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I apologize if I missed a previous post that this should be in, but I'm mobile and my search function is buggy. Anywho, talk to me about Dublin. I'm seriously interested in moving them to my #1 school choice, but I would very much like to know more from real people, rather than their own website and stats. WSU is my IS school, so it would be my other top, if that is relevant to your response. Thanks in advance!
 
Honestly, I was a little tipsy after a day of midterms (quarter system) when I wrote this -_- . More specifically what I was hoping to find out were things like how the interview was, and other application related things, and also how the job outlook is around there for someone without a degree (my husband). Other things would be related to how the program is set up from a current students POV. I could find a lot of that on their website etc, and I have read up on it a bit, but to hear real people's experiences is more helpful to me. I'll check out the other thread, thanks for the link. That didn't show up when I searched, like I said.
 
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MysteryCat said:
Honestly, I was a little tipsy after a day of midterms (quarter system) when I wrote this -_- . More specifically what I was hoping to find out were things like how the interview was, and other application related things, and also how the job outlook is around there for someone without a degree (my husband). Other things would be related to how the program is set up from a current students POV. I could find a lot of that on their website etc, and I have read up on it a bit, but to hear real people's experiences is more helpful to me. I'll check out the other thread, thanks for the link. That didn't show up when I searched, like I said.
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No worries 🙂 There is no interview for Dublin ... Just a second personal statement that includes why you want to go to school in Ireland. The application is pretty basic in terms if requirements, nothing extra or special.

The economy in Ireland is pretty crappy right now so your husband might have a hard time finding a job. Since we don't get visas to be here (they give us what's called "permission to remain"). He would be unable to stay in Ireland for more than 3 months at a time without a job. If he doesn't have a degree he might be able to get a job as like a bartender etc. but I don't know if he'd be able to get a visa on that kind of job ... He might have to pull some shady stuff like stay for 3 months, go home for a week, come back for 3 months etc etc

As for the course it's pretty similar in structure to most US vet schools the major difference being the way we are examined. We mostly just have written essay finals at the end if the semester as opposed to lots of MCQs all year long.

Let me know what else I can tell you!
 
Ireland still has the working holiday agreement with the U.S. though, correct? Your husband would likely want to apply around months before even coming to Ireland, but I don't think he needs to be flat-out hired to obtain a working holiday visa (unlike the U.S. work visa). Here is some information on it: http://www.dfa.ie/home/index.aspx?id=73713 and that's one good resource for his options into Ireland.

The issue with him coming in for 3 months and leaving for a week is typically you want to stay out of the country for double the time you came in. Otherwise, frequent trips are going to start looking suspicious to immigration and as though something is going on. I've never had issues with immigration, but they did want to know why I was spending two months with two boys (one was my boyfriend and one was his brother) and how I was planning on funding my trip, since it's a long stay. They'll hassle you more for 2+ month stays, so I don't know if he'd be able to get away with leaving for a week and then coming back for three more months. I was also under the impression that to stay for 90 days, you have to leave for 90 more days, as you can only stay something like 180 days in a country in a year, though I can't remember if this applies to Ireland or if this was in application to the U.S.

Since you're not a resident of Ireland or married to an Irish citizen (I'm assuming), you would not be able to bring your husband over on a marriage visa or "as your husband."

I'm afraid I can't answer any questions about the university or program itself.
 
mas185 said:
As for the course it's pretty similar in structure to most US vet schools the major difference being the way we are examined. We mostly just have written essay finals at the end if the semester as opposed to lots of MCQs all year long.
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That's something interesting I didn't know about UCDublin. Was this a pretty significant transition to get used to, or did you end up preferring it to frequent MCQ tests? Is it harder to stay on top of the material when you aren't being tested on it frequently?
 
pirateyoho said:
That's something interesting I didn't know about UCDublin. Was this a pretty significant transition to get used to, or did you end up preferring it to frequent MCQ tests? Is it harder to stay on top of the material when you aren't being tested on it frequently?
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Oh, that's interesting. I'd like to know how that affects you too. Also I've for some reason had a strangely hard time figuring out whether or not they require a BA/BS. I know only a few schools do, but I was under the impression that they were one of them. As far as the visa (or lack thereof) situation; do you know anyone who has successfully found a job and been able to live there while their spouse was in school? It wouldn't be AS huge of a deal if we didn't have a young son. Thanks for the info!
 
MysteryCat said:
Oh, that's interesting. I'd like to know how that affects you too. Also I've for some reason had a strangely hard time figuring out whether or not they require a BA/BS. I know only a few schools do, but I was under the impression that they were one of them. As far as the visa (or lack thereof) situation; do you know anyone who has successfully found a job and been able to live there while their spouse was in school? It wouldn't be AS huge of a deal if we didn't have a young son. Thanks for the info!
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I only know people who have successfully obtained a working holiday visa for 12 months. One place I would recommend to you is VisaJourney. You'll be able to find people who have immigrated, potentially people in your situation, and if nothing else, they know a lot about the visa process and can help you understand what government websites make difficult to read through.

Another issue is that the working holiday visa would not extend to your son. I'm not sure how you could get your son into the country (unless you've already figured it out). What I would recommend doing is either contacting the embassy in your state or contacting UCD and seeing what they would recommend for your situation. You might have already figured out the issue of your son, in which case, ignore this entire paragraph, but I would guess that they would at the very least be able to point you in the right direction as far as who to contact about these issues. 🙂
 
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I only know people who have successfully obtained a working holiday visa for 12 months. One place I would recommend to you is VisaJourney. You'll be able to find people who have immigrated, potentially people in your situation, and if nothing else, they know a lot about the visa process and can help you understand what government websites make difficult to read through.

Another issue is that the working holiday visa would not extend to your son. I'm not sure how you could get your son into the country (unless you've already figured it out). What I would recommend doing is either contacting the embassy in your state or contacting UCD and seeing what they would recommend for your situation. You might have already figured out the issue of your son, in which case, ignore this entire paragraph, but I would guess that they would at the very least be able to point you in the right direction as far as who to contact about these issues. 🙂
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Thank you! I'll check out visa journey and do more research as far as that goes. The good news is that because I don't have a BS yet, it'll be another 2 years before I can even apply. I have some time to sort everything out. Hopefully there will be a loophole somewhere and they can stay with me, otherwise it'd be a no go.
 
pirateyoho said:
That's something interesting I didn't know about UCDublin. Was this a pretty significant transition to get used to, or did you end up preferring it to frequent MCQ tests? Is it harder to stay on top of the material when you aren't being tested on it frequently?
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It didn't really bother me that much because I had taken similar exams in my Masters. I definitely prefer the way it is here, but it depends on the type of test taker you are. If you are not good about staying on top of the material through out the semester then it might be a problem for you, but pretty much everybody here is fine with that and it makes life so much less stressful for most of the semester (also allows for holiday weekends, parties etc. haha) 😀 They've started putting in a few midterms here and there, some of which are MCQ, so the entire 100% doesn't come down to your final exam(s). The hardest thing to get used to was the actual grading scheme a A is a 70% and hardly anyone ever gets above a C.

MysteryCat said:
Oh, that's interesting. I'd like to know how that affects you too. Also I've for some reason had a strangely hard time figuring out whether or not they require a BA/BS. I know only a few schools do, but I was under the impression that they were one of them. As far as the visa (or lack thereof) situation; do you know anyone who has successfully found a job and been able to live there while their spouse was in school? It wouldn't be AS huge of a deal if we didn't have a young son. Thanks for the info!
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It doesn't matter if you have a BA or a BS, as long as you've taken sufficient science courses. If you haven't then they just stick you in the 5-year program.

I have one friend who is taking the year off and working at a bar in town. Then there are at least 3 people with spouses that are here in the years below me, that are working, one does freelance computer something or other, one works for a different university about an hour away, and one found a proper job before coming over. It's definitely possible but not exactly easy. It would depend on what kind of job they were interested in and what field etc.
 
pirateyoho said:
Yes, they require a Bachelor's degree.
http://www.aavmc.org/data/files/vmcas/prerequisite_chart_2013.pdf
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oops read that wrong there! haha, actually for the 5 year program, I don't believe you have to have finished a bachelors ... I know there's a girl in my year that went to college in boston but didn't finish. But she's 4 years in at this point so they may have changed the rules ... I'll check with the office and get back to you. If a BA/BS is not required I think you just to need to have completed the prerequisite science courses at a college level (like AP or actual college etc.)
 
mas185 said:
oops read that wrong there! haha, actually for the 5 year program, I don't believe you have to have finished a bachelors ... I know there's a girl in my year that went to college in boston but didn't finish. But she's 4 years in at this point so they may have changed the rules ... I'll check with the office and get back to you. If a BA/BS is not required I think you just to need to have completed the prerequisite science courses at a college level (like AP or actual college etc.)
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Interesting. I'm not sure what would be better, but I think because I'm on track for a bio degree here, I might as well stick to that and hopefully I can get away with the 4 year program. Do let me know though, if you get a chance. That must have been where my confusion stemmed from. UCDublin has a strange website, and it doesn't give much info on their vet med programs. I will be requesting info from them though. I just haven't gotten to it yet!
 
MysteryCat said:
Interesting. I'm not sure what would be better, but I think because I'm on track for a bio degree here, I might as well stick to that and hopefully I can get away with the 4 year program. Do let me know though, if you get a chance. That must have been where my confusion stemmed from. UCDublin has a strange website, and it doesn't give much info on their vet med programs. I will be requesting info from them though. I just haven't gotten to it yet!
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Check out myucd.ucd.ie it has much more on classes etc etc
 
mas185 said:
The hardest thing to get used to was the actual grading scheme a A is a 70% and hardly anyone ever gets above a C.
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Would you mind elaborating on this a bit more? 🙂 I'm a bit confused; if hardly anyone gets above a "C" when an "A" is a 70%, does that mean most students fail their exams (by American grading standards)?
 
pirateyoho said:
Would you mind elaborating on this a bit more? 🙂 I'm a bit confused; if hardly anyone gets above a "C" when an "A" is a 70%, does that mean most students fail their exams (by American grading standards)?
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So the grading % scheme is quite different from what we are used to. The scale is a D- is 50-52.2%, D is 52.2-54.4%, D+ is 54.4-56.6%, C- is 56.6-58.8%, C is 58.8-61.1%, C+ is 61.1-63.3%, B- is 63.3-65.5%, B is 65.5-67.7%, B+ is 67.7-69.9%, A- is 69.9-72.2%, A is 72.2-74.4%, A+ is 74.4-100%. That being said, the GPA calculations are also much different: A D- is a 2.0, a D is a 2.2, A D+ is a 2.4, a C- is 2.6, a C is a 2.8, a C+ is a 3.0, a B- is a 3.2, a B is a 3.4, a B+ is a 3.6, A- is 3.8, an A is a 4.0 and an A+ is a 4.2.

No one really gets above a B all that often (not to say its not possible!), a C is considered a great grade and a D is average ... So yes by American standards a lot of the class fails (by getting less than a 60%) but the exams are designed so that majority of people don't get above a 60 so it just takes some getting used to!! But if you think of it in terms of GPA, it works out pretty similar. You have to maintain a 2.4 GPA each year to demonstrate adequate academic progress for your financial aid (for the american's at least who get federal funds). A 2.4 in the US would be like a C+, where as here its a D+.

The nice thing though is if you fail a class, you actually just re-sit the exam the next semester. And you basically can't get thrown out of the program, you just repeat the course if you fail the re-sit. (And there's no limit on the number of times you can retake a class). They don't care how long it takes you to finish your degree, they let you keep trying until you decide to stop. Not that I recommend failing or anything!! But sometimes its nice to know that you'll never be asked not to come back (for grade reasons anyway!).
 
mas185 said:
So the grading % scheme is quite different from what we are used to. The scale is a D- is 50-52.2%, D is 52.2-54.4%, D+ is 54.4-56.6%, C- is 56.6-58.8%, C is 58.8-61.1%, C+ is 61.1-63.3%, B- is 63.3-65.5%, B is 65.5-67.7%, B+ is 67.7-69.9%, A- is 69.9-72.2%, A is 72.2-74.4%, A+ is 74.4-100%. That being said, the GPA calculations are also much different: A D- is a 2.0, a D is a 2.2, A D+ is a 2.4, a C- is 2.6, a C is a 2.8, a C+ is a 3.0, a B- is a 3.2, a B is a 3.4, a B+ is a 3.6, A- is 3.8, an A is a 4.0 and an A+ is a 4.2.

No one really gets above a B all that often (not to say its not possible!), a C is considered a great grade and a D is average ... So yes by American standards a lot of the class fails (by getting less than a 60%) but the exams are designed so that majority of people don't get above a 60 so it just takes some getting used to!! But if you think of it in terms of GPA, it works out pretty similar. You have to maintain a 2.4 GPA each year to demonstrate adequate academic progress for your financial aid (for the american's at least who get federal funds). A 2.4 in the US would be like a C+, where as here its a D+.
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Thank you for the clarification! Makes much more sense now.

mas185 said:
The nice thing though is if you fail a class, you actually just re-sit the exam the next semester. And you basically can't get thrown out of the program, you just repeat the course if you fail the re-sit. (And there's no limit on the number of times you can retake a class). They don't care how long it takes you to finish your degree, they let you keep trying until you decide to stop. Not that I recommend failing or anything!! But sometimes its nice to know that you'll never be asked not to come back (for grade reasons anyway!).
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That's is reassuring, especially with how confusing the grading system seems (at least, to an American...😉 ) About how often do people fail and have to re-sit or repeat a course? Is a more frequent occurrence compared to American vet schools, or roughly the same?
 
Dublin is a growing program that has a lot of positives and negatives about it. I am in the unique position of having attended the first year of their grad entry program last year and having to leave for financial reasons, unfortunately. That being said, it is very expensive to live in Ireland right now and be warned, work visas for significant others are few and far between (my boyfriend was offered a job and is an experienced electrical engineer but the government denied him a visa a number of times). Just be prepared to have a LOT more debt than a US school as scholarships and grants are virtually non-existent to non-Irish students, unless you happen to be first in your class, in which case the school awards you 1000 euro for the following year.

Money aside, the people I met were wonderful. You would spend your first year in the grad entry program primarily with American and Canadian students, some Irish and European (the other grads), taking 30 credits of modularly organized classes (neurobiology and head structure, abdomen and pelvis, cardiovascular and respiratory systems, etc). I loved the modular organization. There is a strong focus on farm animal medicine with many visits in the second semester to the school's farm outside of Dublin to work mostly with cows and sheep, and some horses for a few things.

I will gladly answer any questions if you have them! Have to go write a scholarship essay at the moment but will be checking back.
 
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Oh, and the idea that "failing in Ireland is passing here" with an ! being 70% and above, it is VERY important to note that this is in place of any curves. THERE ARE NO CURVES in Dublin's grading system, so the grade you earn is the letter you get, it is just an adjusted scale.

The final essays take getting used to, and in my experience the professors seemed to like "word vomit answers" where you say everything you possibly can remotely related to the question in as much detail as possible, even adding small drawings/illustrations with your answers.

And listen to mas185. She is awesome and a great resource for underclassmen 🙂
 
Easnadh said:
And listen to mas185. She is awesome and a great resource for underclassmen 🙂
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:blush: aww thanks!!!

pirateyoho said:
That's is reassuring, especially with how confusing the grading system seems (at least, to an American...😉 ) About how often do people fail and have to re-sit or repeat a course? Is a more frequent occurrence compared to American vet schools, or roughly the same?
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About 10% of a given course (thats with the undergrads and grad-entry students), will have to re-sit a module exam. The majority of them pass it on the second go around (because of the way our exams are you might just have had a bad day or had bad luck with the questions on that particular exam etc.). In my year we've lost ~1 grad due to grade issues per year. And that seems pretty similar as you go down (1 out of 40). Most choose to repeat the year etc. So most are still with us in school, just in a different year (there's only 1 person I know of that chose not to come back). I'm not sure about the rate for American vet schools but I'm pretty sure if you do fail something you are not given the chance to make it up and students are not allowed to come back. That would make sense based on their exam systems, but I don't think it would go over too well here!!
 
Hey all you new (or current) UCD applicants and acceptances. I'm a final year vet student at UCD and have recently had a room open up in my 2br/2ba apartment close to UCD. It's a BEAUTIFUL apartment about a 30 minute walk to the vet college (12 minute bike ride): I do the ride every day. If you may be interested or know someone who may be please have them email me at [email protected]. Advice and any questions about the vet program/exam advice answered included in rental 😀 Rent is 600 euro a month and the lease would start August 1st and run until the end of June (so you wouldn't have to pay those pesky summer months).
 
For US applicants who recently applied to Dublin for c/o 2018 through VMCAS -- Did you submit your transcripts separately to the school, or through VMCAS?
 
sarah1029 said:
For US applicants who recently applied to Dublin for c/o 2018 through VMCAS -- Did you submit your transcripts separately to the school, or through VMCAS?
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I submitted my undergraduate (US school) transcripts through VMCAS, and then submitted my graduate school (RVC) transcript directly to them since VMCAS wouldn't verify the foreign transcript. I sent them an email at the beginning of October asking to verify if my application was complete, and they told me that it was and that they would begin reviewing applications at the beginning of November. I'm assuming that your transcripts were also successfully submitted through VMCAS, but you can always email them to confirm your application is complete just to have some peace of mind!
 
Cyndia said:
I submitted my undergraduate (US school) transcripts through VMCAS, and then submitted my graduate school (RVC) transcript directly to them since VMCAS wouldn't verify the foreign transcript. I sent them an email at the beginning of October asking to verify if my application was complete, and they told me that it was and that they would begin reviewing applications at the beginning of November. I'm assuming that your transcripts were also successfully submitted through VMCAS, but you can always email them to confirm your application is complete just to have some peace of mind!
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Thanks! I did email them and they said they use the transcripts with my vmcas application.
 
Anybody get any updates yet? Cannot wait to hear back..

Also I've also recently decided to move to Ireland in February (my UK visa expires then, and so I've applied for the irish working holiday authorisation) so pretty excited about that! Any current students have any recommendations on good places to look for cheap flats? Or areas they'd recommend living in? I don't particularly care where it's located, as long as it's easy enough to get around with bus transport, and it would be nice to be somewhat near city centre. But again, cheaper rent is always more important than location to me. 🙂
 
Cyndia said:
Anybody get any updates yet? Cannot wait to hear back..

Also I've also recently decided to move to Ireland in February (my UK visa expires then, and so I've applied for the irish working holiday authorisation) so pretty excited about that! Any current students have any recommendations on good places to look for cheap flats? Or areas they'd recommend living in? I don't particularly care where it's located, as long as it's easy enough to get around with bus transport, and it would be nice to be somewhat near city centre. But again, cheaper rent is always more important than location to me. 🙂
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I can respond to this more later tonight when I get home from campus.

Living in/near city centre is not ideal for attending school at UCD nor would it be cheap unless you lived on the north side which I would not recommend. That being said I am only 15 min bus ride to city centre which is quite convenient. The public transport is really great over here, so being near buses or the luas is more important then being very near city.

Also what do you consider cheap? Seeing as you live in London that might be different then what I consider cheap or might be comparable.... I know London is expensive and Dublin is not overly cheap either. Are you looking to find shared rentals or to live on your own? Living by yourself will cost considerably more. I can recommend some really nice areas but I need some more info.
 
Just a quick question, googled around a bit but couldn't find anything.. I know Edinburgh and RVC do this, but does UCD consider you for the five year course as well if you're rejected from the four year program? I applied to the four year and I'm getting a bit paranoid I've been rejected, so just curious.
 
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Cyndia said:
Just a quick question, googled around a bit but couldn't find anything.. I know Edinburgh and RVC do this, but does UCD consider you for the five year course as well if you're rejected from the four year program? I applied to the four year and I'm getting a bit paranoid I've been rejected, so just curious.
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Yes they consider you for both programmes. A girl who was accepted into my year (5 yr programme) had originally applied for the 4 yr degree, but since her undergrad degree was not science based she was put in the 5 yr programme.
 
IrinaMalina said:
Hi there - I applied to UCD as well and I know some people have received their acceptances via the university portal; I *think* I got this, but I may be wrong: is this the link for the portal?

https://sisweb.ucd.ie/usis/bwskalog.P_disploginNon

I keep checking it but it just says that my status is "n/a"...

Thanks in advance! xx
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I think so - it's the portal I've been checking anyways. Mine's still up as a n/a as well, frustrating, but certainly better than a rejection I suppose!
 
Cyndia said:
Sent in my deposit this morning! Looks like I'm officially UCD 2018 🙂 Anyone else commit to it yet?
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YAY!!!!!! I was up in the office this morning, they were so excited for the deadline today hahaha ... so we officially welcome you to UCD!
 
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Punz16 said:
Another future Dubliner here! Do we know if there are any Facebook groups out there yet?
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You should get an email with a link from the office but if not I can send it to you 🙂 congrats!!!
 
I am traveling to Dublin this next week to check out the vet school. Any suggestions on where to stay and what to do while I'm there? 🙂 Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
 
Molly512 said:
I am traveling to Dublin this next week to check out the vet school. Any suggestions on where to stay and what to do while I'm there? 🙂 Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
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There is a lot to see and do in Dublin..... you chose exam time so we are all kind of up to our knees in study right now at the moment.

When are you getting here?
 
devyn said:
There is a lot to see and do in Dublin..... you chose exam time so we are all kind of up to our knees in study right now at the moment.

When are you getting here?
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I get in Thursday morning and leave Sunday morning. I heard it was exam time and I would have come at a different time but I have to make my decision by May 19th. Any suggestions for a good hotel or airbnb (home-stay)?
 
Molly512 said:
I get in Thursday morning and leave Sunday morning. I heard it was exam time and I would have come at a different time but I have to make my decision by May 19th. Any suggestions for a good hotel or airbnb (home-stay)?
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Have you emailed in to the office letting them know you're around? I contacted Trish a few weeks ago when I was making my decisions and they arranged to have someone tour me around the vet school. Hope you end up deciding to attend by the way, you'll be one of my classmates. 🙂
 
Molly512 said:
I get in Thursday morning and leave Sunday morning. I heard it was exam time and I would have come at a different time but I have to make my decision by May 19th. Any suggestions for a good hotel or airbnb (home-stay)?
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PM me and let me know your budget I can give you ideas of places to stay.

Let me know what you like to do and I can give you ideas of where to go.
 
Cyndia said:
Have you emailed in to the office letting them know you're around? I contacted Trish a few weeks ago when I was making my decisions and they arranged to have someone tour me around the vet school. Hope you end up deciding to attend by the way, you'll be one of my classmates. 🙂
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I have e-mailed her and she told me to set up a tour with campus tours, but then they told me to contact the vet program office, so I'm kinda getting the runaround. Did you just e-mail Trish and she set up a tour of the facilities for you? Did you stay at place you liked when you were visiting?
 
Molly512 said:
I have e-mailed her and she told me to set up a tour with campus tours, but then they told me to contact the vet program office, so I'm kinda getting the runaround. Did you just e-mail Trish and she set up a tour of the facilities for you? Did you stay at place you liked when you were visiting?
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Hmm, so looking back I actually contacted John Buckley first and he set up a tour with one of the staff members. I'll pm you his email, contact him and he might be able to sort you out. And I'm actually already living in Dublin (just moved here about 3 months ago), I stayed with a friend until I found my current place so I wouldn't be any help in regards to b&b's and such. Devyn is a great resource so definitely ask her for help, she gave me great advice when I was looking for areas to rent a flat in.
 
Hi guys! Another future UCD-er here! So thrilled for us all! I requested to join the facebook group, but haven't been added yet... anybody else have to wait a while before they were added?
 
Hi all! So I'm not actually a pre-vet student...but my boyfriend is attending UCD and I had a question for anyone and everyone who can answer this or point me in a direction! I would really like to move out to Dublin and find a job (preferably in the Science field..but I'm not picky at this point), but I haven't really had much success. I was wondering if anyone had any advice(or even job websites or recruitment services)?? Or maybe a connection or an opportunity to network?? I am able to live and work in Ireland with my Irish Passport, so there is no need to get a work VISA or whatever. Feel free to shoot me an email or anything, I would very much appreciate any help I can get.
 
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