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What are your thoughts on this about the various types of doctors in health related fields?

Are Chiropractors real doctors?
How about Optometrists?
Pharmacists?
Vets?

I have thought about all these careers at one time or another and I have heard a lot of stuff like "oh they're not REAL doctors..." Thoughts on this matter would be appreciated.

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How about osteopaths? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Just kidding!

What are your thoughts on this about the various types of doctors in health related fields?

Are Chiropractors real doctors?
How about Optometrists?
Pharmacists?
Vets?

I have thought about all these careers at one time or another and I have heard a lot of stuff like "oh they're not REAL doctors..." Thoughts on this matter would be appreciated.
 
How about osteopaths? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Just kidding!

lol...seriously though. A Chiropractor or an Optometrist couldn't pull up to an accident scene claiming to be a "doctor" could they?
 
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I'd love to see some PhD in literature pull up to an accident claiming to be a doctor. "Well, technically I am a doctor!"

lol...seriously though. A Chiropractor or an Optometrist couldn't pull up to an accident scene claiming to be a "doctor" could they?
 
What are your thoughts on this about the various types of doctors in health related fields?

Are Chiropractors real doctors?
How about Optometrists?
Pharmacists?
Vets?

I have thought about all these careers at one time or another and I have heard a lot of stuff like "oh they're not REAL doctors..." Thoughts on this matter would be appreciated.

I agree. The word "Doctor" gives a false hope that someone can provide medical care. I actually know someone who got her doctorate degree in Spanish (the language) and goes by "doctor".
 
I agree. The word "Doctor" gives a false hope that someone can provide medical care. I actually know someone who got her doctorate degree in Spanish (the language) and goes by "doctor".

I don't understand the point of this post. People with a PhD are supposed to be called Dr. It's just a custom. That doesn't mean that people go around thinking they practice medicine:confused:
 
I'd love to see some PhD in literature pull up to an accident claiming to be a doctor. "Well, technically I am a doctor!"

lol I had a similar situation this last summer in my Literary Interpretation class. My professor was a Ph.D. in literature and she would only go by "Dr." or "Professor" lmao...what a joke, she just got the Ph.D. in literature in 2005 so she's still in her honeymoon phase with it. I actually contemplated asking her what I should do for my headache one day when she was driving me up the wall...I probably woulda then said, oh sorry your a book doctor, not a real one!
 
I don't understand the point of this post. People with a PhD are supposed to be called Dr. It's just a custom. That doesn't mean that people go around thinking they practice medicine:confused:
They should go by Dr. in the academic setting just as Physicians should go by Dr. in a clinical setting.

Out and about on the street, the connotation of doctor is physician.
 
lol I had a similar situation this last summer in my Literary Interpretation class. My professor was a Ph.D. in literature and she would only go by "Dr." or "Professor" lmao...what a joke, she just got the Ph.D. in literature in 2005 so she's still in her honeymoon phase with it. I actually contemplated asking her what I should do for my headache one day when she was driving me up the wall...I probably woulda then said, oh sorry your a book doctor, not a real one!

You're kidding right?
 
They should go by Dr. in the academic setting just as Physicians should go by Dr. in a clinical setting.

Out and about on the street, the connotation of doctor is physician.

exactly, but I find it highly unlikely that any d-bag on the street would claim they are a doctor in a situation because the have a PhD in Spanish. That just wouldn't happen
 
exactly, but I find it highly unlikely that any d-bag on the street would claim they are a doctor in a situation because the have a PhD in Spanish. That just wouldn't happen

remember that episode of "King of the Hill" where Peggy and a bunch of other people got their Doctorates for like $999...

someone said: We need a doctor
fake Ph.D.: I'm a doctor.

that's pretty much where I got the idea for this thread.
 
How about dentists? They get kind of a bad rap.

I think a Vet is a "doctor." Certainly you wouldn't want one to practice on people but in a life or death situation I'd rather have a Vet than an optometrist.
 
At the same time, anyone who has earned a doctorate degree has earned the right to be called "Doctor."
 
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you people sound like you've never set foot inside a college lecture hall.
 
you people sound like you've never set foot inside a college lecture hall.

Yes, precisely. Where's the ambiguity? A person with a Doctor of Philosophy has earned the privilege of being called Dr. ____. I highly doubt anyone at that level of achievement would masquerade as a medical doctor...
 
Yes, precisely. Where's the ambiguity? A person with a Doctor of Philosophy has earned the privilege of being called Dr. ____. I highly doubt anyone at that level of achievement would masquerade as a medical doctor...

LMAO...you folks are too serious. RELAX a bit.
 
The trend seems to be people who have math/science PhD's believe their degrees are far superior than MD's. Ive heard this a few times PhD = thinking, MD= memorizing.
 
don't dentistry students take the same two years of classes as med students? at least i'm pretty sure this is true at UConn, that med and dental students are in the same lectures for years 1 and 2.....and so what i'm trying to say is that the knowledge base is the same...just different clinical experiences (which i know will be a major part in medical education....but dentists still go through a lot of work)
 
The trend seems to be people who have math/science PhD's believe their degrees are far superior than MD's. Ive heard this a few times PhD = thinking, MD= memorizing.

Well maybe for the most part but M.D.'s don't memorize treatments that don't fit the book 100%...therefore there must be a great deal of reasoning involved. M.D.'s are more important to society anyway. You don't need a Ph.D. in Math like you need a Diagnostic Radiologist/Oncologist/etc.
 
1. The whole discussion on the thread seems to be about who has the "right" to be called doctor. The appropriate answer is anyone who's earned a doctorate. Any concern beyond that seems a bit... sad...

2. Folks who earn Ph.D.'s usually have to work for it a lot more years than folks who earn MDs. Keep it in mind next time you think it's an inferior degree.
 
Saying you're a "doctor", or using the title "Dr.", only says that you've earned a doctorate, which is available to many disciplines. To be accurate, I favor using more precise words like professor, physician, dentist, veterinarian, psychologist, chiropractor, etc.

But really, I think I'm clever enough to sort through any ambiguity by the context of the situation. So, I'm in no danger of being treated for MI by someone who's written a dissertation on Thoreau. ;)
 
ok edit got somethin else to say! i'm sure you guys have had plenty experiences emailing doctors/professors.. it's always like

Dear Dr. Smith,
blahblahblah

sincerely,
Rob

then they usually respond:

Dear Rob,
blahblahblahblah

John

For some reason I get annoyed when the person signs "Dr. Smith" instead of John..now, never would i actually call the person John, and the person most likely knows that.. but I feel like them signing Dr. Smith portrays an "i'm bigger than you and i'm gonna throw my weight around." i've only had this happen once.
 
don't dentistry students take the same two years of classes as med students? at least i'm pretty sure this is true at UConn, that med and dental students are in the same lectures for years 1 and 2.....and so what i'm trying to say is that the knowledge base is the same...just different clinical experiences (which i know will be a major part in medical education....but dentists still go through a lot of work)

This is true at UConn, but not a lot of other schools. Also, UConn has lower pass rates for the dental students and the curriculum isn't identical - the dental students are off doing other things while the med students are doing other things as well. Besides, that's only the first two years of basic sciences. Having not completed 3rd yr clerkships similar to the med students, the dental students would be lost in a clinical setting of that manner.
 
ok edit got somethin else to say! i'm sure you guys have had plenty experiences emailing doctors/professors.. it's always like

Dear Dr. Smith,
blahblahblah

sincerely,
Rob

then they usually respond:

Dear Rob,
blahblahblahblah

John

For some reason I get annoyed when the person signs "Dr. Smith" instead of John..now, never would i actually call the person John, and the person most likely knows that.. but I feel like them signing Dr. Smith portrays an "i'm bigger than you and i'm gonna throw my weight around." i've only had this happen once.

I know exactly what you're talking about...lol. After they sign their name as their first name I usually start addressing them as that in emails. They never say anything.
 
This whole topic has been beaten to death so many times, it's sad. It's too bad you guys didn't chime in earlier with the same silly points that were illustrated in the previous 2000 discussions of this lame ass topic.

-Dr. Excalibur, MD
 
"real" doctors don't care that other "doctors" are called doctors because they are too busy practicing medicine and caring for people

just my opinion... nothing more, nothing less
 
Veterinarians: holders of the degree D.V.M. (doctor of veterinary medicine)

Optometrists: hm...an ophthalmologist is an MD, qualified to prescribe medication and (I believe) perform surgery...but that wasn't your question, was it!
 
"real" doctors don't care that other "doctors" are called doctors because they are too busy practicing medicine and caring for people

just my opinion... nothing more, nothing less

have a sense of humor. I only started this thread as a joke.
 
if you're not part of the solution, you're a precipitate!
 
lol...seriously though. A Chiropractor or an Optometrist couldn't pull up to an accident scene claiming to be a "doctor" could they?


yea neither could a dentist

but its nitce to see you've determined the criteria for being a doctor lol .. pulling up to an accident scene and kicking ass eh

:laugh:
 
yea neither could a dentist

but its nitce to see you've determined the criteria for being a doctor lol .. pulling up to an accident scene and kicking ass eh

:laugh:

lol. Just an example.
 
hahahahhaha! thank you, i'm gonna use that.

lol nooo i take no credit i'm makin fun of some kid who always uses that line even when it doesn't apply to the conversation at all haha. but yea it's kinda clever :thumbup:
 
I don't object to many people calling themselves doctors (even PhDs), but IMO, Chiropractors are not doctors.
-Dr. P.
 
damn you posting just forced me to use this beautiful Dr. Cox quote:

"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper's a doctor?"
 
M.D.'s are more important to society anyway. You don't need a Ph.D. in Math like you need a Diagnostic Radiologist/Oncologist/etc.

I'm all about diagnostic radiology etc., but without math and physics PhD's, the tools that allow for the existance of a diagnostic radiologist wouldn't exist. You are comparing apples and oranges...making a statement that makes as much sense as cellos are more important to society than pianos.

PS - I have a DVM, am called Dr.Pathognomonic at work and don't masquerade as a physician. ;)
 
How about dentists? They get kind of a bad rap.

I think a Vet is a "doctor." Certainly you wouldn't want one to practice on people but in a life or death situation I'd rather have a Vet than an optometrist.

my pet bunnies were sick when I was pregnan with my first son. i liked my vet SOOO much more than my OB I was hoping I'd go into labor while at the vet and have him deliver the baby :laugh: i have mad respect for vets :thumbup:
 
i don't think an optometrist is a doctor.


Ummm... their doctoral degrees and those snazzy "doctoral" robes and hoods they wear at graduation would beg to differ...

EDIT: Before the flames begin... they are doctors in the clinic only, just as much as vets, dentists, chiros (eek!), and podiatrists are.
 
Too much politics. A doctor is a doctor, whether it be on paper or their function to serve people/animals. :p
 
I'd pit your average veterinary school graduate vs. your average medical school graduate in a clinical knowledge and skills battle to the death any day. At least at my school, the veterinary students work way harder and are far more competent than the medical students at graduation. Most of them have at least a few cases in which they're the primary, unassisted, surgeon by the time they finish.
 
Well maybe for the most part but M.D.'s don't memorize treatments that don't fit the book 100%...therefore there must be a great deal of reasoning involved. M.D.'s are more important to society anyway. You don't need a Ph.D. in Math like you need a Diagnostic Radiologist/Oncologist/etc.


This discussion is ridiculous. Society bestows the title of doctor to anyone who has specialized in an area to be an expert in that field...I think it's worthy enough title for even a non-MD to be called Dr....Not to mention, at medical school, your classes are taught by PhD's!....The idea that an MD is more important than a PhD is just ludicrous
 
1. The whole discussion on the thread seems to be about who has the "right" to be called doctor. The appropriate answer is anyone who's earned a doctorate. Any concern beyond that seems a bit... sad...

2. Folks who earn Ph.D.'s usually have to work for it a lot more years than folks who earn MDs. Keep it in mind next time you think it's an inferior degree.

No you don't. 3 years undergrad, 4 years med school, board exams, residency, and fellowship for MD's. Actually, just to "earn" the MD is a bare minimum 7 years.

Do obtain a doctorate - most would require admission into a MSc, do one year, and then based on supervisors/committee's rec, you switch into a PhD program for about 4 more years. But for bare minimum, there are routes of direct entry into PhD streams - so again, 4 years undergrad, say 5 years grad - 9 years.

Okay, so they spend a bit more time earning the degree. But I must say - I still feel that PhD's doesn't lead to anything - some PhD's actually don't know anything about anything, because their work is usually so specific - they are specialists but only on very few topics. Whether someone is an intellectual or a "thinker" depends on the person, not on the fact that they have a PhD, not all PhD's go into academia, they just get their degree and see ya! off to industry to do "standard" text book research - some of my profs are mind-blowingly brilliant - some are just regular scientists who perform text book routines in the lab, write articles, and read articles, and nothing else too special and aren't actually too bright. Even within the humanities/social sciences, they also work within constraining conventions so don't think when reading a book on media literacy or culture wars that these ppl are brilliant, if i decided to major in anthropology and spent my whole life devoted to that stuff, i'd figure out the convetions and sound smart too.

Seriously, MD's make more money, and I think that med students work a bit harder and go through a bit more stress than those pursuing PhD's. With PhD's, you can go at your own pace (within limits)...so that being said, I will make my stance now and say that I think that the MD is a degree that's more difficult to obtain, leads to more financial gains, and therefore is not inferior to a PhD.
 
The OP should give lessons on prestige to some people on these threads.
 
Seriously, MD's make more money, and I think that med students work a bit harder and go through a bit more stress than those pursuing PhD's. With PhD's, you can go at your own pace (within limits)...so that being said, I will make my stance now and say that I think that the MD is a degree that's more difficult to obtain, leads to more financial gains, and therefore is not inferior to a PhD.

Not only that, it's a heck of a lot harder to get into M.D. programs than it is to get into Ph.D. programs.
 
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