working for the school.

 

[Brewsterj]

Do you work for said school? I find it hard to believe that you would join SDN and this be your first post without you working for the school.

I am a student as mentioned in my post. I have browsed the forums before but never registered an account. I serve(d) in a student leadership position for an organization and helped coordinate some of the promotional material for the American Pharmacist Month. I did not have any input on this design but I did on another and wanted to provide some clarification.

 

[Sine Cura]

Comparing Stanford med school waiving MCAT for this one application cycle only (2020-2021) to multiple pharmacy schools not requiring PCAT permanently (most likely).

Yeah totally the same thing.

There are much worse programs than @ ETSU, like your 0-6 diploma mills

Also, it's not like they're admitting 200-300 people per cycle like USC or UoP (not trying to imply USC or UoP are mills but they are $$$$$$$$ expensive. UoP is now over $80,000 a year tuition and "fees")

 

[johnpharm01]

I suppose I'll bump this old thread up.

As a student at Gatton, I would like to provide some clarification on some of the things said here.

The college campus is located on the Mountain Home VA campus in Johnson City, TN.- Mountain Home being federal land and technically *not* in Johnson City. A lot of visitors and students enjoy the scenery of the campus. The photo shown above is from one of the fields with a view of Buffalo Mountain in the background.

Yes, Gatton is a new school (first class '10). It was the second college founded in the state of TN...now there are 6. Pharmacy as a whole is trending toward a lesser number of applications which requires more promotional material. I think as a profession we are experiencing a situation in which students who, despite being qualified on paper, fall a little short of the comprehensive capabilities necessary for a successful pharmacist (namely communication competency and confidence).

Our NAPLEX/MPJE rates are comparable to other schools of our size. We have fluctuations up and down each year. Last year's residency match rate (as a %) was the highest in TN and generally exceeds the national average by ~10%.

I wouldn't say that the college is a diploma mill. There are several nationally recognized faculty who teach at the college. There is a huge emphasis on a family mentality. Unfortunately, since it is a PIRVATE school at a PUBLIC university, funding is always a concern. When the college was founded, the state of TN was not in a place financially to support an additional college. Long story short, they were challenged to fundraise from the community to see about opening a college. They reached the amount and were able to open under a "private" status.

Overall, I think Gatton is a comparable college to any other college of its size and length of establishment. Am I worried about the profession as a whole? Absolutely. I think there are several factors at fault for the current predicament, but I hope it is something we can address as a profession. Unfortunately, I do foresee some colleges of pharmacy closing nationally.

You are an odd bird. When i was in Pharmacy school I struggled to stay awake due to the workload of school and work so my eyes had little time to admire scenery. I also have no great love for my school no dislike either. The part I enjoyed the most were the friends I made.

 

[Brewsterj]

You are an odd bird. When i was in Pharmacy school I struggled to stay awake due to the workload of school and work so my eyes had little time to admire scenery. I also have no great love for my school no dislike either. The part I enjoyed the most were the friends I made.

There is a very nice (and random) gazebo in the middle of that field. I used to sit there after class with a few friends to study. That may make me odd, but there's only so many hours you can rabbit yourself away in the basement of the medical library.

 

[VA77]

OK. Two things here.

1. UofP is up to 80k a year! Fraud and Greed.

2. TN went from 1 school to 6 schools in exactly 6 years. In fact, ETSU(BILL GATTON) opened early and petitioned ACPE to graduate its first class in 3.5 years because demand was so "great". Maybe the reason why all these schools had to go private and rely on other funding was because they weren't needed in the first place!

Schools WILL close unless their Board of Trustees have endless amounts of funding to subsidize them and they don't because they saw pharmacy as a casino with easy money and little regulation.

 

[BidingMyTime]

The pharmacy is inside. Why are they out in a field?

Looks photoshopped to me. Pharmacy applicants are way down, so they are probably trying to appeal to the outdoor types who never would have previously considered applying to pharmacy, by making them think there are lots of alternative careers for pharmacists in the great outdoors.

In all seriousness, can we just call it what it is? If you graduated after like 2014 or so, you are suspect. I'm not saying you are dumb, I'm just saying that you are more likely to be. Getting into school from 2002ish to about 2011 was hard. Like med school hard. For a solid 5 year period, it was easily more difficult to get into pharmacy than dental school.

And I can see it in the interns we have come through. They can't remember **** they "learned" last Spring. I used to just get random drugs as they came up and ask my interns what they do, what receptors they act upon, what side effects you'll see. Back in the day, they were all like walking encyclopedias. Now they can't tell me how freaking metoprolol works. And I'm talking kids in rotations, months away from sitting for the NAPLEX.

I saw one who didn't know furosemide was a diuretic? Say what? I like to think it was just nerves/stress.....but if someone's stress level is that low, how will they ever be able to function as a pharmacist?

I am a student as mentioned in my post. I have browsed the forums before but never registered an account. I serve(d) in a student leadership position for an organization and helped coordinate some of the promotional material for the American Pharmacist Month. I did not have any input on this design but I did on another and wanted to provide some clarification.

Ummm....being a student doesn't you mean you also don't work for the school. Many college kids work for their schools, doing promotional stuff like this.

OK. Two things here.

1. UofP is up to 80k a year! Fraud and Greed.

2. TN went from 1 school to 6 schools in exactly 6 years. In fact, ETSU(BILL GATTON) opened early and petitioned ACPE to graduate its first class in 3.5 years because demand was so "great". Maybe the reason why all these schools had to go private and rely on other funding was because they weren't needed in the first place!

Schools WILL close unless their Board of Trustees have endless amounts of funding to subsidize them and they don't because they saw pharmacy as a casino with easy money and little regulation.

5 new pharmacy schools in 6 years in 1 state is extremely crazy. Talk about super saturation in TN.