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IgD said:
How is that a system failure? To me that falls on the provider. If you order a lab and then ignore the electronic result it is negligence. If a PSA comes back at 16 it shows up as a critical result.

Does CHCS or Ahlta generate a letter to send to the patient? In your hospital do you ever have residents rotate on and off service to the local University or the regional children's hospital?

Does your hospital have a way to advance book an appointment in 3 or 6 mos? Wilford Hall and David Grant didn't. If you had cancer the onus was on you to follow up... in the civilian side, the appt can be booked a year in advance and people proactively remind the patient to come in.

One thing the military is definitely not.... proactive.

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former military said:
Does CHCS or Ahlta generate a letter to send to the patient? In your hospital do you ever have residents rotate on and off service to the local University or the regional children's hospital?

Does your hospital have a way to advance book an appointment in 3 or 6 mos? Wilford Hall and David Grant didn't. If you had cancer the onus was on you to follow up... in the civilian side, the appt can be booked a year in advance and people proactively remind the patient to come in.

One thing the military is definitely not.... proactive.


thats because it is not "their patient, their medical liscense" on the line. "They" do not see the patient face to face. To them we are all just a number, just a metric on the Surgeon General's table top computer screen.

They have no reason to want to be proactive. :oops:

Now the civilian world CEOs etc may not be alot different, but there is one important difference....the doctors have some authority and ability to motivate CEOs to want to create a climate that is reasonably good for both staff and patients. In the military, this is completly lacking. The balance of power is completly one sided, on the side of admin personal/leadership with different priorities. People that may never step foot in the clinic have the full authority of docs and how clinics are manned, equiped etc.

The current sad state of military medicine is the natural expected outcome of such a poorly designed/manned, executed plan for healthcare. It should surprise no one. :oops:
 
IgD said:
Why would anyone do two consecutive GMO tours? Of course I'm a physician and have been deployed. Maybe someday I'll post a whole lot more on here. Until then I'm giving 115% until my contract runs out.


I am doing 2 consecutive GMO tours because I recognized that the Navy was not for me early in my first tour, and am getting out as soon as possible.

Care to give any information about your deployments? Shipboard,
EMF, MEU, DMO, FS GMO vs specialty trained, it does make a difference.

i want out.
 
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USAFdoc said:
3) Your friend found redflags in over half the cases....nice healthcare system. When I did an audit of CHCS labs, I found signif missed labs in 100% of patients over the age of 45. :(

The red flags were people misrepresenting their medical history to get overseas clearance!
 
former military said:
Does CHCS or Ahlta generate a letter to send to the patient? In your hospital do you ever have residents rotate on and off service to the local University or the regional children's hospital?

Does your hospital have a way to advance book an appointment in 3 or 6 mos? Wilford Hall and David Grant didn't. If you had cancer the onus was on you to follow up... in the civilian side, the appt can be booked a year in advance and people proactively remind the patient to come in.

One thing the military is definitely not.... proactive.

I've never seen CHCS or AHLTA mail letters to a patient. On the other hand, I was always taught if you have a patient with a critical lab result you need to discuss it with them face to face.

You can book an appointment months in advance but that requires us physicians to have the templates done that far. When I was at Portsmouth, our clinic had templates 2 months in advance.

"Proactive" isn't exactly the right word. Some times like military is like a 100' tall person who can't see his feet. Us physicians are down at the feet doing all the work and it is impossible to get a message up to the top.
 
i want out said:
I am doing 2 consecutive GMO tours because I recognized that the Navy was not for me early in my first tour, and am getting out as soon as possible.

Care to give any information about your deployments? Shipboard,
EMF, MEU, DMO, FS GMO vs specialty trained, it does make a difference.

i want out.

Shipboard + FMF and specialty trained.
 
IgD said:
I've never seen CHCS or AHLTA mail letters to a patient. On the other hand, I was always taught if you have a patient with a critical lab result you need to discuss it with them face to face.

You can book an appointment months in advance but that requires us physicians to have the templates done that far. When I was at Portsmouth, our clinic had templates 2 months in advance.

"Proactive" isn't exactly the right word. Some times like military is like a 100' tall person who can't see his feet. Us physicians are down at the feet doing all the work and it is impossible to get a message up to the top.


the message made it to "the top" while I was active duty. The top chose to ignore the message, or at least act like they were ignoring it. :smuggrin:
 
Two memo's below; the first talking about the $$$$ of AHLTA and the second about the fact that Congress wants to delete either the VA or AHLTA. Potentially Billions wasted! :eek:

http://www.govhealthit.com/article94589-05-19-06-Web

IG: DOD e-health project high risk

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DOD's e-health record system to be ready in a year [GovHealthIT.com, January 30, 2006] :sleep:

CHCS II is dead; long live AHLTA! :love: [GovHealthIT.com, Nivember 21, 2005]

DOD's medical transformation [Federal Computer Week, February 20, 2005]

DOD IG Report on AHLTA [DOD IG]

BY Bob Brewin
Published on May 19, 2006

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The Defense Department’s $5 billion electronic health record (EHR) system projects remains a high-risk project because of the complex task of integrating commercial software, according to a report released May 18 by DOD's inspector general.


The Armed Forces Health Longitudinal Technology Application is intended for use at 70 hospitals and 411 clinics currently serving 9.2 million beneficiaries. The DOD IG report said the decision to fully deploy AHLTA was delayed by four years because of problems in 2004 with a patient database and a dental application, which led the Navy and Air Force to halt system deployment in 2004 until performance issues were resolved.


The halt that increased the estimated program cost for AHLTA to $5 billion from $4 billion due a three-year extension of the system’s life cycle, the report said. :smuggrin:


The Military Health System now faces new challenges in integrating commercial software into AHLTA, including inpatient charting, laboratory, pathology and radiology systems, which have not even been selected, the report said.


Current commercial software used in AHLTA includes a clinical data repository, a health care data dictionary and an enterprise master person index from 3M Health Information Systems.


The AHLTA patient data repository runs on an Oracle database with BEA Tuxedo software used for online transaction processing. The Integic division of Northrop Grumman is the overall AHLTA systems integrator.


The DOD IG report states that making all these parts work together – as well as the yet-to-be selected systems – is more challenging than developing a system from scratch. "A program management office must not assume the commercial product will be integrated with minimal effort,” according to the report.


Risk management reports prepared by the Military Health System Clinical Information Technology Program Office (CITPO) and appended to the DOD IG report showed that the AHLTA program office might have understated commercial integration costs. :idea:


Another CITPO risk management report showed that adding commercial upgrades to AHLTA also posed an integration challenge and if not done in a timely manner could degrade functionality, increase security vulnerability and risk interoperability with other AHLTA commercial products.


The AHLTA program office and the Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs (ASDHA) and CITPO provided it with conflicting risk assessments, the DOD IG said. The AHLTA program office identified commercial integration as a medium risk, while CITPO reports put commercial integration in the high-risk category.


ASDHA, in its response to the DOD IG report agreed to assign a high-risk value to integration of the inpatient charting, laboratory, pathology and radiation system software -- which has yet to be selected -- and to develop mitigation strategies for integration.

Congress is getting ready to ask the Department of Veterans Affairs and the Defense Department to use one electronic health records system. The House and Senate have both adopted similar language in appropriations bills in which they urge VA and the DoD to use a common electronic health records system. Differences in the bills would have to be resolved later this year. :eek:

http://www.military.com/MilitaryReport/0,12914,109833,00.html
 
USAFdoc said:
The halt that increased the estimated program cost for AHLTA to $5 billion from $4 billion due a three-year extension of the system’s life cycle, the report said. QUOTE]

$4 billion would have gone along way to properly man our clincs. Why didn't the USAF just adopt the VA system? :idea:
 
I can very well understand how it can be a sad circus, but how bad lifestyle could it be?
Isn't the work load easier in the military for docs? Also, doesn't the overseas deployments offer a plethora of hot foreign chicks that only millionares in the states could get? What gives? Why do military docs really hate their job?
 
prlester said:
I can very well understand how it can be a sad circus, but how bad lifestyle could it be?
Isn't the work load easier in the military for docs? Also, doesn't the overseas deployments offer a plethora of hot foreign chicks that only millionares in the states could get? What gives? Why do military docs really hate their job?


Theres only one way for you to find out...

Join up and see the world.

I presume from the tone of your post, that you are being sarcastic, especially in the context of this thread. If this presumption is correct, then you may also read my reply as sarcasm.

If however your not being sarcastic, then take my post seriously, and find the nearest recruiter. You obviously have enough of a pulse to type, so you can probably get into some branch of the military.

Come on out and join us and see how soon your posting back with your first hand experience.

i want out
 
militarymd said:
Navysurgeon, rudy, xmmd, mitchconnie.....plus usafdoc....hmmmm that's 4 right there.....hmmmm, I mean 5.


Perhaps....but the minority with EXPERIENCE!!

Indeed. As a board-certified anesthesiologist ex-LtCol in the USAF
Medical Corps(e), I would like to point out the following:

1) The problems with military medicine are tri-service (quad-service, if you
include PHS).

2) The problems with military medicine are systemic; it has taken 16 years to destroy the Medical Corps I joined in 1990; it will take another 16 to put it right.

3) To the person in the thread above who speculated that only primary care in the military was hosed: think again.

R. Carlton Jones, M.D.
Ex-LtCol, USAF, MC
Ex-Medical Director of Anesthesia, Travis AFB, CA
Ex-Assistant Chief Anesthesiologist, Andrews AFB, MD

http://www.medicalcorpse.com/
webmaster_AT_medicalcorpse_D0T_com

Nemo Me Impune Lacessit
 
MedicalCorpse said:
Indeed. As a board-certified anesthesiologist ex-LtCol in the USAF
Medical Corps(e), I would like to point out the following:

1) The problems with military medicine are tri-service (quad-service, if you
include PHS).

2) The problems with military medicine are systemic; it has taken 16 years to destroy the Medical Corps I joined in 1990; it will take another 16 to put it right.

3) To the person in the thread above who speculated that only primary care in the military was hosed: think again.

R. Carlton Jones, M.D.
Ex-LtCol, USAF, MC
Ex-Medical Director of Anesthesia, Travis AFB, CA
Ex-Assistant Chief Anesthesiologist, Andrews AFB, MD

http://www.medicalcorpse.com/
webmaster_AT_medicalcorpse_D0T_com

Nemo Me Impune Lacessit

Welcome aboard. I was one of Captain Manalaysay's proteges at Bethesda.
 
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MedicalCorpse said:
Indeed. As a board-certified anesthesiologist ex-LtCol in the USAF
Medical Corps(e), I would like to point out the following:

1) The problems with military medicine are tri-service (quad-service, if you
include PHS).

2) The problems with military medicine are systemic; it has taken 16 years to destroy the Medical Corps I joined in 1990; it will take another 16 to put it right.

3) To the person in the thread above who speculated that only primary care in the military was hosed: think again.

R. Carlton Jones, M.D.
Ex-LtCol, USAF, MC
Ex-Medical Director of Anesthesia, Travis AFB, CA
Ex-Assistant Chief Anesthesiologist, Andrews AFB, MD

http://www.medicalcorpse.com/
webmaster_AT_medicalcorpse_D0T_com

Nemo Me Impune Lacessit



I speculate only Primary Care because that is all that I saw first hand. Now from second hand sources, 90%+ of military medicine is in FAILURE MODE. :thumbdown:

Primary Care could be fixed in much less than 16 years (unless that is how long it takes to find a Surgeon General who truly wants excellence more than a METRIC stating that he might be saving a few $$ for his report to congress. :idea:
 
MedicalCorpse said:
Indeed. As a board-certified anesthesiologist ex-LtCol in the USAF
Medical Corps(e), I would like to point out the following:

1) The problems with military medicine are tri-service (quad-service, if you
include PHS).

2) The problems with military medicine are systemic; it has taken 16 years to destroy the Medical Corps I joined in 1990; it will take another 16 to put it right.

3) To the person in the thread above who speculated that only primary care in the military was hosed: think again.

R. Carlton Jones, M.D.
Ex-LtCol, USAF, MC
Ex-Medical Director of Anesthesia, Travis AFB, CA
Ex-Assistant Chief Anesthesiologist, Andrews AFB, MD

http://www.medicalcorpse.com/
webmaster_AT_medicalcorpse_D0T_com

Nemo Me Impune Lacessit

I can let you know from first hand experience that morale at Travis AFB is at an all time low at this point. We had a physical therapist as our squadron commander and his "wisdom" running a surgical command is a thing of beauty.
 
USAFdoc said:
The only thing that has exited the USAF faster than it's people are the USAF core values from it's leadership.

Sorry about my late arrival to this forum. Most of you guys rock.
USAF Doc hits the nail on the head: any physician who cares, really cares about patient safety, standards of care, and personal integrity and honor will be chewed up and spit out by Air Force "health care" in its current incarnation. Nothing less than a complete overhaul from stem to stern can deflect this juggernaut from plopping into the PortaPotty of history.

Here's my take on the former USAF Chief of Staff's opinions (http://www.af.mil/library/policy/letters/pl2004_03.html#sight) on Character and Air Force Core Values: http://www.medicalcorpse.com/shutup.html

Rock on with the truth, USAFdoc!

--
Rob Jones, M.D.
Ex-LtCol, USAF, MC
Resigned my commission after 19 years total AD
Did not join the reserves
Left with nothing but my honor.
 
militarymd said:
Welcome aboard. I was one of Captain Manalaysay's proteges at Bethesda.

I have links to his story on my site:

http://www.rense.com/politics6/whathap.htm

and

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=18464

People should also read this:

http://www.usmedicine.com/article.cfm?articleID=152&issueID=23

And my humble U.S. Medicine Letter to the Editor:

http://www.usmedicine.com/article.cfm?articleID=1324&issueID=88

CAPT Manalaysay's story should be mandatory reading at USUHS so that the poor schmucks can get prepared to do battle with high ranking RNs who think they can practice medicine without a license:

http://www.medicalcorpse.com/doctorssuggestions.html

Peace Out, and Bravo Zulu for your contributions to spreading the
Word of Truth about the putrescent state of U.S. military medicine.

--
Rob
http://www.medicalcorpse.com
 
former military said:
I can let you know from first hand experience that morale at Travis AFB is at an all time low at this point. We had a physical therapist as our squadron commander and his "wisdom" running a surgical command is a thing of beauty.

Physical therapist? What next, a massage therapist Surgeon General? How about a reiki master MAJCOM Command Surgeon?

O tempora, o *****s!

--
Rob
http://www.medicalcorpse.com
 
MedicalCorpse said:
I have links to his story on my site:

http://www.rense.com/politics6/whathap.htm

and

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=18464

People should also read this:

http://www.usmedicine.com/article.cfm?articleID=152&issueID=23

And my humble U.S. Medicine Letter to the Editor:

http://www.usmedicine.com/article.cfm?articleID=1324&issueID=88

CAPT Manalaysay's story should be mandatory reading at USUHS so that the poor schmucks can get prepared to do battle with high ranking RNs who think they can practice medicine without a license:

http://www.medicalcorpse.com/doctorssuggestions.html

Peace Out, and Bravo Zulu for your contributions to spreading the
Word of Truth about the putrescent state of U.S. military medicine.

--
Rob
http://www.medicalcorpse.com

I wrote that Feb. 2001 US Medicine Letter to the Editor you cite here. I appreciate your support. Thank you.
 
island doc said:
I wrote that Feb. 2001 US Medicine Letter to the Editor you cite here. I appreciate your support. Thank you.

Dude, you are most welcome. Thank *you* for having the courage to voice your concerns in a public forum while you were on active duty. Too bad they fell on deaf ears.

--
Rob
 
i want out said:
Theres only one way for you to find out...

Join up and see the world.

I presume from the tone of your post, that you are being sarcastic, especially in the context of this thread. If this presumption is correct, then you may also read my reply as sarcasm.

If however your not being sarcastic, then take my post seriously, and find the nearest recruiter. You obviously have enough of a pulse to type, so you can probably get into some branch of the military.

Come on out and join us and see how soon your posting back with your first hand experience.

i want out


I was being a little sarcastic. I actually decided to not do this program because of the possibility of not getting a preferred residency.
It's just that the work load is supposed to be less. and yes, i have lived overseas and know what a plus the lifestyle can be. Are doctors too busy, or too burnt out to take advantage of it?
 
prlester said:
I was being a little sarcastic. I actually decided to not do this program because of the possibility of not getting a preferred residency.
It's just that the work load is supposed to be less. and yes, i have lived overseas and know what a plus the lifestyle can be. Are doctors too busy, or too burnt out to take advantage of it?

Congratulations! You have made a very wise choice to avoid military medicine. Someday you will thank us.
 
island doc said:
Congratulations! You have made a very wise choice to avoid military medicine. Someday you will thank us.


Yes, it is as you have just made the decision not to crush your testicles between two large rocks. You will not regret the decision.
 
former military said:
Yes, it is as you have just made the decision not to crush your testicles between two large rocks. You will not regret the decision.

you guys still aren't answering my question. Except for the mideast, any overseas base must be a blast on nights out. If you guys experienced more of that, you might not be so gun ho and getting out.
 
prlester said:
you guys still aren't answering my question. Except for the mideast, any overseas base must be a blast on nights out. If you guys experienced more of that, you might not be so gun ho and getting out.

Try Guantanamo Bay....on call 24/7/12 months.....hmmmmm...I had loads of fun watching tv in my pad with the giant cockroaches who live in Cuba.
 
prlester said:
you guys still aren't answering my question. Except for the mideast, any overseas base must be a blast on nights out. If you guys experienced more of that, you might not be so gun ho and getting out.

You are an f'n ******. I really don't think you get it.
 
prlester said:
you guys still aren't answering my question. Except for the mideast, any overseas base must be a blast on nights out. If you guys experienced more of that, you might not be so gun ho and getting out.

you absolutely need to go military medicine..........you deserve each other.

you will definetely have a blast, although it might leave you with some fecal incontinece. :laugh:

whatever visions you have of military medicine, they are of a time long long ago. That version has been deleted and replaced with the sandlot version of medicine....so get ready to be "sand-blasted". :smuggrin:
 
FYI: HPSP (maybe med students are wising up?)
http://www.usmedicine.com/article.cfm?articleID=1315&issueID=88


June 2006
Medical Recruiting Shortfalls Worry DoD Leaders - Sandra Basu



Navy Surgeon General Vice Adm. Donald Arthur, MC, USN
WASHINGTON-Top Department of Defense (DoD) health care leaders told the Senate Committee on Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense last month that they are experiencing shortfalls in recruiting and retention of medical professionals in the military.

DoD officials said that in FY 2005, the Army filled 77 per cent of its medical corps Health Professions Scholarships Program (HPSP) and 89 per cent of those for its dental corps. The Air Force filled all of its slots for the HPSP, while the Navy filled 56 per cent of its medical corps HPSP slots and 73 per cent of its dental corps HPSP slots. These scholarships are a major source of military accessions for physicians and dentists.

Subcommittee members expressed concern about the challenge of attracting students to the HPSP.

"I am worried when I hear that the Health Professions Scholarship Program, the Army and Navy were unable to fill the slots allocated," said subcommittee chairman Sen. Ted Stevens (R., Ark.).

Navy Surgeon General Vice Adm. Donald C. Arthur, MC, USN, told the subcommittee that the inability to fill slots may be due to the need for more publicity about the benefits of medical service in the military.

"Certainly, there is less interest in military service and a lot of those people coming into medical schools don't know about the Health Professionals Scholarship Program. I think it would behoove us to do a better job of publicizing the scholarship and also a better job of publicizing the kind of experience they get in the military health system," Dr. Arthur told the subcommittee.

Army Surgeon General Lt. Gen. Kevin C. Kiley, MC, USA, said that the impact of falling short now in filling the dental and medical HPSP may not be felt for a another four to seven years. He said that one of the reasons for the difficulty of filling HPSP slots is that there are other scholarships that the HPSP competes with in gaining the attention of students and that people do not always understand the benefits of medical service in the military.

Dr. Kiley and Dr. Arthur said that steps are being taken to publicize the scholarship and more effectively recruit medical professionals. They both said that a step they have taken to strengthen their recruiting efforts is to have physicians recruit physicians and nurses recruit nurses, instead of leaving that task to recruiting professionals. The ability for a medical student to speak with a military physician or a nursing student to speak with a military nurse could be more helpful to a prospective military medical professional.

In addition, they said that they will be sending more physicians to meetings where part of their obligation will be to not only attend the meeting, but to be part of a recruiting booth to talk with medical students and physicians.

Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D., Md.) agreed at the hearing that allowing medical students to speak with military medical professionals was a good idea.

"I think it requires creative outreach. Where you think you are going to be, is who you want to talk to," she said.

Nursing Shortage
All three of the Services experienced nursing shortages in FY 2005. The Air Force was short about 516 nurses. At the end of calendar 2005, the Navy said it had a deficit of 175 Navy nurses. The active component of the Army Nurse Corps was 320 officers short in FY 2005.

Chief of the Army Nurse Corps Maj. Gen. Gale S. Pollock, NC, USA, said at the hearing that the majority of military nursing work in Iraq and Afghanistan is being done by Army nurses. She said that continual rotations for them in combat areas can lead to stress-related issues.

Sen. Stevens wanted to know whether nurses are reluctant to deploy to combat operations. Maj. Gen. Pollock said that what she has heard from Army nurses is that they are willing to go, but the duration of time that they are deployed is wearing them out.

"They are more concerned about the length of time. Each day that the nurses and medics and physicians are serving, they are dealing with an injured soldier or Marine or airman or sailor. They don't have any relief," Maj. Gen. Pollock said, adding that army medical treatment facilities face shortages with civilian nurses, as well.

"In all Army medical treatment facilities, we face significant shortages of civilian nurses, particularly in critical care postoperative, perioperative and OB-GYN nursing," she said.

Maj. Gen. Pollock said that they have found that it helps to have Army nurses assist with recruiting.

"We learned from recruiting that results were much improved when candidates spoke directly with Army nurses. In response, we launched the "Every Nurse is a Recruiter Program." Now all nurses are actively engaged in identifying opportunities to recruit," she said.
 
prlester said:
you guys still aren't answering my question. Except for the mideast, any overseas base must be a blast on nights out. If you guys experienced more of that, you might not be so gun ho and getting out.

When you experience your blast on your night out, better pray that you are sitting on your Kevlar(R) vest, lest the orifice through which you communicate be permanently damaged.

--
R
 
USAFdoc said:
FYI: HPSP (maybe med students are wising up?)
http://www.usmedicine.com/article.cfm?articleID=1315&issueID=88


June 2006
Medical Recruiting Shortfalls Worry DoD Leaders - Sandra Basu



Navy Surgeon General Vice Adm. Donald Arthur, MC, USN
WASHINGTON-Top Department of Defense (DoD) health care leaders told the Senate Committee on Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense last month that they are experiencing shortfalls in recruiting and retention of medical professionals in the military.

DoD officials said that in FY 2005, the Army filled 77 per cent of its medical corps Health Professions Scholarships Program (HPSP) and 89 per cent of those for its dental corps. The Air Force filled all of its slots for the HPSP, while the Navy filled 56 per cent of its medical corps HPSP slots and 73 per cent of its dental corps HPSP slots. These scholarships are a major source of military accessions for physicians and dentists.

Subcommittee members expressed concern about the challenge of attracting students to the HPSP.

"I am worried when I hear that the Health Professions Scholarship Program, the Army and Navy were unable to fill the slots allocated," said subcommittee chairman Sen. Ted Stevens (R., Ark.).

Navy Surgeon General Vice Adm. Donald C. Arthur, MC, USN, told the subcommittee that the inability to fill slots may be due to the need for more publicity about the benefits of medical service in the military.

"Certainly, there is less interest in military service and a lot of those people coming into medical schools don't know about the Health Professionals Scholarship Program. I think it would behoove us to do a better job of publicizing the scholarship and also a better job of publicizing the kind of experience they get in the military health system," Dr. Arthur told the subcommittee.

Army Surgeon General Lt. Gen. Kevin C. Kiley, MC, USA, said that the impact of falling short now in filling the dental and medical HPSP may not be felt for a another four to seven years. He said that one of the reasons for the difficulty of filling HPSP slots is that there are other scholarships that the HPSP competes with in gaining the attention of students and that people do not always understand the benefits of medical service in the military.

Dr. Kiley and Dr. Arthur said that steps are being taken to publicize the scholarship and more effectively recruit medical professionals. They both said that a step they have taken to strengthen their recruiting efforts is to have physicians recruit physicians and nurses recruit nurses, instead of leaving that task to recruiting professionals. The ability for a medical student to speak with a military physician or a nursing student to speak with a military nurse could be more helpful to a prospective military medical professional.

In addition, they said that they will be sending more physicians to meetings where part of their obligation will be to not only attend the meeting, but to be part of a recruiting booth to talk with medical students and physicians.

Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D., Md.) agreed at the hearing that allowing medical students to speak with military medical professionals was a good idea.

"I think it requires creative outreach. Where you think you are going to be, is who you want to talk to," she said.

Nursing Shortage
All three of the Services experienced nursing shortages in FY 2005. The Air Force was short about 516 nurses. At the end of calendar 2005, the Navy said it had a deficit of 175 Navy nurses. The active component of the Army Nurse Corps was 320 officers short in FY 2005.

Chief of the Army Nurse Corps Maj. Gen. Gale S. Pollock, NC, USA, said at the hearing that the majority of military nursing work in Iraq and Afghanistan is being done by Army nurses. She said that continual rotations for them in combat areas can lead to stress-related issues.

Sen. Stevens wanted to know whether nurses are reluctant to deploy to combat operations. Maj. Gen. Pollock said that what she has heard from Army nurses is that they are willing to go, but the duration of time that they are deployed is wearing them out.

"They are more concerned about the length of time. Each day that the nurses and medics and physicians are serving, they are dealing with an injured soldier or Marine or airman or sailor. They don't have any relief," Maj. Gen. Pollock said, adding that army medical treatment facilities face shortages with civilian nurses, as well.

"In all Army medical treatment facilities, we face significant shortages of civilian nurses, particularly in critical care postoperative, perioperative and OB-GYN nursing," she said.

Maj. Gen. Pollock said that they have found that it helps to have Army nurses assist with recruiting.

"We learned from recruiting that results were much improved when candidates spoke directly with Army nurses. In response, we launched the "Every Nurse is a Recruiter Program." Now all nurses are actively engaged in identifying opportunities to recruit," she said.


and how interesting is it that with all the shortages in docs, all you here is about increasing advertising, getting more med school signups etc.

why not do something to keep the docs you already have? I have yet to see mention of that, and "that" would improve the system more than anything and be the true litmus test that the healthcare system is actually improving. :idea:
 
USAFdoc said:
and how interesting is it that with all the shortages in docs, all you here is about increasing advertising, getting more med school signups etc.

why not do something to keep the docs you already have? I have yet to see mention of that, and "that" would improve the system more than anything and be the true litmus test that the healthcare system is actually improving. :idea:

Paucity of quality leadership and vision, repeat the same old process. Try to get more junior people you can disappoint and then lose. Forget about trying for a more meaningful fix that would lead to better retention. Which begs the question, are they even interested in retention anyway? Maybe not.

So I can't feel sorry for a trend that dis-enables the addicted and dysfunctional medical corps. Maybe cold turkey is what they need.
 
Um. Who sees these Military Doctors? Like... army people... or civilians?
 
BeatrixKiddo said:
Um. Who sees these Military Doctors? Like... army people... or civilians?


active duty troops, retirees, family members (wives/husbands) the children of the troops, reservists etc.....


and most of them do NOT get to see a doctor; most doctors have been replaced with PAs right out of PA school (in Primary Care anyways).
 
Heh, like any doc who's not happy in the military is going to lie to other doctors about what a sweet gig it is to get them to come on board. The folks on top must have a really optimistic view of the mood of military physicians right now.
 
Physical therapist? What next, a massage therapist Surgeon General? How about a reiki master MAJCOM Command Surgeon?

O tempora, o *****s!

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Rob
http://www.medicalcorpse.com

The physical therapist got deployed - our new Squadron Commander was a nurse - RN - Yes I guess the LT COl MD's werent qualified enough they had to give it to someone who understands patient care and pressures.. You got it a Nurse :) :laugh:
 
I think the exception I raised was non "mideast" bases. I guess your not burned out, just typical one-dimensional doctors. It really drags me down and makes med school that much more depressing. THe best time I had was in Japan and I met a lot of military there too.
I'm not vouching for hpsp. I turned it down as it sounded too risky, especially this side of school, and I don't especially like U.S. military.
 
I think the exception I raised was non "mideast" bases. I guess your not burned out, just typical one-dimensional doctors. It really drags me down and makes med school that much more depressing. THe best time I had was in Japan and I met a lot of military there too.
I'm not vouching for hpsp. I turned it down as it sounded too risky, especially this side of school, and I don't especially like U.S. military.


Night life may be fun at other bases, but as a PHysician most of us are Older than our 20's and "partying" is not out idea of fun. We have to be responsible for ourselves and usually our families since most of the Docs in here that are already Docs not students are likely older than the "night life" scene. Anyway, even going out with my spouse for a nice dinner would be nice at some of the european bases, but that doesn't change the fact that military medicine is socialized medicine, where no one gets care, the money gets spent on new desks instead of upgrading medical equipment, and Nurses rule ove clinicians. Since you are not in the military I do not expect you to understand. During residency my civilian rotations were great. They treated me with respect and like a doctor not a janitor (yes I empty my own trash cans), a technician ( I have to eneter lab results now into our computer system), a nurse ( with our shortage of PACU Nurses at two different bases We anesthesiologists have been asked to be pacu nurses, or any other thing that does not allow me to do my specialty.
 
We have been called the Department of Preventative surgery, but this kind of allegation is absurd.

In fact, as an insightful anesthesiologist colleague once told me:

"To the surgeons, we're just a trunk monkey. Get out of the trunk, solve the problem (airway, breathing, circulation, etc.), then get yourself back into the trunk."

http://media.trunkmonkey.com/video/suburban/Monkey1-high.mov

It's in my book:
Chapter 10: Who's Your Daddy? The Inappropriate Subjugation of Anesthesiologists by Surgeons (in the Military)

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Rob
http://www.medicalcorpse.com
 
I guess your not burned out, just typical one-dimensional doctors.

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By the way, "Inc." stands for: I am INCredulous that this level of ignorance is consonant with turning on one's computer.

It really drags me down and makes med school that much more depressing.

From my upcoming book: A Fly In the Hand: True, Uncensored Military Medical Quotes, Copyright (C) 2006, R. Carlton Jones, M.D., all rights reserved:

RCJ to surgeon: "Dude, as I tell all incoming physicians, if you skip the preliminary steps of Kübler-Ross' stages and go directly to depression, you'll be way ahead of the ballgame."

If you are not intimately familiar with Kübler-Ross' stages of grief, there is a pretty short differential diagnosis to explain this shocking lacuna in your mental database:

1) You are a junior med student who has yet to study Clinical Psychiatry
2) You are not in the military
3) You are simply lacking in sufficient life experience at your age to grok the concepts without being spoon fed by a textbook.
4) All of the above

THe best time I had was in Japan and I met a lot of military there too.

The best time I had when I was a kid was in Kennywood Park, Pittsburgh, PA, in the 1960s. I especially liked riding the roller coasters (the Thunderbolt especially), and using the spin-art kiosk next to the arcade.

The difference is that, at amusement parks, they don't ask you to pull call, write false OPRs, or commit malpractice on patients in the interest of covering the @sses of commanders who are in Denial (stage 1) of the incapacity of former medical centers to provide quality care to the sickest/youngest patients. That's the critical difference between childhood/medical studenthood and adulthood/physicianhood: Responsibility.

I'm not vouching for hpsp. I turned it down as it sounded too risky, especially this side of school, and I don't especially like U.S. military.

Yes, much too risky to have someone like you in military medicine. Excellent decision (I am sure my colleagues here will second this sentiment). If you don't "like" the U.S. military, perhaps you should move elsewhere. The advantage of Canada, Australia, and New Zealand is that you will not have to learn a foreign language...because learning, it seems, is not really your strong suit.

I personally LOVE the U.S. military. It, however, did not, in the end, love me, or anyone else who spoke out to improve it.

I personally CARE DEEPLY for the well-being of our warfighters, their families, our honored military retirees, and their dependents, all of whom have sacrificed more than you will ever know to keep our country strong and free.

This is why, now, a year after leaving my beloved Air Force after 19 years on active duty, I am still, on a Sunday morning, sitting here with tears in my eyes at my computer, explaining to you, a civilian medical student, why there is a critical difference between grieving at the death of a loved one (U.S. military medicine), and not liking the military in the first place.

Given the opinions you have expressed here, in the presence of true Warriors for the cause of patient safety in the U.S. military (whether active duty, retired, or separated), you may wish to move along to another forum for now, at least. Be sure to return in about a decade, after you have finished internship and residency, and have been staff for a few years, to let us know how "one-dimensional" we doctors were all along.

--
R. Carlton Jones, M.D.
Ex-LtCol, USAF, MC
Board-Certified Anesthesiologist
http://www.medicalcorpse.com
 
another "reckless" event;

while playing "wargames" on our base in the southeast, myself and the flight surgeon (assigned to play as the docs out in the field) raised concerns that a tent with a handfull of medical staff would be insufficient to take care of 500+ troops in full battle gear in 90F temps.

Our concerns , of course, completely dismissed. We were told they wanted to see how we would respond to real heat casulaties if we were undermanned.

sure enough, a couple hours into the "war", a 25 yo comes in taching along at 200-300bpm, shaking and semi-delusional.
By the end of the night our tent is swamped with more real life heat casualites and the Commander is demanding to know why he has to stop the wargames. Later, the real clinic is opened (0200) in the middle of the night and staff called in to man the IV lines.

thankfully nobody dies, but the whole scenario was designed to fail. There was no good reason to risk the health of the soldiers (not to say cancel the games because of the heat, but at least change the rules and alow some better training and hydration to help prevent the heat related injuries.

and there was no way a handful of medics and a tent was going to be able to treat all these troops, and reality proved it wouldn't.

again, for those entering the HPSP pipeline; realize that your priorities and those of your military (non physician) boss will frequently be at odds, although you will still be left holding the bag should any problems arise.
 
another "reckless" event;

while playing "wargames" on our base in the southeast, myself and the flight surgeon (assigned to play as the docs out in the field) raised concerns that a tent with a handfull of medical staff would be insufficient to take care of 500+ troops in full battle gear in 90F temps.

Our concerns , of course, completely dismissed. We were told they wanted to see how we would respond to real heat casulaties if we were undermanned.

sure enough, a couple hours into the "war", a 25 yo comes in taching along at 200-300bpm, shaking and semi-delusional.
By the end of the night our tent is swamped with more real life heat casualites and the Commander is demanding to know why he has to stop the wargames. Later, the real clinic is opened (0200) in the middle of the night and staff called in to man the IV lines.

thankfully nobody dies, but the whole scenario was designed to fail. There was no good reason to risk the health of the soldiers (not to say cancel the games because of the heat, but at least change the rules and alow some better training and hydration to help prevent the heat related injuries.

and there was no way a handful of medics and a tent was going to be able to treat all these troops, and reality proved it wouldn't.

again, for those entering the HPSP pipeline; realize that your priorities and those of your military (non physician) boss will frequently be at odds, although you will still be left holding the bag should any problems arise.

Sounds familiar. A good friend Primary Care type was participating in the Pre HSI PRE deployment inspections where HE/She had to go down to the line and Process all the "pretend" Airman leaving for the "pretend" deployment. This meant reviewing medical records and assertaining "no-go's". THis Doc found a few Airman who really were no-go's who needed to have an MEB started for particular medical conditions that the E3 technician did not find at their PHA (the E3 technician who has no medical training who asks questions and expects honest answers from flyers etc, and has no understanding that a HR of 105 in a 20 y/o athelete is abnormal..).. ANyway my friend made these people "No-go's" and the commander came to Him/Her and asked why are you doing this? We are going to fail the inspection was the jist of the comments... OK the inspection was supposed to see if we were ready to go at a moments notice which some people clearly were not, but it would be OK just to paper push to get the "good Report" then to fix the problems before the inspection or a real last minute deployment. I dont think 40 y/o troops on coumadin need to be in combat, neither did my friend who had to stand up to the commander and his own commander who was with the base commander during the questioning....

I love my troops and families. I dont think the AirForce really wants us to do the right thing for them unless it is convenient for the Air Force, and - here's the rub - If my friend would have "rubber stamped" them and then tomorrow a real last minute deployment happended and these people left, and then had a medical problem who would have been responsible? I doubt the commander would have stood up and said "I told the Capt /Doctor to just stamp the paper dont prosecute him/her"...
 
Sounds familiar. A good friend Primary Care type was participating in the Pre HSI PRE deployment inspections where HE/She had to go down to the line and Process all the "pretend" Airman leaving for the "pretend" deployment. This meant reviewing medical records and assertaining "no-go's". THis Doc found a few Airman who really were no-go's who needed to have an MEB started for particular medical conditions that the E3 technician did not find at their PHA (the E3 technician who has no medical training who asks questions and expects honest answers from flyers etc, and has no understanding that a HR of 105 in a 20 y/o athelete is abnormal..).. ANyway my friend made these people "No-go's" and the commander came to Him/Her and asked why are you doing this? We are going to fail the inspection was the jist of the comments... OK the inspection was supposed to see if we were ready to go at a moments notice which some people clearly were not, but it would be OK just to paper push to get the "good Report" then to fix the problems before the inspection or a real last minute deployment. I dont think 40 y/o troops on coumadin need to be in combat, neither did my friend who had to stand up to the commander and his own commander who was with the base commander during the questioning....

I love my troops and families. I dont think the AirForce really wants us to do the right thing for them unless it is convenient for the Air Force, and - here's the rub - If my friend would have "rubber stamped" them and then tomorrow a real last minute deployment happended and these people left, and then had a medical problem who would have been responsible? I doubt the commander would have stood up and said "I told the Capt /Doctor to just stamp the paper dont prosecute him/her"...


another situation was implimented at the start of "manditory USAF PT".
Every troop and even many civilians needed their "PT form" signed my the doc stating they were clear to begin the PT program. Now thankfully, most of these people were not going to die from PT, but it was the PHYSICIANS that were being asked to "sign on the dotted line"...and many, if not most all, of these forms were signed without the person even being examined.

you may ask why not just examine them; well, when you are taking care of 20,000 troops and retirees, its not like you just have an extra thousand appointments available (esp running on 20% stafffing for months).

just more recklessness, and "anti-Core Values".:thumbdown:
 
I love my troops and families. I dont think the AirForce really wants us to do the right thing for them unless it is convenient for the Air Force, and - here's the rub - If my friend would have "rubber stamped" them and then tomorrow a real last minute deployment happended and these people left, and then had a medical problem who would have been responsible? I doubt the commander would have stood up and said "I told the Capt /Doctor to just stamp the paper dont prosecute him/her"...



Nobody could say it any better than that.................it is not about doing the right thing anymore................which leaves you as the doctor or med student with the choice....are you going to do the right thing, or are you going to stay in the military healthcare system? They really are opposites.:(
 
a few exerps from US Medicine; although these are from back in 2000, the points discussed are right on target and still valid today (and still major reasons why being a primary care doc in todays USAF is a one time deal...you do your payback and count down the days till you leave and start practice as a civilian).

http://www.usmedicine.com/column.cfm?columnID=16&issueID=12

DoD Physician Retention
By Dr. Harold Koenig

The armed services are having increasing difficulty recruiting and retaining officers and enlisted personnel, as illustrated in a recent report highlighting problems the Army is having in keeping its junior officers. The Army leadership has convened a group to study this problem. Last year, for the first time in two decades, the Air Force missed its recruiting goal, and at the halfway point this year sign-ups again threaten to fall short. The Air Force has begun using TV advertising for the first time in its history. Early this year, the Marine Corps thought it was going to miss its re-enlistment goals for the first time in six years. The Corps established new re-enlistment bonuses, and the sergeant major wrote personal letters to all whose enlistments were ending. The Navy made its recruiting goals the past few years only by lowering enlistment standards and now is sending detailers to fleet concentration areas for face-to-face meetings with sailors and spouses to improve retention. What is responsible for these problems? Certainly the sustained good economy is one reason. Unemployment is at near historic lows. Well-paying jobs are available. In a recent interview, Adm. Bill Owens, former Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and now co-chief executive officer and vice-chairman of Teledesic Corp., said, "We'll bring a college graduate into my company at a wage that's higher than what a one-star general earns."

Plethora Of Studies
Two recent issues of U.S. MEDICINE have contained comments about growing concerns regarding physician retention. The Center for Naval Analysis is starting to study the problem. The Army surgeon general, in his final interview before retiring, said he is concerned about physician retention. If the military begins to hemorrhage physicians as it did during the 1980s, several studies probably will be done. While I was serving in the Pentagon's health affairs office, someone did a "study of studies" which showed that health affairs completed a study nearly every working day of the year! Most of these studies wound up in someone's in-basket, where they rested until being moved to a shelf when they were OBE (overcome by events). Each study costs a lot of money, often hundreds of thousands, even millions of dollars.

My Own Report
During my 32-year Navy medical career I heard from a lot of physicians who were leaving military service. Many were doing so for good reason; they had come on active duty to serve an obligation for training, and having completed this with honor and distinction, they were moving on with their career aspirations and family plans. However, I learned that some physicians were leaving because they had at one time contemplated a career in military medicine but were not satisfied or had become disillusioned. They felt that things that were wrong and could be corrected were being ignored. So, I have decided to write my own report about the things that effect physician retention that are within the authority of the individual military services, DoD or Congress to fix. My report may not attract as much attention as the officially sanctioned studies, but it won't cost as much either. I'm going to discuss six areas that I believe affect physicians' decisions about a career in military medicine: income, professional development, working conditions, expectations, adventure and leadership.

Professional Development: Very few physicians enter the military ready to practice independently. Most physicians come on active duty directly from medical school—where future physicians learn that the current medical education paradigm calls for an uninterrupted training continuum through completion of residency training. The armed forces are the last bastion in this country where the training continuum is interrupted and physicians practice without completing a residency. These physicians are commonly referred to as GMOs (general medical officers). There is congressional concern with the continuing use of GMOs by the military. The Army and Air Force have indicated they intend to comply with congressional intent. The Navy wants to continue this practice. Some new physicians fear that if they are put in a GMO assignment they may be held accountable to a standard higher than that to which they have been trained. They are correct. Many times I had to intervene to get a GMO out of trouble with his or her line boss when they had been involved in a medical misadventure. Another problem physicians face when their training continuum is interrupted is getting into a residency in their preferred specialty after completing a GMO tour. There is no guarantee, either in the military or the civilian sector, as there was back in the years of the Berry Plan and the draft. Some physicians are concerned that interruption of the training continuum makes them less competitive for their chosen specialty. There are many anecdotal cases that support this concern.

Working Conditions: Working conditions in MTFs sometimes leave a lot to be desired. Today's new physicians are not afraid of hard work; they wouldn't have made it through medical school if they were. Though DoD has replaced or renovated many of its facilities in recent years, most physicians still do not have adequate workspaces. Doctors in high-volume primary care specialties need three examining rooms to be efficient. Physicians also need adequate numbers of trained and motivated support personnel. Military physicians still do a lot of work that is done by support personnel in efficient civilian medical settings. Equipment in good operating condition is not always available in MTFs. It sometimes takes years to acquire state-of the-shelf technology that could improve care. The MHS (military health system) was once way ahead of the civilian sector in the use of automation in the clinical setting, but the civilian sector is rapidly catching up. With all of these shortcomings that hinder efficient provision of care in the MHS, military physicians still find their productivity being compared to their most efficient civilian peers. This is not right.

Expectations: Unmet expectations influence many physicians' career decisions. By this I mean what they thought they were going to do on active duty compared to what they actually wind up doing. Some physicians come into military medicine because they want to avoid the managed care environment. Then they learn that some senior DoD health care officials characterize military medicine as, "an HMO that goes to war." The last time we went to war was a decade ago, when today's new physicians were in high school. If they wanted to practice "HMO medicine" they could have stayed in the traditional medical training pipeline and gotten a job that would provide a lot more income than they now get in uniform. Military medicine is more than an HMO that goes to war, but many young physicians never see that part of military medicine.
 
a few exerps from US Medicine; although these are from back in 2000, the points discussed are right on target and still valid today (and still major reasons why being a primary care doc in todays USAF is a one time deal...you do your payback and count down the days till you leave and start practice as a civilian).

http://www.usmedicine.com/column.cfm?columnID=16&issueID=12

DoD Physician Retention
By Dr. Harold Koenig

Don't know how I missed this one...link to article placed on MedicalCorps.com index and news pages...thanks!

Of note, in my opinion, around 2000 is when all the chickens of OMG/GME slashing/nursing empowerment/deployments in MOOTW to Haiti, etc., came home to roost. When I arrived at Andrews in 2000, we had 10 anesthesiologists on the books (of whom 8 actually did work); by 9/11, we were down to two functional clinical anesthesiologists (plus one failed civilian accession to the medical corps, plus one non-clinical O-6 who spent more than 200 days/year on TDY/admin duties/watching her kids when the nanny called in sick, etc.).

Now, of course, we find that MOOTW were not the worst things imaginable; hard to believe, but the Aerospace Expeditionary Force model of planned deployments on set schedules never took into account MIW: Missions Involving War.

(For you military newbies reading this forum: MOOTW means Military Operations Other Than War, and is an official acronym [cf.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_operations_other_than_war] ; MIW is one I made up [cf.: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q="Missions+Involving+War"; the fourth link on the list is to my SGH Grievances Memo, Nov 2003])

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R
http://www.medicalcorpse.com
 
By the way, I hope that Dr. Koenig's black eyes were not the result of his being worked over by OGA goons in GITMO as punishment for his hard-hitting, truthful expose regarding six of the major issues threatening the very existence of Active Duty Military Medicine: http://www.usmedicine.com/images/ACF34DA.jpg

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USAFdoc, you left out the two most important paragraphs:

Fair Use Quote from:

http://www.usmedicine.com/column.cfm?columnID=16&issueID=12

DoD Physician Retention
By Dr. Harold Koenig

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Leadership: Young physicians are keen observers of the performance and behavior of senior physicians. The vast majority of senior military physicians are superb mentors, role models and champions of their younger colleagues. Unfortunately, a few are not. A young physician exposed for very long to one of the latter often becomes discouraged, and this can significantly influence the career decision. Some senior physicians successfully navigate a career in military medicine by "playing it safe." Young physicians with good ideas and the desire to try them out become discouraged when risk-averse seniors stop them without reasonable explanations. Some senior physicians view a life of leisure and privilege as an entitlement for their years of service. They are sometimes referred to as ROAD officers, ROAD being an acronym for retired-on-active-duty. The effect their attitude has on a young and highly motivated physician’s career decisions can be profoundly negative. When officers are promoted to senior rank they are cautioned that their personal behavior must be above reproach. Even just the perception of misconduct can result in their being asked to leave the service. It is the perception that matters, and senior officers need to be careful to not become involved in activities that create these perceptions. Occasionally, a senior physician in this predicament chooses instead to defend his or her innocence, despite the perception created. Some even choose to fight their separation on "technicalities." Once an officer achieves the rank of major/lieutenant commander he or she may remain on active duty until attaining 20 years credible service and being eligible to retire. Physicians are accessioned as captains/lieutenants and are promoted within a few years, often while they are still in specialty training. The length of time they can remain on active duty beyond 20 years increases with subsequent promotions. It is difficult to remove a physician who is a colonel/captain involuntarily until he or she has completed thirty years of service. Should such an individual be selected for flag or general officer rank, tack on another five years from the time of promotion. Junior physicians question why senior officers should be allowed to continue to serve, draw higher pay and have privileges bestowed on them because of their rank when their performance and/or personal behavior is less than satisfactory. Senior physicians in such situations block promotion opportunity for physicians junior to them. This fact is not lost on junior physicians, and knowledge of this rapidly spreads throughout the ranks.

Severe Risk
These six core areas—Income, professional development, working conditions, expectations, adventure and leadership—need continued attention if well trained and motivated physicians are going to be retained in the military. If any of these are neglected, the ooze may again become a trickle, then a hemorrhage leading to exsanguination.
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Dr. Koenig very accurately portrays the predicament I found myself in
after 1997:

Pick One Career Move:

A) Shut up, don't make waves, get power, stay for 20, kill patients
B) Speak out, make waves, lose power, leave at 15/19, save patients

Some Lady or Tiger, huh?

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R
http://www.medicalcorpse.com

15/19: I had 15 years toward retirement, thanks to DOPMA, but 19 years on active duty, in uniform, under the UCMJ, including my 4 years at USU
 
ANyway my friend made these people "No-go's" and the commander came to Him/Her and asked why are you doing this? We are going to fail the inspection was the jist of the comments... OK the inspection was supposed to see if we were ready to go at a moments notice which some people clearly were not, but it would be OK just to paper push to get the "good Report" then to fix the problems before the inspection or a real last minute deployment.

One of the senior anesthesiologists in the Air Force and my former attending during residency told me this story about his experience while a Flight Surgeon in Germany during the 1980s:

Major NATO wargame exercise ongoing. General comes in to inspect one of the "buttoned down" bunkers serving as THE primary hospital for the base during a simulated chemical attack. Techs bring in casualty labeled with "nerve gas" into the main treatment area without going through decon. The intelligent and honest Flight Surgeon starts pointing to people: "O.K., you're dead, you're dead, I'm dead, you're twitching on the ground, you're incapacitated..." The General stops him: "Look, Captain, if I lose this medical treatment facility, I lose the exercise. I'm ordering you to reverse this decision, certify all these people fit for duty, and get them back to work."

"Sir, no sir, in my MEDICAL opinion, as the ranking physician in this facility, nearly everyone here has been wiped out due to failure to follow proper DECON procedures. Isn't this what exercises are supposed to highlight: ways we can improve, Sir? I cannot, as a matter of honor, lie about these troops' operational capabilities after they have been killed by simulated nerve gas."

As a result, this future senior anesthesiologist in the entire Air Force was summarily sent to Diego Garcia to think about the value the USAF places on...what was the word...oh, yeah, Integrity.

Although he has since frequently tried to speak out regarding the terrible plight of Air Force anesthesiology, his continued honesty has fallen on the deaf ears of ROAD scholar O-6s and above.

Until 4 December 2001, I never really believed the extent to which the military I loved could be so petty and vindictive, when a physician was only trying to do what was objectively right. After that, I realized how much self-delusion and tunnel vision plays in keeping military physicians ignorant of the rampant injustices occurring around them on a daily basis. My posts here, and my website, represent my feeble and, ultimately, futile attempt to deprogram those who believe that anyone who speaks out to improve military medical care is a "sour grapes", liberal, anti-American whiner and traitor rather than a patriot.

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R
http://www.medicalcorpse.com
 
I love my troops and families. I dont think the AirForce really wants us to do the right thing for them unless it is convenient for the Air Force, and - here's the rub - If my friend would have "rubber stamped" them and then tomorrow a real last minute deployment happended and these people left, and then had a medical problem who would have been responsible? I doubt the commander would have stood up and said "I told the Capt /Doctor to just stamp the paper dont prosecute him/her"...

Here's another one that probably rings a bell:

Quote from A Fly in the Hand: True, Uncensored Military Medical Quotes, Copyright (C) 2006, R. Carlton Jones, M.D., all rights reserved; adapted from: http://www.medicalcorpse.com/fithexcerpt.html
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"Integrity, um…help me out…"

At Anesthesia Flight Meeting, 23 Feb 05, LtCol Flight Commander anesthesiologist noted that hospital was in deep trouble with Wing Commander because two aircraft could not take off on time during recent Mobility Exercise (MOBEX) because people lined up to take part in mock deployment were pulled off the "chalk" for deficiencies noted at the last moment. These people's mobility bags had already been palletized and put on the aircraft, thus necessitating (for some stupid reason) that the bags be de-palletized so the rejected member's bags could be pulled off the plane. I ask what kind of deficiencies were noted: immunizations (which can be given on the flight line), legal papers/powers of attorney (which can be done on the flight line, as the more organized folks at Travis had done during a Mobex I took part in around 1997), etc. Well, it turned out that one of our physicians had an incorrect address on his DD form 93, Record of Emergency Data. When the airman on the flightline during the Mobex asked the Captain physician if that was a current address, he stated, quite honestly, "No", thus causing him to "fail" and get pulled from the Mobex, thus causing the deployment team to fail to reach its quota of deployable humans, resulting in egg on the face of his Commanders from the Group Commander on down.

Dr.C.: "Obviously, he didn't know how things work in the Air Force. He should have just said 'yes'."

RCJ: "Oh, that's right…what was our Air Force Core Value again…Integrity…um… Integrity…"

Dr. C.: "First."

RCJ: "No, last, evidently."

Dr. C.: "But it was AN address, just a past address, so…"

This is an excellent example of how Air Force leaders, such as our Flight Commander, rationalize lack of integrity, day in and day out:
1) it is so much easier than standing up for what is right;
2) most people won't notice, because they don't care about integrity also;
3) and it's better than making your superiors look bad in any case, so go right ahead and lie so some General gets good marks for the Mobex, regardless of the Truth.
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Twenty years later than my prior true anecdote, and nothing...nothing has changed in the military. It still pays more...in rank, power, and prestige...to lie or fail to speak the truth, than it does to stand up with honor to say what is right. The sad part is, we fight the way we are trained. The USAF spent countless thousands of dollars (probably close to a million) to send me to Harvard, USU, and anesthesiology residency to learn how to Do The Right Thing, as an officer, mentor, and anesthesiologist. The USAF then expected me to UN-learn the lessons of 1981-1994 when I hit "the real Air Force" at Travis as staff. I was expected to look the other way when real patients were endangered by bad policies. I was expected and ASKED to sign blank pieces of paper, so the LtCol O.R. Nurse Flight Commander could fiddle with an OPR I wrote for a subordinate while I was in the United Kingdom on vacation. I was tasked to pencil-whip OPRs that were late, just because the actual rater "forgot" to write the OPR, and "forgot" to do a change of rater to make me the person actually responsible...and I was ordered to do this over a weekend while I was on call actually caring for patients in the O.R.

When I got to Andrews, I was ordered to allow an ASA III patient to have his non-emergent pacemaker surgery done on a Saturday in a glorified broom closet on the other side of the hospital, in violation of policy, just because the Squadron Commander surgeon said so. In the end, he overruled the written Operating Instructions regarding temperature and humidity in the O.R. (after browbeating the RN), and committed surgery in an O.R. where water was literally dripping from the ceiling due to adverse environmental conditions.

All these and more will be covered in my books, because, to quote another Jones, I have not yet begun to fight against the cruel, dishonorable injustices I suffered in the USAF, which have permanently soured my outlook on life.

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Rob
http://www.medicalcorpse.com/
 
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