Funny quotes from "less informed" premeds

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TheBossDoctor said:
The following conversation took place during move-out weekend when my roommates' parents were visiting.

Roommate 2's parents: Congratulations on graduating. What are your post-graduation plans?
Roommate 1: Well I got accepted to USC medical school, so I'll be starting there in the fall.
Roommate 2's parents: That's nice. Are you preparing to take the MCAT?
Roommate 1: Uh...I already took it. It was required in order to apply for medical schools.
Roommate 2's parents: Really? That's weird. I thought you had to take the MCAT during the first week of medical school so that they can place you in the appropriate level classes.
Roommate 1: Nope. Everyone takes the same classes there. You have to take the MCAT before applying so that schools can judge whether or not to accept you. Once you're accepted, everyone is in the same boat.
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Why are you expecting parents of premeds to be aware of the medical school admission process?

Juan Solo said:
I wouldn't expect most parents to be informed of things like this. Also 6:30 is not bad.
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Not bad enough :naughty:
 
I don't expect parents to know specifics like how scoring works, what AMCAS verification is, how screening works, what secondaries are, etc.

But I figured its common knowledge (at least among parents of college students) to know what stuff like the SAT, MCAT, LSAT, GMAT, GRE, etc are. I even knew about the LSAT and GRE when I was in middle school. FWIW a lot of adults I've talked to at least knew what the MCAT was (they knew it was the thing you had to take before medical school).

On an unrelated note, PCR is finally done. My 4th 11-hour day in the past week. 👎
 
TheBossDoctor said:
I don't expect parents to know specifics like how scoring works, what AMCAS verification is, how screening works, what secondaries are, etc.

But I figured its common knowledge (at least among parents of college students) to know what stuff like the SAT, MCAT, LSAT, GMAT, GRE, etc are. I even knew about the LSAT and GRE when I was in middle school. FWIW a lot of adults I've talked to at least knew what the MCAT was (they knew it was the thing you had to take before medical school).

On an unrelated note, PCR is finally done. My 4th 11-hour day in the past week. 👎
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Meh probably, but I wouldn't expect that to be common knowledge (even though it's good idea).

Oh the problems of basic science research...
 
TheBossDoctor said:
I don't expect parents to know specifics like how scoring works, what AMCAS verification is, how screening works, what secondaries are, etc.

But I figured its common knowledge (at least among parents of college students) to know what stuff like the SAT, MCAT, LSAT, GMAT, GRE, etc are. I even knew about the LSAT and GRE when I was in middle school. FWIW a lot of adults I've talked to at least knew what the MCAT was (they knew it was the thing you had to take before medical school).

On an unrelated note, PCR is finally done. My 4th 11-hour day in the past week. 👎
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It is not common knowledge. Getting gas at the gas station is common knowledge for most people. Applying to graduate school makes up the minority of the American people.
 
Juan Solo said:
It is not common knowledge. Getting gas at the gas station is common knowledge for most people. Applying to graduate school makes up the minority of the American people.
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Anyone else remember that scene from Meet the Parents where de Niro pulls up Ben Stiller's MCAT score and it's like a 42T, but only 97th %ile? They must have consulted an SDNer.
 
BlueLabel said:
Anyone else remember that scene from Meet the Parents where de Niro pulls up Ben Stiller's MCAT score and it's like a 42T, but only 97th %ile? They must have consulted an SDNer.
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That's an excellent memory that you have.
 
BlueLabel said:
Anyone else remember that scene from Meet the Parents where de Niro pulls up Ben Stiller's MCAT score and it's like a 42T, but only 97th %ile? They must have consulted an SDNer.
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Or when Ben Stiller (Greg Focker) says he wanted to become a nurse because it offered more "diversity".... Like excuse me, have you ever heard of FM or EM?
 
TheBossDoctor said:
I don't expect parents to know specifics like how scoring works, what AMCAS verification is, how screening works, what secondaries are, etc.

But I figured its common knowledge (at least among parents of college students) to know what stuff like the SAT, MCAT, LSAT, GMAT, GRE, etc are. I even knew about the LSAT and GRE when I was in middle school. FWIW a lot of adults I've talked to at least knew what the MCAT was (they knew it was the thing you had to take before medical school).

On an unrelated note, PCR is finally done. My 4th 11-hour day in the past week. 👎
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Reminds me of when I was on vacation in Florida. Met some nice people from Nebraska. We were making conversation, ended up talking about what I studied in undergrad and my plans for medicine.

"So what did you get on your MLAPs?"
He was just trying to be nice. His kid was like 8 and I don't blame random people for not knowing :laugh:
 
Catching up with a friend from school...
Me-Talking about how a prof wouldn't excuse me from class for med school interviews so I had to drop it
Him- "Wow, I can't wait to get my first II"
Me-"Ya me either, I am under review at most schools, but no news yet. Have you finished your secondaries?"
Him-"What? No? I will be submitting my app to AMCAS in the next week or two though so that I can still be pretty early"
Me-I didn't have the guts to tell him how slow things are going so I just agreed with him and swiftly changed the subject

I feel so bad for people that aren't paying attention to the timeline.
 
mdpdgirl said:
Is it bad form to quote posts from this thread for this thread? Because ob/gyns are pcps, making this statement rather entertaining.

Briefly because it is old, things that teens and twenty year olds go to pcps for include: std screening, birth control, pap smears, sports physicals, acne, stitches, splinting, depression, adhd, bacterial illnesses, immunizations, to get an abscess drained, headaches, and reassurance.
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I see you purposefully ignored this part of my comment:
mehc012 said:
Cue "speaking of uninformed comments"...and you're right, it is! I completely, 100% am ignorant of the role of PCPs in medical care, as I've never really had one, nor has anyone in my family.
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which makes yours a bit more bad form because, really, I was asking for info, not spreading misinfo or thinking I already knew things.

And yes, sorry, I was using PCP as a stand in for 'Family med' because it was much shorter...worked fine in context.

As for your answers...I would not go to any doc at all for over 1/2 of the things you listed :shrug:
1/4 are things I'd see an OB for if they were relevant, but I f'd up the terminology from sheer laziness, sorry.
The other 1/4 I either mentioned (bacterial illnesses), don't think a PCP would be an ideal option for (stitches), or would probably be passed along (abcess).
Post-childhood immunizations are infrequent unless you're travelling, and a sports physical is just a bureaucratic annoyance more than anything.

I dunno, just didn't seem like much cause for a 'shortage' panic to me...then some people politely pointed out the utility of having a first line manage care, reminders, referrals, and checkups for people with chronic health issues, many medications, etc...

So, no, I still don't really think a family care practitioner is necessary or relevant for a young, healthy person, but I can see how helpful it would be for someone who was unlucky enough to have generally poor health or for older people. And yes, I do think it was a little uncalled for quote me for the thread when I was very careful to make it clear that I actually wanted info and didn't think I already knew everything. Wrong place for me to ask about it? Absolutely, so let's not continue the discussion. Sorry to everyone for derailing this thread again, I know I should've ignored it, but I've had a bad day and am feeling prickly.
 
BlueLabel said:
Anyone else remember that scene from Meet the Parents where de Niro pulls up Ben Stiller's MCAT score and it's like a 42T, but only 97th %ile? They must have consulted an SDNer.
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42T 3.99 what r my chances at nursing school?
 
PreMedRookie said:
Catching up with a friend from school...
Me-Talking about how a prof wouldn't excuse me from class for med school interviews so I had to drop it
Him- "Wow, I can't wait to get my first II"
Me-"Ya me either, I am under review at most schools, but no news yet. Have you finished your secondaries?"
Him-"What? No? I will be submitting my app to AMCAS in the next week or two though so that I can still be pretty early"
Me-I didn't have the guts to tell him how slow things are going so I just agreed with him and swiftly changed the subject

I feel so bad for people that aren't paying attention to the timeline.
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I have a few friends who are shadowing in Thailand because they think it'll give them a leg up. One hasn't even submitted yet. The other, thankfully, is taking a gap year.
 
PreMedRookie said:
Catching up with a friend from school...
Me-Talking about how a prof wouldn't excuse me from class for med school interviews so I had to drop it
Him- "Wow, I can't wait to get my first II"
Me-"Ya me either, I am under review at most schools, but no news yet. Have you finished your secondaries?"
Him-"What? No? I will be submitting my app to AMCAS in the next week or two though so that I can still be pretty early"
Me-I didn't have the guts to tell him how slow things are going so I just agreed with him and swiftly changed the subject

I feel so bad for people that aren't paying attention to the timeline.
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:meanie:
 
I was working the volunteer club table at our school's activity fair. Bunch of potential freshman walking around when this one heavyset Asian lumbers up. We talk and be seems genuinely interested in my club, and he eventually mentions he's premed.

Kid: I'm going to be a surgeon and go to Harvard.

Me: It's good to have high goals for yourself, but it's a lot of work between here and there.

Kid sneers: Nah, not for me. I can get into any medical school I want.

Me (genuinely confused): Why's that?

Kid (sneer gets bigger): My mom's on the admissions committee of X school. She'll just email Harvard and they have to let me in.

Me: ...

Kid continues to tell me how awesome he is and how unlucky I am in the most arrogant of tones.
 
Cambover said:
I was working the volunteer club table at our school's activity fair. Bunch of potential freshman walking around when this one heavyset Asian lumbers up. We talk and be seems genuinely interested in my club, and he eventually mentions he's premed.

Kid: I'm going to be a surgeon and go to Harvard.

Me: It's good to have high goals for yourself, but it's a lot of work between here and there.

Kid sneers: Nah, not for me. I can get into any medical school I want.

Me (genuinely confused): Why's that?

Kid (sneer gets bigger): My mom's on the admissions committee of X school. She'll just email Harvard and they have to let me in.

Me: ...

Kid continues to tell me how awesome he is and how unlucky I am in the most arrogant of tones.
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Sadly enough, that persists even into adulthood. Lots of arrogant pre-health majors indeed.:meanie:
 
Cambover said:
I was working the volunteer club table at our school's activity fair. Bunch of potential freshman walking around when this one heavyset Asian lumbers up. We talk and be seems genuinely interested in my club, and he eventually mentions he's premed.

Kid: I'm going to be a surgeon and go to Harvard.

Me: It's good to have high goals for yourself, but it's a lot of work between here and there.

Kid sneers: Nah, not for me. I can get into any medical school I want.

Me (genuinely confused): Why's that?

Kid (sneer gets bigger): My mom's on the admissions committee of X school. She'll just email Harvard and they have to let me in.

Me: ...

Kid continues to tell me how awesome he is and how unlucky I am in the most arrogant of tones.
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What a tool
 
BlueLabel said:
What a tool
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I had to be nice otherwise admissions would have been mad, but all I kept thinking was, "Can't wait until you take orgo, kid" and "You're not going anywhere if you interview like this."

Scariest part was how easily he switched. He went from genuinely curious in what I was doing to telling me how stupid I was for being a premed within a minute.
 
Cambover said:
I was working the volunteer club table at our school's activity fair. Bunch of potential freshman walking around when this one heavyset Asian lumbers up. We talk and be seems genuinely interested in my club, and he eventually mentions he's premed.

Kid: I'm going to be a surgeon and go to Harvard.

Me: It's good to have high goals for yourself, but it's a lot of work between here and there.

Kid sneers: Nah, not for me. I can get into any medical school I want.

Me (genuinely confused): Why's that?

Kid (sneer gets bigger): My mom's on the admissions committee of X school. She'll just email Harvard and they have to let me in.

Me: ...

Kid continues to tell me how awesome he is and how unlucky I am in the most arrogant of tones.
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Sad part? He may have some credibility for this statement.

People who get into med school off of connections and legacy fly under the radar all the time and nobody ever talks **** about them because we don't know they exist.
 
ChemEngMD said:
Sad part? He may have some credibility for this statement.

People who get into med school off of connections and legacy fly under the radar all the time and nobody ever talks **** about them because we don't know they exist.
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I could see someone getting an interview because of connections, but I have to believe they're not just going to let anyone in. The kid would still have to have some merits to stand upon, albeit probably not as many as an unconnected applicant.
 
Cambover said:
I could see someone getting an interview because of connections, but I have to believe they're not just going to let anyone in. The kid would still have to have some merits to stand upon, albeit probably not as many as an unconnected applicant.
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I certainly hope so...haha...I just think that if we had actual numbers on people who got into schools based upon daddy's/mommy's connections, we'd be surprised how high the number is
 
ChemEngMD said:
I certainly hope so...haha...I just think that if we had actual numbers on people who got into schools based upon daddy's/mommy's connections, we'd be surprised how high the number is
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I have connections - but they're ones I formed myself. They're definitely useful. They can generally get you an interview but can't get you in. At least from what I know. I also talked to another surgeon and he said he had no pull in actually getting the interview but once I had the interview he had tremendous pull. I think it just depends. *shrug*
 
ChemEngMD said:
Sad part? He may have some credibility for this statement.

People who get into med school off of connections and legacy fly under the radar all the time and nobody ever talks **** about them because we don't know they exist.
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Lol. Well then, what a lucky l'nepocron he is.:luck:
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Yeah he'll probably get interviews... That's just how it is, and unlikely to change.

On another note - what was the point of stating his ethnicity in the story? It seemed irrelevant.
 
quechua said:
Yeah he'll probably get interviews... That's just how it is, and unlikely to change.

On another note - what was the point of stating his ethnicity in the story? It seemed irrelevant.
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As did his weight.
 
mehc012 said:
As did his weight.
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I think he was just setting the scene. He didn't ridicule the person for being Asian or overweight. I don't automatically assume any negatives when I hear those descriptions, do you?

Also I believe he stated the guy's race.
 
BlueLabel said:
I think he was just setting the scene. He didn't ridicule the person for being Asian or overweight. I don't automatically assume any negatives when I hear those descriptions, do you?

Also I believe he stated the guy's race.
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No, fair enough...I mostly commented because I found it amusing that they'd get called out for one but not the other! I'm confused on your last sentence, though...isn't that what was pointed out to begin with?
 
mehc012 said:
No, fair enough...I mostly commented because I found it amusing that they'd get called out for one but not the other! I'm confused on your last sentence, though...isn't that what was pointed out to begin with?
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Kind of, just being a little anal. That part was directed at the poster before you.

Ethnicity is not a synonym for race.
 
Say that kid had a 3.3 GPA and 29 MCAT. Even if he did have connections, why would Harvard admit him and lower their stats so much? It seems like it doesn't make sense for them to let in a less than qualified applicant because of "connections".
 
mehc012 said:
As did his weight.
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I think he was just giving a description of the guy for imagery. No need to get touchy.

BioBeaver said:
Say that kid had a 3.3 GPA and 29 MCAT. Even if he did have connections, why would Harvard admit him and lower their stats so much? It seems like it doesn't make sense for them to let in a less than qualified applicant because of "connections".
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+1. Im sure there are plenty of 3.7+/35+ who also get interviews with connections, so his subpar ( if its true) grades or his connections wouldn't help him at all
 
BioBeaver said:
Say that kid had a 3.3 GPA and 29 MCAT. Even if he did have connections, why would Harvard admit him and lower their stats so much? It seems like it doesn't make sense for them to let in a less than qualified applicant because of "connections".
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Will a 3.3 GPA and a 29 MCAT change the average GPA and MCAT for a class of 165?

Nope.

it wouldn't budge the GPA. A 3.8 overall GPA for 165 applicants (((165*3.8)-3.8)+3.3)/165 = 3.797 aka 3.8 lol

Same can be said for the MCAT....it won't lower it more than .05

Verbal: 11.18
Physical Science: 12.39
Biological Science: 12.47

Letting in one or two of these applicants would have little to no effect as long as they let in their normal amount of 4.0s and 38 MCAT
 
BlueLabel said:
Kind of, just being a little anal. That part was directed at the poster before you.

Ethnicity is not a synonym for race.
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Just painting an image. No offense meant. Those were just two identifiers. Probably could have included his red-stripped shirt and jet black combover. You know, I was warming to the guy and trying to sell him my school until he suddenly turned into Mr. Harvard.

I would hope Harvard or any school would go with the more qualified applicant. I am perfectly okay with connections to get someone's foot inside the door, but your record must be able to stand for itself once you're there.
 
ChemEngMD said:
Will a 3.3 GPA and a 29 MCAT change the average GPA and MCAT for a class of 165?

Nope.

it wouldn't budge the GPA. A 3.8 overall GPA for 165 applicants (((165*3.8)-3.8)+3.3)/165 = 3.797 aka 3.8 lol

Same can be said for the MCAT....it won't lower it more than .05

Verbal: 11.18
Physical Science: 12.39
Biological Science: 12.47

Letting in one or two of these applicants would have little to no effect as long as they let in their normal amount of 4.0s and 38 MCAT
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But isn't there a site to see the average, as well as highest and lowest accepted stats? If I'm looking at Harvard Med and see the lowest accepted GPA/MCAT is a 3.3/29, guess what: my opinion of Harvard Med just went down! That's what I think they'd be afraid of.
 
I worked in the development office of my college, and it was whispered that there were a specified number of seats reserved for "well-connected applicants" who otherwise wouldn't be accepted. I asked how they decided who was the most well-connected, and they explained that an applicant's "connectedness" was a euphemism for "size of promised donation upon acceptance" and that promised donations were at least $100,000+ and usually closer to $300,000+. I'd imagine med schools do some of this, too.

Just connections alone, though? Unless you're the dean's kid or the governor's kid, I don't buy it.
 
BioBeaver said:
But isn't there a site to see the average, as well as highest and lowest accepted stats? If I'm looking at Harvard Med and see the lowest accepted GPA/MCAT is a 3.3/29, guess what: my opinion of Harvard Med just went down! That's what I think they'd be afraid of.
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Haha they show 10th percentile to 90th percentile....who knows what those kids below the 10th percentile have 😉 but they exist
 
freakingoutabit said:
I worked in the development office of my college, and it was whispered that there were a specified number of seats reserved for "well-connected applicants" who otherwise wouldn't be accepted. I asked how they decided who was the most well-connected, and they explained that an applicant's "connectedness" was a euphemism for "size of promised donation upon acceptance" and that promised donations were at least $100,000+ and usually closer to $300,000+. I'd imagine med schools do some of this, too.

Just connections alone, though? Unless you're the dean's kid or the governor's kid, I don't buy it.
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http://www.gainesville.com/article/20080410/NEWS/804100319

How about the son of a republican fundraiser who didn't even have to take the MCAT in order to get into the University of Florida School of Medicine in 2008...thanks to the Dean of the school overruling the admissions committee? :naughty:
 
ChemEngMD said:
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20080410/NEWS/804100319

How about the son of a republican fundraiser who didn't even have to take the MCAT in order to get into the University of Florida School of Medicine in 2008...thanks to the Dean of the school overruling the admissions committee? :naughty:
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Oh HELL NO. I can't imagine even having the audacity to apply without an MCAT score!

God help that kid when his classmates figure out who he is.
 
freakingoutabit said:
Oh HELL NO. I can't imagine even having the audacity to apply without an MCAT score!

God help that kid when his classmates figure out who he is.
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"According to one search committee member, Mendelsohn did not complete a secondary application through the service that UF requires before admission. Another member characterized it this way: "He never took the MCAT and did not apply through AMCAS by the usual deadline - instead, he applied by special permission, given by Dr. Kone, in February."

UF requires that all materials be submitted by Jan. 15, according to the university's Web site.

"Incomplete files will be canceled from further consideration," the Web site states. "No application materials will be accepted after this date and there are no extensions of the deadline.""


:laugh: It's absolutely ridiculous...and this guy is a resident by now
 
ChemEngMD said:
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:laugh: It's absolutely ridiculous...and this guy is a resident by now
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Woops, didn't look at the date of the article.

I can't believe they didn't make him take the MCAT just as a formality. And what kind of arrogant jackass wants to be a doctor but doesn't bother taking the MCAT or even applying until February? I don't understand this.
 
"What does verified mean?"

I got that twice today.

Edit: Now that I think about it, is that just a term used here or is that the actual terminology?
 
freakingoutabit said:
Woops, didn't look at the date of the article.

I can't believe they didn't make him take the MCAT just as a formality. And what kind of arrogant jackass wants to be a doctor but doesn't bother taking the MCAT or even applying until February? I don't understand this.
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The same kind who walks up to someone at a pre-med student org and claims he will get into medical school based on his mother's connections.

Boom! Brought it right back around haha.
 
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