which other dental schools focus on clinicals

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I know U of Iowa. Please, add more schools to the list below:
1- U of Iowa
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1.UOP
2.Temple
3.Arizona
4.Nova
5.UNLV
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Penn
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48.Connecticut
49.Columbia
50.Harvard
 
I've heard that Loma Linda has the most clinical requirements for graduation -so students get more hours and more exposure than any other school.
 
we are VERY focued on work in the clinic here at LSU.
 
Baylor
 
Maryland
 
I know Baylor has one of the highest clinical requirements in the nation (i dont know what exact rank though)

also, at Baylor they make you do your own lab work which is clinic related.
 
dentwannabe said:
I know Baylor has one of the highest clinical requirements in the nation (i dont know what exact rank though)

also, at Baylor they make you do your own lab work which is clinic related.
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Same thing required at Temple. I have always wondered how many requirements each school makes you do...i will see if I can get a hold of a list of the required points needed for Temple graduation. i know 130 extractions are required...but I need to get a list...stay tuned.
 
we have a point and block system at UT so i cant give exact numbers on clinical requirements, but ballpark is as follows:

ortho: show up for blocks to be told how to refer...snooze...
fixed: min of 26 units (pontics dont count) covers point requirement
rmbv: min of 10 arches (combo of RPD & CD), plus repairs and relines to cover point requirements
operative: approx 100 fillings...wierd point totals due to differing values of Cl 1-6, amal vs. comp, instructor preference, etc.
pedo: blocks, approx 50 procedures incl exts, sealants, comp/amal rest, SS crn, prophys
OS: min of 50 exts, but since the point total is the same for 1 tooth or 32 teeth, this number is skewed.
oral dx: blocks, tx plan and radiographs for at least 20 patients...ugh
perio: at least 8 quads of type 2, plus 8 more of type 3/4 not to mention the recalls for all patients in your respective portfolio...we scale some teeth...
endo: min of 12 canals obturated (incl 1 ant, 1 pm, 1 molar)

on top of all this each department has competancy exams, some worse than others. almost all of these numbers are far exceeded save for fixed. getting folks to pay for crowns when you tapped them dry for everything else is hard to do, esp when they thought the school was free to start with....

every bit of the info will probably be outdated by the time i graduate in may, there is talk of the whole clinical portion of our school being overhauled to go along with our super awesome practice management software transition...good times...
 
Oklahoma should be considered
 
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bevzi said:
I know U of Iowa. Please, add more schools to the list below:
1- U of Iowa
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Here's your answer:
EVERY SINGLE DENTAL SCHOOL IN THE COUNTRY.
I don't know where you're getting U of Iowa from. All schools will provide adequate experience overall. There will be a variation between classmates within a school. When you're in school, some of your experience will depend on luck, what your patients need, how compliant they are. It also depends on what you make of it. Spend extra time in the clinic.
 
Going along with what S said, all dental schools will provide adequate experience. If you want to give yourself the best chance to have an amazing clinical experience, you need to go to school where the patients are. That is what makes USC, Temple, Arizona, UOP so great. They have more than enough patients. Going to school in a posh area is nice, but show me somebody that makes good money, lives in a good area, and wants to spend 4 hours at a dental school getting a filling done that a "real" dentist can do in 20 minutes. Go to where the patients are (Temple 😀 ).
 
johntara04 said:
Going along with what S said, all dental schools will provide adequate experience. If you want to give yourself the best chance to have an amazing clinical experience, you need to go to school where the patients are. That is what makes USC, Temple, Arizona, UOP so great. They have more than enough patients. Going to school in a posh area is nice, but show me somebody that makes good money, lives in a good area, and wants to spend 4 hours at a dental school getting a filling done that a "real" dentist can do in 20 minutes. Go to where the patients are (Temple 😀 ).
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You have greatly oversimplified the situation. There is a lot more to consider than location. Even if i were to follow your location reasoning, almost every dental school in the country is located in an area that will draw more than enough patients. UPenn and Temple are situated close enough, so what gives???
The answer is what's way more imporant is how the admin will work with students to provide enough patients and chair space. You and I know getting chairs at Temple can be a pain in the as. There are some schools where students have their own chairs to themselves. Others share a chair per almost 3 students. other question to ask is are procedures such as implants given at a reduced rate, thus bringing in more of these procedures for the students (UConn).
Another thing i was shocked to hear was dent students at Howard have to go around and find their own patients. My co-resident said when she was in school there she had to hang out in the ER and radiology depts to find patients. That's terrible waste of time. Other co-residents told me that patients are provided (assigned) Co-res who went to school at McGill said if you are low in a certain area, they match (assign) that pt. to you. And he never was concerned with lack of patients. He did 5 freakin molar endo's too!! Just some tidbits for you to chew on...

And even still, experiences b/w 2 classmates can be quite different.
 
Marquette because of the off site community health clinic experience. You will do a lot of procedures working at full speed for 8 hrs a day. The same goes for Arizona where 1/2 of your fourth year is spent at a community health clinic working at full speed.
 
check out Creighton
 
bevzi said:
I know U of Iowa. Please, add more schools to the list below:
1- U of Iowa
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First, check out all the schools you are accepted to oor have an interview at. Next, I have heard very very good things about UOP, ARIZONA, TEMPLE from a close friends regarding their clinical education. These were my top 3 if I didn't get into Michgan. I am a Michigan man so I would go to Michigan without asking any questions about school because I love being at Michigan and I did my undergrad here also. Based on what i hear from upper classman clinical education at michigan doesn't seem to be a problem at all and mostly they are satisfied about the kind of education they receieving usually students don't have to worry about chairs so I say give Michigan a look too.
 
MaxAnn said:
All of them.
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What a sweeping statement...such statements are usually false. Get this: at UConn, all you have to do is the following:

operative: clinical exams in the following: class II amalgam, class II composite, class III or IV composite, class V composite, complex amalgam, (before you can challenge the exam, you must do about 5-10 of that type of filling)

fixed pros: 15 units (2 are bonuses for meeting deadlines and, yes, pontics count; implant restoration counts for 3 units!)

removable: 2 arches complete, 2 arches removable

endo: 5 teeth obturated (2 must be molars, 1 must be a pre-molar)

perio: 4 srp clinical exams

os: 10 nitrous experiences, 1 simple exo clinical exam (with 1 simple exo as a pre-req), 1 complex exo clinical exam (with 1 complex exo as a pre-req)

pedo: show up for rotation for 2-3 weeks; must do the following clinical exams: 1 sealant and 1 class II amalgam

ortho: nothing

oral med: 3 one-week rotations where the only clinical interation you get is taking med hx's on pts

Additionally, there are multiple rotations to go on (most where you never see a pt or have limited encounters with pts) and multiple written/verbal exams

Also, our school started an off-site community health rotation (around 15 days)...theoretically, you are suppose to be able to do a lot at those community health centers...we mostly sat around playing cards, reading, studying, watching drug deals go down in the parking lot, and writing referrals and scripts.
 
wow! I agree with thursday...the clinicl experiance at Lincoln nebraska will differ leaps and bounds compared to Temple...etc.

There is the argument...well either way you are a dentist.

Ok, true...but would you rather be the dentist that does 5 crowns and 10 fillings a day or the dentist that does 1 crown and a couple of fillings all day...?

Speed and proficiency should be something to look at also. Marquette and AZ have this down, along with some others. I believe Tempe is starting something along this nature.
 
1992Corolla said:
Speed and proficiency should be something to look at also. Marquette and AZ have this down, along with some others. I believe Tempe is starting something along this nature.
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Old news. Case's had for few years already.
 
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Holy Thursday said:
What a sweeping statement...such statements are usually false. Get this: at UConn, all you have to do is the following:

operative: clinical exams in the following: class II amalgam, class II composite, class III or IV composite, class V composite, complex amalgam, (before you can challenge the exam, you must do about 5-10 of that type of filling)

fixed pros: 15 units (2 are bonuses for meeting deadlines and, yes, pontics count; implant restoration counts for 3 units!)

removable: 2 arches complete, 2 arches removable

endo: 5 teeth obturated (2 must be molars, 1 must be a pre-molar)

perio: 4 srp clinical exams

os: 10 nitrous experiences, 1 simple exo clinical exam (with 1 simple exo as a pre-req), 1 complex exo clinical exam (with 1 complex exo as a pre-req)

pedo: show up for rotation for 2-3 weeks; must do the following clinical exams: 1 sealant and 1 class II amalgam

ortho: nothing

oral med: 3 one-week rotations where the only clinical interation you get is taking med hx's on pts

Additionally, there are multiple rotations to go on (most where you never see a pt or have limited encounters with pts) and multiple written/verbal exams

Also, our school started an off-site community health rotation (around 15 days)...theoretically, you are suppose to be able to do a lot at those community health centers...we mostly sat around playing cards, reading, studying, watching drug deals go down in the parking lot, and writing referrals and scripts.
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The reason I said all of them is due to the fact that most of your learning will take place after you graduate. In reality, dental school just teaches you the basics, but speed and confidence in the clinic will be learned in the real world.
 
Thanks to all of who replied to my post about clinicals. I am considering all suggestions.
 
Requirements for USC...

Diag/Tx Plan
• 25 Oral Diagnosis/Physical Evaluations and full Treatment Plans

Endo
• 6 teeth (one anterior, one bicuspid, one molar) or more receiving root canal treatment (RCT) to include diagnosis, RCT and restoration

Fixed Prosthodontics / Operative
• 1 patient for occlusal splint therapy
• Occlusal analysis and equilibration when necessary
• 2 cast post & cores or 2 preformed dowel post and core build-ups or one of each
• Six restorations of endodontically treated teeth
• A minimum of 20 units of anterior and posterior single indirect restorations in Operative Dentistry – 2000 Code
• A minimum of 10 units in Fixed Prosthodontics (FP), which MUST include at least one traditional Fixed Partial Denture. implants will have one procedure credit for the prep and surgical placement of the implant, AND one procedure credit for the cementation of the final restorations.
• 125 clinical activities involving a wide range of experiences in operative dentistry. Direct and indirect composite resin, amalgam, indirect porcelain and tooth colored non-porcelain, indirect cast and ceramometal. Pit and fissure sealants will NOT be counted towards this 125 procedure requirement.

Oral Surgery
• 25 patient procedures including diagnosis, exodontia, post-operative follow-up, and consultations

Orthodontics
• 1 patient begin and complete (rotation)

Pediatric Dentistry
Students must attend all pediatric dentistry clinical rotations and accomplish 25 completed clinical experiences to include diagnosis, treatment planning, preventive restorative pulpal therapy, and exodontia. (mainly on rotations)

Periodontics9
• Manage and treat 10 periodontal cases.
The student also needs to have a cumulative clinical experience of
• 8 quadrants of periodontal maintenance therapy
• 8 quadrants of prophylaxis (applied to the requirement of prophylaxis outlined in the section “Prevention”)
• 8 quadrants of scaling and root planing with difficulty level 1
• 8 quadrants of scaling and root planing with difficulty level 2
• 4 quadrants of scaling and root planing with difficulty level 3
• Assist in 2 periodontal surgeries

Removable Prosthodontics
• A minimum of nine (9) arches to include
o A minimum of 1 set of opposing maxillary and mandibular complete dentures, i.e. 2 dentures restoring a completely edentulous patient.
o A minimum of 3 removable cast metal removable partial dentures, including a distal extension base
o The total number of complete dentures and cast metal framework partial dentures MUST equal at least 9.
• 2 treatment/interim partial dentures (D5211, D5212), These DO NOT count towards the 9 arch requirement in removeable prosthodontics.
• 15 additional removable prosthodontic procedures to include prosthetic repairs, tissue condition, lab processed relines and/or rebases, interim partial dentures and denture adjustment procedures for a denture the student did not fabricate.

Prevention
• A minimum of 60 total procedures to include the following
• A minimum of 25 pit and fissure sealants
• A minimum of 8 quadrants of adult prophylaxis
• A minimum of 5 child prophylaxis
• Topical fluoride treatments
• A minimum of 1 tobacco cessation intervention
• A minimum of 1 iatrosedation, anxiety intervention
• Nutritional counseling


We also have 25 comp's that we must pass.
 
ShawnOne said:
Requirements for USC...

Diag/Tx Plan
• 25 Oral Diagnosis/Physical Evaluations and full Treatment Plans

Endo
• 6 teeth (one anterior, one bicuspid, one molar) or more receiving root canal treatment (RCT) to include diagnosis, RCT and restoration

Fixed Prosthodontics / Operative
• 1 patient for occlusal splint therapy
• Occlusal analysis and equilibration when necessary
• 2 cast post & cores or 2 preformed dowel post and core build-ups or one of each
• Six restorations of endodontically treated teeth
• A minimum of 20 units of anterior and posterior single indirect restorations in Operative Dentistry – 2000 Code
• A minimum of 10 units in Fixed Prosthodontics (FP), which MUST include at least one traditional Fixed Partial Denture. implants will have one procedure credit for the prep and surgical placement of the implant, AND one procedure credit for the cementation of the final restorations.
• 125 clinical activities involving a wide range of experiences in operative dentistry. Direct and indirect composite resin, amalgam, indirect porcelain and tooth colored non-porcelain, indirect cast and ceramometal. Pit and fissure sealants will NOT be counted towards this 125 procedure requirement.

Oral Surgery
• 25 patient procedures including diagnosis, exodontia, post-operative follow-up, and consultations

Orthodontics
• 1 patient begin and complete (rotation)

Pediatric Dentistry
Students must attend all pediatric dentistry clinical rotations and accomplish 25 completed clinical experiences to include diagnosis, treatment planning, preventive restorative pulpal therapy, and exodontia. (mainly on rotations)

Periodontics9
• Manage and treat 10 periodontal cases.
The student also needs to have a cumulative clinical experience of
• 8 quadrants of periodontal maintenance therapy
• 8 quadrants of prophylaxis (applied to the requirement of prophylaxis outlined in the section “Prevention”)
• 8 quadrants of scaling and root planing with difficulty level 1
• 8 quadrants of scaling and root planing with difficulty level 2
• 4 quadrants of scaling and root planing with difficulty level 3
• Assist in 2 periodontal surgeries

Removable Prosthodontics
• A minimum of nine (9) arches to include
o A minimum of 1 set of opposing maxillary and mandibular complete dentures, i.e. 2 dentures restoring a completely edentulous patient.
o A minimum of 3 removable cast metal removable partial dentures, including a distal extension base
o The total number of complete dentures and cast metal framework partial dentures MUST equal at least 9.
• 2 treatment/interim partial dentures (D5211, D5212), These DO NOT count towards the 9 arch requirement in removeable prosthodontics.
• 15 additional removable prosthodontic procedures to include prosthetic repairs, tissue condition, lab processed relines and/or rebases, interim partial dentures and denture adjustment procedures for a denture the student did not fabricate.

Prevention
• A minimum of 60 total procedures to include the following
• A minimum of 25 pit and fissure sealants
• A minimum of 8 quadrants of adult prophylaxis
• A minimum of 5 child prophylaxis
• Topical fluoride treatments
• A minimum of 1 tobacco cessation intervention
• A minimum of 1 iatrosedation, anxiety intervention
• Nutritional counseling


We also have 25 comp's that we must pass.
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😱 :wow:
 
ShawnOne said:
Requirements for USC...

Diag/Tx Plan
• 25 Oral Diagnosis/Physical Evaluations and full Treatment Plans

Endo
• 6 teeth (one anterior, one bicuspid, one molar) or more receiving root canal treatment (RCT) to include diagnosis, RCT and restoration

Fixed Prosthodontics / Operative
• 1 patient for occlusal splint therapy
• Occlusal analysis and equilibration when necessary
• 2 cast post & cores or 2 preformed dowel post and core build-ups or one of each
• Six restorations of endodontically treated teeth
• A minimum of 20 units of anterior and posterior single indirect restorations in Operative Dentistry – 2000 Code
• A minimum of 10 units in Fixed Prosthodontics (FP), which MUST include at least one traditional Fixed Partial Denture. implants will have one procedure credit for the prep and surgical placement of the implant, AND one procedure credit for the cementation of the final restorations.
• 125 clinical activities involving a wide range of experiences in operative dentistry. Direct and indirect composite resin, amalgam, indirect porcelain and tooth colored non-porcelain, indirect cast and ceramometal. Pit and fissure sealants will NOT be counted towards this 125 procedure requirement.

Oral Surgery
• 25 patient procedures including diagnosis, exodontia, post-operative follow-up, and consultations

Orthodontics
• 1 patient begin and complete (rotation)

Pediatric Dentistry
Students must attend all pediatric dentistry clinical rotations and accomplish 25 completed clinical experiences to include diagnosis, treatment planning, preventive restorative pulpal therapy, and exodontia. (mainly on rotations)

Periodontics9
• Manage and treat 10 periodontal cases.
The student also needs to have a cumulative clinical experience of
• 8 quadrants of periodontal maintenance therapy
• 8 quadrants of prophylaxis (applied to the requirement of prophylaxis outlined in the section “Prevention”)
• 8 quadrants of scaling and root planing with difficulty level 1
• 8 quadrants of scaling and root planing with difficulty level 2
• 4 quadrants of scaling and root planing with difficulty level 3
• Assist in 2 periodontal surgeries

Removable Prosthodontics
• A minimum of nine (9) arches to include
o A minimum of 1 set of opposing maxillary and mandibular complete dentures, i.e. 2 dentures restoring a completely edentulous patient.
o A minimum of 3 removable cast metal removable partial dentures, including a distal extension base
o The total number of complete dentures and cast metal framework partial dentures MUST equal at least 9.
• 2 treatment/interim partial dentures (D5211, D5212), These DO NOT count towards the 9 arch requirement in removeable prosthodontics.
• 15 additional removable prosthodontic procedures to include prosthetic repairs, tissue condition, lab processed relines and/or rebases, interim partial dentures and denture adjustment procedures for a denture the student did not fabricate.

Prevention
• A minimum of 60 total procedures to include the following
• A minimum of 25 pit and fissure sealants
• A minimum of 8 quadrants of adult prophylaxis
• A minimum of 5 child prophylaxis
• Topical fluoride treatments
• A minimum of 1 tobacco cessation intervention
• A minimum of 1 iatrosedation, anxiety intervention
• Nutritional counseling


We also have 25 comp's that we must pass.
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I think this is excellent. I wish I had applied to USC. Expensive school, but at least you will know what the hell you are doing when you graduate.
 
MaxAnn said:
I think this is excellent. I wish I had applied to USC. Expensive school, but at least you will know what the hell you are doing when you graduate.
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On the flip side, a significant portion of our classes dont graduate on time...
 
Dreyfus said:
Is that the school's fault or the student's fault?
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Hard to say. The scheduling system and lack of chairs is a problem, but the majority finishes on time, so its probably the students fault for not hussling enough. However, the school certainly doesnt make it easy.
 
There is some difference between schools, but we will all double or triple our experience in the first few months out of school.
 
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Medical College of Georgia


Oral Medicine:
20 treatment plans
10 full mouth series and a radiographic competency
20 case complete exams
1 senior oral medicine case presentation - (must be a "complex, interdisciplinary case". usually extractions, directs/endo, survey crowns and then RPD over RPD.

Restorative: 100 direct restorations
competencies - rubber dam, class I, II, III, cusp replacement, class II resin, provisional, crown

Fixed:20 units of fixed to include at least one FPD
(you only get credit for a max of 2 implant crowns)

Perio: 20 quads of SCRP with tissue response appointment or it doesn't count. (I have about 8 quads that I don't get credit for because the patient bailed after getting their "deep cleanings". Ugghh. Perio patients are the worst. )
3 surgeries
5 competencies
1 Senior Perio Case - must be advanced and often involves surgery
Dang, I hate perio.

Oral surgery: (most people far exceed these requirements)
20 simple exos
5 surgical exos
5 pre-prosthetic surgeries (tori removal, tuberosity reduction, frenectomy, etc...)
12 surgical assists
1 series extraction competency

Occlusion:
1 Complete Occlusal Adjustment
2 Limited occlusal adjustments
1 Occlusal splint
1 elective (complete adjustment or splint)

Removable: minimum of 9 arches
2 CULDs
1 "test case" CULD where we can only get a minimum of advice and are graded.
2 RPDs (one must require altered cast impression)
1 Elective
5 or six complete denture competencies
3 RPD competencies

Endo: 6 teeth (this is the one area we don't get nearly enough of)

Pedo: Several weeks of rotation
5 competencies


With that said, the school has completely revamped the clinic structure and students are being pushed (or threatened and coerced depending on your point of view ) to go well beyond the "minimum" requirements.
 
Oh, I forgot.

1 ortho case start to finish
 
Michigan Michigan Michigan..we start working on patients (prophies) end of our first year and can do class 4 composite restorations beginning of 2nd year

im speaking out of michigan experience dont know about other schools
 
I know this is an old thread but are these numbers good?

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I saw someone else say LSU, it's true. We see first patients a couple of months into D2.
 
There are few schools like Arizona, Nova, The Unversity of Sheffield, The University of IOWA, The University of Illinois which focuses on clinical.
 
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