Unfortunately I don't encounter premeds very often anymore [emoji17] I will be starting a mentoring program with some soon though, so maybe I'll get some new material for you then [emoji6]well tell us a dumb pre-med story then
Unfortunately I don't encounter premeds very often anymore [emoji17] I will be starting a mentoring program with some soon though, so maybe I'll get some new material for you then [emoji6]well tell us a dumb pre-med story then
Oh gosh me too! I'm taking Gen Bio 2 lab with a bunch of freshmen this year. I feel like a bitter old person in this class.
One of my lab partners smeared her fingers all over the sterile agarose culture we were supposed to grow unique bacteria on. I wanted to cry
There is a girl in one of my classes who says she "use to be a premed" like its some sort of badge of honor. She considers herself an expert in reproduction and pregnancy because she once wanted to be an OBGYN.
Not from a premed, but still funny. I told one of my friends I was premed. Her response? "I didn't know we had a med school on campus!"

Pre-med told me that there was no point in starting to think about an MCAT timeline (i.e. when to take the mcat, when to take useful pre-reqs, etc) until Junior year or later because "the MCAT is bound to change again by then."
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There is nothing incompatible with evolution and Aquinas type conception of God (which is what Christian theology is whether Christians know it or not, and they apparently don't), ie a first cause argument. But if you (or "if one denies" I should say) deny scientific facts well I don't think you should even be a doctor.I know people who believe that God or a god created some sort of precursor to those animals and/or bacteria and then they evolved and continue to evolve today. I don't think it's terribly unreasonable.
Though there are people who are completely black and white about it, and it's odd.
There is nothing incompatible with evolution and Acquinas type conception of God (which is what Christian theology is whether Christians know it or not, and they apparently don't), ie a first cause argument. But if you (or "if one denies" I should say) deny scientific facts well I don't think you should even be a doctor.
I knew a premed who was like this and eventually dropped out. You can't study things like DNA and many diseases without that kind of conception. More sad than "funny premed story". It was the only thing stopping her...
There is nothing incompatible with evolution and Acquinas type conception of God (which is what Christian theology is whether Christians know it or not, and they apparently don't), ie a first cause argument. But if you (or "if one denies" I should say) deny scientific facts well I don't think you should even be a doctor.
I knew a premed who was like this and eventually dropped out. You can't study things like DNA and many diseases without that kind of conception. More sad than "funny premed story". It was the only thing stopping her...
Half a semester deep into Orgo Lab, by which time you already know who knows/doesn't know stuff.
Two girls, both always and obviously clueless, were partners for that day and were working in the same hood as I was.
The TA gave a walk through and reminded everyone to keep the bottom layer in the first step.
10mins after
Girl 1: Should we dump the bottom stuff?
Girl 2: I don't know.
Girl 1: Maybe we should dump it?
Girl 2: Yeah.
I was tempted to say something, but I thought it would be unnecessary since they probably would just ask the TA.
NO. They proceeded to dump the bottom layer immediately.
Why would you?!!!
Imagine them going into surgery...![]()
Right, prima movens, I'm familiar.He actually drew a lot of his first cause points from Aristotle, and "Christianized" them, if you will. And I agree with you.
I do find it irritating when evolution is cited with complete certainty as the first cause/origin of life. It is equally irritating when people (mostly Christians) completely disbelieve the whole concept of evolution just because they don't think it's the first cause.
Then post something funny! It isn't rocket surgery.... No, wait, you're right meta-commentary is what will fix the problem. 👍Thread hijacking seems to be the norm for this thread now.
Right, prima movens, I'm familiar.
. No one is saying evolution is the origin of the physical universe, the "first cause", just the origin of species (wink). Why do you need this "plant god" who created a single-celled plant which we then all evolved from? Doesn't that seem silly? I mean I could be totally misconstruing your position or the one you're representing at least, and do elaborate if so, but I have seem a similar argument to reconcile fundamentalist christianity and the preponderance of evidence for evolution that involves saying god created a set of protocreatures that look like prototypes of animals, but these protocreatures would need to be protozoans and that just seems like an absurd belief to me
Hm alright then. I would say that is certainly a misrepresentation of what Darwin set out to say, that is, what is even in the scope of evolutionary biology. However, there is a complicated though tangential issue of whether an ideology defines its subscribers or if subscribers define an ideology (of course the intuition is ideologies should define their adherents, but to push back, do we, for example, typically get graded on what we ought to do, or what we actually did). I guess no one who veritably represents the science of evolution is saying it. If you have to go to such lengths to preserve you're original hypothesis/beliefs, and abandon the most logical conclusions, you might ask why, as a psychological being, you might be compelled to do this.But they have, at least in my experience. I was taught this in high school. Ace Khalifa made this point way back when this discussion originated. To be fair, I wasn't very clear about my position back there,but my point stands. This is what I originally was arguing against.
As to your later point, I really don't know where it would be reasonable to say that creation/causation had stopped and evolution had begun. I'm frankly not knowledgeable enough. The farther back we go into evolution, the harder it is to say things with utmost certainty, so it's something I personally am still learning/thinking about.
But yeah, I was mostly pointing out what you said in bold.
Hm alright then. I would say that is certainly a misrepresentation of what Darwin set out to say, that is, what is even in the scope of evolutionary biology. If you have to go to such lengths to preserve you're original hypothesis/beliefs, and abandon the most logical conclusions, you might ask why, as a psychological being, you might be compelled to do this.
However, there are fields of science that do undermine a "creation god" (which is where other people might be more grounded in these assertions). For instance, Hawkings says that time and space came into being at the big bang, so it is an invalid question to ask what created it, what is the first cause. I personally don't think this solves anything, because now you have something that created itself (nothing created it, it's the prima movens) and is all-powerful (in that laws of physics are inviolate), so to me, Hawkings just described what we typically attribute to God, without using the word. I'm showing my colors but to end on something neutral, for me, this just confirms to me why philosophy is important--because it can answer questions that empiricism doesn't aim to.
well not you, but if "one" goes to such lengths etc, and you seem to be representing (not necessarily endorsing) the position of that evolution only goes so far back before there was a creation of a Noahs arc of prototypical life which is just so superfluous and ad hoc and a good candidate for ockham's razor. Everything is well and good until americans start incorporating it into public policy.I'm not sure if you meant me personally, but I don't feel like I've gone to great lengths or abandoned any logical conclusions, I've merely explained my point and admitted that I don't know all the answers. The only argument I claim to make is the first cause one. I may have misunderstood you though 🙄
Speaking of Darwin, in the last sentence of Origin of Species, "There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved." I don't really have any comments on that, just an interesting point.
And yes, that is the reason I love philosophy. Philosophy and science is such a great combo to study and it's enjoyable to talk to someone who appreciates both.😉
Ok, we can leave it at that. I disagree that the prototypical life/original ancestor theory is as ridiculous as you make it out to be, but I think we've both presented our sides fully enough. The Darwin quote was to point out that it was actually something he agreed with.well not you, but if "one" goes to such lengths etc, and you seem to be representing (not necessarily endorsing) the position of that evolution only goes so far back before there was a creation of a Noahs arc of prototypical life which is just so superfluous and ad hoc and a good candidate for ockham's razor. Everything is well and good until americans start incorporating it into public policy.
I'm not sure why you quoted that either but it does capture a few points: Darwin was going out to study the world of Gods creation and funded by the church; the church recently publicly apologized to Darwin (a symbolic gesture); Darwin rarely used the world evolve, except for towards the end. His thing was "natural selection"; he endorses an original ancestor (not a noahs arc of fully formed protoanimals that we diverged from), maybe open to the idea of independent originations (rightfully so as we get closer to replicating original conditions and making primordial biomolecules and as we explore that life might have originated independently on other planets).
And yeah regarding the cosmological argument, if you read again, where I was "showing my colors", I think even when you are attacking a first cause position like Hawkings did, you end up describing the very qualities of God but instead call it the universe.
This isn't a quote but more of an "annoying thing premeds do."
I hate how whenever I'm in a class for the first time and if the professor says something like "tell me a FUN FACT about yourself," 80% of premeds turn it into bragging about some volunteer/research experience like they are in the middle of a med school interview!
Seriously, nobody cares (at least I don't) and you sound like a tool -_- Everything is a competition to premeds sometimes, please staaaahhhhppp!

Right, prima movens, I'm familiar.
But why (to the bolded) though? There are few things in science known with more certainty and evidence than evolution (lets avoid the epistemology of empiricism conversation if we can). There are records that predate predate heterotrophs, so if god did create some set of creatures that only after evolved they would have been autotrophs/plants. That just seems so unnecessary and ad hoc. I'm totally fine with a conception of creationist god we he poked a tiny spot that set forth the conditions of the universe, because frankly that seems "meta-empical" to me (though not to Hawkings for example), i.e., is a philosophical not scientific one. (I've heard it descibrided as crumpling up a piece of paper so that when it unfolded you get the signature speckled egg background radiation instead of an isotropic universe). No one is saying evolution is the origin of the physical universe, the "first cause", just the origin of species (wink). Why do you need this "plant god" who created a single-celled plant which we then all evolved from? Doesn't that seem silly? I mean I could be totally misconstruing your position or the one you're representing at least, and do elaborate if so, but I have seem a similar argument to reconcile fundamentalist christianity and the preponderance of evidence for evolution that involves saying god created a set of protocreatures that look like prototypes of animals, but these protocreatures would need to be protozoans and that just seems like an absurd belief to me
Hm alright then. I would say that is certainly a misrepresentation of what Darwin set out to say, that is, what is even in the scope of evolutionary biology. However, there is a complicated though tangential issue of whether an ideology defines its subscribers or if subscribers define an ideology (of course the intuition is ideologies should define their adherents, but to push back, do we, for example, typically get graded on what we ought to do, or what we actually did). I guess no one who veritably represents the science of evolution is saying it. If you have to go to such lengths to preserve you're original hypothesis/beliefs, and abandon the most logical conclusions, you might ask why, as a psychological being, you might be compelled to do this.
However, there are fields of science that do undermine a "creation god" (which is where other people might be more grounded in these assertions). For instance, Hawkings says that time and space came into being at the big bang, so it is an invalid question to ask what created it, what is the first cause. I personally don't think this solves anything, because now you have something that created itself (nothing created it, it's the prima movens) and is all-powerful (in that laws of physics are inviolate), so to me, Hawkings just described what we typically attribute to God, without using the word. I'm showing my colors but to end on something neutral, for me, this just confirms to me why philosophy is important--because it can answer questions that empiricism doesn't aim to.
I'm not sure if you meant me personally, but I don't feel like I've gone to great lengths or abandoned any logical conclusions, I've merely explained my point and admitted that I don't know all the answers. The only argument I claim to make is the first cause one. I may have misunderstood you though 🙄
Speaking of Darwin, in the last sentence of Origin of Species, "There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved." I don't really have any comments on that, just an interesting point.
And yes, that is the reason I love philosophy. Philosophy and science is such a great combo to study and it's enjoyable to talk to someone who appreciates both.😉
well not you, but if "one" goes to such lengths etc, and you seem to be representing (not necessarily endorsing) the position of that evolution only goes so far back before there was a creation of a Noahs arc of prototypical life which is just so superfluous and ad hoc and a good candidate for ockham's razor. Everything is well and good until americans start incorporating it into public policy.
I'm not sure why you quoted that either but it does capture a few points: Darwin was going out to study the world of Gods creation and funded by the church; the church recently publicly apologized to Darwin (a symbolic gesture); Darwin rarely used the world evolve, except for towards the end. His thing was "natural selection"; he endorses an original ancestor (not a noahs arc of fully formed protoanimals that we diverged from), maybe open to the idea of independent originations (rightfully so as we get closer to replicating original conditions and making primordial biomolecules and as we explore that life might have originated independently on other planets).
And yeah regarding the cosmological argument, if you read again, where I was "showing my colors", I think even when you are attacking a first cause position like Hawkings did, you end up describing the very qualities of God but instead call it the universe.
I hate how we still have to come up with a "fun fact" in every effing class, even as juniors! No one really cares
This might come as a surprise to you, but by the nature of online forums, anybody could post pre-med stories at any time. I'm sure you need some time to let that sink in considering how complex a thought that must be for you. Me and pusheen had our exchange, we both valued it and said what we wanted to say, anybody could have posted a funny story at any time. Instead, you post dickhead comments like this only prolonging what you claim to dislike. Well done.Nobody cares about what is bolded in these quotes.
More premed stories plz
Just kidding around. No need to be so serious.This might come as a surprise to you, but by the nature of online forums, anybody could post pre-med stories at any time. I'm sure you need some time to let that sink in considering how complex a thought that must be for you. Me and pusheen had our exchange, we both valued it and said what we wanted to say, anybody could have posted a funny story at any time. Instead, you post dickhead comments like this only prolonging what you claim to dislike. Well done.
We dropped it, why can't you?
Have any of you guys been at an osteopathic interview and the person giving the presentation about the school asks if any of us don't know what osteopathic medicine or OMM is? I always get so nervous that someone is gonna raise their hand... Thank goodness it hasn't happened before
I've had a few interviewees not know who AT Still was.
I have several friends who were applying this year and didn't know certain MD schools. If I applied to or received a II at a certain school I would be asked by them whether it was an MD or DO school...😱How is it possible that one can apply to and interview at a DO school but not know who AT Still is? You'd think one would research the field. lol
I have several friends who were applying this year and didn't know certain MD schools. If I applied to or received a II at a certain school I would be asked by them whether it was an MD or DO school...😱
I have several friends who were applying this year and didn't know certain MD schools. If I applied to or received a II at a certain school I would be asked by them whether it was an MD or DO school...😱
I applied both MD and DO and HEAVILY did research on where I was applying. I guess that most people don't look into schools as much as I did. I'm giving too much credit, apologies.This is a problem? There are plenty of schools I wouldn't be able to identify as MD or DO.
<-- Silly premed?
I also don't really know who AT Still is.
Half a semester deep into Orgo Lab, by which time you already know who knows/doesn't know stuff.
Two girls, both always and obviously clueless, were partners for that day and were working in the same hood as I was.
The TA gave a walk through and reminded everyone to keep the bottom layer in the first step.
10mins after
Girl 1: Should we dump the bottom stuff?
Girl 2: I don't know.
Girl 1: Maybe we should dump it?
Girl 2: Yeah.
I was tempted to say something, but I thought it would be unnecessary since they probably would just ask the TA.
NO. They proceeded to dump the bottom layer immediately.
Why would you?!!!
Imagine them going into surgery...![]()
I taught orgo labs for 3 semesters and you have no idea how often this happens... Then they're graded by yield and get pissed off because their grades were bad!!!
Yeah, that was weird to me, as someone who was never a typical pre-med. At the interview, I had to scramble to think of a "fun fact" about myself. I then felt like a bragging douche when I was asked the same question another four times in the same interview day, with only a slight change in audience. It was like every time a new person walked in, they wanted us to all introduce ourselves and give a "fun fact". At the end I was trying to downplay my fun fact to not seem like an a-hole.
As an EMT and a CPR Instructor, this is my face right now.Not a pre-med but still good: Got dispatched to a local whataburger for a CPR in progress. Update enroute that the patient is still unconscious and not breathing per bystanders. We arrive on scene and I grab the jump kit and go inside, I see the crowd by the counter and start gently pushing my way through, I look down to see someone pushing on this guys stomach while he is saying "Ow, Ouch, Please stop, that hurts" I pull the hero off the patient and tell him its ok to stop. I kneel to start talking to the guy on the ground when mr hero grabs me by the shoulder and shouts directly into my ear "WHAT ARE YOU DOING, HE NEEDS CPR, YOU ARE GOING TO KILL HIM" and the crowd seems to be agreeing with this guy, I calmly inform him that the patient is talking and most certainly does not need cpr and for him to back off so I can work. He goes to push me aside when my 6' 2" 250lb (Think meat head) partner grabs him by the shoulders and physically removes him from the area by carrying him on his shoulder. The crowd quickly dispersed after that and I could actually take care of my patient. He looks at me and says all that happened was he fell and this guy comes flying over a table and starts pushing on his belly while he kept trying to push him off. Mr Hero claimed he was a lifeguard and knew exactly what to do.....

There are 141 MD schools in the country. Even if I researched 60 schools and applied to 30, I still wouldn't know the majority of schools, not to mention the other 30 DO schools that exist. I really don't know why one would be surprised in the least. Unless I've heard of the school, or the school's acronym ends with "COM", I probably wouldn't know for certain either.I applied both MD and DO and HEAVILY did research on where I was applying. I guess that most people don't look into schools as much as I did. I'm giving too much credit, apologies.
People like this do NOT go to med school!
I taught orgo labs for 3 semesters and you have no idea how often this happens... Then they're graded by yield and get pissed off because their grades were bad!!!
As an EMT and a CPR Instructor, this is my face right now.![]()