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Looking at medical specialties, and I have quite a competitive app so I'm keeping my doors open. I still want to do something I personally find fulfilling and enjoy, but as someone who just turned 32 and hasn't even gotten the chance to have a vacation yet or travel more than a state away I'm beginning to value personal leisure time as well as my hobbies (I do metalwork and other tinkering)

What specialties can you enter that could work 1 week on 2 weeks off and still clear 200k? By "could" I also mean reasonably find or create a job that fits this schedule.


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Ive really enjoyed Critical Care but I imagine people will laugh at me if I say CCM and leisure in the same sentence.

I also think I could enjoy a 1 week on, 1 week chill (clinic or education or research), 1 week off schedule.

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Lots of options.

If you’re super competitive, then derm has long been the king of lifestyle fields.

Radiology has some sweet setups too and traditionally offer extensive vacation time. Gas can also do really well both with hours and vacay time.

I’ve had friends do these fields and while they have a more traditional business hours schedule, they have 2-3mo of vacation time so you can easily carve out time for all the travel you want.

All of these pay very well too.

EM used to be better for this but seems like the future job market is questionable so maybe not worth the risk unless you really love it.

I’d be wary of CCM. High burnout rates. You may find your “on” weeks coming around more often than you’d like, and clinic may not be terribly relaxing either especially when you add all the admin stuff on top of it.

Another potential option in any field may be doing a locums kind of arrangement. I’ve often thought of this as my own fallback plan if I ever get burned out - work 3-4 months a year and make 200k and just travel and relax the rest of the time. Not exactly 1 on/2 off but may accomplish the same goal.
 
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im pretty sure psych could do this
 
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I'm not sure anything clinic or continuity based would work for this - not being available to your patients for acute visits, phone calls, medication refills, etc. 2/3 of the time is really challenging with regards to the ability to provide good care and depending on the way the clinic works may place a big burden on your partners. I'm also not sure clinic would be as chill as you'd hope. Honestly for me a busy clinic day is way less chill than a day rounding in the hospital and most of the specialists I rotated with in residency see patients like every 10 minutes or something ridiculous like that.

IM/peds hospitalist or intensivist, OBGYN as a laborist, potentially gen surg doing hospital work/trauma call only (we have one guy at my shop that does this, not sure if it's a common set up), rads, EM, urgent care, pathology would probably be your best bets.
 
Thanks for the input everyone!

I absolutely abhor dermatology, idk I just don't like the medicine so gonna scratch that. I've found gas and rads meh so far, though ill be doing an elective in both right before ERAS. Perhaps as Operaman said, a locum tenems job that just has me on for 3-month stints.

And you're right anything with clinic or continuity of care would be undoable, even if it wasn't an injustice.


Using the time between now and ERAS to knock the idea of crit care out of my brain.
 
Any kind of medicine that is shift work will do As long as you are willing to take the pay cut.

Also, just food for thought, the weeks on and off is nice, but not as nice when your kids are in school.
 
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IM hospitalist in my shop can work 1-wk on and 3-wk off and clear 165k/yr. I you want to clear ~200k/yr you might have to work a couple extra days.
 
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IM hospitalist in my shop can work 1-wk on and 3-wk off and clear 165k/yr. I you want to clear ~200k/yr you might have to work a couple extra days.
Man, that'd be one helluva bachelors/bachelorette's life.

Any kind of medicine that is shift work will do As long as you are willing to take the pay cut.

Also, just food for thought, the weeks on and off is nice, but not as nice when your kids are in school.
And true, idk where life will take me. Right now I have no desire to have kids though I suppose that could certainly change (and if it does would probably have to be soonish heh)
 
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You can definitely make >400k for 1 week on 2 weeks off for 2nd shift (i.e. 2pm-11pm) or overnight shifts in radiology. All from home.
 
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Looking at medical specialties, and I have quite a competitive app so I'm keeping my doors open. I still want to do something I personally find fulfilling and enjoy, but as someone who just turned 32 and hasn't even gotten the chance to have a vacation yet or travel more than a state away I'm beginning to value personal leisure time as well as my hobbies (I do metalwork and other tinkering)

What specialties can you enter that could work 1 week on 2 weeks off and still clear 200k? By "could" I also mean reasonably find or create a job that fits this schedule.


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Ive really enjoyed Critical Care but I imagine people will laugh at me if I say CCM and leisure in the same sentence.

I also think I could enjoy a 1 week on, 1 week chill (clinic or education or research), 1 week off schedule.
FM group with my hospital does exactly this. They staff a rural hospital. 1 week of hospitalist work, 1 week clinic, 1 week off. Rinse and repeat.

They easily break 200k.
 
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Any kind of medicine that is shift work will do As long as you are willing to take the pay cut.

Also, just food for thought, the weeks on and off is nice, but not as nice when your kids are in school.
Excellent point. Would also extend that to say it’s hard to find people to do things with during regular business hours. This gets harder and harder as you get older.

You either need to really enjoy all this time off by yourself, or have a partner and/or friends who don’t work or have similar free schedules with their own careers. It’s certainly possible, but I’ll say that the idea of all that free time seemed much more appealing in my 20s when so many friends were single and carefree. Back then I could have probably really enjoyed such an open schedule, travel the world, visit friends, etc. Now in my 40s everyone has families and jobs and other obligations such that there aren’t many people to play with anymore outside of weekends and holidays and planned vacations.

I’ll tell you what I’ve done so far. I’ve taken a job in a great location with tons of fun things to do. I’m constantly tweaking my schedule such that I have many days where I’m leaving the office with all work done by 2-3 in the afternoon. And I have a comfortable amount of vacation time to travel. This way I feel like I have lots of good free time during the work week to enjoy things locally, meet friends for happy hours, etc. Nearly all weekends are off so those are always fun times and other people tend to be free as well. And I try and take a nice long 10+ day vacation every 3-4 months. In my field this allows me a high 6 fig income while preserving enough quality free time that I can enjoy the fruits of my labor.
 
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FM group with my hospital does exactly this. They staff a rural hospital. 1 week of hospitalist work, 1 week clinic, 1 week off. Rinse and repeat.

They easily break 200k.
That is not a good deal... That's working 3wks every 4-wk.
 
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I do 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off doing ER psych as an per diem attending. I use the other 2 weeks to go on international vacations. In 2022, I was overseas every month. I'm in my early 30s. I also could do 1 week on, 2 weeks off because our hospital ER schedule has so many holes that need to be filled. Psych has very good flexibility.
 
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Looking at medical specialties, and I have quite a competitive app so I'm keeping my doors open. I still want to do something I personally find fulfilling and enjoy, but as someone who just turned 32 and hasn't even gotten the chance to have a vacation yet or travel more than a state away I'm beginning to value personal leisure time as well as my hobbies (I do metalwork and other tinkering)

What specialties can you enter that could work 1 week on 2 weeks off and still clear 200k? By "could" I also mean reasonably find or create a job that fits this schedule.


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Ive really enjoyed Critical Care but I imagine people will laugh at me if I say CCM and leisure in the same sentence.

I also think I could enjoy a 1 week on, 1 week chill (clinic or education or research), 1 week off schedule.
Even though I’ll get killed for this, I’ll say it anyways: 200k isn’t that much money any more.

If you max out your retirement accounts and pay taxes that’s less 100k take home. If you plan to be off 2/3 of the year for anything fun that costs money, you’ll run out very fast. I suppose if you wanna be off for 2/3’s of the year to drive around in an RV and hunt for food and be very frugal, you can swing it. If you wanna travel by plane or stay any nice hotel, eat from any restaurant that doesn’t have a dollar menu, that 200k will run out quickly. So quickly you’ll slowly transition the ratio to at least 2 on/ 1 off.
 
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Even though I’ll get killed for this, I’ll say it anyways: 200k isn’t that much money any more.

If you max out your retirement accounts and pay taxes that’s less 100k take home. If you plan to be off 2/3 of the year for anything fun that costs money, you’ll run out very fast. I suppose if you wanna be off for 2/3’s of the year to drive around in an RV and hunt for food and be very frugal, you can swing it. If you wanna travel by plane or stay any nice hotel, eat from any restaurant that doesn’t have a dollar menu, that 200k will run out quickly. So quickly you’ll slowly transition the ratio to at least 2 on/ 1 off.
How much $$$ is good money?

I happen to agree with you if someone has student debt (200k+) and live in medium-to-high COL area. If not, it can be good money if you live in a low COL area and not live lavishly. For instance, my primary residence is ~2000 sqft(4BR/2BA, 2-car garage) new construction cost <300k.
 
What specialties can you enter that could work 1 week on 2 weeks off and still clear 200k? By "could" I also mean reasonably find or create a job that fits this schedule..

Hospitalist, nocturnist, intensivist, anesthesiology, emergency, consultation psychiatry, diagnostic radiology (note the inpatient nature of most of these) may be among your best bets for intermittent clinical work that pays OK. (“Laborist” is a much newer concept than my training, but it sounds about right.)

I do locum tenens psychiatry. With a bit of persistence I can make around $24k/wk (for 7-on/7-off, 12-hour shifts with copious call). $230-250/hr is not terribly hard to find, but there’s a huge income difference between 8 hr/day M-F and 7 days of 12-hour shifts. I mostly live at my house in the tropics in México and fly to assignments in the US.

No, you can’t just work your ass off doing that 52 wk/yr and make $1.2 million/yr for numerous reasons, including your ability to survive the schedule, but half that is eminently doable.

To make this rate, several assumptions are usually safe (basing this also on having hired a bunch of locums over the years):

- The contract will be for a limited time, since hiring an employee will be lots cheaper. The more lucrative, the shorter the contract. Thus, you’ll always have to be planning ahead for the next gig.

- They’ll work you like a rented mule to get their money’s worth. Employees knock off early, you stay late.

- This sort of rate might be available for a 14/14 schedule, but if they have enough people to staff 1/3 they probably don’t have to pay a super-high rate. I’ve done 14/14 but I’m usually plenty crispy at the end of a single week.

- You’re likely to be the one working holidays and typical vacation times.

- Somehow it always seems that these contracts are far from home no matter where you live, so you’ll be living in mid-market hotels. You’ll also usually spend at least a half-day traveling each way (14/14 reduces this and is cheaper for the employer as well).

- This would be a tough schedule if you have kids in school, a partner with a job, or a partner who doesn’t want to share a little hotel room all the time.

- The more isolated and boring a location, the more they have to pay, so there may not be a lot to do outside of work.

- For a single person, this can be an excellent way to ensure you stay that way.

On the plus side, you’re not paying for those flights or hotels and you might be able eat free/cheap (usually unhealthful) meals at work. Copious frequent flier miles = free status upgrades (I haven’t flown in the main cabin in years) and award flights.

I know people who only work one week per month or 3 months per year, but they accept a significant amount of uncertainty about their work schedule.

Take some free advice from someone who’s been paid a lot to work with many miserable, burnt-out, or impaired doctors: do not choose a specialty based on how you think it’ll pay! For one thing, this changes constantly. Sure, if you truly enjoy rotations (including the schedule) in 2 things equally, then why not let money be a factor? However, not everyone gets to be an astronaut, and not every student is a competitive applicant for every specialty. The kind of “lifestyle specialties” that often seem to offer great flexibility tend to attract people who are so competitive it might be hard to fit into a group if you’re not. They may also involve patient populations who need a lot of follow-up.
 
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How much $$$ is good money?

I happen to agree with you if someone has student debt (200k+) and live in medium-to-high COL area. If not, it can be good money if you live in a low COL area and not live lavishly. For instance, my primary residence is ~2000 sqft(4BR/2BA, 2-car garage) new construction cost <300k.
2 million a year is good money. lol. I don’t know where the cutoff is. A lot of this depends on what someone wants to do for fun and what they wanna spend money on.

I’m in an average Midwest city and the new houses being built 2500 sq ft are costing people 700k and up. Not sure if your 2000 sq foot new construction house is from this year or two years ago before prices went crazy!

But yes, student loans, kids, high COL area (which now includes much more than the usual large cities, unfortunately), wanting anything nice (house/car/vacation) get to outside your budget.

For physicians, even hospitalists and family medicine docs often find ways to make 300-400/year in our area, so most doctors are doing ok still.
 
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2 million a year is good money. lol. I don’t know where the cutoff is. A lot of this depends on what someone wants to do for fun and what they wanna spend money on.

I’m in an average Midwest city and the new houses being built 2500 sq ft are costing people 700k and up. Not sure if your 2000 sq foot new construction house is from this year or two years ago before prices went crazy!

But yes, student loans, kids, high COL area (which now includes much more than the usual large cities, unfortunately), wanting anything nice (house/car/vacation) get to outside your budget.

For physicians, even hospitalists and family medicine docs often find ways to make 300-400/year in our area, so most doctors are doing ok still.
It's from this year in a small city (or town) in the southeast.
 
Does Derm really allow 1 week on 1 week off? I thought it was a high continuity of care speciality.
 
2 million a year is good money. lol. I don’t know where the cutoff is. A lot of this depends on what someone wants to do for fun and what they wanna spend money on.

I’m in an average Midwest city and the new houses being built 2500 sq ft are costing people 700k and up. Not sure if your 2000 sq foot new construction house is from this year or two years ago before prices went crazy!

But yes, student loans, kids, high COL area (which now includes much more than the usual large cities, unfortunately), wanting anything nice (house/car/vacation) get to outside your budget.

For physicians, even hospitalists and family medicine docs often find ways to make 300-400/year in our area, so most doctors are doing ok still.
So very true. I grew up very middle middle class and $200k was a lot more than we ever had and always seemed like it would be more than enough. Now that would be a massive pay cut and would ding my lifestyle considerably in my rather high col area.

The retirement savings burden and the marginal tax rate hit the hardest, followed closely by student loans. It’s amazing how fast a high salary can disappear. I don’t know where the “good money” cutoff is either, but probably not $200k for me anymore unless I move and make some big cuts.
 
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