19P on MCAT? Has anyone gotten into a DO school with that?

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serenade said:
It's a 27, not a 24-25. But the point is true, if you don't do well on standardized exams and performance on the Mcat is statistically correlated with USMLE and likely comlex performance. So if you truly can't break a 24 on your third try after doing the 90 day method then you need to consider alternative careers.
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WTF? So that means that anyone with a 25 or less shouldn't even apply DO because they're basically doomed to fail the board exams? Where is this information from?
 
This thread looks like it's full of troll-fun. I'm sad I missed it.
 
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I how how people make up their own statistics and give people the wrong information. It is true that a 19 on the MCAT is low, but yes people have gotten in with your statistics. According to AAMC, 10.5% of people who applied who fell in the category of [18-20 MCAT/3.6-3.79 GPA] got accepted to US MD School between 2009-2011. I can't comment on what the percentage is for DO schools. Although most people would probably assume it would be higher, we can't necessarily assume so because I would bet there are more people who are intimidated to apply to US MD schools than DO schools with those stats, so it might be lower. My friend's cousin is currently in his second year in an MD school in West Virginia and he got a 20 on the MCAT. Med. schools look for future doctors, and they are aware that there are individuals with horrible stats but will make great doctors and vice versa. In fact, according to the same statistics from AAMC, there are 8.5% of applicants within the category of [39-45 MCAT/3.8-4.0 GPA] who were not accepted to a US MD school in 2009-2011. Now, there was probably many wrong things with these applicants such as having a criminal record or maybe being too cocky that they didn't apply to many schools or something like that, but it goes to show that stats are certainly not everything.
 
Lowest i saw last cycle get in was 22 mcat. They had a 3.74 sgpa and were accepted to 4 schools.
 
user3 said:
Lowest i saw last cycle get in was 22 mcat. They had a 3.74 sgpa and were accepted to 4 schools.
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My friend got into a few DOs. Applied early I believe in 2005 with a 3.6/24. Got into their first choice. She recommended me to start studying for the MCAT as early as possible. A 30+ apparently really helps when applying to DO schools. It can also cover up GPA deficiencies. For example, I know of a 2.9/35 who matriculated at a top tier DO.

Currently, I am not too far from being around the averages for the matriculation of my race into DO schools. I plan on applying in June 2015.
 
dreams too, what do you consider top tier DO's? DMU, CCOM. AZCOM, KCUMB?
 
jockdoc97 said:
dreams too, what do you consider top tier DO's? DMU, CCOM. AZCOM, KCUMB?
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There's no such thing at all. Don't let someone tell you otherwise.

No DO school has a prestige factor above any other school, especially not in the larger medical and scientific community. If you're applying ACGME for residency, a DO is a DO and your school matters zero. It's not like MD schools in any way, shape, or form. For competitive AOA residencies, it's board scores + your away rotations, not your school name in any way.

One way to judge schools is by quality of rotations. Is the school new with really small associated hospitals that require travel or does the school have a solid core rotation set up? How expensive is the school? Those are some things that matter. Outside of that, the DO world is highly, highly individual.

This gets asked repeatedly on these forums so we should just dispel it now. No one cares if you went to DMU outside of DOs that went to DMU. Go ask an academic attending with 2 fellowships at a high ranked program if you'd be more competitive in the future for residency, a job, or fellowship if you choose AZCOM vs PCOM. He'll have no idea what you're talking about.
 
someone on here got into PNWU with 2.9/27
 
DrEnderW said:
There's no such thing at all. Don't let someone tell you otherwise.

No DO school has a prestige factor above any other school, especially not in the larger medical and scientific community. If you're applying ACGME for residency, a DO is a DO and your school matters zero. It's not like MD schools in any way, shape, or form. For competitive AOA residencies, it's board scores + your away rotations, not your school name in any way.

One way to judge schools is by quality of rotations. Is the school new with really small associated hospitals that require travel or does the school have a solid core rotation set up? How expensive is the school? Those are some things that matter. Outside of that, the DO world is highly, highly individual.

This gets asked repeatedly on these forums so we should just dispel it now. No one cares if you went to DMU outside of DOs that went to DMU. Go ask an academic attending with 2 fellowships at a high ranked program if you'd be more competitive in the future for residency, a job, or fellowship if you choose AZCOM vs PCOM. He'll have no idea what you're talking about.
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Lol, nice. I agree
 
This thread was an interesting read. I'm very curious to know what the OP is currently doing. Was she was able to get into med school, did she decide to go PA, or maybe she chose another career altogether? I hope she sees this thread and provides an update.
 
DrEnderW said:
There's no such thing at all. Don't let someone tell you otherwise.

No DO school has a prestige factor above any other school, especially not in the larger medical and scientific community. If you're applying ACGME for residency, a DO is a DO and your school matters zero. It's not like MD schools in any way, shape, or form. For competitive AOA residencies, it's board scores + your away rotations, not your school name in any way.

One way to judge schools is by quality of rotations. Is the school new with really small associated hospitals that require travel or does the school have a solid core rotation set up? How expensive is the school? Those are some things that matter. Outside of that, the DO world is highly, highly individual.

This gets asked repeatedly on these forums so we should just dispel it now. No one cares if you went to DMU outside of DOs that went to DMU. Go ask an academic attending with 2 fellowships at a high ranked program if you'd be more competitive in the future for residency, a job, or fellowship if you choose AZCOM vs PCOM. He'll have no idea what you're talking about.
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👍 Absolutely true. This whole "top tier DO school" idea just doesn't exist.
 
People get into schools with low stats every year. I disagree about there being no "top schools" though. I spoke with MANY people regarding applying to school and they all told me the same thing: Go somewhere established with a good record. Although very regionally based, people from the midwest have a LOT of respect for DMU grads. I was told by a residency director if two applicants came in from two different DO schools with the same statistics and both good personalities, they would choose the one from their version of "top tier". Residency directors aren't stupid. They know what schools are around and the reputation they have or their students have. One of the doctors I shadowed told me that his residency program stopped interviewing applicants from a particular school because they had too many that were untrained and unqualified.

Congrats, Touchpause!
 
jockdoc97 said:
People get into schools with low stats every year. I disagree about there being no "top schools" though. I spoke with MANY people regarding applying to school and they all told me the same thing: Go somewhere established with a good record. Although very regionally based, people from the midwest have a LOT of respect for DMU grads. I was told by a residency director if two applicants came in from two different DO schools with the same statistics and both good personalities, they would choose the one from their version of "top tier". Residency directors aren't stupid. They know what schools are around and the reputation they have or their students have. One of the doctors I shadowed told me that his residency program stopped interviewing applicants from a particular school because they had too many that were untrained and unqualified.

Congrats, Touchpause!
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Agreed, I know CCOM is very well respected in the Midwest area. I would say PCOM, UMNDNJ, NYCOM are pretty well versed and recognized in the northeast. UMNDNJ and NYCOM boast pretty high averages 3.6/28. PCOM boasts about a 3.45/27.

I would chose one of the programs I listed above over a new school if I had the option to.
 
You guys think there is a chance if someone goes from a 19 to a 24/25/26?
 
hmania said:
19P on my Mcat, 3.75gpa with 3.7sgpa. I have taken the Mcat two times already and will try for a third. I admit that I am have the worst test taking skills ever, but will go ahead and apply this for this coming year. I just wanted to know if anyone has ever gotten into a DO school. I know there are a few out there, but what was the "sparkle" that the admissions board saw in you. Please share to give me hope.😳
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I don't understand how someone with a solid gpa can score that low on the MCAT. I'd have to be drunk to score that low on the test. They either did not study those two times, did not study adequately, or went to a state school filled with incompetents that allowed them those grades.
 
DrEnderW said:
There's no such thing at all. Don't let someone tell you otherwise.

No DO school has a prestige factor above any other school, especially not in the larger medical and scientific community. If you're applying ACGME for residency, a DO is a DO and your school matters zero. It's not like MD schools in any way, shape, or form. For competitive AOA residencies, it's board scores + your away rotations, not your school name in any way.

One way to judge schools is by quality of rotations. Is the school new with really small associated hospitals that require travel or does the school have a solid core rotation set up? How expensive is the school? Those are some things that matter. Outside of that, the DO world is highly, highly individual.

This gets asked repeatedly on these forums so we should just dispel it now. No one cares if you went to DMU outside of DOs that went to DMU. Go ask an academic attending with 2 fellowships at a high ranked program if you'd be more competitive in the future for residency, a job, or fellowship if you choose AZCOM vs PCOM. He'll have no idea what you're talking about.
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I definitely agree with this post.

When it comes to DO nationally (not everyone wants to live in the midwest for every milestone of their life) DO=DO to most ACGME residencies. My opinion is to choose a school based on location/connections to your area of desired residency/costs.
 
shinbeats said:
Whatever Princeton or Kaplan but he needs a prep course and needs to calm down for a retake.
Op changing careers over not succeeding in a standardized exam is not the way to go especially with such a high GPA . You will face standardized exams in every profession. You need s prep course to help you address your issues.
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I agree the inane mcat should not stop you from becoming a doctor
 
hmania said:
19P on my Mcat, 3.75gpa with 3.7sgpa. I have taken the Mcat two times already and will try for a third. I admit that I am have the worst test taking skills ever, but will go ahead and apply this for this coming year. I just wanted to know if anyone has ever gotten into a DO school. I know there are a few out there, but what was the "sparkle" that the admissions board saw in you. Please share to give me hope.😳
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZHwGnGrm_k
 
I'd be curious to know what happened to the OP after all this time...
 
torshi said:
What did you score the first time
are you URM?
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I have a 3.9 overall gpa from my Masters of Science. I have a 3.4 overall science gpa and a 489 (124 on CARS) on the new MCAT. URM. Attended very highly ranked schools. Six years of research experience. 2 years clinical experience. Lots of volunteering. Do I have a chance?
 
GIpremed said:
Ha
Yes, it happens every year (I couldn't help it) And I seem to remember there was quite a commotion recently on a thread where someone pointed out a matriculant who was linked to a 14 on it. Lots of speculation on the ECs, gpas and a possible higher retake score of that person. Your gpas look great to me! Not sure of the other details but I wish I could have those gpas for my app season...
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torshi said: ↑
What did you score the first time
are you URM?
I have a 3.9 overall gpa from my Masters of Science. I have a 3.4 overall science gpa and a 489 (124 on CARS) on the new MCAT and 19 on the old. URM. Attended very highly ranked schools. Six years of research experience. 2 years clinical experience. Lots of volunteering. Do I have a chance?
 
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