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I was browsing through the MSAR book earlier today and became a bit confused...

Someone (maybe more than one) is getting into US med schools with verbal scores of 4, PS & BS scores of 6 (specifically SUNY Upstate).

The MSAR book gives schools' min to max scores of accepted applicants. Who, exactly, are they letting in with these scores? very curious...
 
hepaticportal said:
I was browsing through the MSAR book earlier today and became a bit confused...

Someone (maybe more than one) is getting into US med schools with verbal scores of 4, PS & BS scores of 6 (specifically SUNY Upstate).

The MSAR book gives schools' min to max scores of accepted applicants. Who, exactly, are they letting in with these scores? very curious...
God I hope it's me. Not scores that bad, but certainly not stellar.
 
meee too! 🙂

There is hope for everyone!
 
hepaticportal said:
I was browsing through the MSAR book earlier today and became a bit confused...

Someone (maybe more than one) is getting into US med schools with verbal scores of 4, PS & BS scores of 6 (specifically SUNY Upstate).

The MSAR book gives schools' min to max scores of accepted applicants. Who, exactly, are they letting in with these scores? very curious...

i know the perfect answer to your question.

first, there are a lot of non-traditionals out there. as in 30-year old business guys that want to be doctors. or someone from another practice that wants to be a doctor (MD). at drexel, ive even heard of DOs applying to the drexel program. these guys are not your traditional applicants that come straight from college. these non traditional applicants dont have like 5 recommendatiosn because no professor remembers them! they probably have very minimal clinical experience and at 30 years of age, it's hard to break a 30 mcat score. hence, med schools are more lenient and show more SYMPATHY for these non-tradiationals over the traditional students who work / sweat their asses off.

second, there is a group called the URM, or in long, under represented minorities. it's probably the 2nd biggest problem in medicine today with the URM populations. in 2025, 80% of the US will be minorities!!! so med schools need to start recruiting and they will take minorities with lesser numbers than just say a traditional applicant who work/sweat their asses off.
 
I'll keep my fingers crossed for you if you'll do the same for me. 🙂
 
labaholic2 said:
..................... so med schools need to start recruiting and they will take minorities with lesser numbers than just say a traditional applicant who work/sweat their asses off.


Is that implying that URM's dont work their asses off?
 
labaholic2 said:
i know the perfect answer to your question.

first, there are a lot of non-traditionals out there. as in 30-year old business guys that want to be doctors. or someone from another practice that wants to be a doctor (MD). at drexel, ive even heard of DOs applying to the drexel program. these guys are not your traditional applicants that come straight from college. these non traditional applicants dont have like 5 recommendatiosn because no professor remembers them! they probably have very minimal clinical experience and at 30 years of age, it's hard to break a 30 mcat score. hence, med schools are more lenient and show more SYMPATHY for these non-tradiationals over the traditional students who work / sweat their asses off.

second, there is a group called the URM, or in long, under represented minorities. it's probably the 2nd biggest problem in medicine today with the URM populations. in 2025, 80% of the US will be minorities!!! so med schools need to start recruiting and they will take minorities with lesser numbers than just say a traditional applicant who work/sweat their asses off.


I just have to be the one to keep us from following any fallacious logic: the fact that someone is non-trad or an URM, and gets in with lower numbers, in no way shows that that person DIDN'T work/sweat his or her ass off.
 
MarzH05 said:
Is that implying that URM's dont work their asses off?

jinx 🙂
 
I just wanted to add that there will always be someone getting in with below average scores. It is a mathematical necessity.
 
Risa said:
I just have to be the one to keep us from following any fallacious logic: the fact that someone is non-trad or an URM, and gets in with lower numbers, in no way shows that that person DIDN'T work/sweat his or her ass off.

And in the same vein, this doesn't make any sense:

labaholic2 said:
... at 30 years of age, it's hard to break a 30 mcat score

Why? Do you really think that non-trads are going to just hope they remember the bio and physics they learned in college? I doubt there are many non-trads who just pick up one day and decide to take the MCAT without studying.
 
hepaticportal said:
I was browsing through the MSAR book earlier today and became a bit confused...

Someone (maybe more than one) is getting into US med schools with verbal scores of 4, PS & BS scores of 6 (specifically SUNY Upstate).

The MSAR book gives schools' min to max scores of accepted applicants. Who, exactly, are they letting in with these scores? very curious...




the low numbers on MSAR probably might have meant that the person with 4 in Verbal happens to make a 14/15 in BS or PS. If one person makes low score across all three sections, then the school will have to recruit people with exceptional MCAT to make up the difference, in order to bring the average to around 30.
 
J'kwan said:
And in the same vein, this doesn't make any sense:

i don't see how this doesn't make sense

J'kwan said:
Why? Do you really think that non-trads are going to just hope they remember the bio and physics they learned in college? I doubt there are many non-trads who just pick up one day and decide to take the MCAT without studying.

and yes, it is much easier to take the mcat when you're in college and constantly taking courses in the subject area compared to not taking that subject....i.e., me and chem....and this includes studying as much as possible...the classes make it easier

edit: and what is that in your avatar? it scares me, yet i want to hug it at the same time
 
labaholic2 said:
i know the perfect answer to your question.

first, there are a lot of non-traditionals out there. as in 30-year old business guys that want to be doctors. or someone from another practice that wants to be a doctor (MD). at drexel, ive even heard of DOs applying to the drexel program. these guys are not your traditional applicants that come straight from college. these non traditional applicants dont have like 5 recommendatiosn because no professor remembers them! they probably have very minimal clinical experience and at 30 years of age, it's hard to break a 30 mcat score. hence, med schools are more lenient and show more SYMPATHY for these non-tradiationals over the traditional students who work / sweat their asses off.

Damn, I'm elated that I didn't work/sweat my ass off over the last 3 years taking all the prereqs and studying for the MCAT while still working my old job, doing research, and volunteering. It's nice to know that my med school acceptance was a result of an adcom that was overly SYMPATHETIC to my situation -- lord knows I don't deserve it based on merit. And I definitely agree that my clinical experience is minimal at best. However, I'm slightly disturbed to discover that I've been hallucinating my 6 LORs. 😕

/sarcasm

Perfect answer, my @ss. Here's two cents, go buy yourself a frigging clue. :meanie:
 
labaholic2 said:
second, there is a group called the URM, or in long, under represented minorities. it's probably the 2nd biggest problem in medicine today with the URM populations. in 2025, 80% of the US will be minorities!!! so med schools need to start recruiting and they will take minorities with lesser numbers than just say a traditional applicant who work/sweat their asses off.

what about those who get in because they know someone, or because they have wealthy parents who make donations.

Is a minority who holds two jobs while attending college not working hard? Its funny how you only hear whites with low MCATs and GPAs bringing up URMs. (by the way, 80% of the US will not be minorities by 2025, that number isn't even close to being correct).
 
C.P. Jones said:
and yes, it is much easier to take the mcat when you're in college and constantly taking courses in the subject area compared to not taking that subject....i.e., me and chem....and this includes studying as much as possible...the classes make it easier

I agree: the further you get away from the material, the harder it is to do well on the MCAT. But I doubt that there are not a lot of unqualified, do-nothing non-trads who one day decide they want to go to medschool, can't get any recommendations, do poorly on the MCAT and get accepted. This is just not the case. I'm not willing to accept that "sympathy" gets unqualified people into medschool. Adcoms simply wouldn't give a ****. How would they benefit from accepting these people?

C.P. Jones said:
edit: and what is that in your avatar? it scares me, yet i want to hug it at the same time

lol

It's Domokun. A monster (from Japan) who likes to watch TV, drink beer, listen to Guitar Wolf, etc.
 
TheDarkSide said:
Damn, I'm elated that I didn't work/sweat my ass off over the last 3 years taking all the prereqs and studying for the MCAT while still working my old job, doing research, and volunteering. It's nice to know that my med school acceptance was a result of an adcom that was overly SYMPATHETIC to my situation -- lord knows I don't deserve it based on merit. And I definitely agree that my clinical experience is minimal at best. However, I'm slightly disturbed to discover that I've been hallucinating my 6 LORs. 😕

/sarcasm

Perfect answer, my @ss. Here's two cents, go buy yourself a frigging clue. :meanie:

What she said. ^^ And labaholic, this 30-year-old is more than happy to compete vis-a-vis with you or any other trad on MCAT score. You really don't wanna go there, dude. 🙄 :meanie:
 
oh god. another internet riot. just kill it already.
-mota
 
06applicant said:
Is a minority who holds two jobs while attending college not working hard?

2 Jobs, taking the bus to get to school, helping at home to pay the rent and scheduling the college tutor service because your pre-college education, in the ghetto neighborhood/barrio, was so sub-par that you must work 5X to catch up. No that is no where near working your behind off.... 🙄
 
06applicant said:
what about those who get in because they know someone, or because they have wealthy parents who make donations.QUOTE]

My life would be so much easier if the MSAR told me who I had to blow to get into certain schools...
 
labaholic2 said:
these non traditional applicants dont have like 5 recommendatiosn because no professor remembers them! they probably have very minimal clinical experience and at 30 years of age, it's hard to break a 30 mcat score. hence, med schools are more lenient and show more SYMPATHY for these non-tradiationals over the traditional students who work / sweat their asses off.

Hey! I'm a non-traditional applicant. I'm 31. And I scored my age! I think that is pretty good. Plus it's a balanced MCAT score.

And, for what it's worth, I have 10 different recommendations from professors when I attended school in the mid nineties to my current employers and executive director of my volunteer program.

Bah Humbug!
 
TheDarkSide said:
Damn, I'm elated that I didn't work/sweat my ass off over the last 3 years taking all the prereqs and studying for the MCAT while still working my old job, doing research, and volunteering. It's nice to know that my med school acceptance was a result of an adcom that was overly SYMPATHETIC to my situation -- lord knows I don't deserve it based on merit. And I definitely agree that my clinical experience is minimal at best. However, I'm slightly disturbed to discover that I've been hallucinating my 6 LORs. 😕

/sarcasm

Perfect answer, my @ss. Here's two cents, go buy yourself a frigging clue. :meanie:

With you 100%. and congrats on the acceptance!
 
i don't really agree. first, if u look at the non-trads forum, there r quite a few ppl with 30+ scores though non-trads according 2 amcas do tend 2 score lower than their younger counterparts...but i don't think u can in any way say w/o more primary evidence that the person admitted 2 a medical with a 4 in one section was necessarily trad or non-trad. that person may have had sth else stellar in his application or b a legacy child with connections, who knows? and being a non-trad myself (with a 30+ mcat score), i can tell u it no longer really is an advantage in applying 2 med schools b/c there r a significant number of non-trads applying these dayz. in general, the numbers for URMs have a lower cutoff but that's what affirmative action is there 4. though higher mcat scores correlate with more success in medical school courses, just b/c someone scores below 30, does not mean that they cannot learn the material or will b any worse a doctor. these dayz its very important 2 have culturally/linguistically competent physicians especially when there is a significant population of minorities who may feel more comfortable with a doctor who understands their customs and language. so i'm all for AA (when used the way it was originally intended 2 b used) and i probably should have more a gripe about it more than anyone, being asian, a minority but not eligible for AA. just b/c any of us 'works our butts' off, maybe even more than a URM may or may not, doesn't necessarily mean we'd b better docs...its not all about the numbers. that person with the 4 may have been an exception, and may or may not have been a non-trad or URM, and got in 4 some reason we will never know.

labaholic2 said:
i know the perfect answer to your question.

first, there are a lot of non-traditionals out there. as in 30-year old business guys that want to be doctors. or someone from another practice that wants to be a doctor (MD). at drexel, ive even heard of DOs applying to the drexel program. these guys are not your traditional applicants that come straight from college. these non traditional applicants dont have like 5 recommendatiosn because no professor remembers them! they probably have very minimal clinical experience and at 30 years of age, it's hard to break a 30 mcat score. hence, med schools are more lenient and show more SYMPATHY for these non-tradiationals over the traditional students who work / sweat their asses off.

second, there is a group called the URM, or in long, under represented minorities. it's probably the 2nd biggest problem in medicine today with the URM populations. in 2025, 80% of the US will be minorities!!! so med schools need to start recruiting and they will take minorities with lesser numbers than just say a traditional applicant who work/sweat their asses off.
 
hey there, troll 🙂

labaholic2 said:
i know the perfect answer to your question.

first, there are a lot of non-traditionals out there. as in 30-year old business guys that want to be doctors. or someone from another practice that wants to be a doctor (MD). at drexel, ive even heard of DOs applying to the drexel program. these guys are not your traditional applicants that come straight from college. these non traditional applicants dont have like 5 recommendatiosn because no professor remembers them! they probably have very minimal clinical experience and at 30 years of age, it's hard to break a 30 mcat score. hence, med schools are more lenient and show more SYMPATHY for these non-tradiationals over the traditional students who work / sweat their asses off.

second, there is a group called the URM, or in long, under represented minorities. it's probably the 2nd biggest problem in medicine today with the URM populations. in 2025, 80% of the US will be minorities!!! so med schools need to start recruiting and they will take minorities with lesser numbers than just say a traditional applicant who work/sweat their asses off.
 
labaholic2 said:
i know the perfect answer to your question.

first, there are a lot of non-traditionals out there. as in 30-year old business guys that want to be doctors. or someone from another practice that wants to be a doctor (MD). at drexel, ive even heard of DOs applying to the drexel program. these guys are not your traditional applicants that come straight from college. these non traditional applicants dont have like 5 recommendatiosn because no professor remembers them! they probably have very minimal clinical experience and at 30 years of age, it's hard to break a 30 mcat score. hence, med schools are more lenient and show more SYMPATHY for these non-tradiationals over the traditional students who work / sweat their asses off.

second, there is a group called the URM, or in long, under represented minorities. it's probably the 2nd biggest problem in medicine today with the URM populations. in 2025, 80% of the US will be minorities!!! so med schools need to start recruiting and they will take minorities with lesser numbers than just say a traditional applicant who work/sweat their asses off.

Ok, I'll lay out my cards. I've got a 36, an acceptance to medical school, and I teach people how to fly 4 engine jet airplanes into Iraq.

What do you have?
 
06applicant said:
what about those who get in because they know someone, or because they have wealthy parents who make donations.

Is a minority who holds two jobs while attending college not working hard? Its funny how you only hear whites with low MCATs and GPAs bringing up URMs. (by the way, 80% of the US will not be minorities by 2025, that number isn't even close to being correct).

I've read somewhere that one admissions officer was offered $20,000 to admit someone. However, I wonder how much in legit donations it takes to admit someone...
 
labaholic2 said:
i know the perfect answer to your question.

first, there are a lot of non-traditionals out there. as in 30-year old business guys that want to be doctors. or someone from another practice that wants to be a doctor (MD). at drexel, ive even heard of DOs applying to the drexel program. these guys are not your traditional applicants that come straight from college. these non traditional applicants dont have like 5 recommendatiosn because no professor remembers them! they probably have very minimal clinical experience and at 30 years of age, it's hard to break a 30 mcat score. hence, med schools are more lenient and show more SYMPATHY for these non-tradiationals over the traditional students who work / sweat their asses off.

second, there is a group called the URM, or in long, under represented minorities. it's probably the 2nd biggest problem in medicine today with the URM populations. in 2025, 80% of the US will be minorities!!! so med schools need to start recruiting and they will take minorities with lesser numbers than just say a traditional applicant who work/sweat their asses off.

Be realistic for a change and stop relying so much on facts statistics you have probably never seen or understand.....I do not think anyone could get into medical school with scores like that!

😡
 
second, there is a group called the URM, or in long, under represented minorities. it's probably the 2nd biggest problem in medicine today with the URM populations. in 2025, 80% of the US will be minorities!!! so med schools need to start recruiting and they will take minorities with lesser numbers than just say a traditional applicant who work/sweat their asses off.[/QUOTE]


Is your last sentence implying that minorities DO NOT "work/sweat their as**** off"? just wondering...
 
does anyone else find this thread to be funny :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

sweaty asses are not a plus in the med school app. process. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 
QofQuimica said:
What she said. ^^ And labaholic, this 30-year-old is more than happy to compete vis-a-vis with you or any other trad on MCAT score. You really don't wanna go there, dude. 🙄 :meanie:
Hey, your 29 isn't bad, but don't be bragging now. 🙄






😛
So anyways, I think this question has been adequately answered. It's not the same person getting a 6/8/8, it's one guy getting a 14/8/12 and another guy getting a 6/13/13, etc. If someone is a recent immigrant and performs poorly on the VR, but knocks the bottom out of the other sections, it's pretty clear what the issue is.
 
Quetzal said:
second, there is a group called the URM, or in long, under represented minorities. it's probably the 2nd biggest problem in medicine today with the URM populations. in 2025, 80% of the US will be minorities!!! so med schools need to start recruiting and they will take minorities with lesser numbers than just say a traditional applicant who work/sweat their asses off.


Is your last sentence implying that minorities DO NOT "work/sweat their as**** off"? just wondering...[/QUOTE]


:meanie: :meanie: :meanie: ........*******!!!!!!!!

of course not!

what did riceman's five fingers say to quetzal's face......................SSSSSSSSSSSLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPP!
 
well, ass gets u into med school. it's stupid to try and work ur ass off. who wants a doc w/ no ass? Anyone who'd work out enough to lose their ass isn't going to make a good doctor.
 
catalystman said:
does anyone else find this thread to be funny :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

sweaty asses are not a plus in the med school app. process. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

awww damn, and here i was just about to put it in my top 15 ECs, ass sweating, September 2001-Present. hahaha
 
Rendar5 said:
well, ass gets u into med school. it's stupid to try and work ur ass off. who wants a doc w/ no ass? Anyone who'd work out enough to lose their ass isn't going to make a good doctor.

what you gonna do wit all that junk all that junk inside your trunk?
 
Nikki2002 said:
what you gonna do wit all that junk all that junk inside your trunk?

rick james biatch!!!!

cocaine is a hell of a druuuuuuuuuug!!!!
 
labaholic2 said:
i know the perfect answer to your question.

first, there are a lot of non-traditionals out there. as in 30-year old business guys that want to be doctors. or someone from another practice that wants to be a doctor (MD). at drexel, ive even heard of DOs applying to the drexel program. these guys are not your traditional applicants that come straight from college. these non traditional applicants dont have like 5 recommendatiosn because no professor remembers them! they probably have very minimal clinical experience and at 30 years of age, it's hard to break a 30 mcat score. hence, med schools are more lenient and show more SYMPATHY for these non-tradiationals over the traditional students who work / sweat their asses off.

second, there is a group called the URM, or in long, under represented minorities. it's probably the 2nd biggest problem in medicine today with the URM populations. in 2025, 80% of the US will be minorities!!! so med schools need to start recruiting and they will take minorities with lesser numbers than just say a traditional applicant who work/sweat their asses off.



Actually, my experience with nontrads, is that they are amongst the highest scorers on the MCAT. And if they don't get high, they at least get near 28-29 range.

I've known many nontrads ranging in ages 28-44. ALL OF THEM have had some sort of significant clinical experience, whether it was through the nursing or another medical profession, doing research and volunteering in a hospital, going on medical mission trips, or working in a different aspect of a hospital as with public relations and getting to know doctors who would allow for observervation.

ALL OF THEM also scored either rigth near the national average or quite a bit above it.

Two of them got at least 24 range but with even distribution such that no subscore was lower then a 7. The remainder of the people I know scored anywhere from 28-43 on the MCAT, with a good percentage of them scoring in the 34-35 range.

So what you say about nontrads is DEAD wrong.

The one person who scored a 35, did NOT STUDY for the test due to work and still pulled a 35, from developing proper critical thinking skills through his career and having been well read in different subject areas.

The others worked full time and still found time to study for the test.

So I tend to think you are wrong there.

I tend to think the people with the lower scores fall in one of several categories:

1. Foreign immigrants who do not have English as a first language.

2. Those who are in 6 or 7 year programs that require you to take the MCAT, but don't require you to obtain any specific score.

3. Sometimes, URMs.

Although, all the URMs I've seen on SDN have gotten decent scores like 27+. There is one or two who I know here in Tampa with slightly low scores in a given subsection, but it is due to belonging to the first category listed above.
 
Just to clarify something........

What I meant when I said those who score low......I meant those who score low and are still able to get in. Meaning, they may have done decent in one section but say gotten a 4 in Verbal or some other given section of the test.
 
Who cares what there circumstances are? Someone will always be the lowest and the highest just like in class rank. Just make sure it isn't you so pre-meds don't speculate about your race and background.
 
BrettBatchelor said:
Who cares what there circumstances are? Someone will always be the lowest and the highest just like in class rank. Just make sure it isn't you so pre-meds don't speculate about your race and background.


GOOD POINT!!!!!!!! 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍
 
J'kwan said:
And in the same vein, this doesn't make any sense:



Why? Do you really think that non-trads are going to just hope they remember the bio and physics they learned in college? I doubt there are many non-trads who just pick up one day and decide to take the MCAT without studying.

well, apparently your brain goes to mush when you hit 30. 🙄 my guess is that labaholic will change his mind. also, i've got to say that i've worked my ass off as a nontrad mixing classes and volunteering with holding down a full-time job. sorry, it's not a cushy thing.
 
exlawgrrl said:
well, apparently your brain goes to mush when you hit 30. 🙄 my guess is that labaholic will change his mind. also, i've got to say that i've worked my ass off as a nontrad mixing classes and volunteering with holding down a full-time job. sorry, it's not a cushy thing.


:clap: :clap:

As I said above,

If anything holds true, its that most cases of nontrads here on SDN and in real life, tend to show the opposite of what labaholic said.

In other words, they show that as you grow older, you become more focused despite how much you got going on, and hence you do better.
 
SELECTION BIAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*collapses. yes, path is so bad, i'm reverting to epidemiology mode. i don't want to do any more pathology studying 🙁*

gujuDoc said:
:clap: :clap:

As I said above,

If anything holds true, its that most cases of nontrads here on SDN and in real life, tend to show the opposite of what labaholic said.

In other words, they show that as you grow older, you become more focused despite how much you got going on, and hence you do better.
 
indo said:
I just wanted to add that there will always be someone getting in with below average scores. It is a mathematical necessity.


That is SO true, thank god someone pointed that out.
 
labaholic2 said:
first, there are a lot of non-traditionals out there. as in 30-year old business guys that want to be doctors. or someone from another practice that wants to be a doctor (MD). at drexel, ive even heard of DOs applying to the drexel program. these guys are not your traditional applicants that come straight from college. these non traditional applicants dont have like 5 recommendatiosn because no professor remembers them! they probably have very minimal clinical experience and at 30 years of age, it's hard to break a 30 mcat score. hence, med schools are more lenient and show more SYMPATHY for these non-tradiationals over the traditional students who work / sweat their asses off.

Sympathy? No clinical experience? Think a bit before you make sweeping inaccurate and unsubstantiated claims.

Oh, and I do have, like, 5 recommendations and did score better than 30 on the MCAT... 🙄
 
QofQuimica said:
What she said. ^^ And labaholic, this 30-year-old is more than happy to compete vis-a-vis with you or any other trad on MCAT score. You really don't wanna go there, dude. 🙄 :meanie:

I love you Q.
 
And the beat goes on. Neverending story.

Someone "loads" the gun. Another pulls the trigger and BOOM!! - A gun shot.

By M. T. Headd
 
MoosePilot said:
Ok, I'll lay out my cards. I've got a 36, an acceptance to medical school, and I teach people how to fly 4 engine jet airplanes into Iraq.

What do you have?

A sense of entitlement and a big inferiority complex. 😛
 
labaholic2 said:
i know the perfect answer to your question.

first, there are a lot of non-traditionals out there. as in 30-year old business guys that want to be doctors. or someone from another practice that wants to be a doctor (MD). at drexel, ive even heard of DOs applying to the drexel program. these guys are not your traditional applicants that come straight from college. these non traditional applicants dont have like 5 recommendatiosn because no professor remembers them! they probably have very minimal clinical experience and at 30 years of age, it's hard to break a 30 mcat score. hence, med schools are more lenient and show more SYMPATHY for these non-tradiationals over the traditional students who work / sweat their asses off.

second, there is a group called the URM, or in long, under represented minorities. it's probably the 2nd biggest problem in medicine today with the URM populations. in 2025, 80% of the US will be minorities!!! so med schools need to start recruiting and they will take minorities with lesser numbers than just say a traditional applicant who work/sweat their asses off.

Dude, that's so weak. You've "heard" that DO's have applied to Drexel????

Also, nice touch on the non-trad experience. Go to the non-trad forum and educate yourself on what many non-trads go through to get into med school.

While I won't minimalize what traditional college students go through to get "there", just read some of the non-trad threads, and be honest with yourself. Would you be able to juggle family, working full time (with REAL responsibilities, not at the mall), paying very real bills, taking post-bacc courses at night, studying for the MCAT, and volunteering???? Be honest now.

So, before you write, you need to think, or at least make an attempt to become less ignorant.

As for URMs, how much have you spent on traveling to "all" of your interviews. I've gone to a few, and each (depending on the distance) have run between 300 and $650 per interview. What about that 1500 dollar Kaplan class you took? Now picture the average URM that hasn't had nearly the opportunities that you have, and again, be honest with yourself. How would you do??

Based on your attitude, probably not so well.
 
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