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What schools should I apply to?

2.9 c GPA
2.7 s GPA
30 mcat
SOCIAL SCIENCE MAJOR, biology and chem minors
Volunteer experience
Great LORS
Started my own non profit

Thanks everyone 🙂
 
Many schools have a 3.0 minimum requirement, so all MD schools are out of the question now. I would say the best thing you can do is a post bacc to get your GPA above 3.0. Once that is done, shoot mostly for DO schools and low tier MD schools.
 
how about a local post-bac institution.
 
im going to aware you on the MSAR.

it was a nifty resource that many use to answer your very same question. check it out! and good luck bra👍😍
 
While being a social science major helps set you apart (I was a psych major), you must also be able to do well in your major as well as your science courses. B/c your GPA is low I would recommend you only apply to D.O. schools.

Out of curiousty, was there any special circumstances as to why your GPA was < 3.0? Your MCAT proves that you understand the sciences, so I was just wondering.
 
Thanks!

Yeah, I guess you could say I have extenuating circumstances. I am 21, and my dad is 82. I have been helping my mom take care of him since he started getting very sick 4 years ago( right when I started college). I messed up my GPA in my freshman and sophomore years but since then have had atleast a 3.0 every semester, with a 4.0 in there too. It still hasn't been enough to get me over 2.9 though, I have like 7 C's on my transcript. :/
 
Realistically, your chances of getting into any med school are close to zero as of right now.

Look - you're from California (most competitive state), you go to a mediocre institution (a CSU), and you have a poor GPA. I don't think any extenuating circumstances could really help you.
 
Even DO schools have averages around a 3.3-3.4. The best thing you could do is enter a post bac program, and do well. Or, you can retake those C's if you have time. DO schools will replace your new grade, significantly raising your GPA
 
If you decide to continue working for medical school, make sure you have a back-up plan ready to go. Your chances, to be honest, sound somewhat slim right now. Doesn't mean you won't get there, but you don't want to be chasing med school while not having anything to fall back on.
 
Thanks!

Yeah, I guess you could say I have extenuating circumstances. I am 21, and my dad is 82. I have been helping my mom take care of him since he started getting very sick 4 years ago( right when I started college). I messed up my GPA in my freshman and sophomore years but since then have had atleast a 3.0 every semester, with a 4.0 in there too. It still hasn't been enough to get me over 2.9 though, I have like 7 C's on my transcript. :/

I see. Well that would definitely be something to note on your application. I'd say if you want to shoot for MD, like someone else mentioned, do a postbac program and get a GPA of a 4.0 (or close to it). Also I'd retake the MCAT and shoot for a 35+ score.

Good luck and I hope that it all works out for you. 👍
 
Realistically, your chances of getting into any med school are close to zero as of right now.

Look - you're from California (most competitive state), you go to a mediocre institution (a CSU), and you have a poor GPA. I don't think any extenuating circumstances could really help you.

How can you talk about mediocre institutions, you go to Berkeley.
 
What schools should I apply to?

2.9 c GPA
2.7 s GPA
30 mcat
SOCIAL SCIENCE MAJOR, biology and chem minors
Volunteer experience
Great LORS
Started my own non profit

Thanks everyone 🙂

Go to a state school, do an informal post-bac as a non-degree seeking student, and bring that GPA up to a 3.2 and consider DO. A 2.X GPA for a 4 year degree might be just too much to repair for MD.
 
runner girl i would LOVE to see you get into med (medical) school. i think you should take some time to do a post back and get a better gpa. if youre going to do something, do it right. i think u have some more work to do.

preash. wanna see how many schools u can get into. keep us posted.
 
What schools should I apply to?

2.9 c GPA
2.7 s GPA
30 mcat
SOCIAL SCIENCE MAJOR, biology and chem minors
Volunteer experience
Great LORS
Started my own non profit

Thanks everyone 🙂

First, get the idea of applying this year out of your head. Your stats are too low and you'd be throwing your money away. That being said, you can get into medical school eventaully, if you want to.

Anyway, I've been where you are are this is what I'd do. This advice is going to look like a book, though, please read it through.

Motivation:

1) This IS a fixable GPA, if you have the dedication and talent to turn this around. This is coming from someone who graduated in a similar situation (2.8 cum and BCPM with about 200 credits).

2) Whether it's cost and time effective depends on your opportunity cost (your lifestyle if you started working now), how quickly you can turn this around, and how you value the reward (becoming a doctor). Again, you're not getting in this year. This will probably be at least a 2 year, full time process.

Now as to HOW you turn this around?

the basics (will take about a year):

1) You need to figure out why you got the 2.9 in the first place. Without this, nothing else matters. Are you ADHD and need meds? Did you have a crisis that tanked your grades? Were you lazy in a fixable way? Do you have a problem with substance use? Was it really just taking care of your Dad, and if so is there a reason you no longer need to take care of him? Of course if the problem is that you're just a very type B personality, or that memorzing and regurgitating facts isn't your particular talent, this might be where your journey ends.

2) Once you've figured out what went wrong, you need to go get a GPA of 3.0, and ideally a 3.2 (both BCPM and cumulative). It's very difficult to get around this. So you need to sign up to take more college classes. You can go back to your old college and beg for a second major, or you can start taking community college classes. They key here is that QUALITY DOESN'T MATTER, all you need right now is numbers. Take easy classes with stupid people.

3) You may want a new MCAT score. The MCAT score is what is going to determine how long it's going to take you to turn this around. if it's really high (33+) you could theoreticcally get in within a year. Also note that med schools do see ALL your MCAT scores and a bad score digs you a deeper hole, so don't take the test if until you get the score you want on a practice test (ideally on two). If you go from a 30 to a 26 you really shoot yourself in the foot.

Alright so you've got the basics, where do you go from here?

High MCAT score (>33):
Congrats, you might get into medical school only 2 years after graduting (the national average). You now need to apply to a program called a 'special masters program'. These are programs, hosted by a handful of medical schools, which allow you to take medical school classes and to be graded against medical school students. They are expensive and stressful, but students who do well in well known SMPs have almost a 100% success rate getting into medical school. SDN explains these programs further in the postbac forum. Like medical school, SMPs turn away a lot of applicants, so you need a high MCAT and the 3.0 to get in, and you need to apply broadly to get into one program. Be aware that a program is only as good as its reputation/linkage, and some SMPs are really just money generating scams, so do your research before you apply. It MIGHT be worth it to apply to SMPs this summer, if you can use the summer semester to get your cGPA over a 3.0. The application fees are low, and if you do really well in an SMP after getting a 3.0 I think you might get in during the following application cycle with no further work. If you get rejected from all the good SMPs it's not too much money lost.

Average (27-33) MCAT: This is doable, but you need a higher GPA. A 3.3 (at the minimum), followed by a broad application focused on DO schools and maybe a few low end allopathic schools. It's important to note that DO schools only look at your most recent grade from a class (grade replacement) so retake and Fs, Ds, or Cs you've gotten and watch your GPA rise twice as fast. Shadow a couple of of DOs, ideally at least one who practices OMM, and show a lot of interest in their philosophy.

Low <27 MCAT: Sorry you bombed the retake. Retake the MCAT again or quit.


Things NOT to do:

Do NOT go to the Caribbean: The Caribbean has, over the past decade, progressed from being a legitimate last resort to being a scam. The issue is that Caribbean schools don't participate in the match, so their students get to fight for whatever is left over after all the US medical students matched. In the past that was actually a lot of residency spots, but medical schools (especially DO schools) have expanded a LOT recently and now there aren't nearly as many spots to fight over. So the Caribbean schools are taking huge amounts of money from gullible students who probably couldn't even pass the boards, and then only tell them part way through that they need to KILL the USMLE and outperform medical students on their rotations to match into anything at all. Everyone else gets failed out, or doesn't match, and is left with no career and 200K+ of nondischargable debt.

Do NOT enroll in any kind of traditional masters, JD, MPH, or PhD program: Unless you've given up on medical school, that is. The experience of posters on this board, backed up by our ADCOM members, is that any post-graduate program other than an SMP is 100% useless for redeeming a GPA as low as yours. A masters might be a good start to your new career, but it won't help at all with medicine.

For futher advice I would recommend reading through SDN's low GPA thread in the postbac forum. It's full of generations of SDN's premedical f- ups (like me) discussing their strategies to beat the odds.

Good luck
 
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Also OP, there are other health related professions that are very respectable and earn a very nice salary. You can go that route, if you don't want to go through the long process of improving your GPA for medical school.

You can become a RN, a PA, or even a dentist, if you would like. But if your heart is set on becoming a doctor, then don't give up because you can do it 🙂
 
who are all these meanies?

perrotfish, do you have some generic low-GPA template response that you alter for specific individuals? :meanie:
 
Somebody tell Mr.Premed to get his umbrella, Katrina NOT its just a one fella who was a double major...and got a high mcat...and possibly had to go to the carib to get his work done..
 
First, get the idea of applying this year out of your head. Your stats are too low and you'd be throwing your money away. That being said, you can get into medical school eventaully, if you want to.

yuh. so have u decided runnergirl what u r going to do?
 
Thanks to everyone who responded. Especially to some of you with really sweet hopeful responses. You will all make great doctors, bc along with intelligent, Doctor's should be empathetic 🙂 Anyway, I think I will still apply to a few schools, get in touch with Medical Minority officers at those schools and see what happens. I will of course keep taking classes at my CSU to bring up my GPA. I will also apply to post bac programs that offer linkage programs, DO, and maybe, maybe some accredited international programs.

Thanks everyone 🙂
 
Thanks to everyone who responded. Especially to some of you with really sweet hopeful responses. You will all make great doctors, bc along with intelligent, Doctor's should be empathetic 🙂 Anyway, I think I will still apply to a few schools, get in touch with Medical Minority officers at those schools and see what happens. I will of course keep taking classes at my CSU to bring up my GPA. I will also apply to post bac programs that offer linkage programs, DO, and maybe, maybe some accredited international programs.

Thanks everyone 🙂
Calculate what the 7c's retaken would get your GPA. If that's over a 3.3, you will be golden for D.O.

And I'm glad you're not listening to the nay sayers. I hope I didn't come off that way. I was just giving realistic feedback of your chances applying with those specific numbers.
 
Runnergirl, don't give up. Stay positive and take constructive feedback to heart. Ignore those who tell you that you can't do it.
 
Runnergirl1, hopefully I didn't come off as sounding too negative. You can definitely compete for medical school once you get your grades up and take care of everything. Working to become a physician is quite difficult and long, and anyone who is willing to work hard to put themselves through med school and residency in order to help others deserves all of the credit in the world. My point was that I didn't want to see you place all of your hopes on medical school. Heck, everyone needs a back-up plan. Still, getting into med school isn't impossible for you. It may be difficult in the long run and may not seem to be worth it at times, but here is one quote that I have been motivated by: "Nothing that's worth having in this world comes easy."

Good luck in whatever happens.
 
A 30 on the MCat is FAR from an easy task. Some people would kill for that sort of score.

Your GPA is pretty bad but to say that there is no way for you to get into medical school is just wrong. Taking postbac classes and applying to DO schools sounds like the ticket.
 
The OP has a chance for med school, but can no longer make any mistakes. Even a mediocre (3.5 GPA) post-bac or SMP year will effectively end her run for allopathic schools. She needs a 3.8+ GPA from now on.
 
What schools should I apply to?

2.9 c GPA
2.7 s GPA
30 mcat
SOCIAL SCIENCE MAJOR, biology and chem minors
Volunteer experience
Great LORS
Started my own non profit

Thanks everyone 🙂
Do a postbac, preferably with a good linkage.

Fix whatever caused you to have a lousy GPA, work really hard, and then good luck.
 
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I am really curious to hear more about your non-profit. I have had an idea myself, but have no idea where to start.

For fear of getting to off topic, YOU CAN GET INTO MEDICAL SCHOOL! Have you graduated yet? If not, don't! At many schools you have to fill out paper work to graduate. Most schools will give you fin aid for 5 years. Take that year to work in your GPA. Maybe retake some of the C's. Get a pen and paper and do the math out, find out what combo of repeats and new classes will give you the best GPA.

Did you have any grades lower then a C during a particularly rough semester? There may be something you can do about that but it is very school and situation dependant. I failed a course two semesters ago after a VERY rough patch in my life including 3 deaths and personal illness and was able to do something about it. If it sounds like you I will give you more info in a PM 😀

Most importantly don't give up hope! :luck:
 
OP, I would definitely wait to apply until you've done something to boost your GPAs. Also, know that the DO application allows for grade replacement, so if you retake and ace the few science classes you got Cs in, your sGPA will be significantly improved. Unfortunately, the MD application doesn't offer the same grade replacement policy. Good luck!
 
It's going to be tough to get into one
 
runnergirl! slow down! dont apply yet! youll get there eventually but save yourself time and money and not apply yet.
 
Postpone your application, re-take classes for grade replacement (DO) and for the general purpose of raising GPA (MD and DO), do something you are passionate about in the meantime (volunteering, research, continuing the non-profit, whatever), and don't get negative. The 30 puts you in the top third nationwide, so that will not hinder you very much unless you have one section that's really low (will cause you to be automatically screened out). I would only consider a retake if you are sure you can get a 32+. GL! 🙂
 
No, but on a serious note, a lot of institutions have a minimum requirement of a 3.0 gpa and sgpa to be considered for admission.
 
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