Got a "D+" for Micro Econ

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Hello everyone,

First of all, I would like to say thanks to all for helpful information that you've shared on this forum.
I will be applying to Nova for fall 2007. Last quarter, I took General Chem 2 and Microecon. I got "A" for GenChem 2 but a terrible "D+" 😳 for Microecon. I had a super hard econ instructor and I also didn't spend lot of time to study due to work relating issue. That "D+" pulled my overall GPA down to 3.38. If I take it again at the same school, that "D+" will be replaced with the better grade. I want to take it this summer at community college (higher chance to get an "A" 🙂 ) but the university won't take it as replaced grade.

Will Pharmcas count that "D+" together with better grade toward GPA or they only take repeating grade (C or higher)? I will submit my application this fall and afraid that "D" and 3.38 GPA will not look so good. I have a 3.68 GPA (so far) for math and science. I will take PCAT this June as well. Should I just go ahead and retake that Econ at junior college or wait until fall to retake at my university? Thanks for taking time to read my message.

Aquasonic

PS: I just had Orchem1 midterm this morning. It wasn't fun at all
 
Aquasonic said:
Will Pharmcas count that "D+" together with better grade toward GPA or they only take repeating grade (C or higher)? I will submit my application this fall and afraid that "D" and 3.38 GPA will not look so good.
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They are going to count both grades.
 
Pharmcas will use both grades to calculate your GPA. It is up to the school you are applying to if they want to use both grades or not for your GPA. I think most will NOT replace the lower grade with the one you retook...they will just average them together.
 
I know the answer to this because I have been through it. I went to FAU, and they do the forgiveness thing, but when you go through pharmcas, no matter where you take the class, they will average the two together and come up with their own gpa. For example, if you take micro over again at your 4 year university and get your old gpa back, when you submit your pharmcas application your gpa will be right back down to a 3.3. When I did my pharmcas app, I left out the 2 classes that I got replaced with new grades, and pharmcas got them from my transcripts and added them in anyway. What I'm trying to say is, if you want to take the class at a community college, it won't make any difference so you might as well.
 
A 'D' can be greatly be offset by an 'A' the second time around.

Just make sure if you repeat the class to excel.
 
Just to make it clear.. do they average the two grades made within that same class or does the grade from the retake become another seperate grade for the gpa?

Brixius said:
They are going to count both grades.
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I feel so bad. My microecon teacher was SOOO easy. She gave us the answers before we took the exam. Everyone got an A. Oh, and it was an honors class too. Yay for community college.
 
BulsangHanNamja said:
Just to make it clear.. do they average the two grades made within that same class or does the grade from the retake become another seperate grade for the gpa?
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I'm not sure what you are asking here.

It will show up on your transcript exactly like it would for any 2 classes that aren't the same. It will also be calculated into your GPA just like that.

kevintech said:
Yay for community college.
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Prepare to get flamed for that comment. 😛
 
BulsangHanNamja said:
Just to make it clear.. do they average the two grades made within that same class or does the grade from the retake become another seperate grade for the gpa?
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why are you bulsang hae?
 
Aquasonic said:
Hello everyone,

First of all, I would like to say thanks to all for helpful information that you've shared in this forum.

I'm 32 years old, working fulltime as Systems Analyst. I will be applying to Nova for fall 2007. Last quarter, I took General Chem 2 and Microecon. I got "A" for GenChem 2 but a terrible "D+" 😳 for Microecon. I had a super hard econ instructor and I also didn't spend lot of time to study due to work relating issue. That "D+" pulled my overall GPA down to 3.38. If I take it again at the same school, that "D+" will be replaced with the better grade. I want to take it this summer at community college (higher chance to get an “A” 🙂 ) but the university won't take it as replaced grade.

Will Pharmcas count that "D+" together with better grade toward GPA or they only take repeating grade (C or higher)? I will submit my application this fall and afraid that "D" and 3.38 GPA will not look so good. I have a 3.68 GPA (so far) for math and science. I will take PCAT this June as well. Should I just go ahead and retake that Econ at junior college or wait until fall to retake at my university? Thanks for taking time to read my message.

Aquasonic

PS: I just had Orchem1 midterm this morning. It wasn’t fun at all
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Aquasonic- i'm an econ major and a D+ is just unacceptable. ha. just kidding. econ can be a bitch...what seemed to be the most difficult part?
 
BulsangHanNamja said:
Just to make it clear.. do they average the two grades made within that same class or does the grade from the retake become another seperate grade for the gpa?
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They show up as two seperate grades. Just as though they were two totally sperate classes. And they get averaged that way as well. There are schools, however, that will only count your most recent grade.
 
I got a D in Logic and Reasoning.. the SOB class was the worst! We had 2 exams.. and they were both 25+ pages. :scared:
 
Prepare to get flamed for that comment.
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I've noticed that people are very defensive of community colleges here.
 
evilolive said:
I've noticed that people are very defensive of community colleges here.
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People get very defensive when others insult the difficulty of something that lets them skate by.

*pulls out flame shield*
 
insipid1979 said:
People get very defensive when others insult the difficulty of something that lets them skate by.

*pulls out flame shield*
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Maybe it's just blatant ignorance that draws the flames??

Naaaah, that can't possibly be the reason. :laugh:

This is a good read , fwiw.
 
RockAByBaby said:
Aquasonic- i'm an econ major and a D+ is just unacceptable. ha. just kidding. econ can be a bitch...what seemed to be the most difficult part?
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RockAByBaby, I know D+ is unacceptable 🙂 This is my first "D" ever so you know how I felt when I saw that grade 😳
After spending time go over the text book again, I think Econ is very interesting subject. My mind gets used to Math and science so Econ concepts were hard to swallow the first time, plus my instructor loved to give tricky questions on exams. Thanks for your reply.

Aquasonic
 
KUMoose said:
Maybe it's just blatant ignorance that draws the flames??

Naaaah, that can't possibly be the reason. :laugh:

This is a good read , fwiw.
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I don't really feel like getting in an argument over whether community colleges are more or less difficult than universities...since the answer should be clear. But this article has absolutely nothing to do with what I said...or even comparing community colleges to university. Basically it talks about the different purpose they serve and how it is an untapped resource.
 
insipid1979 said:
I don't really feel like getting in an argument over whether community colleges are more or less difficult than universities...since the answer should be clear.
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Being too easy and being too hard often lead to the same place, lost students. A professor bashing OrgChem, Econ, Physics, etc, like they are in an 800 lvl course or fluffing the 100/200 level so a 2 bit ***** could pass the class are both low qualities of eduction. You don't want to engage in an argument, that's fine, but don't assume the quality of education is automatically better at a 4 year. Thus far, the only argument has been, society thinks 4 years are harder ergo they are, the statistics have been lacking.

And the point of the article was two-fold, success can originate from several paths, even the lowly community college, The quality of teacher is far more important then where they teach. I was in a hurry and didn't fully qualify my reasons for posting the article.
 
KUMoose said:
Being too easy and being too hard often lead to the same place, lost students. A professor bashing OrgChem, Econ, Physics, etc, like they are in an 800 lvl course or fluffing the 100/200 level so a 2 bit ***** could pass the class are both low qualities of eduction. You don't want to engage in an argument, that's fine, but don't assume the quality of education is automatically better at a 4 year. Thus far, the only argument has been, society thinks 4 years are harder ergo they are, the statistics have been lacking.

And the point of the article was two-fold, success can originate from several paths, even the lowly community college, The quality of teacher is far more important then where they teach. I was in a hurry and didn't fully qualify my reasons for posting the article.
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Hi KuMoose,

I really enjoyed that article. Thanks for sharing. The community college vs. university debate is all about the perception of ease. You are right about the lack of statistical data supporting either side. Here is a quote that I have used before from someone who is an authority on the matter of pharmacy admissions:

"We don't take the undergraduate institution you have attended into account when we offer admission. In my personal opinion, I am not aware of any quality scientific data that would allow me to objectively favor one institution over another. Additionally, if there was quality data, I believe the admissions department has an ethical responsibility to publicize their preferences so that everyone would know the proverbial rules of the admission game."
 
KUMoose said:
You don't want to engage in an argument, that's fine, but don't assume the quality of education is automatically better at a 4 year.
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I didn't say it is better. I said it is usually harder.

I honestly don't think that the school you attend really has THAT big of a difference in the quality of education you get. You will learn a lot more at a crappy college if you put in a lot of time reading and learning the subject yourself than someone who goes to Stanford and does the bare minimum. The fact remains though that the bare minimum at Standford would be set a lot higher than a community college...so when schools look at a transcript they know for a fact that you had a heavier and more rigorous courseload at universities despite if you put in just the minimum effort for a good GPA at both.

My first year English teacher made a good point. You don't go to college to get an education. You go to college to get a degree. If you wanted an education you would go to the library with a cup of coffee. My point still stands that Universities are often more rigorous and therefore some people get very defensive when someone says that community colleges are easier. Look at most med schools application websites. They will spell it out very clearly that how rigorous your previous institution was and the courseload you took will be taken into account while looking at your application. People recognize that different institutions have different courseloads and difficulty. To deny this is just being ignorant.
 
insipid1979 said:
I didn't say it is better. I said it is usually harder.

I honestly don't think that the school you attend really has THAT big of a difference in the quality of education you get. You will learn a lot more at a crappy college if you put in a lot of time reading and learning the subject yourself than someone who goes to Stanford and does the bare minimum. The fact remains though that the bare minimum at Standford would be set a lot higher than a community college...so when schools look at a transcript they know for a fact that you had a heavier and more rigorous courseload at universities despite if you put in just the minimum effort for a good GPA at both.

My first year English teacher made a good point. You don't go to college to get an education. You go to college to get a degree. If you wanted an education you would go to the library with a cup of coffee. My point still stands that Universities are often more rigorous and therefore some people get very defensive when someone says that community colleges are easier. Look at most med schools application websites. They will spell it out very clearly that how rigorous your previous institution was and the courseload you took will be taken into account while looking at your application. People recognize that different institutions have different courseloads and difficulty. To deny this is just being ignorant.
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Difficulty is a variable measure - If I took Org II at a 4 yr, it might be difficult. I would wager a decent bet however, that if I took the same course at a 2 yr my opinion would probably be the same. Hard classes are hard. None of the subjects I have seen thus far were beyond me - but I had a couple of professors that tried to make it so. So if I had an incredibly difficult course at a 2 yr, but then an easy one at a 4yr later on - I still could not conclude that one was easier than the other.

Side note - Grad schools are snobby - which means yeah, they care which schools you went to - how difficult (according to them) it was - and how much you took on while you did whatever you did...

how much does that blow... hahaha Good thread 😎
 
Community colleges are not necessarily easier than Universities. It largely depends on the professor. This is my own experience:

I'm currently taking classes at both George Mason University and Northern Virginia Community College. I'm taking Organic II at NOVA and I have friends who are taking Orgo at GMU. Both schools use the same Organic Chem textbook and cover the same chapters.

My Orgo professor is actually a full time professor at Bowie State University in Maryland and was invited to teach Orgo at NOVA b/c nobody wants to teach Orgo. His exams are so detailed and so hard. Each question has several parts and is very detailed. We are expected to know every reaction, what every reagent does, and the mechanisms. We must be able to draw out every step when asked for the mechanism. He makes us do retrosynthetic problems on all exams and quizzes. The expectation is no less than at the University level.
 
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